Alex Smith

[Guest Mr.T]

Surely any qb who was there last year would have been terrible but Alex was amazingly bad. In fact, that was one of the worst seasons I've EVER seen.

 

Why is it too early to call him a bust?

[GiantsRule 0]

Surely any qb who was there last year would have been terrible but Alex was amazingly bad. In fact, that was one of the worst seasons I've EVER seen.

 

Why is it too early to call him a bust?

 

Because if you take away Eli Manning's Week 17 performance in 2004, his rookie year wasn't that much better than Smith's.

 

You can't be a bust after just one year...

 

Unless your name is JJ Arrington

[t.j 35]

I agree he was awful, his numbers were almost as bad as Ryan Leaf's rookie year.

A couple of reasons it's too early to call him a bust, though:

-Most quarterbacks make tremendous strides from year 1 to year 2.

-His attitude and intelligence are good, which automatically puts him in a different category than Leaf. Next to good coaching, a good work ethic is the most important thing a QB can have in terms of potential to improve.

-He's not even 21 yet, he should continue to develop physically.

-The Niners are out of salary cap hell and they should be able to put a team around him that actually resembles an NFL team now.

[football_scooter 0]

So let me get this straight...you've been back for all of 1/2 a day, and your 1st posts were to call me "stupid" for posting that I thought Bryant was a decent signing, and starting a "rip on the 49ers QB" topic to troll for responses, presumably mine.

 

You need to really get over this obsession you have with me. The new forum guidelines would be a great place for you to begin your journey.

[t.j 35]

So let me get this straight...you've been back for all of 1/2 a day, and your 1st posts were to call me "stupid" for posting that I thought Bryant was a decent signing, and starting a "rip on the 49ers QB" topic to troll for responses, presumably mine.

 

You need to really get over this obsession you have with me. The new forum guidelines would be a great place for you to begin your journey.

 

Mr. T's question is a legit one. Unless I misunderstood who you are talking to, maybe you should stop being paranoid, and look in the mirror before you accuse others of violating the forum guidelines...

[football_scooter 0]

Mr. T's question is a legit one. Unless I misunderstood who you are talking to, maybe you should stop being paranoid, and look in the mirror before you accuse others of violating the forum guidelines...

 

he didn't ask a question, he made a statement.

 

And it isn't my imagination that his 1st post back in the Niners sign Bryant topic was saying that "one thing he didn't miss were Scooter's stupid comments" - not exactly subject to interpretation.

 

This topic is troll bait for Niner fans. It isn't productive, it's obnoxious. There's no attempt at a civil discussion here, only a mildly veiled attempt to entice Niner fans into defending a rookie QB headed into his 2nd year by making an inflamatory statement.

 

As for the mirror, I have posted thoughtful on-topic football related posts. Thanks for caring though.

[Guest Mr.T]

So let me get this straight...you've been back for all of 1/2 a day, and your 1st posts were to call me "stupid" for posting that I thought Bryant was a decent signing, and starting a "rip on the 49ers QB" topic to troll for responses, presumably mine.

 

You need to really get over this obsession you have with me. The new forum guidelines would be a great place for you to begin your journey.

 

 

Hey there sweetie. Thanks for taking the time to respond. First, you may or may not be stupid. But your posts sure as Hell usually are. Though I have not seen any moronic postings from you since the return of this place, your reputation stands. I welcome you with open arms if you have changed your ways.

 

I am a Niners fan as well. Sadly, not everything I do is to grab your attention.

 

Alex Smith completed 50.9 percent of his passes. That is putrid. He threw ONE touchdown. One. Compared to 11 interceptions. His passer rating was 40.8. In short, he made Kyles Orton and Boller look all-pro. I'm certainly willing to give him another go but I saw nothing last year to make me think he's the future. Let us not forget last year was a terrible year to have first pick-were Smith going this year he would fall a whole helluva lot.

[t.j 35]

I am a Niners fan as well. Sadly, not everything I do is to grab your attention.

 

Prove it then. Respond to my post in which I answered your question as to why it's too early to call him a bust.

[Guest Mr.T]

he didn't ask a question, he made a statement.

 

And it isn't my imagination that his 1st post back in the Niners sign Bryant topic was saying that "one thing he didn't miss were Scooter's stupid comments" - not exactly subject to interpretation.

 

This topic is troll bait for Niner fans. It isn't productive, it's obnoxious. There's no attempt at a civil discussion here, only a mildly veiled attempt to entice Niner fans into defending a rookie QB headed into his 2nd year by making an inflamatory statement.

 

As for the mirror, I have posted thoughtful on-topic football related posts. Thanks for caring though.

 

 

Hey there! Let me intorduce you to something: ?

 

It is called a question mark. When it is placed at the end of a statement that means it is not a statement but rather a question. Example: Is Football Scooter a douche? That was asking a question, not making a statement. So when I wrote "Why is it too early to call him a bust?" you can clearly see the ? at the end.

 

As I said above, your Bryant post wasn't actually a bad one. My statement (those end with a .) was not directed at that post individually but you in general.

[Miller_Time_21 0]

Why is this not a legit topic???? The kid went all the way to week 17 without a TD pass. His number's were horribale and he looked lost and lacked composure......

 

However, I would not throw the towel in just yet. The 49ers did noting to surround him with the talent needed for him to succeed. They simply threw him out there and let him try to learn on the fly. I agree that they now have some money which will allow them to start the slow climb back to respectability and surround Smith with some talent. I just hope they do it before they completely crush this kids confidence. He had no reason tro be starting last year, he should have been watching and learning. However, if he dedicates himself, there is much he can learn from last year. In summary, it is still too early to say, but it is a legitimate question. I just wouldn't throw the towel in just yet.

[Guest Mr.T]

I agree he was awful, his numbers were almost as bad as Ryan Leaf's rookie year.

A couple of reasons it's too early to call him a bust, though:

-Most quarterbacks make tremendous strides from year 1 to year 2.

-His attitude and intelligence are good, which automatically puts him in a different category than Leaf. Next to good coaching, a good work ethic is the most important thing a QB can have in terms of potential to improve.

-He's not even 21 yet, he should continue to develop physically.

-The Niners are out of salary cap hell and they should be able to put a team around him that actually resembles an NFL team now.

 

1. True, most quarterbacks do make tremendous strides between seasons one and two. But they also usually show flashes between the start and end of their rookie season. He didn't show improvement to me but they did win the last two games of the year. I always defend Vick for putting up terrible stats but getting his team the win so I guess I should do the same with Alex. He looked bad, not terrible in his last two games but whether that was improvement or because he played Stl and Houston I don't know. I DO know kid Fitz from Saint Louis looked spectacular against the Texans.

 

2. A good attitude is always a plus as are smarts but wasn't Akili Smith a smart guy? Harrington seems to have good character. Marino didn't score well on his tests but he turned out alright. Smarts aren't a guarantee.

 

3. I agree. He likely will not get any worse.

 

4. The Niners haven't done much yet. There's a lot of guys out there that can/could help the team but the Niners thus far have stood pat. Losing Carter and Peterson? Ok, too much money, never healthy, disgruntled, etc. Yet they still have Barlow?

 

I'm giving Nolan and Smith the benefit of the doubt but I am skeptical as Hell. Yes, I presented a simple question in my initial post to catch attention.

[t.j 35]

1. True, most quarterbacks do make tremendous strides between seasons one and two. But they also usually show flashes between the start and end of their rookie season. He didn't show improvement to me but they did win the last two games of the year. I always defend Vick for putting up terrible stats but getting his team the win so I guess I should do the same with Alex. He looked bad, not terrible in his last two games but whether that was improvement or because he played Stl and Houston I don't know. I DO know kid Fitz from Saint Louis looked spectacular against the Texans.

 

2. A good attitude is always a plus as are smarts but wasn't Akili Smith a smart guy? Harrington seems to have good character. Marino didn't score well on his tests but he turned out alright. Smarts aren't a guarantee.

 

3. I agree. He likely will not get any worse.

 

4. The Niners haven't done much yet. There's a lot of guys out there that can/could help the team but the Niners thus far have stood pat. Losing Carter and Peterson? Ok, too much money, never healthy, disgruntled, etc. Yet they still have Barlow?

 

I'm giving Nolan and Smith the benefit of the doubt but I am skeptical as Hell. Yes, I presented a simple question in my initial post to catch attention.

 

1. On the one hand you say the Niners had improved results at the end of the year and on the other you say he didn't show improvement. I don't really know what to say to that. Other than to say that I don't think improvement throughout year 1 is historically as significant for QBs as improvement between year 1 and year 2.

 

2. No, Akili Smith was not a smart guy. Harrington doesn't seem to be a very likeable guy, people find him to be a prima donna. Arguably they may end up feeling similarly about Alex but I'm really not worried about character as long as the guy isn't going to pull a Leaf, or a Culpepper/Walker, and I'd be surprised if he did. Marino was dumb and a jerk, and a great player, but that doesn't really have anything to do with Alex.

 

4. The Niners will improve, there's no question. There isn't even a word to describe how much talent they lacked across the board last year. It's very early in the preseason, have patience. Plus, it's year 2 for Mike Nolan, he should have more of his guys in place and a team that understands his system better this time around.

[football_scooter 0]

As I said above, your Bryant post wasn't actually a bad one. My statement (those end with a .) was not directed at that post individually but you in general.

 

Right - so you admit that you chose to blatently disregard Mike's direct instructions with regards to following the CS by flaming me in that topic out of the blue, interruptive to the topic and for no apparent reason.

[cherry garcia 0]

Losing Brandon Lloyd surely isn't going to help A.Smith.

 

I can't figured that move out from the 9'ers end.

 

And I think it's REALLY too early to call him a bust.Time will tell,but till then I'm avoiding the 9'ers in ff totally.

[football_scooter 0]

Hey there sweetie. Thanks for taking the time to respond. First, you may or may not be stupid. But your posts sure as Hell usually are. Though I have not seen any moronic postings from you since the return of this place, your reputation stands. I welcome you with open arms if you have changed your ways.

 

I am a Niners fan as well. Sadly, not everything I do is to grab your attention.

 

Alex Smith completed 50.9 percent of his passes. That is putrid. He threw ONE touchdown. One. Compared to 11 interceptions. His passer rating was 40.8. In short, he made Kyles Orton and Boller look all-pro. I'm certainly willing to give him another go but I saw nothing last year to make me think he's the future. Let us not forget last year was a terrible year to have first pick-were Smith going this year he would fall a whole helluva lot.

 

Interesting.

 

IF you actually claim you're a Niner fan, it's somewhat amazing - and I mean like, "so obvious a blind and retarded chimpanzee could understand" that you single out Alex Smith as having a horrible season while failing entirely to spread the blame to his supporting cast - one of, if not the worst I have ever seen.

 

As for your explanation of the elusive question mark, here's a tip:

 

When you start a topic titled, "Alex Smith, Bust" that doesn't ask a question, it makes a statement.

To further support that it's a statement, you go on to say,

"Surely any qb who was there last year would have been terrible but Alex was amazingly bad. In fact, that was one of the worst seasons I've EVER seen."

Note, your friend the period on the end of that statement. Were it a question, surely you would have used the question mark, considering your impressive mastery of it, exemplified in your previous post.

 

The only question you actually ask seems to be a challenge to anyone to disprove your statement.

Why is it too early to call him a bust?

 

Just keepin it real.

[t.j 35]

Losing Brandon Lloyd surely isn't going to help A.Smith.

 

I can't figured that move out from the 9'ers end.

 

And I think it's REALLY too early to call him a bust.Time will tell,but till then I'm avoiding the 9'ers in ff totally.

 

Lloyd is a head case with a horrible work ethic. They'll be better off with Bryant.

[cherry garcia 0]

I didn't know that about Lloyd's head.But his hands are fantastic.{I wonder if he thanks them like Fred Ex does his?}

[Guest Mr.T]

I didn't know that about Lloyd's head.But his hands are fantastic.{I wonder if he thanks them like Fred Ex does his?}

 

For every circus grab he made he dropped some easy passes.

[Guest Mr.T]

1. On the one hand you say the Niners had improved results at the end of the year and on the other you say he didn't show improvement. I don't really know what to say to that. Other than to say that I don't think improvement throughout year 1 is historically as significant for QBs as improvement between year 1 and year 2.

 

2. No, Akili Smith was not a smart guy. Harrington doesn't seem to be a very likeable guy, people find him to be a prima donna. Arguably they may end up feeling similarly about Alex but I'm really not worried about character as long as the guy isn't going to pull a Leaf, or a Culpepper/Walker, and I'd be surprised if he did. Marino was dumb and a jerk, and a great player, but that doesn't really have anything to do with Alex.

 

4. The Niners will improve, there's no question. There isn't even a word to describe how much talent they lacked across the board last year. It's very early in the preseason, have patience. Plus, it's year 2 for Mike Nolan, he should have more of his guys in place and a team that understands his system better this time around.

 

 

The Niners won two games in a row at the end of the year. So in that regard they did look better. Yet Alex Smith still looked like crap.

 

Ok, Akili Smith was a moron. Harrington has been a good guy IMO. He's constantly getting ripped yet he never rips back. That's gotta be hard to do. Your point was, smart guys likely do better. That helps but it's not a guarantee.

 

The Niners will have even less talent this year than they did last. By the time they're any good Alex Smith may be too shell shocked to play decently (David Carr syndrome).

[football_scooter 0]

For every circus grab he made he dropped some easy passes.

 

In 2004, that was the case. In 2005 he was far more clutch. I used to say about him that he "made all the spectacular catches and dropped the routine ones" - but last year he showed marked improvement in that area.

 

Talent wise, I think Lloyd blows Bryant away.

 

In terms of being a team player, keeping your head down and doing your job, I think Bryant is probably going to be a better fit in a Nolan run team.

 

But who knows with Bryant - people had pretty high expectations of him out of college. Maybe as the team develops around him he will realize some of his potential.

 

And if the Niners can build up an O-Line through the draft & FA, perhaps we'll actually be able to begin to evaluate Alex Smith's potential and talent. Based on last year, one knows virtually nothing about him in terms of whether or not he's a bust.

 

I hope that answers your "question".

[Guest Mr.T]

Football Scooter, do you have any older brothers?

[jdswan922 0]

Just to be the devil's advocate...

 

While technically, a question mark at the end of a sentence creates a question, often times people ask rhetorical questions to make a statement. In this case it would seem the "question" was meant more to invoke a response that did not actually answer the question, thus making it more of a statement than a question.

[football_scooter 0]

The Niners will have even less talent this year than they did last. By the time they're any good Alex Smith may be too shell shocked to play decently (David Carr syndrome).

And you had the audacity to tell me that *I* say stupid things?

 

Wow.

 

Considering how far under the cap they already were, then got to increase that by 10 million, and with multiple 3rd, 5th and 7th round picks, perhaps you can explain to me how they will have less talent than they did last year. I'm positively giddy with anticipation of that explanation.

 

Just to be the devil's advocate...

 

While technically, a question mark at the end of a sentence creates a question, often times people ask rhetorical questions to make a statement. In this case it would seem the "question" was meant more to invoke a response that did not actually answer the question, thus making it more of a statement than a question.

Give that man a ci-gar.

[Guest Mr.T]

And you had the audacity to tell me that *I* say stupid things?

 

Wow.

 

Considering how far under the cap they already were, then got to increase that by 10 million, and with multiple 3rd, 5th and 7th round picks, perhaps you can explain to me how they will have less talent than they did last year. I'm positively giddy with anticipation of that explanation.

 

 

Well we'll have to wait and see who they sign before determining whether or not that is an accurate statement. Hell, the Redskins don't have any money to spend and they're signing people left and right. So the Niners having cash does not instantly equate into having more talent.

[football_scooter 0]

Football Scooter, do you have any older brothers?

Sure do. Did your parents have any children that lived?

[Guest Mr.T]

Sure do. Did your parents have any children that lived?

 

How many older bros you have? My parents have two others that survived.

[football_scooter 0]

Well we'll have to wait and see who they sign before determining whether or not that is an accurate statement. Hell, the Redskins don't have any money to spend and they're signing people left and right. So the Niners having cash does not instantly equate into having more talent.

 

Uh, yet it's your assumption that having more cash will equate to less talent.

 

That was your statement, right? I was careful to look for the little question mark at the end of your sentence, and found none.

 

How many older bros you have? My parents have two others that survived.

1.

 

Why?

 

 

(and lol)

[Miller_Time_21 0]

Sure do. Did your parents have any children that lived?

I think this is the crap that Mike wanted left at the old board.......

[t.j 35]

Ok, Akili Smith was a moron. Harrington has been a good guy IMO. He's constantly getting ripped yet he never rips back. That's gotta be hard to do. Your point was, smart guys likely do better. That helps but it's not a guarantee.

 

Yeah but I think you miss the point by talking about Joey Checkdown. Harrington may be a nice guy but I wouldn't classify him as a smart guy. Alex on the other hand graduated with a legitimate degree in three years with a 3.85 GPA while playing football at a high level. That takes serious smarts.

 

I think this is the crap that Mike wanted left at the old board.......

 

For real. If they actually enforce the rules about insulting people, scooter won't last long.

 

Well we'll have to wait and see who they sign before determining whether or not that is an accurate statement. Hell, the Redskins don't have any money to spend and they're signing people left and right. So the Niners having cash does not instantly equate into having more talent.

 

The Redskins have signed all of 3 players. The Niners aren't going to turn themselves around with just 3 players. They are going to take their time (like most teams) and use the entire offseason to improve in all areas. One can make a strong argument that the Skins overpaid for what they got. If the Niners use the rest of their cap wisely (i.e. filling it up with guys who are good value for what they get paid), San Francisco will make way more strides than what the 'Skins early FAs will give Washington.

[Guest Mr.T]

Yeah but I think you miss the point by talking about Joey Checkdown. Harrington may be a nice guy but I wouldn't classify him as a smart guy. Alex on the other hand graduated with a legitimate degree in three years with a 3.85 GPA while playing football at a high level. That takes serious smarts.

 

I didn't mean Joey is a smart guy but rather he has a good attitude. You said it takes both smarts and attitude to thrive and IMO Harrington may not have the smarts but he does have the 'tude.

 

If Alex Smith had been drafted in a later round people would have no problem saying he's not that good-since he was the #1 pick it's a totally different story. How about the fact Kyle Orton outperformed him? People are saying he's a good backup but not starter material.

[RicemanX 20]

looks at bait...swims away.

[t.j 35]

I didn't mean Joey is a smart guy but rather he has a good attitude. You said it takes both smarts and attitude to thrive and IMO Harrington may not have the smarts but he does have the 'tude.

 

If Alex Smith had been drafted in a later round people would have no problem saying he's not that good-since he was the #1 pick it's a totally different story. How about the fact Kyle Orton outperformed him? People are saying he's a good backup but not starter material.

 

I didn't say it takes attitude to thrive. Read back, the only reason I mentioned attitude is because Alex's numbers were similar to Ryan Leaf's rookie year, and we all know how Leaf turned out. But, Leaf was a major head case so I don't think there is any worry of a repeat of that.

 

Kyle Orton has nothing to do with anything. Frankly, Kyle Orton played very poorly on a good football team. Smith played very poorly on a very bad football team. Orton played through his senior year and played at the big 10, and again he landed on a good NFL team, so he had every opportunity for early success. Alex came out as a junior from a smaller program and is more of a potential guy, who had zero chance of success on that disaster of a squad last year.

[Guest Mr.T]

Kyle Orton has nothing to do with anything. Frankly, Kyle Orton played very poorly on a good football team. Smith played very poorly on a very bad football team. Orton played through his senior year and played at the big 10, and again he landed on a good NFL team, so he had every opportunity for early success. Alex came out as a junior from a smaller program and is more of a potential guy, who had zero chance of success on that disaster of a squad last year.

 

Why does Orton not belong in this conversation? Because the Bears D was awesome? What does college matter now they're in the NFL?

 

What of Charlie Frye? No defense to carry him. First year guy, not playing for a good team and playing in a much tougher division-his stats?

 

69.8 passer rating, 4 touchdowns and 6 interceptions. 6.1 ypa.

 

Hell, Ryan Fitzpatrick looked better-he has much better offensive weapons but he needs them because the Rams D is worse than even the Niners.

 

Losman looked better than Smith even. And he was terrible.

 

Hey, I hope Smith turns out to be a great qb-but at this point, yes, one year, I'm going to be a skeptical bastard. At no point last season did he even show flashes to me of greatness. Hell, Eli was bad in his first go but every now and then he looked good.

[t.j 35]

Why does Orton not belong in this conversation?

 

I already explained to you why. Orton's rookie year is no more relevant than any of dozens of QB rookie seasons over the years.

 

What does college matter now they're in the NFL?

 

Guys who play through their senior year (and play something resembling NFL-style ball) have an advantage in terms of preparedness for the NFL. Smith had more of the basics to learn as a rookie, but again IMO has much more upside.

 

What of Charlie Frye? No defense to carry him. First year guy, not playing for a good team and playing in a much tougher division-his stats? 69.8 passer rating, 4 touchdowns and 6 interceptions. 6.1 ypa.

 

Frye he played fine. But if your premise is that Smith is obviously a worse prospect at this point than anyone who looked better in his rookie year, then I flat-out disagree. If it's not, I really have no idea what your point is. Are you trying to discuss football, or are you trying to name-drop the entire 2005 NFL Draft Class?

 

There is so much that goes into the development and long-term success of a QB. Jeff George and Rick Mirer had two of the better rookie seasons in NFL history but their careers after that were very disappointing. It's very important to work hard, get good coaching, have good teammates, and have physical talent. The physical talent tends to be the same for a player throughout his career, but the other three can all result in drastic improvements. Look at Rich Gannon, the guy was left for dead by the NFL after 6 or 7 years, but he came back and became and NFL MVP because he worked his ass off, was a monster of a competitor, and landed in the right place at the right time with Gruden & co. Like Smith he was a smart guy with very good athleticism and decent arm strength/accuracy.

 

Hell, Ryan Fitzpatrick looked better

 

I really don't care. And if you don't understand why yet, then we can end this conversation now.

 

Hey, I hope Smith turns out to be a great qb-but at this point, yes, one year, I'm going to be a skeptical bastard.

 

I think everyone is skeptical at this point. It would be stupid not to be. But IMO it's definitely too early to write him off as a bust. Everyone is way too quick to evaluate individuals straight off their numbers, people never give credit to the factors outside that player's control which goes into their success. There are a lot of reasons why Smith could look a lot better next year, so let's wait and see.

[Ron_Mexico 0]

It's nice to see that after all these months,

FootballScooter is still smoking Crystal Meth.

The paranoia just never ceases, some things never change.

 

Welcome back FS

 

Just don't look outside FS, cuz they're comin' to getcha.

 

[football_scooter 0]

Miller_Time

I think this is the crap that Mike wanted left at the old board.......

 

For real. If they actually enforce the rules about insulting people, scooter won't last long.

 

 

Ah, so when MrT came at me in the Bryant topic out of the blue with this:

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...howtopic=205093

Ya know, I was rather happy when the boards went down because it meant I wouldn't have to read stupid posts by Football Scooter.

 

That was all cool?

 

And then it was an amazing coincedence that 10 mins later he starts this troll.

 

Way to pile on to support the guy who flamed me for no reason while I was talking football.

 

Thank goodness for timestamps. Then Mike will know who to axe.

 

It's nice to see that after all these months,

FootballScooter is still smoking Crystal Meth.

The paranoia just never ceases, some things never change.

 

Welcome back FS

 

Just don't look outside FS, cuz they're comin' to getcha.

 

 

Hey, as always, I give as I get. it's not paranoia when someone flames you for no reason. But hey - if you want to step up and take a shot, have at it.

 

I'm just here to talk football.

[Guest Mr.T]

Ah, so when MrT came at me in the Bryant topic with this:

http://www.fftodayforums.com/forum/index.p...howtopic=205093

That was all cool?

 

Way to pile on to support the guy who flamed me for no reason while I was talking football.

 

Thank goodness for timestamps. Then Mike will know who to axe.

 

 

Dude, thanks for hijacking. Earlier in this very thread I said my stupid comment was NOT in reference to your specific Antonio Bryant talk but rather you in general. I stand by that statement. That's your image-get used to it. Instead of complaining about it you would be best suited to shut up and work hard to change for the better. Hell, what I said wouldn't even be considered flaming by fbg's standards. Lighten up francis.

 

I can't say much more about Smith and the Niners until they sign some FA's. Right now however, the team is worse than last year. If they sign some quality guys and have a good draft I'll be delighted. I reluctantly will agree it is too early to call Smith a bust but in my opinion he showed me NOTHING of future glory. Please, what greatness did you see in him that I missed? Scooter or anyone else? Ken friggin Dorsey outplayed the franchise qb. Ken Dorsey. I'm afraid by the time this turd is finally polished he will be too shell shocked to be of any use.

 

Lastly, the name is not MrT. First name Mister, middle name . last name T. Also, here is some advice for you.

[football_scooter 0]

Dude, thanks for hijacking. Earlier in this very thread I said my stupid comment was NOT in reference to your specific Antonio Bryant talk but rather you in general. I stand by that statement. That's your image-get used to it. Instead of complaining about it you would be best suited to shut up and work hard to change for the better. Hell, what I said wouldn't even be considered flaming by fbg's standards. Lighten up francis.

Wow - so when some jerk comes at me and insults me for no reason, I'm suppossed to "shut up and work hard to change for the better"? Uh, when I was talking football and you were flaming me out of the blue?

 

 

so I'm suppossed to "change" from what I was doing? Let's see...here's my post:

not bad - fairly vanilla move, IMO. Needed a WR, got a WR - won't break the bank, though I'm not wild about the 5 mil he's getting the 1st year.

 

Still - great to see them active at all.

 

and I followed it up with this:

Except they got a 3rd rounder in 06 and a 4th rounder in 07, plus they likely saved money, while shipping out a loud mouthed guy with a bad attitude.

 

To my knowledge, Bryant has never openly complained about his teammates and coaches, and that's apparently what Lloyd was doing.

 

I think it's a solid move. As mentioned, not a blockbuster - but I don't anticipate any blockbusters being made.

 

This team will improve through small, solid moves like this one. It addressed a need - WR. Check. Move on.

 

Some here seem to be bashing the Niners for it....ripping them for this move seems somewhat pointless.

 

which you replied to with this gem of insight:

Ya know, I was rather happy when the boards went down because it meant I wouldn't have to read stupid posts by Football Scooter.

 

And *I'm* the one who needs to change. Yeah - once again, just keepin it real.

 

Maybe you could just say "my bad" and we'll leave it at that.

 

I can't say much more about Smith and the Niners until they sign some FA's. Right now however, the team is worse than last year. If they sign some quality guys and have a good draft I'll be delighted. I reluctantly will agree it is too early to call Smith a bust but in my opinion he showed me NOTHING of future glory. Please, what greatness did you see in him that I missed? Scooter or anyone else? Ken friggin Dorsey outplayed the franchise qb. Ken Dorsey. I'm afraid by the time this turd is finally polished he will be too shell shocked to be of any use.

 

I didn't see any greatness in him. However that says nothing of whether he has the potential to be great. The fact is that he's a very bright kid, with good size and athleticism. His durability was encouraging, as was his willingness to lay wood if he had to. He made dramatic improvements to his field awareness from the 1st game of the year to the last, and had he any time to throw the ball, it is possible that we'd have seen something interesting to talk about there. But as it stands, we didn't see much of anything on the field from Smith because the team around him was a miserable product.

 

As he grows as an NFL QB, and as that line is developed into a pro-caliber unit, I think we could see some very good things out of Smith. personally, I think it's unlikely that he ever shows us something "great" - I never deluded myself into thinking he was "great" - but I think he can develop into a very good NFL QB some day, given talent around him. I don't need him to be the next Brett Favre. the next Trent Dilfer will suffice.

[Guest Mr.T]

So wait-you're hoping he turns into the next Trent Dilfer? The #1 overall pick and you'll be happy with a Dilfer clone? If that's the best you can hope for after one year then that would sound like a major disappointment. Which is another way of saying bust. Unless of course when they took him last year you were thinking "Manning? Montana? Sissies. I want the next Trent Dilfer!!"

 

And it's the fact you won't let the stupid comment go is why you deserved it in the first place.

[football_scooter 0]

So wait-you're hoping he turns into the next Trent Dilfer? The #1 overall pick and you'll be happy with a Dilfer clone? If that's the best you can hope for after one year then that would sound like a major disappointment. Which is another way of saying bust. Unless of course when they took him last year you were thinking "Manning? Montana? Sissies. I want the next Trent Dilfer!!"

 

Probably too subtle for you. I also said I think he can be very good. And by the way, Dilfer won a superbowl - thus the reference.

 

And it's the fact you won't let the stupid comment go is why you deserved it in the first place.

Perhaps it's the fact that you won't own up to your actions of flaming me for no reason that inspires me to continue pursuing it.

 

So what you're saying is, it was a pre-emptive strike...you flamed me because I "deserved it" even though I hadn't said a single thing to or about you in the 10 minutes you'd been back? Wow. Fascinating.

 

Again, just keepin it real.

 

Here's a thought, and I know it's way out of left field, but try me....Say, just for a moment, that you hadn't flamed me for no reason. Where would we be right now? Why, in all likelyhood we'd be here, civilly discussing Alex Smith. Just a couple of guys with no ill will.

 

But that's not what you decided to do. And here's me, keeping it real, your immediate karma for flaming me. So maybe it's you who deserves this.

 

Just food for thought...