Real draft going on right now

[Da Bomb 0]

you are confident in your opinion, so is he with his. youve made it sound wrong that he is confident, so why the double standard.

 

anyways, nothing in that last post is anything close to a personal attack. this is a fantasy football message board. i want to talk football. you want to find personal attacks. youre wasting my time, im done here.

[football_scooter 0]

you are confident in your opinion, so is he with his. youve made it sound wrong that he is confident, so why the double standard.

There is no double standard. When I have an opinion and 34 has an opinion that differs, I'll express mine and he'll express his. I think the supportive comments I and others made were far stronger than the supporting commentary he made to justify taking a riskier player (older/recovering from injury/porr team around them) and that only serves to reinforce my opinion.

 

Is anyone right or wrong? Not until the season has been played.

 

anyways, nothing in that last post is anything close to a personal attack. this is a fantasy football message board. i want to talk football. you want to find personal attacks. youre wasting my time, im done here.

 

calling me the "king of rhteoric" isn't a personal attack? Should I go back 3 posts and quote the others? You are done here - because you're full of it.

[SoloMatisse 0]

It wouldnt be fair to expect anyone to go back and draft a squad in hindsight at this point, DB, because weve seen the picks laid out for us. But it would be fairly safe to say, because the top end of most drafts are so predictable, that the 1st 3 picks could have a slightly different feel to them. for example, I would have probably gone Portis, Larry Fitzgerald, and Hines Ward with the top 3. Portis because theyve brought in Saunders who is a mastermind at calling plays, and will mix in a plethara of screens adequate enough to give Portis plenty of catches in the PPR format. Fitzgerald, imo, is somewhat of a no brainer in that 2.7 hole at WR where you MUST start 3 receivers. Otherwise, Id have gone RB with that 2nd pick again. But he's coming into his 3rd year, his team throws more than any other team in the league, his QB situation will be adequate enough to feed him the ball, he's not an injury risk, and Edge is in town. Arizona was 2nd worst in the league last year in redzone TD % at around 29%. He still scored 10 TDs and had over 100 catches. He's young, healthy, and nowhere near close to having reached his peak #s. Hines Ward would have been my #2 WR choice because he is so reliable. He's gained 1000yds in 5 straight seasons, and has had double digit TDs for 3 years in his career. as a WR2, he's off the charts. He's just what you want...reliable, consistent, durable, and the focal point of the passing game with a young stud QB only getting better who was peaking down the stretch last year. Beyond that, who knows what I would have done. Im sure I would have done what Sweetness did which was stay flexible, stay open minded, think aggressively, and try and keep the team balanced. I just would have done it with a whole lot less risk....and I wouldnt have taken 2 WRs from the same team. But Im not here to just criticize, Im genuinely trying to contribute, and when my recommended picks are passed over, its no sweat off my brow. Youre 100% correct in that this is his draft, and we should be dissapointed if 34 was just listening to us schmoes. We dont know any better than him.

[Da Bomb 0]

interesting take solo, thats basically the exact strategy set-up id have taken in the top 3 picks, other than preferring a different WR to fitzgerald. im just wondering if peoples opinions of this team would be different if the top picks were different. im wondering if its the whole draft that people are upset with, or just those first couple picks up top. thats why i have kept asking to see how peoples drafts wouldve played out differently. what if sweetness's team was:

 

palmer, warner

portis, c martin, deangelo, rhodes

fitz, ward, porter, mccardell

[Sweetness_34 0]

I have this gut feeling that he's sitting there thinking, "wow, I can't believe all these great players fell to me" when the reality is that no one else wanted to touch many/most of them.

 

Scooter - the truth is that after I made the Palmer, Porter, McCardell, Kurt Warner, Dominick Rhodes and Randy Moss picks, I got people in my own draft telling me that they were gonna the guy with their next pick (and every single time it was within the next 3 picks).

 

Say what you want buddy, but those are the facts. You may not like my draft, that is fine. But please do not tell me something you have no clue about (i.e. no one would touch those players)

[SoloMatisse 0]

Im sure we'd all find some reason to disagree slightly with those picks, but I basically I just wasnt crazy about the Jackson, Martin and Palmer picks. I cant hate on the Moss and Barber picks a great deal. Those 2 are solid. Its just my general philosophy to limit the # of players I draft who I deem as inj. risks. Jackson is, following up Moss who is a slight one, and Palmer is a major risk, imo, so Id have followed him up with some Q known to complete a full 16 game schedule. The Martin pick just doesnt do it for me for the reasons Ive stated. At that point in the draft, I might have made an aggressive move to acquire another late 3rd or early 4th pick to hopefully snag Santana Moss, Donald Driver or a different RB possibly. But imo, without doubt, the general feel of a team can be reflected in the 1st 3 or 4 picks. So making a couple of different choices at the top of this draft would definitely leave me with a greater degree of confidence.

[football_scooter 0]

Scooter - the truth is that after I made the Palmer, Porter, McCardell, Kurt Warner, Dominick Rhodes and Randy Moss picks, I got people in my own draft telling me that they were gonna the guy with their next pick (and every single time it was within the next 3 picks).

 

Say what you want buddy, but those are the facts. You may not like my draft, that is fine. But please do not tell me something you have no clue about (i.e. no one would touch those players)

 

I was thinking more with CMart actually.

 

The picks you just mentioned were ones I actually liked with the exception of Porter.

 

Im sure we'd all find some reason to disagree slightly with those picks, but I basically I just wasnt crazy about the Jackson, Martin and Palmer picks. I cant hate on the Moss and Barber picks a great deal. Those 2 are solid. Its just my general philosophy to limit the # of players I draft who I deem as inj. risks. Jackson is, following up Moss who is a slight one, and Palmer is a major risk, imo, so Id have followed him up with some Q known to complete a full 16 game schedule. The Martin pick just doesnt do it for me for the reasons Ive stated. At that point in the draft, I might have made an aggressive move to acquire another late 3rd or early 4th pick to hopefully snag Santana Moss, Donald Driver or a different RB possibly. But imo, without doubt, the general feel of a team can be reflected in the 1st 3 or 4 picks. So making a couple of different choices at the top of this draft would definitely leave me with a greater degree of confidence.

 

'Bout sums it up for me too.

 

As I've already said, IF HEALTHY, I think your team can compete. But I am far from confident in the health of this team through a 16 game FFB schedule.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Since the original intent of this thread was to discuss pros and cons of most players to help everyone on the bored, let's get back to that follks......chill scooter and Da Bomb.....I know all of you love me.

 

Updated:

 

1.01 LJ

1.02 LT

1.03 Shaun Alexander

1.04 Edge

1.05 Steven Jackson

1.06 Tiki Barber (my pick)

1.07 Portis

1.08 Lamont Jordan

1.09 Rudi Johnson

1.10 Caddy

1.11 Ronnie Brown

1.12 Mcgahee

2.01 Westbrook

2.02 Dom Davis

2.03 Steve Smith

2.04 Chad Johnson

2.05 Peyton Manning

2.06 Torry Holt

2.07 TO

2.08 Fitzgerald

2.09 Harrison

2.10 Randy Moss (my pick after trade down from 2.07 => got up from 3.05=>3.06 & 4.10=>5.06 too)

2.11 Boldin

2.12 Julius Jones

3.01 Antonio Gates

3.02 Reggie Bush

3.03 Reggie Wayne

3.04 Jamal Lewis

3.05 Darrell Jackson (My Pick)

3.06 Chris Chambers

3.07 Chester Taylor (your boy scooter )

3.08 Hines Ward

3.09 Kevin Jones

3.10 Reuben Droughns

3.11 Roy Williams/WR

3.12 Willie Parker

4.01 Warrick Dunn

4.02 Santana Moss

4.03 Plaxico Burress

4.04 Joe Horn

4.05 Donald Driver

4.06 Houshmandzadeh

4.07 Carson Palmer (My Pick)

4.08 Jeremy Shockey

4.09 Javon Walker

4.10 Curtis Martin (My Pick)

4.11 Tony Gonzalez

4.12 Tom Brady

5.01 Tatum Bell

5.02 Andre Johnson

5.03 Todd Heap

5.04 Marc Bulger

5.05 Deion Branch

5.06 Cedric Benson

5.07 Joseph Addai

5.08 Thomas Jones

5.09 Corey Dillon

5.10 Matt Hasselback

5.11 Deuce McAllister

5.12 Eli Manning

6.01 Derrick Mason

6.02 Joey Galloway

6.03 Frank Gore

6.04 Alge Crumpler

6.05 Deshaun Foster

6.06 Donovan Mcnabb

6.07 DeAngelo W (my pick)

6.08 Lee Evans

6.09 Nate Burleson

6.10 Laverneous Coles

6.11 Ron Dayne

6.12 Ahman Green

7.01 Fred Taylor

7.02 Dominick Rhodes (My pick: Traded my 7.06, 8.07 and 10.07 for 7.02, 8.11 and 10.11)

7.03 Muhsin Muhammad

7.04 Laurence Maroney

7.05 Michael Vick

7.06 Rod Smith

7.07 Koren Robinson

7.08 Chris Brown

7.09 Mike Clayton

7.10 Reggie Brown

7.11 Culpepper

7.12 Lendale White

8.01 Jason Witten

8.02 Cooley

8.03 LJ Smith

8.04 Drew Bledsoe

8.05 Jake Delhomme

8.06 Marion Barber

8.07 Sam Gado

8.08 Kevan Barlow

8.09 Randy McMichael

8.10 Eddue Kennison

8.11 Jerry Porter

8.12 Donte Stallworth

9.01 Drew Bennett

9.02 Trent Green

9.03 Ernest Wilford

9.04 Mike Anderson

9.05 Kellen Winslow

9.06 Kurt Warner

9.07 Drew Brees

9.08 Jake Plummer

9.09 Chris Perry

9.10 Terry Glenn

9.11 Vernon Davis

9.12 Ben Rothlisberger

10.01 Bears Defense

10.02 Aaron Brooks

10.03 Brett Favre

10.04 Isaac Bruce

10.05 Keyshawn Johnson

10.06 Mark Clayton

10.07 Antonio Bryant

10.08 TJ Duckett

10.09 Kevin Curtis

10.10 Greg Jones

10.11 Keenan McCardell (my pick)

10.12 David Givens

11.01 Steelers defense

11.02 Byron Leftwich

11.03 Carolina Panthers

 

My next pick 11.06

 

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Updated Rosters:

 

Angry Squirrels:

QB Trent Green KCC 0.00 9.02 3

QB Byron Leftwich JAC 0.00 11.02 6

RB LaDainian Tomlinson SDC 0.00 1.02 3

RB Reggie Bush FA 0.00 3.02 0

RB Ron Dayne DEN 0.00 6.11 4

RB Sam Gado GBP 0.00 8.07 6

WR Anquan Boldin ARI 0.00 2.11 9

WR Andre Johnson HOU 0.00 5.02 5

WR Rod Smith DEN 0.00 7.06 4

WR Antonio Bryant CLE 0.00 10.07 6

TE Tony Gonzalez KCC 0.00 4.11 3

 

$teelerMike

QB Tom Brady NEP 0.00 5.01 6

RB Larry Johnson KCC 0.00 1.01 3

RB Julius Jones DAL 0.00 2.12 3

RB Tatum Bell DEN 0.00 4.12 4

RB Ahman Green GBP 0.00 6.12 6

RB Fred Taylor JAC 0.00 7.01 6

WR Donte' Stallworth NOS 0.00 8.12 7

WR Drew Bennett TEN 0.00 9.01 7

WR David Givens NEP 0.00 10.12 6

TE Antonio Gates SDC 0.00 3.01 3

DT Pittsburgh Steelers PIT 0.00 11.01 4

 

Ohio River-Rats

QB Matt Hasselbeck SEA 0.00 5.10 5

QB Brett Favre GBP 0.00 10.03 6

RB Edgerrin James IND 0.00 1.04 6

RB Reuben Droughns CLE 0.00 3.10 6

RB Frank Gore SFO 0.00 6.03 7

WR Marvin Harrison IND 0.00 2.09 6

WR Javon Walker GBP 0.00 4.09 6

WR Reggie Brown PHI 0.00 7.10 9

WR Terry Glenn DAL 0.00 9.10 3

TE L.J. Smith PHI 0.00 8.03 9

 

Flying Ostriches (this guy traded out of 1.03 - the Shaun Alexander pick)

QB Jake Delhomme CAR 0.00 8.05 9

RB Willie Parker PIT 0.00 3.12 4

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 0.00 4.01 5

RB DeShaun Foster CAR 0.00 6.05 9

RB Chris Brown TEN 0.00 7.08 7

RB Greg Jones JAC 0.00 10.10 6

WR Terrell Owens PHI 0.00 2.07 9

WR Larry Fitzgerald ARI 0.00 2.08 9

WR Chris Chambers MIA 0.00 3.06 8

TE Todd Heap BAL 0.00 5.03 7

DT Carolina Panthers CAR 0.00 11.03 9

 

Prairie Oysters

QB Marc Bulger STL 0.00 5.04 7

RB Carnell Williams TBB 0.00 1.10 4

RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0.00 3.04 7

RB Laurence Maroney FA 0.00 7.04 0

RB Mike Anderson DEN 0.00 9.04 4

WR Steve Smith CAR 0.00 2.03 9

WR Plaxico Burress NYG 0.00 4.03 4

WR Nate Burleson MIN 0.00 6.09 6

WR Kevin Curtis STL 0.00 10.09 7

TE Randy McMichael MIA 0.00 8.09 8

 

Keyser Soze

QB Daunte Culpepper MIN 0.00 7.11 6

QB Aaron Brooks NOS 0.00 10.02 7

RB Ronnie Brown MIA 0.00 1.11 8

RB Domanick Davis HOU 0.00 2.02 5

RB Deuce McAllister NOS 0.00 5.11 7

WR Roy Williams DET 0.00 3.11 8

WR Santana Moss WAS 0.00 4.02 8

WR Joey Galloway TBB 0.00 6.02 4

TE Chris Cooley WAS 0.00 8.02 8

TE Vernon Davis FA 0.00 9.11 0

 

BerthaC (this guy traded up for 1.03 by giving up the 2/3/4 rounders)

QB Michael Vick ATL 0.00 7.05 5

RB Shaun Alexander SEA 0.00 1.03 5

RB Steven Jackson STL 0.00 1.05 7

RB Kevan Barlow SFO 0.00 8.08 7

RB T.J. Duckett ATL 0.00 10.08 5

WR Deion Branch NEP 0.00 5.05 6

WR Lee Evans BUF 0.00 6.08 8

WR Laveranues Coles NYJ 0.00 6.10 9

WR Muhsin Muhammad CHI 0.00 7.03 7

TE Kellen Winslow CLE 0.00 9.05 6

 

Vipers

QB Eli Manning NYG 0.00 5.12 4

QB Ben Roethlisberger PIT 0.00 9.12 4

RB Willis McGahee BUF 0.00 1.12 8

RB Brian Westbrook PHI 0.00 2.01 9

RB Lendale White FA 0.00 7.12 0

WR Reggie Wayne IND 0.00 3.03 6

WR Derrick Mason BAL 0.00 6.01 7

WR Eddie Kennison KCC 0.00 8.10 3

TE Jeremy Shockey NYG 0.00 4.08 4

DT Chicago Bears CHI 0.00 10.01 7

 

Feisty Ferrets

QB Donovan McNabb PHI 0.00 6.06 9

QB Drew Brees SDC 0.00 9.07 3

RB Clinton Portis WAS 0.00 1.07 8

RB Chester Taylor BAL 0.00 3.07 7

RB Joseph Addai FA 0.00 5.07 0

RB Marion III Barber DAL 0.00 8.06 3

WR Torry Holt STL 0.00 2.06 7

WR TJ Houshmandzadeh CIN 0.00 4.06 5

WR Koren Robinson MIN 0.00 7.07 6

WR Mark Clayton BAL 0.00 10.06 7

 

Godzilla

QB Drew Bledsoe DAL 0.00 8.04 3

RB Rudi Johnson CIN 0.00 1.09 5

RB Kevin Jones DET 0.00 3.09 8

RB Corey Dillon NEP 0.00 5.09 6

RB Chris Perry CIN 0.00 9.09 5

WR Chad Johnson CIN 0.00 2.04 5

WR Joe Horn NOS 0.00 4.04 7

WR Michael Clayton TBB 0.00 7.09 4

WR Isaac Bruce STL 0.00 10.04 7

TE Alge Crumpler ATL 0.00 6.04 5

 

Steagles

QB Peyton Manning IND 0.00 2.05 6

QB Jake Plummer DEN 0.00 9.08 4

RB LaMont Jordan OAK 0.00 1.08 3

RB Cedric Benson CHI 0.00 5.06 7

RB Thomas Jones CHI 0.00 5.08 7

WR Hines Ward PIT 0.00 3.08 4

WR Donald Driver GBP 0.00 4.05 6

WR Ernest Wilford JAC 0.00 9.03 6

WR Keyshawn Johnson DAL 0.00 10.05 3

TE Jason Witten DAL 0.00 8.01 3

 

Da Bears (My team)

QB Carson Palmer CIN 0.00 4.07 5

QB Kurt Warner ARI 0.00 9.06 9

RB Tiki Barber NYG 0.00 1.06 4

RB Curtis Martin NYJ 0.00 4.10 9

RB DeAngelo Williams FA 0.00 6.07 0

RB Dominic Rhodes IND 0.00 7.02 6

WR Randy Moss OAK 0.00 2.10 3

WR Darrell Jackson SEA 0.00 3.05 5

WR Jerry Porter OAK 0.00 8.11 3

WR Keenan McCardell SDC 0.00 10.11 3

 

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All TEs still available that were 2 picks back

 

Now I have a question about Drew Bennett. It seems there was consensus everyone loved him here for my #3WR. I am sorry but I just do not see it. Here are my reasons why:

 

- Starting QB play will be bad. And yes I know Volek threw a lot of completed bombs to Bennett in 4 games 2 years back. GO BACK AND SEE THOSE GAMES. They were against some horrible defenses (I remember Oakland as one), all of who had given up for the season. In a real season with people actually playing to win, no one will let Bennett have those games. See last year. What did bennett do????

 

- Derrick Mason is gone. No real #1....a lot of jacks, but no ace on that team. Brandon Jones, Roydell Williams, David Givens will make it a WRBC hell-hole. And I have not even mentioned Ben Troupe and Erron Kinney catching passes too. Again, I take McCardell over a Bennett any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

 

- The guy is as injury prone as anyone else. He is not really gifted physically, cannot catch the ball over the middle etc etc. Why should I waste my time over him????

 

- Finally, once Tenessee gets to 2-6 at midpoint or something like that, it will be the Vince Young show, and why would I want to be any part of that either?????

 

Sorry folks but I will let someone else take Bennett.

 

oops, now i see it! sorry man, good, i hate him always.

 

I do like Miller, but why not stack the RB bench, its almost dry. That is depending on how you structure your roster.

 

Ben Watson later?

 

I like Ben as my back up TE but I cannot take a chance as a starter with Brady looking everywhere all the time. I like Miller or Ben Troupe as my starter (maybe I get both if I get lucky)

[Da Bomb 0]

i like bennett, but i liked stallworth better. anyways, what are you thinking with this pick coming up? looks to me like theres still a few WRs that would be worth the spot, but i get the feeling you are leaning TE. im just not quite sold enough on someone like heath miller esp in PPR, but im wondering who are your top candidates for a pick here.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Actually Mason would have been my 5th round target. I think he was sitting there. But since he had 2X 4th rounders, I would have used the 2nd one on Mason, sure.

 

Scooter - I have told you this 3 times before but I will try one more time.

 

I DID NOT HAVE A 5TH ROUND PICK.

 

I had 2 4th rounders. Thank you.

[SoloMatisse 0]

I would absolutely take Joe Jurevicius at this point. he's a #1 WR on a team that will have to throw the ball alot with an improving young QB. JJ had double digit TDs last year. To get a 10 TD guy in the 12 round is absolute robbery. Youve waited on TE this long...another round wont hurt. And Verron Haynes......see if you can steal him super late in this draft. Only one RB, FWP, has been taken from the Steelers....a notoriously strong running team. Someone else in Steeltown will tote the rock, and it WILL be Haynes. He'll be the goalline back, imo. Again, thievery if you can swing it. Most of the TEs at this point are looking the same, and waiver wire TE steals do happen. Or you could mix in a trade for Vernon Davis or Cooley.

[Sweetness_34 0]

i like bennett, but i liked stallworth better. anyways, what are you thinking with this pick coming up? looks to me like theres still a few WRs that would be worth the spot, but i get the feeling you are leaning TE. im just not quite sold enough on someone like heath miller esp in PPR, but im wondering who are your top candidates for a pick here.

 

I just picked Heath Miller.....it's Miller time baby. For someone who I thought of picking up 3 freaking rounds back, I am thrilled I waited and still got him (while getting Porter and McCardell too). The other guy who does not have a starting TE (Feisty Ferrets) has the next pick after mine and one more before my next pick, so I could not take that chance of letting him take Miller before me. I can still take a Ben Troupe/Alex Smith/Ben Watson/Jermaine Wiggins kinda guy to back him up later. Miller had 40 catches as a rookie, and Big Ben is growing into a very solid Qb. Expect Miller to catch more passes this year at goal line wit no Bettis and expect Miller to catch more passes even in non-red zone opportunities with no Randel El (Holmes is a rookie so do not expect too much there).

 

Now I can focus probably on defense or maybe even another WR if I see value next pick. My week 3 is going to be a tough one with 3 of my 4 WRs on bye (SD, Oak) but I can still get someone to plug and play for that one week later on. Eagles play San Fran week 3 so maybe a Pinkston or Greg Lewis just for that week later on.

 

Recent picks made:

 

Mcnair

Mewelde Moore

Heath Miller (my pick)

 

I would absolutely take Joe Jurevicius at this point. he's a #1 WR on a team that will have to throw the ball alot with an improving young QB. JJ had double digit TDs last year. To get a 10 TD guy in the 12 round is absolute robbery. Youve waited on TE this long...another round wont hurt. And Verron Haynes......see if you can steal him super late in this draft. Only one RB, FWP, has been taken from the Steelers....a notoriously strong running team. Someone else in Steeltown will tote the rock, and it WILL be Haynes. He'll be the goalline back, imo. Again, thievery if you can swing it. Most of the TEs at this point are looking the same, and waiver wire TE steals do happen. Or you could mix in a trade for Vernon Davis or Cooley.

 

Good input Solo, but I picked Miller because I did not want to take a chance any more. Miller may not catch more than 50 passes, but he will get >6 TDs and he will be solid production week to week with Big Ben growing as a Qb.

 

I will look into the choices you suggested next round definitely. Some WRs I like for WR #5:

 

Joe J

Matt Jones

Braylon Edwards (keep your "your team is old/injured" jokes ready )

Amani Toomer (see above for jokes)

Reche Caldwell (could be #2 WR there)

Mike Williams

Charles Rogers

Rookie WRs (Holmes, Chad Jackson etc)

 

 

What is the news on Braylon Edwards folks????

 

ANyone know if he is on pace to start the season??? Could be a huge high upside pick this late....

[SoloMatisse 0]

I like the Heath Miller pick. He's on a short list of guys Ill target this year in redrafts if I dont get ahold of Gates, Shockey or Crumpler. I think you'll be in pretty good shape with him. Now, just grab KC's D/ST and the Jets kicker and you'll about have this thing licked.

 

[Sweetness_34 0]

I like the Heath Miller pick. He's on a short list of guys Ill target this year in redrafts if I dont get ahold of Gates, Shockey or Crumpler. I think you'll be in pretty good shape with him. Now, just grab KC's D/ST and the Jets kicker and you'll about have this thing licked.

 

 

Sarcasm

[SoloMatisse 0]

Sarcasm

 

 

I have no clue about your D choice, since that usually hinges on specific D criteria. But maybe you should lock down a top K when you get a chance if you feel its the right time. How do you see Rackers doing this year? The guy sure does get alot of chances, though surely less this year than last.

[Sweetness_34 0]

I have no clue about your D choice, since that usually hinges on specific D criteria. But maybe you should lock down a top K when you get a chance if you feel its the right time. How do you see Rackers doing this year? The guy sure does get alot of chances, though surely less this year than last.

 

I do not think it is worth getting Rackers with the TDs going up for AZ this year with a legit RB now in the fold for the red zone.

 

Hence, my choice is someone like a David Akers. Can get him later, he is healthy now, Eagles will move the ball some since they have shown to do it in the past without TO, but they will have huge problems in red zone without a legit redzone WR and without a legit redzone running game. Hence, Akers = cha ching....and he is great from >40 too.

[SoloMatisse 0]

I do not think it is worth getting Rackers with the TDs going up for AZ this year with a legit RB now in the fold for the red zone.

 

Hence, my choice is someone like a David Akers. Can get him later, he is healthy now, Eagles will move the ball some since they have shown to do it in the past without TO, but they will have huge problems in red zone without a legit redzone WR and without a legit redzone running game. Hence, Akers = cha ching....and he is great from >40 too.

 

 

good call.

[football_scooter 0]

Scooter - I have told you this 3 times before but I will try one more time.

 

I DID NOT HAVE A 5TH ROUND PICK.

 

I had 2 4th rounders. Thank you.

 

Uh, which is why I said (and you quoted me saying) "But since he had 2X 4th rounders, I would have used the 2nd one on Mason, sure."

 

Apology accepted.

 

Reading: it's fundamental.

[SoloMatisse 0]

Heres a thought, for all you guys who've followed Sweetness' draft the closest, including you 34, would you characters be interested in a free league for bragging rights? I dont play free leagues myself, but in order to simplify the process, I think itd be in good fun to pit our knowledge against one another. Give it some thought.

[football_scooter 0]

Heres a thought, for all you guys who've followed Sweetness' draft the closest, including you 34, would you characters be interested in a free league for bragging rights? I dont play free leagues myself, but in order to simplify the process, I think itd be in good fun to pit our knowledge against one another. Give it some thought.

 

I am in several such already, but sure - I'd do one more if you guys are down.

 

Maybe Mike will give us a forum to do an online draft in here at FFT - then we can set it up on Yahoo when available.

[SoloMatisse 0]

I am in several such already, but sure - I'd do one more if you guys are down.

 

Maybe Mike will give us a forum to do an online draft in here at FFT - then we can set it up on Yahoo when available.

 

 

FS-

Youd HAVE to be in. Im sure we'd have a good time with it talking smack throughout the year. Yahoo would be the site, and Id be happy to set it up if we get it together.

[Sweetness_34 0]

I am in several such already, but sure - I'd do one more if you guys are down.

 

Maybe Mike will give us a forum to do an online draft in here at FFT - then we can set it up on Yahoo when available.

 

I will pick Chesta Taylor with the 1st pick of the draft because he is Baby Jesus

 

Or so I am told

 

<Just messing around scooter....> I love ya bro and appreciate your honesty. And the same goes for Solo and Da Bomb.

[football_scooter 0]

I will pick Chesta Taylor with the 1st pick of the draft because he is Baby Jesus

lmao

 

I guess that makes DJax G-d himself since you picked him over baby J....

lol

 

 

As for this, I think we should really raise the stakes: sig prizes for 1st & 2nd place! League champion gets all 11 other league memer's sig space for 1 month. 2nd place gets a 1-liner in the other 10 members (not the champ) for 1 week.

 

Now THAT would be bragging rights.

[Sweetness_34 0]

lmao

 

I guess that makes DJax G-d himself since you picked him over baby J....

lol

As for this, I think we should really raise the stakes: sig prizes for 1st & 2nd place! League champion gets all 11 other league memer's sig space for 1 month. 2nd place gets a 1-liner in the other 10 members (not the champ) for 1 week.

 

Now THAT would be bragging rights.

 

DJax is the 2nd coming baby.....

 

PS: I just got a note from someone in my draft saying how he had been looking at Miller the past 2 rounds as his pick, and how he thinks I freaking got a steal this late. One man's opinion again, but I have seen many of my picks get this kind of response. So much so, that 4 out of the 12 think I have the best team in the league. They all assume Palmer will not be out for the season and will start some time in the 1st 6 games.

[SoloMatisse 0]

Alright, here's a list of the guys that have hit this thread the hardest....Id say that would give them an 'in' if they so choose. Id vote for 10 teams so that our teams could be slightly more stacked, but Im flexible.

 

Sweetness34

DaBomb

FootballScooter

SoloMatisse

SteelCityBlues

ratbastard1

Ellisonb11

jocstrap

stonecoldsoonerfan

Fumbleweed

 

Just a 'perspective' list for now....

 

long as you guys keep your stinkin' paws off my guy, LJ....

 

 

I saw that mother comin' first.....

 

 

[Sweetness_34 0]

Alright, here's a list of the guys that have hit this thread the hardest....Id say that would give them an 'in' if they so choose. Id vote for 10 teams so that our teams could be slightly more stacked, but Im flexible.

 

Sweetness34

DaBomb

FootballScooter

SoloMatisse

SteelCityBlues

ratbastard1

Ellisonb11

jocstrap

stonecoldsoonerfan

Fumbleweed

 

Just a 'perspective' list for now....

 

Put swamp poopie in too.....the guy will draft Suckington as his starting QB, Kevin Jones as his starting RB and the Lydown Wrs as his top 3 WRs.....I love people like that in my league

 

<Just kidding swamp....>

[Sweetness_34 0]

Alright, here's a list of the guys that have hit this thread the hardest....Id say that would give them an 'in' if they so choose. Id vote for 10 teams so that our teams could be slightly more stacked, but Im flexible.

 

Sweetness34

DaBomb

FootballScooter

SoloMatisse

SteelCityBlues

ratbastard1

Ellisonb11

jocstrap

stonecoldsoonerfan

Fumbleweed

 

Just a 'perspective' list for now....

 

Put swamp poopie in too.....the guy will draft Suckington as his starting QB, Kevin Jones as his starting RB and the Lydown Wrs as his top 3 WRs.....I love people like that in my league

 

<Just kidding swamp....>

[football_scooter 0]

Alright, here's a list of the guys that have hit this thread the hardest....Id say that would give them an 'in' if they so choose. Id vote for 10 teams so that our teams could be slightly more stacked, but Im flexible.

 

Sweetness34

DaBomb

FootballScooter

SoloMatisse

SteelCityBlues

ratbastard1

Ellisonb11

jocstrap

stonecoldsoonerfan

Fumbleweed

 

Just a 'perspective' list for now....

 

long as you guys keep your stinkin' paws off my guy, LJ....

 

 

I saw that mother comin' first.....

[snob]

10 team leagues are for whinps. I don't play anything less than 12.

[/snob]

 

And here's a handy tool for randomizing the draft order - sends results to everyone via email so everyone knows it's all on the level.

http://www.net-commish.com/tools/random/

[SoloMatisse 0]

Id love for Swamp to be in this thing, but I didnt see him dropping much in 34's thread. Swamp, if youre out there, drop a line.

 

[snob]

10 team leagues are for whinps. I don't play anything less than 12.

[/snob]

 

And here's a handy tool for randomizing the draft order - sends results to everyone via email so everyone knows it's all on the level.

http://www.net-commish.com/tools/random/

 

 

excellent tool, scoot. step 1, that is. now, 10 or 12?

[stonecoldsoonerfan 0]

Alright, here's a list of the guys that have hit this thread the hardest....Id say that would give them an 'in' if they so choose. Id vote for 10 teams so that our teams could be slightly more stacked, but Im flexible.

 

Sweetness34

DaBomb

FootballScooter

SoloMatisse

SteelCityBlues

ratbastard1

Ellisonb11

jocstrap

stonecoldsoonerfan

Fumbleweed

 

Just a 'perspective' list for now....

 

long as you guys keep your stinkin' paws off my guy, LJ....

 

 

I saw that mother comin' first.....

 

i'm in if you guys are serious.

[SoloMatisse 0]

i'm in if you guys are serious.

 

 

wouldnt be a league without a sooner fan who's stone cold....

 

Ill get info out in a thread soon....

[stonecoldsoonerfan 0]

wouldnt be a league without a sooner fan who's stone cold....

[SoloMatisse 0]

We're making progress, and Ill start a new info thread not to divert away from Sweetness' thread anymore. I'll call it the "Jerry Porter was a dumb pick" league for now.

 

[football_scooter 0]

We're making progress, and Ill start a new info thread not to divert away from Sweetness' thread anymore. I'll call it the "Jerry Porter was a dumb pick" league for now.

 

 

 

I'd also like to propose a "no dealing of draft picks rule" - I've been in such leagues before and it's a real pain in the arse. Especially for online slow drafts.

[SoloMatisse 0]

Ill vote in favor of that rule, FS. Simplification of things is simply ......fication??. Ive got nothin' here......

[Da Bomb 0]

 

I'd also like to propose a "no dealing of draft picks rule" - I've been in such leagues before and it's a real pain in the arse. Especially for online slow drafts.

 

Man Law!

 

and thanks for the invite, but i have to pass. i am pretty busy in the school year with graduate work, so i need to limit to a couple of leagues. sounds fun, though im not sure im totally on board with the proposed league name.

[SoloMatisse 0]

Alright, DB good gettin' back about it, and we'll fill in your spot with a no-knowledge schmoe that will hopefully help the rest of us. If we hold this draft on board here, though, you'll have to provide the ususally strong commentary.

 

 

And, Im voting to invite in my pal Ace08 in DaBomb's place. I go back on this board with Ace for atleast 5 or 6 years, and can assure everyone, he'll draft a full array of 49ers.

 

[Apu Nahasapeemapetilon 0]

$teelerMike

QB Tom Brady NEP 0.00 5.01 6

RB Larry Johnson KCC 0.00 1.01 3

RB Julius Jones DAL 0.00 2.12 3

RB Tatum Bell DEN 0.00 4.12 4

RB Ahman Green GBP 0.00 6.12 6

RB Fred Taylor JAC 0.00 7.01 6

WR Donte' Stallworth NOS 0.00 8.12 7

WR Drew Bennett TEN 0.00 9.01 7

WR David Givens NEP 0.00 10.12 6

TE Antonio Gates SDC 0.00 3.01 3

DT Pittsburgh Steelers PIT 0.00 11.01 4

 

 

This team looks very, very solid.

 

For waiting until the 8th until getting a WR, he still ended up with a decent group. No star, but serviceable. Plus there's always a breakout WR that wasn't even drafted (ie Boldin, S Moss, etc). And if Green or Taylor ends up starting good, he'll have some major trade bait.

[Sweetness_34 0]

$teelerMike

QB Tom Brady NEP 0.00 5.01 6

RB Larry Johnson KCC 0.00 1.01 3

RB Julius Jones DAL 0.00 2.12 3

RB Tatum Bell DEN 0.00 4.12 4

RB Ahman Green GBP 0.00 6.12 6

RB Fred Taylor JAC 0.00 7.01 6

WR Donte' Stallworth NOS 0.00 8.12 7

WR Drew Bennett TEN 0.00 9.01 7

WR David Givens NEP 0.00 10.12 6

TE Antonio Gates SDC 0.00 3.01 3

DT Pittsburgh Steelers PIT 0.00 11.01 4

This team looks very, very solid.

 

For waiting until the 8th until getting a WR, he still ended up with a decent group. No star, but serviceable. Plus there's always a breakout WR that wasn't even drafted (ie Boldin, S Moss, etc). And if Green or Taylor ends up starting good, he'll have some major trade bait.

 

It is a start 3 WR, 2 RB league with PPR. If Green or Taylor are solid, he will need them himself because JJ is far from solid. Last year, the guy was taken out for MBII all the time.....

[football_scooter 0]

It is a start 3 WR, 2 RB league with PPR. If Green or Taylor are solid, he will need them himself because JJ is far from solid. Last year, the guy was taken out for MBII all the time.....

Past performance is not necessarily an indicator of future performance.

 

Not saying I think JJones is a stud in the works, but I do believe that if Parcells has his druthers, MBIII will only get touches to spell JJ, because Parcells tends to like his feature backs. Also remember that Parcells passed on SJax to deal down and take JJones, who he considered the better back for his system.

 

MBIII is a servicable back - he has nowhere near the upside of a healthy JJones. High ankle sprains are nasty - I didn't know that until I got into it here with many who posted solid information and educated me on the matter. Now JJones is healthy and I think MBIII is getting more than his due because of last year's split.

 

If I took JJones, I'd no doubt handcuff him with MBIII, but I expect the 80-20 rather than last year's 60-40.

 

 

 

Anyway, you seem to do this with a lot of players - downgrade or upgrade them based on last year, when some of thier circumstances have changed. Describing CTaylor as "the guy who couldn't beat out Jamal Lewis" or here with JJones who was hurt.

 

I think you've missed on more than a few players because of this, yet you are oddly stubborn about players with as much or more risk like CMart and DJax. I could easily point out to you the 11 games DJackson missed last year and say something like, "yeah, he's great for a guy who will only play 5 games like he did last year." - that's the same thing you're saying about JJones. It's a bit odd and inconsistent.

 

All that said, I agree with the above poster and have said as much myself - Steelerguy got a solid, if unspectacular WR corps, and if either Green or Taylor work out, he has great trade bait. That team, and the team that took Owens/Fitz/Dunn/etc are the two best, IMO.