Let's talk about Rudi...

[famousb 11]

Rudi is a guy who i haven't read alot about yet this offseason (which probably means everyone is sleeping on him to some degree, hoping he slides to the 2nd... )

 

but let's talk about him anyway...

 

career stats:

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 2002 cin | 7 | 17 67 3.9 0 | 6 34 5.7 0 |

| 2003 cin | 13 | 215 957 4.5 9 | 21 146 7.0 0 |

| 2004 cin | 16 | 361 1454 4.0 12 | 15 84 5.6 0 |

| 2005 cin | 16 | 337 1458 4.3 12 | 23 90 3.9 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 52 | 930 3936 4.2 33 | 65 354 5.4 0

 

 

last 2 years he's been at the 1500 total yd. mark, with 12 tds - that's a nice spot if he stays consistent there. It translates into 8th & 7th RB (20th & 12th overrall) for 2004 & 2005, respectively. That pretty much also reflects into his ADP of 1.10 (actually 9th player drafted).

The one thing he lacks is receptions and receiving yards, but i'm looking at it non-PPR.

 

But without Carson there to begin the season, there seems to be some speculation that opposing Ds could key more on the run than the last two seasons. I'm not certain if this is really going to be the case because they still have CJ and Housh on the outsides, and their #3 is going to be strong no matter if it's a jailbird or not. Defenses have to respect those WRs no matter who's throwing the rock because it's what they do after the catch that can kill a team. That said, offensively I could also see CIN relying on the run a little more this year in the beginning ESPECIALLY if Palmer is back to try to protect him and get him comfortable back in the pocket.

Maybe even if Palmer isn't there to begin the season, Rudi can turn into a safety valve receiver out of the backfield for Wright - a facet of his game that has been missing thus far.

 

I definitely think he's a quality pick anywhere from 8-12, and i think he could be a legit top 5 threat this year... any thoughts??

[unckeyherb 2]

Rudi is a guy who i haven't read alot about yet this offseason (which probably means everyone is sleeping on him to some degree, hoping he slides to the 2nd... )

 

but let's talk about him anyway...

 

career stats:

| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| 2002 cin | 7 | 17 67 3.9 0 | 6 34 5.7 0 |

| 2003 cin | 13 | 215 957 4.5 9 | 21 146 7.0 0 |

| 2004 cin | 16 | 361 1454 4.0 12 | 15 84 5.6 0 |

| 2005 cin | 16 | 337 1458 4.3 12 | 23 90 3.9 0 |

+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+

| TOTAL | 52 | 930 3936 4.2 33 | 65 354 5.4 0

last 2 years he's been at the 1500 total yd. mark, with 12 tds - that's a nice spot if he stays consistent there. It translates into 8th & 7th RB (20th & 12th overrall) for 2004 & 2005, respectively. That pretty much also reflects into his ADP of 1.10 (actually 9th player drafted).

The one thing he lacks is receptions and receiving yards, but i'm looking at it non-PPR.

 

But without Carson there to begin the season, there seems to be some speculation that opposing Ds could key more on the run than the last two seasons. I'm not certain if this is really going to be the case because they still have CJ and Housh on the outsides, and their #3 is going to be strong no matter if it's a jailbird or not. Defenses have to respect those WRs no matter who's throwing the rock because it's what they do after the catch that can kill a team. That said, offensively I could also see CIN relying on the run a little more this year in the beginning ESPECIALLY if Palmer is back to try to protect him and get him comfortable back in the pocket.

Maybe even if Palmer isn't there to begin the season, Rudi can turn into a safety valve receiver out of the backfield for Wright - a facet of his game that has been missing thus far.

 

I definitely think he's a quality pick anywhere from 8-12, and i think he could be a legit top 5 threat this year... any thoughts??

 

 

well, FFT projections have him #5 behind LT, LJ, SA and Tiki. I personally think if you can snag him at 12 and follow that pick with Caddy or McGahee you'd be off to a hell of a start. No way he lasts past 6-7 though IMO. I will say that everything I've been reading recently point to Palmer coming back for the whole season, and I think its is fair to think that they might run a bit more and dump off little screeens till he feels comfortable in the pocket. If that doesn't happen, and Palmer waits for three or four weeks, I think Rudi takes a dip in stats. While Defenses DO have to respect those WR's, its only to point. They will line up more to stop the run.

[cinciman7 2]

All signs from Cincy poit to Palmer being there.

Rudi will improve this year based on the improved "D".

There will be more grind out the clock games this year.

[Peens 0]

I tend to shy away from Rudi in PPR Dynasty leagues. I just have an uneasy feeling that if he ever misses anytime due to an injury he might not get his job back with Perry lurking. Throw in the fact that he doesnt catch alot of passes and I pass him up everytime.

 

I think he is a very good RB, nothing special and should continue with very steady numbers if he stays healthy.

[shovelheadt 71]

I'd say we've seen his peak, but I don't think he'll back down off of it much. He'll be good for 1300-1400 yrds. And like someone else mentioned, so far so good on the Palmer front.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

No offense to Rudi but I'd like to see Perry take his job. Sure, I'm a University of Michigan homer but Perry is more of the total package than Rudi could ever hope to be. He was also a major workhorse. Injuries weren't a concern at Michigan at all. He would carry the ball over 30 times a game and would just take the wind out of the sails of opposing teams. Plus he's a great receiver which Rudi isn't.

 

I agree that if Rudi does get an injury, Perry could step in a take his job. He has the skills to become a top five back in that offense without Rudi.

[burgerific 0]

No offense to Rudi but I'd like to see Perry take his job. Sure, I'm a University of Michigan homer but Perry is more of the total package than Rudi could ever hope to be. He was also a major workhorse. Injuries weren't a concern at Michigan at all. He would carry the ball over 30 times a game and would just take the wind out of the sails of opposing teams. Plus he's a great receiver which Rudi isn't.

 

I agree that if Rudi does get an injury, Perry could step in a take his job. He has the skills to become a top five back in that offense without Rudi.

1. You're definately a Michigan homer.
   
2. Since we've never seen Perry as a feature back for so much as a game, let alone an entire season, saying he's "more of the total package than Rudi could ever be" is completely unfounded.
   
3. He was a major workhorse...in college! So was Travis Prentice. Who? Exactly.
   
4. Perry missed more than half of 2004 with ankle and abdominal strains, and finished the season in IR.
   
5. Chris Perry. 30 carries/game. Get real.
   
6. The fact that he's a good reciever makes him a perfect 3rd down back...which he is.
   
7. Rudi Johnson doesn't get injured, that's why he's been a top 10 RB the past two seasons. So don't hold your breath.
   

[tecklc2112 7]

1. He was a major workhorse...in college! So was Travis Prentice. Who? Exactly.
   

 

Played at Miami(OH), drafted by Cleveland, went nowhere in the NFL.

 

If Rudi would just catch some passes, I would be all over his bandwagon, but I pass him up every year due to my league's ppr format.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

1. You're definately a Michigan homer.
   
2. Since we've never seen Perry as a feature back for so much as a game, let alone an entire season, saying he's "more of the total package than Rudi could ever be" is completely unfounded.
   
3. He was a major workhorse...in college! So was Travis Prentice. Who? Exactly.
   
4. Perry missed more than half of 2004 with ankle and abdominal strains, and finished the season in IR.
   
5. Chris Perry. 30 carries/game. Get real.
   
6. The fact that he's a good reciever makes him a perfect 3rd down back...which he is.
   
7. Rudi Johnson doesn't get injured, that's why he's been a top 10 RB the past two seasons. So don't hold your breath.
   

 

You need to relax...

1 - I stated I was a U of M homer, thanks for your redundance.

2 - Would you not agree he's a better receiving back? Why does Rudi come out of the game on passing downs?

3 - He hasn't gotten a chance to be the workhorse in the NFL....in my opinion only because of injuries.

4 - Perry got hurt. So what? So have many other backs. So could Rudi.

5 - I am real, what are you? He carried the ball over 30 times in 3 games his senior year at Michigan. 31 carries and 3 td's in a 38-0 win over Notre Dame. 31 carries and 2 td's in a 35-21 defeat of Ohio State. And a whopping 51 carries and 1 td in a 27-20 victory over Michigan State. That's the REAL truth.

6 - He can do so much more than just receive. He can do everything.

7 - Now that you've said that Rudi probably will go down with an ACL this year. It can happen to anyone and you know it. Stop being ridiculous.

[burgerific 0]

You need to relax...

1 - I stated I was a U of M homer, thanks for your redundance.

2 - Would you not agree he's a better receiving back? Why does Rudi come out of the game on passing downs?

3 - He hasn't gotten a chance to be the workhorse in the NFL....in my opinion only because of injuries.

4 - Perry got hurt. So what? So have many other backs. So could Rudi.

5 - I am real, what are you? He carried the ball over 30 times in 3 games his senior year at Michigan. 31 carries and 3 td's in a 38-0 win over Notre Dame. 31 carries and 2 td's in a 35-21 defeat of Ohio State. And a whopping 51 carries and 1 td in a 27-20 victory over Michigan State. That's the REAL truth.

6 - He can do so much more than just receive. He can do everything.

7 - Now that you've said that Rudi probably will go down with an ACL this year. It can happen to anyone and you know it. Stop being ridiculous.

Ever hear the one about not being able to win an argument with an idiot? You win. I hope you and Chris are very happy together.

[Jarvis Basnight 119]

Ever hear the one about not being able to win an argument with an idiot? You win. I hope you and Chris are very happy together.

 

That was mildly humorous. You are mildly funny.

 

Again, you need to relax.

 

What makes Rudi so great for you to believe he's so much better than Perry? Cincinnati drafted Perry awfully high to just use him as a situational back.

[Skeets 0]

Rudi is a good back, on a high-powered offense with a great QB. And his numbers prove it. However, he's a one-dimensional back. I tend to agree with Basnight. Perry not only can run, but he can catch passes out of the backfield. He'd make the Bengals a multi-dimensional offense, and would allow Palmer to become even better since defenses would need to be honest, not knowing whether to play the run or pass with Perry in the game. Perry was healthy in college, but he needs to stay healthy in the pro's to prove it. The Bengals weren't certain they'd resign Rudi, but when Perry was hurt during his rookie season, they resigned Rudi only because Perry was hurt. Still, I'd be concerned if I was a Rudi owner.

[gatorbait7391 0]

slip to the 2nd? Hes a top 8 pick in every draft ive seen.

[wizbang 10]

I'd say we've seen his peak, but I don't think he'll back down off of it much. He'll be good for 1300-1400 yrds. And like someone else mentioned, so far so good on the Palmer front.

 

I agree with this. Even if Palmer is slow coming back, Cincy still has Chad Johnson and Housh and Rudi is a power runner. I think he should be able to repeat his performance but as you said, I think he has also reached his peak (but hey, it's a pretty high peak).

[gatorbait7391 0]

Ever hear the one about not being able to win an argument with an idiot? You win. I hope you and Chris are very happy together.

yea his points were awful, guess you just couldnt get throught to the guy.

[ellisonb11 0]

slip to the 2nd? Hes a top 8 pick in every draft ive seen.

 

in PPR leagues rudi isnt so appealing. i dont see him falling to the 2nd, but definately to the 9-12 picks.

[HardTack 0]

That was mildly humorous. You are mildly funny.

 

Again, you need to relax.

 

What makes Rudi so great for you to believe he's so much better than Perry? Cincinnati drafted Perry awfully high to just use him as a situational back.

 

 

If you were a GM or coach...You gonna sit a 1500/12 guy for Chris Perry regardless of where he was drafted?? Rudi is proven...though i do agree that Perry has skills....he will not supplant Rudi any time soon.