onejayhawk 3 Posted July 17, 2006 Darius Watts is quietly looking solid, and Ashley has gone on a date, but Javon Walker is now in camp. Eric Parker is on a team built around LT and Gates, with a new QB, but no one else is a burner. Samie Parker is on a team with a new focus on the running game, with a new HC, OC and scheme, but he is now the official starter and a true deep threat on a team that should throw deep. Raushan Woods is a 1st rounder that some see as bust and some as relocated out of a pit. Michael Jenkins is also a 1st rounder, but Michael Vick is his QB, and White is faster and probably better. Bernard Berian is a middle round pick in Chicago, but has moved up a lot of charts. Ernest Wilford ditto in Jax, with a better WR system and no Jimmy Smith, but with Matt Jones. I also direct you to Waldman's excellent column on breakout WR's. He gives break downs on several of this group. Did I miss anyone? I like both Parkers middling late, and Woods as a flier. Are any of these guys worth taking in the top 120 picks? J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pacman_fl 0 Posted July 17, 2006 I have Parker at 129, Jenkins at 138 and Parker at 152. In my Dynasty, one of these could easily end top 120 (since they move up sightly over aging vets). In a redraft, if the flow is going right, it would make sense. My rankings are strictly off projections and VBD, so your feelings may differ. All 3 have good POTENTIAL situations (McCardell and Kennison are not spring chickens and IF Vick can figure it out, Jenkins and White will both out perform there current ADP). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onejayhawk 3 Posted July 17, 2006 I have Parker at 129, Jenkins at 138 and Parker at 152. In my Dynasty, one of these could easily end top 120 (since they move up sightly over aging vets). In a redraft, if the flow is going right, it would make sense. My rankings are strictly off projections and VBD, so your feelings may differ. All 3 have good POTENTIAL situations (McCardell and Kennison are not spring chickens and IF Vick can figure it out, Jenkins and White will both out perform there current ADP). Which Parker is which? I think you might add "or if Vick gets hurt" in there at the end. Rod Smith is getting younger. Right? J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pacman_fl 0 Posted July 17, 2006 I guess I should have clarified. Sammie - I have seen Dante in limited WR time be wide open due to his speed and I think Sammie has speed AND natural WR skill (and I am NOT a Chief fan, so that means something I guess) For SD, I am higher on Vince Jackson for my keeper league, but neither for my redraft. I haven't been impressed with Watts in his limited time. Plus, if couldn't beat out Lelie last year, I don't think he will ever be a 1 of 2 (just my opnion). Come Sept 1, Wilford COULD be the best of the bunch, but not today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuse9 129 Posted July 17, 2006 Darius Watts is quietly looking solid, and Ashley has gone on a date, but Javon Walker is now in camp.Eric Parker is on a team built around LT and Gates, with a new QB, but no one else is a burner. Samie Parker is on a team with a new focus on the running game, with a new HC, OC and scheme, but he is now the official starter and a true deep threat on a team that should throw deep. Raushan Woods is a 1st rounder that some see as bust and some as relocated out of a pit. Michael Jenkins is also a 1st rounder, but Michael Vick is his QB, and White is faster and probably better. Bernard Berian is a middle round pick in Chicago, but has moved up a lot of charts. Ernest Wilford ditto in Jax, with a better WR system and no Jimmy Smith, but with Matt Jones. J Michael Clayton ended the year on waivers wires....piece of crap. I like Samie Parker to really step up this year. Ernest Wilford is the perfect situation to have a great year. I like Berrian, but hate that offense, plus I think a healthy Bradley will start over Berrian. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
De Novo 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Because so many magazines focus on the 3 year theory, it's getting very tough to get good value out of 3rd year WRs. Somebody will likely reach on Wilford and Sammie Parker in the 7th round. If they slip in your draft, great, but I think that trying to predict who is going to be the man and then outbidding everyone else isn't in your best interest. Most studs break out in their 2nd year anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Let Da Big Dog Eat 40 Posted July 17, 2006 None of these guys will I draft. Maybe not WW fodder, but, right now, the guys I am looking at as later picks are Burleson and KRob. Now, they could be had late and play every week for you. As we get closer, and see if Simms "gets it" Clayton could be a diamond as everyone hates him now. But, from this list, Wilford is currently a #3 so I would go E Parker, just because he starts. I would expect that before the real bullets fly tho that Wilford will take the starting job and would be my pick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mr.shitty 0 Posted July 17, 2006 i would take any ATL WRs off your list as long as vick is there Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shox 0 Posted July 17, 2006 I have Parker at 129, Jenkins at 138 and Parker at 152. In my Dynasty, one of these could easily end top 120 (since they move up sightly over aging vets). In a redraft, if the flow is going right, it would make sense. My rankings are strictly off projections and VBD, so your feelings may differ. All 3 have good POTENTIAL situations (McCardell and Kennison are not spring chickens and IF Vick can figure it out, Jenkins and White will both out perform there current ADP). You have (Parker) a starting WR at 152???????????? Not to mention he plays for the most productive offense in the NFL the past few years. WOW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pacman_fl 0 Posted July 17, 2006 You have (Parker) a starting WR at 152???????????? Not to mention he plays for the most productive offense in the NFL the past few years. WOW. Sammie at 129, Eric at 152. And yes, I have him that low (just an opinion). Being the 2nd WR in KC doesn't mean THAT much to me until one of them does something (besides Kennison, who has been a quality Chief WR lately - and there have been other #2's). LJ's #1, Tony G is #2, Kennison is #3. #4 option (even with all the yardage) is not that great if he isn't a definite every week starter. I think the preseaon could bring him up my rankings, but that is what I see today. The "potent" KC offense has been 2,500 rush/receiving yards by the backs, 1000+ by Kennison and Tony and then what else? As I said, just my thoughts for now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sportslitter 0 Posted July 17, 2006 ernest wilford won't even be a starter in Jax, even though he is the most talented WR on the team. Jax is still hung up on giving Reggie Williams (also in his 3rd year) a chance to be that number 1 WR. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted July 17, 2006 IMHO, J-Ville receivers get better #'s when Gerrard takes over...Lefty ain't shown me much yet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RamslovaMartzhata 3 Posted July 17, 2006 Darius Watts is quietly looking solid, and Ashley has gone on a date, but Javon Walker is now in camp.Eric Parker is on a team built around LT and Gates, with a new QB, but no one else is a burner. Samie Parker is on a team with a new focus on the running game, with a new HC, OC and scheme, but he is now the official starter and a true deep threat on a team that should throw deep. Raushan Woods is a 1st rounder that some see as bust and some as relocated out of a pit. Michael Jenkins is also a 1st rounder, but Michael Vick is his QB, and White is faster and probably better. Bernard Berian is a middle round pick in Chicago, but has moved up a lot of charts. Ernest Wilford ditto in Jax, with a better WR system and no Jimmy Smith, but with Matt Jones. I also direct you to Waldman's excellent column on breakout WR's. He gives break downs on several of this group. Did I miss anyone? I like both Parkers middling late, and Woods as a flier. Are any of these guys worth taking in the top 120 picks? J I disagee with most of your list.. and also, your thread title talks about guys on the waiver wire and then your post indicates guys in the first 120 picks? Wilford is the only guy I would even consider drafting in rd 10 or before (I am assuming it's a 12 teamer). Watts - #4 on the depth chart, and doens't have the skills Lelie has.. not to mention it is a run first O. Only will be worth picking up due to injury or Leleie falls that far in the doghouse. Parker - I like Vincent Jackson better from a fantasy perspetive. Keep a close eye in preseason, but size matters. Woods - plays for the Niners.. their TE's are their two best threats IMO. Jenkins - White is the guy who has been working with Vick, is more talented, and can be had late in teh drafts. Still until Vick can prove he can get it done... I'd steer clear of drafting any WR from Atlanta Berian - Bradley seems to be the guy who is more liekly to succeed. Still, it doens't help that all play in the windy city. Wilford - only player I like on your list. Worth taking a flier in the last couple rounds of deeper drafts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parja 0 Posted July 17, 2006 and also, your thread title talks about guys on the waiver wire and then your post indicates guys in the first 120 picks? Guess you skipped right over the "last year" part. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RamslovaMartzhata 3 Posted July 17, 2006 Guess you skipped right over the "last year" part. My bad. Then the answer is no Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmartassBoiler 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Woods - plays for the Niners.. their TE's are their two best threats IMO. Actually he was traded to the Chargers in the offseason. If you check out Wildman's article on "Below the Radar", he mentions some positive things about Woods. Woods is not worth drafting unless he shines in the pre-season, but he's someone worth keeping an eye on to see if he re-emerges in SD now that he's out of the hellhole SF offense. Given they have no proven WR outside of McCardell, he's landed in a pretty good situation for potential playing time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RamslovaMartzhata 3 Posted July 17, 2006 Actually he was traded to the Chargers in the offseason. If you check out Wildman's article on "Below the Radar", he mentions some positive things about Woods. Woods is not worth drafting unless he shines in the pre-season, but he's someone worth keeping an eye on to see if he re-emerges in SD now that he's out of the hellhole SF offense. Given they have no proven WR outside of McCardell, he's landed in a pretty good situation for potential playing time. Man, I am off today... in fact, that is something that had slipped by my attention all together . That sheds a whole new light on the situation, but I still would not draft him unles he really breaks out in traning camp and solidifies himself as the #2. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onejayhawk 3 Posted July 17, 2006 Actually he was traded to the Chargers in the offseason. If you check out Wildman's article on "Below the Radar", he mentions some positive things about Woods. Woods is not worth drafting unless he shines in the pre-season, but he's someone worth keeping an eye on to see if he re-emerges in SD now that he's out of the hellhole SF offense. Given they have no proven WR outside of McCardell, he's landed in a pretty good situation for potential playing time. One thing slipped me when I was laying this out is WHERE Woods wound up. He really impacts Erick Parker, who is smallish, and more quick than fast. I agree with the comments about Watts. It does not seem that Denver sees him in a large role, but with Smith being downright slow, and Walker as another physical WR, Watts is the only burner now that AL is gone. My reservation about Samie Parker is Craphonso Thorpe. The Chiefs badly need a reall deep threat in this scheme, and both these guys can fly. As SABoiler said about Woods, most of these guys are not worth drafting, except as long odds dice rolls, but I would lay cash money that at least ONE of them produces WR1 numbers this year. J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ER MAN 0 Posted July 18, 2006 ernest wilford won't even be a starter in Jax, even though he is the most talented WR on the team. Jax is still hung up on giving Reggie Williams (also in his 3rd year) a chance to be that number 1 WR. Yeah, Williams has showed absolutely NOTHING and somehow he still has a job. Interesting.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites