Real draft going on right now

[Da Bomb 0]

So you actually chose JERRY PORTER ahead of all those others everyone suggested? Youve got to be kidding me. Before even Stallworth or Terry Glenn or Kennison or basically anyone else on another team besides Moss' team??? Ive got to tell you, I wasnt crazy about either of those WR picks up to that point thru 3 rounds because they are both an injury risk imo, but then you waited nearly 6 rounds to pick up a mediocre guy on the same team as your lead guy?? In a start 3 WR league?? Im shaking my head right now.....

 

call me crazy, but im sorta getting the feeling you didnt care a whole lot for his pick..

[Sweetness_34 0]

So you actually chose JERRY PORTER ahead of all those others everyone suggested? Youve got to be kidding me. Before even Stallworth or Terry Glenn or Kennison or basically anyone else on another team besides Moss' team??? Ive got to tell you, I wasnt crazy about either of those WR picks up to that point thru 3 rounds because they are both an injury risk imo, but then you waited nearly 6 rounds to pick up a mediocre guy on the same team as your lead guy?? In a start 3 WR league?? Im shaking my head right now.....

 

Solo

 

I can still pick up a Terry Glenn or Kennan McCarfell as my next pick (2 picks to go). Kennison got picked before my pick (one pick before mine).

 

Recent picks made:

 

8.11 Jerry Porter

8.12 Stallworth

9.01 Drew Bennett

9.02 Trent Green

9.03 Ernest Wilford

 

Jerry Porter has upside to be a legit #2 WR. And Oakland will be throwing a lot from behind in most games, especilly against Denver, KC and SD (3 offensive juggernauts). ALso, they play against NFC West (Seattle, Arizona, St Louis), all of whom will score on these guys and force them to throw the ball in the 2nd half. And they go up against the hapless 9ers defense too.

[SoloMatisse 0]

Solo

 

I can still pick up a Terry Glenn or Kennan McCarfell as my next pick (2 picks to go). Kennison got picked before my pick (one pick before mine).

 

Recent picks made:

 

8.11 Jerry Porter

8.12 Stallworth

9.01 Drew Bennett

9.02 Trent Green

9.03 Ernest Wilford

 

Jerry Porter has upside to be a legit #2 WR. And Oakland will be throwing a lot from behind in most games, especilly against Denver, KC and SD (3 offensive juggernauts). ALso, they play against NFC West (Seattle, Arizona, St Louis), all of whom will score on these guys and force them to throw the ball in the 2nd half. And they go up against the hapless 9ers defense too.

 

 

I know you have good reasons....that really is a good schedule. Its the multiple eggs in one basket thing, and the fact that Kennison & McCardell will have basically identical schedules also playing on AFC West teams.....except of course they actually get to play against the RAIDERS TWICE TOO. Just a nervous twitch I guess. Youre doing great.......

 

Ill be OK.

 

call me crazy, but im sorta getting the feeling you didnt care a whole lot for his pick..

 

 

DB-

 

This is us right now with our advice....

[Sweetness_34 0]

I am back on the clock folks....last few picks since I picked

 

8.11 Jerry Porter

8.12 Stallworth

9.01 Drew Bennett

9.02 Trent Green

9.03 Ernest Wilford

9.04 Mike Anderson

9.05 Ernest Wilford

9.06 My pick

 

TEs left - Heath Miller, Ben Troupe., Ben Watson, Vernon Davis, Dallas Clark

 

QBs left (for back up for Palmer and insurance) - Warner, Favre, Brees, Rothlisberger, Aaron Brooks, Kitna, Jake Plummer etc etc

 

WRs left (for #4 WR) - Terry Glenn, Isaac Bruce, Braylon Edwards, Keenan McCardell, Antonio Bryant, Matt Jones, etc etc

 

What do ya think? My next pick is 10.11 (17 picks away or so) ..... only one person needs a starting TE. I really love Heath Miller as my starting TE (had targetted him from start of draft). He came on good at end of year and with Bettis gone, I expect more redzone play action TDs to him. The only other person who needs the starting TE drafts next spot after me. Should I wait and hope he picks Vernon Davis or Dallas Clark???

 

Also, everyone has a starting QB now.....I am thinking the back up QB run may not yet start but I doubt Warner will last till my next pick if I do not pick him now. Many left though (see above) who could carry a team if Palmer is late in starting

 

Lots of #4 type WRs still left as stated above

 

Thoughts????

 

Or should I just go and pick up the Bears defense....

[Da Bomb 0]

i definitely wouldnt take a TE here. with your next pick being so far away, you might need to get your backup QB now. otherwise youre going to get one in the 10th after about 18 QBs are off the board, and you already know youre going to have to start this guy several times probably. if not QB, then take another WR.

[Sweetness_34 0]

I went ahead and picked Warner.....I sense a back up QB run coming, and there are lots of WRs still left that I can get as my #4 and 5 later.

 

Also, you are correct Da Bomb. People will pick their back up Qbs first and then go back up TEs. So, one out of Dallas Clark/Heath Miller/Vernon Davis will be there for my next pick. Warner will not.....and if Carson gets out of the gate late and slow, Warner can carry my team for a while with that cream puff schedule and the talent around him.

 

 

 

Wow, the guy who picked after me just picked Drew Brees as his back up QB (and he was the other person who needed a starting TE)

 

I might be able to get my choice still later

[Steel City Blues 0]

Jerry Porter Hope you don't get stuck with rotten chalupas.

 

Wilford gone Which team landed him?

 

 

I think you've figured out what you need. Your choice between

 

QB Warner (obvious reasons)

WR Glenn/McCardell/Bryant (you will need 2 more starting WR with porter & moss on your team...i don't know the bye weeks for your other options, but anyone else with a raiders bye almost gets tossed out)

TE Miller (depends on how much higher you rate him vs the next 3-4 guys)

[ellisonb11 0]

I went ahead and picked Warner.....I sense a back up QB run coming, and there are lots of WRs still left that I can get as my #4 and 5 later.

 

Also, you are correct Da Bomb. People will pick their back up Qbs first and then go back up TEs. So, one out of Dallas Clark/Heath Miller/Vernon Davis will be there for my next pick. Warner will not.....and if Carson gets out of the gate late and slow, Warner can carry my team for a while with that cream puff schedule and the talent around him.

 

I might be able to get my choice still later

 

sweetness i like your choice on warner here. if palmer is still hurt, warner should be a solid fantasy QB at the beginning of the season before he gets hurt around mid season liek always. by then, palmer will be up and running. good choice.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Thank God I picked Warner....the next 2 picks after that was Brees and Plummer....I sense a lot more QBs gone by the time I get a chance

[Sweetness_34 0]

sweetness i like your choice on warner here. if palmer is still hurt, warner should be a solid fantasy QB at the beginning of the season before he gets hurt around mid season liek always. by then, palmer will be up and running. good choice.

 

Warner in the 1st 2 months plays:

 

SF @SEA STL @ATL KC CHI @OAK @GB

 

Except Chicago and maybe Atlanta and Seattle, lots of passing opportunity for big #s early on. And then it is the Carson show

 

Not to mention great trade bait when he does well initially.

[Da Bomb 0]

doing a mock as we speak. 12 teams, PPR league. start 1/2/3/1/1/1. all TDs worth 6.

 

so far i am sitting with:

qb - brady

rb - LJ, edge, addai

wr - driver, mason

te - gonzo

 

no picks for awhile now. got the 1.1 slot, and we're mid 7th, so i wait now for 8.12/9.1 to grab some more RB/WR talent. obviously made a trade to get edge. basically my 2/3 for his 1/5.

[Kitsnow 0]

you mean lamont jordan? not edge.. nevermind.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Some recent picks made:

 

Chris Perry

Terry Glenn

Vernon Davis

Rothlisberger

Bears Defense

Aaron Brooks

Brett Favre

 

Lotsa QBs going now

[Da Bomb 0]

you mean lamont jordan? not edge.. nevermind.

 

i meant edge. i tried to pick him, which is why i traded in at 1.8 for him, but the computer messed up. since its a mock, im just considering the pick as edge.

 

have since added drew bennett and ahman green at the 8/9 turn. huge WR run right before me, didnt like that too much.

 

sweetness, nice to see the QBs are going. who are you looking at with your next pick? youre done at QB, except for leinart much later. whos your best left at RB, WR, and TE? time to grab a TE soon. im hesitant to recommend vernon davis... sick talent, but they have eric johnson so it might take davis awhile to get his PT.

[Kitsnow 0]

done at QB I think not still have a few options

[Sweetness_34 0]

Vernon Davis already got picked up

 

So it is between Ben Troupe, Heath Miller and Dallas Clark. I prefer the first 2 in a PPR league. Also, I can add a Ben Watson/Alex Smith/Bubba Franks as back up to shore that position in case I need it

 

The only other guy who needs a qb is now on the clock.....lets see what he takes.

[Steel City Blues 0]

How about a team update. I still want to see who took Wilford in the 9th.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Updated:

 

1.01 LJ

1.02 LT

1.03 Shaun Alexander

1.04 Edge

1.05 Steven Jackson

1.06 Tiki Barber (my pick)

1.07 Portis

1.08 Lamont Jordan

1.09 Rudi Johnson

1.10 Caddy

1.11 Ronnie Brown

1.12 Mcgahee

2.01 Westbrook

2.02 Dom Davis

2.03 Steve Smith

2.04 Chad Johnson

2.05 Peyton Manning

2.06 Torry Holt

2.07 TO

2.08 Fitzgerald

2.09 Harrison

2.10 Randy Moss (my pick after trade down from 2.07 => got up from 3.05=>3.06 & 4.10=>5.06 too)

2.11 Boldin

2.12 Julius Jones

3.01 Antonio Gates

3.02 Reggie Bush

3.03 Reggie Wayne

3.04 Jamal Lewis

3.05 Darrell Jackson (My Pick)

3.06 Chris Chambers

3.07 Chester Taylor (your boy scooter )

3.08 Hines Ward

3.09 Kevin Jones

3.10 Reuben Droughns

3.11 Roy Williams/WR

3.12 Willie Parker

4.01 Warrick Dunn

4.02 Santana Moss

4.03 Plaxico Burress

4.04 Joe Horn

4.05 Donald Driver

4.06 Houshmandzadeh

4.07 Carson Palmer (My Pick)

4.08 Jeremy Shockey

4.09 Javon Walker

4.10 Curtis Martin (My Pick)

4.11 Tony Gonzalez

4.12 Tom Brady

5.01 Tatum Bell

5.02 Andre Johnson

5.03 Todd Heap

5.04 Marc Bulger

5.05 Deion Branch

5.06 Cedric Benson

5.07 Joseph Addai

5.08 Thomas Jones

5.09 Corey Dillon

5.10 Matt Hasselback

5.11 Deuce McAllister

5.12 Eli Manning

6.01 Derrick Mason

6.02 Joey Galloway

6.03 Frank Gore

6.04 Alge Crumpler

6.05 Deshaun Foster

6.06 Donovan Mcnabb

6.07 DeAngelo W (my pick)

6.08 Lee Evans

6.09 Nate Burleson

6.10 Laverneous Coles

6.11 Ron Dayne

6.12 Ahman Green

7.01 Fred Taylor

7.02 Dominick Rhodes (My pick: Traded my 7.06, 8.07 and 10.07 for 7.02, 8.11 and 10.11)

7.03 Muhsin Muhammad

7.04 Laurence Maroney

7.05 Michael Vick

7.06 Rod Smith

7.07 Koren Robinson

7.08 Chris Brown

7.09 Mike Clayton

7.10 Reggie Brown

7.11 Culpepper

7.12 Lendale White

8.01 Jason Witten

8.02 Cooley

8.03 LJ Smith

8.04 Drew Bledsoe

8.05 Jake Delhomme

8.06 Marion Barber

8.07 Sam Gado

8.08 Kevan Barlow

8.09 Prairie Oyster

8.10 Vipers

8.11 Jerry Porter

8.12 Donte Stallworth

9.01 Drew Bennett

9.02 Trent Green

9.03 Ernest Wilford

9.04 Mike Anderson

9.05 Kellen Winslow

9.06 Kurt Warner

9.07 Drew Brees

9.08 Jake Plummer

9.09 Chris Perry

9.10 Terry Glenn

9.11 Vernon Davis

9.12 Ben Rothlisberger

10.01 Bears Defense

10.02 Aaron Brooks

10.03 Brett Favre

10.04 Isaac Bruce

10.05 Keyshawn Johnson

 

My next pick 10.11

 

==================

 

Updated Rosters:

 

Angry Squirrels:

QB Trent Green KCC 0.00 9.02 3

RB LaDainian Tomlinson SDC 0.00 1.02 3

RB Reggie Bush FA 0.00 3.02 0

RB Ron Dayne DEN 0.00 6.11 4

RB Sam Gado GBP 0.00 8.07 6

WR Anquan Boldin ARI 0.00 2.11 9

WR Andre Johnson HOU 0.00 5.02 5

WR Rod Smith DEN 0.00 7.06 4

TE Tony Gonzalez KCC 0.00 4.11 3

 

$teelerMike

QB Tom Brady NEP 0.00 5.01 6

RB Larry Johnson KCC 0.00 1.01 3

RB Julius Jones DAL 0.00 2.12 3

RB Tatum Bell DEN 0.00 4.12 4

RB Ahman Green GBP 0.00 6.12 6

RB Fred Taylor JAC 0.00 7.01 6

WR Donte' Stallworth NOS 0.00 8.12 7

WR Drew Bennett TEN 0.00 9.01 7

TE Antonio Gates SDC 0.00 3.01 3

 

Ohio River-Rats

QB Matt Hasselbeck SEA 0.00 5.10 5

QB Brett Favre GBP 0.00 10.03 6

RB Edgerrin James IND 0.00 1.04 6

RB Reuben Droughns CLE 0.00 3.10 6

RB Frank Gore SFO 0.00 6.03 7

WR Marvin Harrison IND 0.00 2.09 6

WR Javon Walker GBP 0.00 4.09 6

WR Reggie Brown PHI 0.00 7.10 9

WR Terry Glenn DAL 0.00 9.10 3

TE L.J. Smith PHI 0.00 8.03 9

 

Flying Ostriches (this guy traded out of 1.03 - the Shaun Alexander pick)

QB Jake Delhomme CAR 0.00 8.05 9

RB Willie Parker PIT 0.00 3.12 4

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 0.00 4.01 5

RB DeShaun Foster CAR 0.00 6.05 9

RB Chris Brown TEN 0.00 7.08 7

WR Terrell Owens PHI 0.00 2.07 9

WR Larry Fitzgerald ARI 0.00 2.08 9

WR Chris Chambers MIA 0.00 3.06 8

TE Todd Heap BAL 0.00 5.03 7

 

Prairie Oysters

QB Marc Bulger STL 0.00 5.04 7

RB Carnell Williams TBB 0.00 1.10 4

RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0.00 3.04 7

RB Laurence Maroney FA 0.00 7.04 0

RB Mike Anderson DEN 0.00 9.04 4

WR Steve Smith CAR 0.00 2.03 9

WR Plaxico Burress NYG 0.00 4.03 4

WR Nate Burleson MIN 0.00 6.09 6

TE Randy McMichael MIA 0.00 8.09 8

 

Keyser Soze

QB Daunte Culpepper MIN 0.00 7.11 6

QB Aaron Brooks NOS 0.00 10.02 7

RB Ronnie Brown MIA 0.00 1.11 8

RB Domanick Davis HOU 0.00 2.02 5

RB Deuce McAllister NOS 0.00 5.11 7

WR Roy Williams DET 0.00 3.11 8

WR Santana Moss WAS 0.00 4.02 8

WR Joey Galloway TBB 0.00 6.02 4

TE Chris Cooley WAS 0.00 8.02 8

TE Vernon Davis FA 0.00 9.11 0

 

BerthaC (this guy traded up for 1.03 by giving up the 2/3/4 rounders)

QB Michael Vick ATL 0.00 7.05 5

RB Shaun Alexander SEA 0.00 1.03 5

RB Steven Jackson STL 0.00 1.05 7

RB Kevan Barlow SFO 0.00 8.08 7

WR Deion Branch NEP 0.00 5.05 6

WR Lee Evans BUF 0.00 6.08 8

WR Laveranues Coles NYJ 0.00 6.10 9

WR Muhsin Muhammad CHI 0.00 7.03 7

TE Kellen Winslow CLE 0.00 9.05 6

 

Vipers

QB Eli Manning NYG 0.00 5.12 4

QB Ben Roethlisberger PIT 0.00 9.12 4

RB Willis McGahee BUF 0.00 1.12 8

RB Brian Westbrook PHI 0.00 2.01 9

RB Lendale White FA 0.00 7.12 0

WR Reggie Wayne IND 0.00 3.03 6

WR Derrick Mason BAL 0.00 6.01 7

WR Eddie Kennison KCC 0.00 8.10 3

TE Jeremy Shockey NYG 0.00 4.08 4

DT Chicago Bears CHI 0.00 10.01 7

 

Feisty Ferrets

QB Donovan McNabb PHI 0.00 6.06 9

QB Drew Brees SDC 0.00 9.07 3

RB Clinton Portis WAS 0.00 1.07 8

RB Chester Taylor BAL 0.00 3.07 7

RB Joseph Addai FA 0.00 5.07 0

RB Marion III Barber DAL 0.00 8.06 3

WR Torry Holt STL 0.00 2.06 7

WR TJ Houshmandzadeh CIN 0.00 4.06 5

WR Koren Robinson MIN 0.00 7.07 6

 

Godzilla

QB Drew Bledsoe DAL 0.00 8.04 3

RB Rudi Johnson CIN 0.00 1.09 5

RB Kevin Jones DET 0.00 3.09 8

RB Corey Dillon NEP 0.00 5.09 6

RB Chris Perry CIN 0.00 9.09 5

WR Chad Johnson CIN 0.00 2.04 5

WR Joe Horn NOS 0.00 4.04 7

WR Michael Clayton TBB 0.00 7.09 4

WR Isaac Bruce STL 0.00 10.04 7

TE Alge Crumpler ATL 0.00 6.04 5

 

Steagles

QB Peyton Manning IND 0.00 2.05 6

QB Jake Plummer DEN 0.00 9.08 4

RB LaMont Jordan OAK 0.00 1.08 3

RB Cedric Benson CHI 0.00 5.06 7

RB Thomas Jones CHI 0.00 5.08 7

WR Hines Ward PIT 0.00 3.08 4

WR Donald Driver GBP 0.00 4.05 6

WR Ernest Wilford JAC 0.00 9.03 6

WR Keyshawn Johnson DAL 0.00 10.05 3

TE Jason Witten DAL 0.00 8.01 3

 

Da Bears (My team)

QB Carson Palmer CIN 0.00 4.07 5

QB Kurt Warner ARI 0.00 9.06 9

RB Tiki Barber NYG 0.00 1.06 4

RB Curtis Martin NYJ 0.00 4.10 9

RB DeAngelo Williams FA 0.00 6.07 0

RB Dominic Rhodes IND 0.00 7.02 6

WR Randy Moss OAK 0.00 2.10 3

WR Darrell Jackson SEA 0.00 3.05 5

WR Jerry Porter OAK 0.00 8.11 3

[SoloMatisse 0]

Sweet-

 

have you looked at Randy McMichael as a possible TE?? Dallas Clark shares catches with another TE in Indy whose name escapes me, but McMichael caught something like 60 balls last year. Miller is not the guy to have in a PPR....just not enough action, imo. Ditto on Franks as a backup. Id think if you got 2 TEs from McMichael, Watson and Troupe youd be in pretty good shape.

[stonecoldsoonerfan 0]

i would think that a defense would score more points every week compared to a te. that would be the more valuable pick (if defenses usually score more than te's in your league every week).

[Da Bomb 0]

yeah, i was going to ask if you had considered the bears D. they get to play the nfc norris twice, plus the afc east. i just did a mock and was eyeing them at 10.12, and they look like pretty good value here. maybe you can get your starting D and TE here.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Bears D is gone (see update above). So is Randy M. Randy got picked up one pick before mine, and I was going to pick him but oh well.....

 

I am thinking of Pittsburgh D here too.....It all depends on what Ferrets does because he is on the clock and he needs a starting TE like me too.

 

Also, I think Heath Miller will get more action in terms of # of catches goign forward (He was a rookie last year so his initial weeks he did not get much). Also, with Randel El gone and no Bettis for goalline TDs, I see Heath getting more catches and more TDs than last year.

 

I also love the Patriots D as a great pick this year. They should be back this year and play a pretty crappy schedule.

 

But our league does not give great points for D. The pts allowed have no negatives for high points allowed and even the greatest of Ds at least allow 6 pts (most of the time more) so there is not a lot of bang for the buck. So I might go the DBBC route too.

 

DT/Special Team Scoring :

 

 

DT/ST TD = 6 points

Safety = 2 points

INT = 1 point

Fumble = 1 point

Sack = 1 point

 

Defensive

Points Allowed Points

-------------- -----

Shutout 10

2 - 6 8

7 - 10 6

11 - 14 4

15 - 19 2

20+ 0

[ratbastard1 0]

screw the D, you'll get that later just like a K.

 

Why are we here Sweetness? No one even mentioned or discussed Porter not even you.

 

I like that you went WR. I also believe that since you have Moss, the Porter pick is good. A handcuff of sorts. I still think you blwe it not getting Bennet though.

 

Glenn is a terrible pick no upside at all, and injury prone to boot. Warner....yuck. You have to get another QB now or atleast one of your handcuffs.

 

Perhaps Matt Jones falls to you. Upside.

 

Any RBs left? Greg Jones?

[Sweetness_34 0]

screw the D, you'll get that later just like a K.

 

Why are we here Sweetness? No one even mentioned or discussed Porter not even you.

 

I like that you went WR. I also believe that since you have Moss, the Porter pick is good. A handcuff of sorts. I still think you blwe it not getting Bennet though.

 

Glenn is a terrible pick no upside at all, and injury prone to boot. Warner....yuck. You have to get another QB now or atleast one of your handcuffs.

 

Perhaps Matt Jones falls to you. Upside.

 

Any RBs left? Greg Jones?

 

I did not pick Glenn

[ratbastard1 0]

I did not pick Glenn

 

 

oops, now i see it! sorry man, good, i hate him always.

 

I do like Miller, but why not stack the RB bench, its almost dry. That is depending on how you structure your roster.

 

Ben Watson later?

[Da Bomb 0]

who are your top 5-10 left at RB, WR, and TE?

 

i think only the bears are worth a top pick for defense, otherwise might as well wait awhile imo. pittsburgh's D is great, but they have to play a super bowl champ's schedule. none of the other Ds stick out to me enough to go for one here.

 

are mccardell, krob, braylon, moulds, and givens still there? they are the best WR options i see. thats still #1 WRs for several, maybe even all of those teams. would be good guys to add. moulds catches a lot of balls, and mccardell is a safe option. for upside, krob and braylon are both excellent picks.

 

at TE, i know you like heath miller and dallas clark, but what about ben troupe? even playing for a struggling titans team and as the 2nd string TE, troupe had 55 catches for 535 yards and 4 TDs. heath miller might catch a couple more TDs, and dallas maybe a little more yards, but troupe had 55 catches as a BACKUP tight end.

 

btw, what are these two picks:

8.09 Prairie Oyster

8.10 Vipers

[Sweetness_34 0]

Updated:

 

1.01 LJ

1.02 LT

1.03 Shaun Alexander

1.04 Edge

1.05 Steven Jackson

1.06 Tiki Barber (my pick)

1.07 Portis

1.08 Lamont Jordan

1.09 Rudi Johnson

1.10 Caddy

1.11 Ronnie Brown

1.12 Mcgahee

2.01 Westbrook

2.02 Dom Davis

2.03 Steve Smith

2.04 Chad Johnson

2.05 Peyton Manning

2.06 Torry Holt

2.07 TO

2.08 Fitzgerald

2.09 Harrison

2.10 Randy Moss (my pick after trade down from 2.07 => got up from 3.05=>3.06 & 4.10=>5.06 too)

2.11 Boldin

2.12 Julius Jones

3.01 Antonio Gates

3.02 Reggie Bush

3.03 Reggie Wayne

3.04 Jamal Lewis

3.05 Darrell Jackson (My Pick)

3.06 Chris Chambers

3.07 Chester Taylor (your boy scooter )

3.08 Hines Ward

3.09 Kevin Jones

3.10 Reuben Droughns

3.11 Roy Williams/WR

3.12 Willie Parker

4.01 Warrick Dunn

4.02 Santana Moss

4.03 Plaxico Burress

4.04 Joe Horn

4.05 Donald Driver

4.06 Houshmandzadeh

4.07 Carson Palmer (My Pick)

4.08 Jeremy Shockey

4.09 Javon Walker

4.10 Curtis Martin (My Pick)

4.11 Tony Gonzalez

4.12 Tom Brady

5.01 Tatum Bell

5.02 Andre Johnson

5.03 Todd Heap

5.04 Marc Bulger

5.05 Deion Branch

5.06 Cedric Benson

5.07 Joseph Addai

5.08 Thomas Jones

5.09 Corey Dillon

5.10 Matt Hasselback

5.11 Deuce McAllister

5.12 Eli Manning

6.01 Derrick Mason

6.02 Joey Galloway

6.03 Frank Gore

6.04 Alge Crumpler

6.05 Deshaun Foster

6.06 Donovan Mcnabb

6.07 DeAngelo W (my pick)

6.08 Lee Evans

6.09 Nate Burleson

6.10 Laverneous Coles

6.11 Ron Dayne

6.12 Ahman Green

7.01 Fred Taylor

7.02 Dominick Rhodes (My pick: Traded my 7.06, 8.07 and 10.07 for 7.02, 8.11 and 10.11)

7.03 Muhsin Muhammad

7.04 Laurence Maroney

7.05 Michael Vick

7.06 Rod Smith

7.07 Koren Robinson

7.08 Chris Brown

7.09 Mike Clayton

7.10 Reggie Brown

7.11 Culpepper

7.12 Lendale White

8.01 Jason Witten

8.02 Cooley

8.03 LJ Smith

8.04 Drew Bledsoe

8.05 Jake Delhomme

8.06 Marion Barber

8.07 Sam Gado

8.08 Kevan Barlow

8.09 Randy McMichael

8.10 Eddue Kennison

8.11 Jerry Porter

8.12 Donte Stallworth

9.01 Drew Bennett

9.02 Trent Green

9.03 Ernest Wilford

9.04 Mike Anderson

9.05 Kellen Winslow

9.06 Kurt Warner

9.07 Drew Brees

9.08 Jake Plummer

9.09 Chris Perry

9.10 Terry Glenn

9.11 Vernon Davis

9.12 Ben Rothlisberger

10.01 Bears Defense

10.02 Aaron Brooks

10.03 Brett Favre

10.04 Isaac Bruce

10.05 Keyshawn Johnson

10.06 Mark Clayton

 

My next pick 10.11

 

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Updated Rosters:

 

Angry Squirrels:

QB Trent Green KCC 0.00 9.02 3

RB LaDainian Tomlinson SDC 0.00 1.02 3

RB Reggie Bush FA 0.00 3.02 0

RB Ron Dayne DEN 0.00 6.11 4

RB Sam Gado GBP 0.00 8.07 6

WR Anquan Boldin ARI 0.00 2.11 9

WR Andre Johnson HOU 0.00 5.02 5

WR Rod Smith DEN 0.00 7.06 4

TE Tony Gonzalez KCC 0.00 4.11 3

 

$teelerMike

QB Tom Brady NEP 0.00 5.01 6

RB Larry Johnson KCC 0.00 1.01 3

RB Julius Jones DAL 0.00 2.12 3

RB Tatum Bell DEN 0.00 4.12 4

RB Ahman Green GBP 0.00 6.12 6

RB Fred Taylor JAC 0.00 7.01 6

WR Donte' Stallworth NOS 0.00 8.12 7

WR Drew Bennett TEN 0.00 9.01 7

TE Antonio Gates SDC 0.00 3.01 3

 

Ohio River-Rats

QB Matt Hasselbeck SEA 0.00 5.10 5

QB Brett Favre GBP 0.00 10.03 6

RB Edgerrin James IND 0.00 1.04 6

RB Reuben Droughns CLE 0.00 3.10 6

RB Frank Gore SFO 0.00 6.03 7

WR Marvin Harrison IND 0.00 2.09 6

WR Javon Walker GBP 0.00 4.09 6

WR Reggie Brown PHI 0.00 7.10 9

WR Terry Glenn DAL 0.00 9.10 3

TE L.J. Smith PHI 0.00 8.03 9

 

Flying Ostriches (this guy traded out of 1.03 - the Shaun Alexander pick)

QB Jake Delhomme CAR 0.00 8.05 9

RB Willie Parker PIT 0.00 3.12 4

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 0.00 4.01 5

RB DeShaun Foster CAR 0.00 6.05 9

RB Chris Brown TEN 0.00 7.08 7

WR Terrell Owens PHI 0.00 2.07 9

WR Larry Fitzgerald ARI 0.00 2.08 9

WR Chris Chambers MIA 0.00 3.06 8

TE Todd Heap BAL 0.00 5.03 7

 

Prairie Oysters

QB Marc Bulger STL 0.00 5.04 7

RB Carnell Williams TBB 0.00 1.10 4

RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0.00 3.04 7

RB Laurence Maroney FA 0.00 7.04 0

RB Mike Anderson DEN 0.00 9.04 4

WR Steve Smith CAR 0.00 2.03 9

WR Plaxico Burress NYG 0.00 4.03 4

WR Nate Burleson MIN 0.00 6.09 6

TE Randy McMichael MIA 0.00 8.09 8

 

Keyser Soze

QB Daunte Culpepper MIN 0.00 7.11 6

QB Aaron Brooks NOS 0.00 10.02 7

RB Ronnie Brown MIA 0.00 1.11 8

RB Domanick Davis HOU 0.00 2.02 5

RB Deuce McAllister NOS 0.00 5.11 7

WR Roy Williams DET 0.00 3.11 8

WR Santana Moss WAS 0.00 4.02 8

WR Joey Galloway TBB 0.00 6.02 4

TE Chris Cooley WAS 0.00 8.02 8

TE Vernon Davis FA 0.00 9.11 0

 

BerthaC (this guy traded up for 1.03 by giving up the 2/3/4 rounders)

QB Michael Vick ATL 0.00 7.05 5

RB Shaun Alexander SEA 0.00 1.03 5

RB Steven Jackson STL 0.00 1.05 7

RB Kevan Barlow SFO 0.00 8.08 7

WR Deion Branch NEP 0.00 5.05 6

WR Lee Evans BUF 0.00 6.08 8

WR Laveranues Coles NYJ 0.00 6.10 9

WR Muhsin Muhammad CHI 0.00 7.03 7

TE Kellen Winslow CLE 0.00 9.05 6

 

Vipers

QB Eli Manning NYG 0.00 5.12 4

QB Ben Roethlisberger PIT 0.00 9.12 4

RB Willis McGahee BUF 0.00 1.12 8

RB Brian Westbrook PHI 0.00 2.01 9

RB Lendale White FA 0.00 7.12 0

WR Reggie Wayne IND 0.00 3.03 6

WR Derrick Mason BAL 0.00 6.01 7

WR Eddie Kennison KCC 0.00 8.10 3

TE Jeremy Shockey NYG 0.00 4.08 4

DT Chicago Bears CHI 0.00 10.01 7

 

Feisty Ferrets

QB Donovan McNabb PHI 0.00 6.06 9

QB Drew Brees SDC 0.00 9.07 3

RB Clinton Portis WAS 0.00 1.07 8

RB Chester Taylor BAL 0.00 3.07 7

RB Joseph Addai FA 0.00 5.07 0

RB Marion III Barber DAL 0.00 8.06 3

WR Torry Holt STL 0.00 2.06 7

WR TJ Houshmandzadeh CIN 0.00 4.06 5

WR Koren Robinson MIN 0.00 7.07 6

WR Mark Clayton BAL 0.00 10.06 7

 

Godzilla

QB Drew Bledsoe DAL 0.00 8.04 3

RB Rudi Johnson CIN 0.00 1.09 5

RB Kevin Jones DET 0.00 3.09 8

RB Corey Dillon NEP 0.00 5.09 6

RB Chris Perry CIN 0.00 9.09 5

WR Chad Johnson CIN 0.00 2.04 5

WR Joe Horn NOS 0.00 4.04 7

WR Michael Clayton TBB 0.00 7.09 4

WR Isaac Bruce STL 0.00 10.04 7

TE Alge Crumpler ATL 0.00 6.04 5

 

Steagles

QB Peyton Manning IND 0.00 2.05 6

QB Jake Plummer DEN 0.00 9.08 4

RB LaMont Jordan OAK 0.00 1.08 3

RB Cedric Benson CHI 0.00 5.06 7

RB Thomas Jones CHI 0.00 5.08 7

WR Hines Ward PIT 0.00 3.08 4

WR Donald Driver GBP 0.00 4.05 6

WR Ernest Wilford JAC 0.00 9.03 6

WR Keyshawn Johnson DAL 0.00 10.05 3

TE Jason Witten DAL 0.00 8.01 3

 

Da Bears (My team)

QB Carson Palmer CIN 0.00 4.07 5

QB Kurt Warner ARI 0.00 9.06 9

RB Tiki Barber NYG 0.00 1.06 4

RB Curtis Martin NYJ 0.00 4.10 9

RB DeAngelo Williams FA 0.00 6.07 0

RB Dominic Rhodes IND 0.00 7.02 6

WR Randy Moss OAK 0.00 2.10 3

WR Darrell Jackson SEA 0.00 3.05 5

WR Jerry Porter OAK 0.00 8.11 3

 

===================

 

To answer some of the questions:

 

a) I have been going through the #s and Ben Troupe does look very very enticing. Last year this guy was #10 in scoring in our league format and Erron freaking Kinney was #13.....so there is definitely huge upside if half of Kinney's catches go Ben's way. And Tenessee will be playing from behind a lot forcing them to throw. The only problem I see is the QB situation. It could turn into a Vince Young show by the time the FF playoffs come up and that could kill me......or it could help me if they throw lots of dump offs to Ben. Heath has more stability ..... and IMO upside too since he was just a rookie last year. Big Ben has grown as a QB and that can only help Heath IMO. Maybe I can grab both if I take Heath now and in 2 rounds, if no one has taken him, nab Ben Troupe (or Watson) as back up/contingency planning

 

Top players left IMO:

 

WR:

Braylon Edwards - HUge upside but iffy QB situation and coming back from ACL (you guys will kill me after all the grief I got for my old/injured squad already )

Kevin Curtis

David Givens

Keenan McCardell - my #1 target

Antonio Bryant - my #2 target

Eric Moulds - my #3 target

Troy Williamson

Rookie Wrs (Santonio Holmes, Sinorice Moss, Chad Jackson)

Brandon Stokeley

Bobby Engram

Joe Jurevicious

Arnaz Battle

Roddy White

Pinkston

Greg Lewis

 

RB:

Priest Holmes

TJ Duckett

Greg Jones

Mewelde Moore

Cedric Houston (will try and get him late to handcuff CMart though not sure if Blaylock is the back up)

Travis Henry

William Green

Najeh Davenpoop

etc

 

TE:

Heath Miller

Dallas Clark

Jeremy Stevens

Ben Troupe

Ben Watson

Erron Kinney

Alex Smith

Jermaine Wiggins

Marcus Pollard

Courtney Anderson

Bubba Franks

etc etc

 

Defenses:

All available except Bears

[football_scooter 0]

The funny thing here is that I think you lost everyone except Da Bomb, who for some strange reason seems to agree with almost everything you do, seemingly blindly.

 

What loyalty.

 

But if you look over the last few pages, all you see is people disagreeing with both your picks, and your reasoning for selecting them and you trying to justify it, poorly in many cases.

 

There's simply no excuse to take Porter over Wilford. Not only is Porter the #2 WR on that team, but you already have the #1 on that team. I am a wilford owner in a league for a reason: when Lefty was healthy, Wilford was money. Porter has never lived up to his potential, he's somewhat disgruntled, and you now have all your eggs in one basket. Regardless that you think you can still grab comparable WRs (which I do not agree that you can) you have no business mocking the RB heavy team who has Bennett/Stallworth as his 1-2...at least he has some diversity.

 

When I truly evaluate your team, I think you took the wrong RB in the 1st round, and then made horrible mistakes the whole way through. The result is an old team, with many players returning from injury and not a ton of upside. The funny thing is that people have suggested solid picks throughout and you've ignored them all then made some blanket statement about why your pick was the better one, even if it wasn't. I gotta say, I respect your stubborness. The really interesting thing to me is that whenever others have suggested great picks with upside, you've taken the older, riskier player, then invariably within 2 or 3 picks the guy we suggested was taken...that should be a hint.

 

I just don't think this team will win anything this year. Way too much risk. One man's opinion.

[einstein2u 0]

The funny thing here is that I think you lost everyone except Da Bomb, who for some strange reason seems to agree with almost everything you do, seemingly blindly.

 

What loyalty.

 

But if you look over the last few pages, all you see is people disagreeing with both your picks, and your reasoning for selecting them and you trying to justify it, poorly in many cases.

 

There's simply no excuse to take Porter over Wilford. Not only is Porter the #2 WR on that team, but you already have the #1 on that team. I am a wilford owner in a league for a reason: when Lefty was healthy, Wilford was money. Porter has never lived up to his potential, he's somewhat disgruntled, and you now have all your eggs in one basket. Regardless that you think you can still grab comparable WRs (which I do not agree that you can) you have no business mocking the RB heavy team who has Bennett/Stallworth as his 1-2...at least he has some diversity.

 

When I truly evaluate your team, I think you took the wrong RB in the 1st round, and then made horrible mistakes the whole way through. The result is an old team, with many players returning from injury and not a ton of upside. The funny thing is that people have suggested solid picks throughout and you've ignored them all then made some blanket statement about why your pick was the better one, even if it wasn't. I gotta say, I respect your stubborness. The really interesting thing to me is that whenever others have suggested great picks with upside, you've taken the older, riskier player, then invariably within 2 or 3 picks the guy we suggested was taken...that should be a hint.

 

I just don't think this team will win anything this year. Way too much risk. One man's opinion.

 

 

 

IMO BerthaC has assembled the best team

[Da Bomb 0]

The funny thing here is that I think you lost everyone except Da Bomb, who for some strange reason seems to agree with almost everything you do, seemingly blindly.

 

What loyalty.

 

not sure if you are just trying to pick a fight like usual or just not reading, but im definitely not just following everything he does, and im certainly not doing it blindly. for one thing, im pretty much always talking about his next pick. once he makes a pick, thats his prerogative, and if i dont like it, i probably comment quickly and then move forward. no point dwelling on a pick thats already made, and a team thats not mine. what i do agree with, for the most part thus far, is the strategy decisions hes made. they align very closely to my own. as far as actual picks, the only ones we've agreed on are cumar and deangelo.

 

if i had drafted with his picks, i wouldve made similar choices but ended up with a slightly different roster...

 

1.6 - i cant fault tiki barber as high as 1.6 in a draft this year, but not with clinton portis on the board. imo portis is the easy #4 pick, and he was a steal at #6 and shouldve been an easy pick.

 

2.10 - i liked the trade down. he knew he was taking a WR anyways, and my projection for the top 6 WRs are all essentially the same. in fact the order came out TO, Moss, Holt, Fitz, S Smith, CJ, but within 10 points of each other. moss was a good pick. even in an off year last year, he put up good fantasy points.

 

3.5 - i said before the pick that i thought WR was the better pick. there were only a couple consistent ones left on the board who would score top PPR points. the RBs just didnt have enough there to separate from the pack. im not going to re-hash all that. i agreed with taking a WR. i just wouldve taken ward first, then chambers, over djax. all good picks. but ward consistently has 80-90 catches, 1000+ yards, and double digit TDs. wouldve given him two double-digit TD WRs. that wouldve given him the best 1-2 punch at WR in the league other than the ostriches team whose first two picks were WRs.

 

4.7 - i disagreed with the carson palmer pick. i dont like the injury status, and i kept saying that unless he was absolutely certain of a QB or TE, it wasnt worth the pick. didnt like the WRs available. basically aj, walker, or branch and dont like them there. i felt he needed to go with 2 RBs, a steady type and an upside type. i thought there were 3 or 4 left who were far and away the best on the board, and i recommended and wouldve taken tatum bell's upside here.

 

4.10 - agreed with curtis martin and still like him in PPR, esp as a RB2/RB3 guy.

 

6.7 - after i secured those top 3 RBs, i wouldve felt like i needed to focus elsewhere the next few picks... so even though i liked deangelo for his team, it wouldnt have been my pick here. i wouldve looked at QB, WR, and TE. i have waited this long for QB, so id rather wait til the 7th or 8th, and no TEs stuck out, so i'd have gone with WR where one guy did stick out as a very solid WR3 in PPR - Laveranues Coles.

 

7.6 - i liked the trade-up for dominic rhodes. excellent value, and if i needed RB at all, id have jumped all over it. as it is, i like getting 3 good RBs i like and then ignoring the position thereafter. at this point, i need to make sure i find myself a good QB and TE. i see one QB i would love to gamble on, culpepper, and 3 TEs i would love to have in witten, lj smith, and cooley. i dont pick for another 18 or so, and QB scores more points, plus i have a soft spot for Daunte, so he'd have been the pick.

 

8.11 - i would not have been happy since all the TEs were gone, but after those taken, no point in taking one for awhile. time to add depth at QB, RB, or WR. no real RBs there that i care a lot about, but i love stallworth, bennett, and porter at WR. i said so at the time. i ranked porter 3rd here on potential, regardless of the added negative fact that he already has moss. i wouldve probably gone with Stallworth who has been a consistently better player in his career and may be taking over as the #1 guy.

 

9.06 - at this point, im tempted by the bears defense. they are going to be easily top 5, and they play a very weak schedule. but with my QB being Daunte, i feel a weakness there and need to get my backup QB before the run starts. i need a guy who i know is going to consistently score me points, and i cant believe hes still there: Brett Favre.

 

so thats how my gameplan wouldve worked out with his picks, if you assume i wouldnt have traded at all (which is a bad assumption generally lol). my roster wouldve been...

qb - culpepper, favre

rb - portis, bell, c martin

wr - r moss, ward, coles, stallworth

te - (none)

 

that team is similar in structure to sweetness, but with a few small changes... taking guys with bigger upside in a few cases (portis/ward over tiki/djax), a guy who fits better (stallworth over porter), and one big strategical difference. i waited on QB because i wanted stronger RB/WR. i ended up with bell, a much stronger 3rd RB, and with coles as a starter -- both improvements -- and still had culpepper/favre at QB, both 20 TD guys and i dont feel a lot worse off than the guy with palmer. so thats how i'd have played it differently. a team with some steady hand veterans, but mixed in there with some upside sorts too. i feel like i wouldve been able to challenge with that team.

[SoloMatisse 0]

The funny thing here is that I think you lost everyone except Da Bomb, who for some strange reason seems to agree with almost everything you do, seemingly blindly.

 

What loyalty.

 

But if you look over the last few pages, all you see is people disagreeing with both your picks, and your reasoning for selecting them and you trying to justify it, poorly in many cases.

 

There's simply no excuse to take Porter over Wilford. Not only is Porter the #2 WR on that team, but you already have the #1 on that team. I am a wilford owner in a league for a reason: when Lefty was healthy, Wilford was money. Porter has never lived up to his potential, he's somewhat disgruntled, and you now have all your eggs in one basket. Regardless that you think you can still grab comparable WRs (which I do not agree that you can) you have no business mocking the RB heavy team who has Bennett/Stallworth as his 1-2...at least he has some diversity.

 

When I truly evaluate your team, I think you took the wrong RB in the 1st round, and then made horrible mistakes the whole way through. The result is an old team, with many players returning from injury and not a ton of upside. The funny thing is that people have suggested solid picks throughout and you've ignored them all then made some blanket statement about why your pick was the better one, even if it wasn't. I gotta say, I respect your stubborness. The really interesting thing to me is that whenever others have suggested great picks with upside, you've taken the older, riskier player, then invariably within 2 or 3 picks the guy we suggested was taken...that should be a hint.

 

I just don't think this team will win anything this year. Way too much risk. One man's opinion.

 

Scoot-

 

Ive disagreed with you in the past, and weve butted heads a little, because quite frankly you can be a little buttheaded ( no mean spiritedness inteneded, and we all can be anyways), but I love and appreciate your honesty and respect your opinion. Ill back you up a little here because Sweetness did leave himself a little vulnerable when he didnt have to with too many players coming off injury.

 

 

That is my main concern here for you with this team, 34. Palmer, Moss and Jackson are those Id pinpoint. Now, I choose general optimism with players with the best of them, but I believe in limiting risk. This was not the way to do it. Picking up 3 players with so much uncertaintly is a recipe for disaster . Following up your 2 WR picks with Porter was a little puzzling. Especially with so many comparable WRs on the board as FS has pointed out, with equally promising upside and schedules. Scooter, I cant let you stand alone here so let me break down the team to this point.....but with a little less 'charm'.

 

QBs

This could be a major strength....hinging on Palmer's health and productivity. No doubt he has emerged as the 1 or 2 QB to have in FF, but ACL surgery in Jan/Feb and playing in September definitely worry me.

Now, I got word on another board that JClayton has reported he may not play until week 6. Dont go off here.....I heard he stated this on his radio show over the weekend, but I do not have a link. This is secondary info, so take it for what its worth. Anyway, youve got 5 weeks to lean on Warner, and he may do very well. But that said, Warner continues to be an injury risk himself. He should be able to last thru atleast week 6, but he got hurt earlier than last year if Im not mistaken, so keep your fingers crossed. If they both play and stay healthy, clearly youre at a major advantage here with your Qs.

 

RBs

I love Tiki Barber. I cant say that was a terrible pick. But I have looked over his schedule and its not easy. Sure, no RB's schedule is, but some are just flat out a pain in the tail. Just those 6 division games alone will be a bear, no pun intended. You could have gone with Portis or Cadillac, but I think you made the right pick there. With that said, I think you needed to do better with your 2nd RB pick than Curtis Martin. Im just not feeling that pick. He's old, which is no solid reason to knock him...maybe a small knock....but the Jets are absolutely horrible as a team. Sure, Martin will catch some balls as the Jets are sure to be trailing in just about every game this year, but he's going to get killed. Pennington is a major ??? imo, and if he goes down, theyre picking #1 in '07. I just hate old backs on bad teams. The 1-2 RB punch isnt getting it done. Williams and Rhodes could absolutely be your reprieve, so Im sharing your optimism about your backs because of these 2 guys. Time will tell. Youve balanced it out fairly well with the last 2 picks. Another Greg Jones type wouldnt hurt.

 

WRs

I wont bash Moss. He's been dinged the last couple of years, but he's always a threat to be the top WR in FF. Im feeling you with that philosophy. I just dont like his attitude playing on a bad team, and this will no doubt be a bad team. He's had soft tissue injuries the past 2 years, and he's a little older, and thats a dangerous combination. A #1 WR no doubt, but a slight injury risk. So, my own general rule is if my main guy has slight "IF"s, then back him up with an absolute. DJ is not that. He missed half of last season, and had more surgery this offseason. Im holding my breath for you with him. Hes absolutely rock solid while in the lineup, but no help out of it. Porter...well, that sums up my feeling there.

 

So, I love the upside with this team, but imo there are just too many risks. This will be an interesting team to follow this year, and though Ive gone on record stating youre team may likely struggle, Ill be pulling for you and hope that Im wrong about all of the above. Im sticking with you, and Ill continue to voice my opinion.

[football_scooter 0]

not sure if you are just trying to pick a fight like usual or just not reading, but im definitely not just following everything he does, and im certainly not doing it blindly. for one thing, im pretty much always talking about his next pick. once he makes a pick, thats his prerogative, and if i dont like it, i probably comment quickly and then move forward.

 

Not trying to pick a fight at all...just an observation, and you come across sounding like a lap dog more often than not when you comment quickly.

 

There is a point to discussing some of these picks further - some of them sucked. It's funny how this draft is posted for all to comment on but if anyone says anything negative, they get ripped on for being negative about it...that's probably why so few have been commenting the last few pages.

 

Anyway, each to their own I say. I think he butchered this draft pretty badly - but again, it's just one man's opinion.

 

So, I love the upside with this team, but imo there are just too many risks. This will be an interesting team to follow this year, and though Ive gone on record stating youre team may likely struggle, Ill be pulling for you and hope that Im wrong about all of the above. Im sticking with you, and Ill continue to voice my opinion.

 

Well said - and I think a fair evaluation. Except I'm not feeling the rookie RBs...there's often only one that breaks out every season...did 34 get him? Who knows. Will Rhodes be the man? Maybe - that might have been a saving grace for this draft and could help 34 to compete...

 

But I think it's going to take a hell of a lot of luck for this team to stay healthy.

[Da Bomb 0]

wtf is a lap dog? anyways, i want to know what you think of the draft that i had for myself above. its easy for a lot of you to sit here and criticize picks, but its a lot harder to say what you wouldve done to make it all-world instead. in my opinion, most of you didnt like his barber pick or his djax pick, and nothing hes done since then couldve made you happy. im wondering what if he had taken portis and ward/chambers instead, and i looked at that with my take on his draft.

[football_scooter 0]

wtf is a lap dog? anyways, i want to know what you think of the draft that i had for myself above. its easy for a lot of you to sit here and criticize picks, but its a lot harder to say what you wouldve done to make it all-world instead. in my opinion, most of you didnt like his barber pick or his djax pick, and nothing hes done since then couldve made you happy. im wondering what if he had taken portis and ward/chambers instead, and i looked at that with my take on his draft.

I've consistently stated what he should have done just about every round. If I didn't, it's because someone else already had.

 

It's not just about criticizing...you make it sound like no one offered any reasoning when they were down on a pick. Being critical is part of thinking. You seem to think that we all owe Walter34 something here...I mean, I like the guy and I've been trying to be as kind as possible - but there's some picks I just shake my head at.

 

Since I'm not one to sugar coat anything, and because this draft is being posted for all to see, I'll speak my mind. You keep telling him pick after pick that he did well, regardless. Finally with the Porter pick, you could no longer contain yourself.

 

And for the record, I would have been far more supportive had he taken Portis/Chambers or Portis/Ward. I still would think that Portis/Moss would have been solid, but then take CTaylor or Droughns in the 3rd. I can understand being hesitant about taking an unproven CTaylor there, but the whole, "Droughns in legal trouble" is a bogus excuse, IMO - that will pass like water under the bridge and Walter34 will see that he passed on a quality RB2 and could have gotten a WR2 who's dropoff from DJAx isn't as significant.

 

You aren't the only one who's been justifying your comments.

[Sweetness_34 0]

FYI folks.....I picked up McCardell with my 10.11

 

Now onto 11.06...which is 2 picks away.

[football_scooter 0]

FYI folks.....I picked up McCardell with my 10.11

 

Now onto 11.06...which is 2 picks away.

 

Decent pick...Rivers makes him risky, but I like the upside if Rivers can throw the deep ball at all.

 

This is the 1st pick I've liked for several rounds...nice for depth, and makes up a bit for the Porter blunder.

[Da Bomb 0]

im trying to help the guy. its may, its a real draft, i have time, and its fun to get back into the game. im treating this draft and each pick as if it was my own. regardless of what i think of the past picks, im just trying to make a decision of what is the best upcoming pick at each spot. it doesnt do sweetness any good for people to just come in here and criticize, any more than it does him any good for people to pat him on the back. im consistently looking at and posting numbers and strategies for what seems like the best way to go. if i dont agree with a pick -- djax or palmer for instance -- then i say so, and then i move on and try to figure out what would be the best pick at the next spot. its his draft for crying out loud. im not going to get my panties in a bundle like some of these people when theres a pick i dont agree with. i will post strong opinions and defend them to the death, but i would hate to ever see someone just doing whatever i said. i respect a difference of opinion on players. he obviously likes palmer a lot more than me, for instance.

 

im still wondering what other people wouldve done to change this draft, if you think he mucked it up so badly. i want to see a cumulative effort of what it would look like, instead of just a potshot here and there with another reason he screwed it up. i want to see if i really think the team you come up with is a better contender than the one hes got. i think his team is going to contend, but he needs something to put him over the top. the RBs and WRs are both solid, but not great. he needs palmer to perform like he did last year, so that he essentially got peyton manning in the 4th round -- and if he does, and hes gambling that he will, then he'll make the final four playoff teams and its all luck from there. i want to know if i think the same thing about the team you wouldve assembled scooter. man up.

[football_scooter 0]

it doesnt do sweetness any good for people to just come in here and criticize, any more than it does him any good for people to pat him on the back.

 

And yet you fairly consistently pat him on the back.

 

Fact is that is does do him good to criticize him - he's so overconfident about every pick...I fear that he believes his own rap a little too much. And when there's several people advising him to take a player, and he takes an older, riskier player coming off injury instead, citing something about what the player has done in the past, it makes it really hard to take him seriously. It then becomes something of a laugh when the player that people are saying is a bargain where he's picking is taken within 3 picks of that. Andre Johnson, Chester Taylor & Earnest Wilford are perfect examples of that.

 

I doubt this is the last draft he'll do, but if he doesn't heed ANY of the criticizm then he's doomed to repeat any/all of his mistakes.

 

I have this gut feeling that he's sitting there thinking, "wow, I can't believe all these great players fell to me" when the reality is that no one else wanted to touch many/most of them.

 

I think some criticism can be constructive - many here have offered constructive criticism, I among them. If you don't like it, that's your perogative...and if he doesn't heed the advice of others, that's his perogative.

 

Finally, telling me to "man up" is just asinine at this point. Why spout this sort of rhetoric? I've clearly stated my preferences for players throughout. Learn to read and you'll see exactly the team I'd have assembled.

[Da Bomb 0]

you are the king of "rhetoric" scooter, so dont go there. you are confident with the guys you think would be the perfect team, way more so than any feeling i get from sweetness. im not going back to read through 9 pages of stuff to see what team you might have had. i know you wouldve taken portis. i know youd have taken taylor at 3.5. you probably wouldve taken guys like derrick mason and andre johnson in the 4th. but i want to see the finished product. line your team up next to mine or his, and lets see how they stack up.

[football_scooter 0]

you are the king of "rhetoric" scooter, so dont go there. you are confident with the guys you think would be the perfect team, way more so than any feeling i get from sweetness. im not going back to read through 9 pages of stuff to see what team you might have had. i know you wouldve taken portis. i know youd have taken taylor at 3.5. you probably wouldve taken guys like derrick mason and andre johnson in the 4th. but i want to see the finished product. line your team up next to mine or his, and lets see how they stack up.

 

Actually Mason would have been my 5th round target. I think he was sitting there. But since he had 2X 4th rounders, I would have used the 2nd one on Mason, sure.

 

I am in no way a king of rhetoric, but this is the 3rd personal attack from you in as many posts. Try laying off that crap and we'll get along better. You seem to automatically resort to this when losing an argument.

 

I am confident with my opinion, absolutely - you make it sound like it's a bad thing. And if you're too lazy to read through my comments to see who I'd have picked then I see no reason why I should waste my time doing it either. Who I'd have picked is pointless here - I've already stated it, and it's not my draft. Talk about being king of rhetoric - go toss up another straw man why don't you.