Reggie Bush

[Gepetto 1,366]

1st year keeper league. Start: 1 QB, 2 RB, 2 WR, 1 TE, 1 PK, 1 D.

Scoring: 1 pt per 10 yards rushing/receiving, 6 pts for rushing/receiving TD, 1 pt per 25 yds passing, 4 pts passing TD.

 

Is Reggie Bush the real deal??? What about two, three years from now?

 

I have him ranked at #27 overall and #16 Running Back (after McGahee, J.Jones, D. Davis; and before Droughns, W. Parker, Dunn, K. Jones).

 

I'm not sure if Carson Palmer should be ranked ahead of him or not. I guess I'd like to draft Carson ahead of Reggie but I feel like Carson Palmer could fall to the 5th or 6th round).

 

What about Tom Brady and Donovan McNabb - do you rank them ahead of Reggie Bush or not?

 

Roy Williams vs. Reggie Bush?

 

I have 9 Wide Receivers and Antonio Gates, Peyton Manning, and 15 Running Backs ranked ahead of Bush.

 

Do I have him ranked too high?

 

Why or why not?

 

Who would you draft ahead of him that I might be overlooking?

 

I guess I see him producing similar to Brian Westbrook but that's if Deuce McCallister wasn't there. But, it's a keeper league (keep 3).

 

discuss...

[Fumbleweed 546]

I think Bush is the hardest guy in the whole draft to rank........so I'll be interested in how this discussion goes.

[Vikings4ever 550]

With his ADP in the late 3rd/early 4th, I'm not going to touch him. I'd consider him in the late 4th, but he's not going to last that long. Let someone else reach for that RBBC.

[pacman_fl 0]

Typical answers have been "rated too high", "I will pass", "I can't take him until the 4th or 5th", BUT most of those have been for re-drafts. I have went back and forth as well, but have him 38th in a re-draft (knowing that I may have to make that decicion in my 14 team re-draft for the 3rd round) and 21 for my 1st year Dynasty (behind Westbrook, JJ and FWP and all the Tier 1 WR's). I would be ok taking him early round 3 in the Dynasty since he would be a RB2 at that point and you can pick up a veteran back in the 4th or 5th (or take Deuce as a handcuff). The upside significantly outweights the risk for a keeper pick and if he is everything the Saints hoped, Deuce may be gone at the end of the year (if he rebounds). Of course that is just specualtion since nobody really knows. His re-draft status should be judged based on how long he takes to sign and how he looks in camp.

[steelers2101 7]

I shoot for potential when it comes to keepers, and I like to give myself the highest ceiling possible, which is why I took Larry Johnson in the 4th round of our 1st year keeper league last year. Now I have LT, LJ and CJ and it really doesn't get any better than that for a keeper.

 

I think you have him in the right spot in your rankings. Definitely keep him in front of those other players, as he has far greater keeper value even if he doesn't give you that value this year.

 

I'd take him early third in a keeper as he won't be available in the late 4th. And if you've got a late pick, I take him in the third, because your 4th pick won't be much worse than who you wouldn't have got in the late 3rd but you don't run the risk of not getting him.

 

Do you really think if Reggie Bush performs pretty well splitting carries this year that he won't have a starting job all to himself next year?

[lguero1 4]

RBBC on a team that will probably be passing every down to catch up to their opponenets. i can see NO using Bush like Cinci uses Perry. I have him ranked 33 on my RB list, behind GB #1 (whoever that is), and way behind Deuce. i don't like the situation but the NO's papers have him hyped up and they think he is going to be THE ONE. even if Deuce gets the GL carries, like LenDale did at USC, would you want your RB2 losing his GL carries?

 

if a situation smells crappy and looks crappy, it is probably crappy. i am in a wait and see mode with this situation and i am calling by buddies from NO for this situation.

[De Novo 0]

With his ADP in the late 3rd/early 4th, I'm not going to touch him. I'd consider him in the late 4th, but he's not going to last that long. Let someone else reach for that RBBC.

 

Exactly. I have him as being about the 28th best RB, which means I wouldn't touch him until at least the 4th round and I think I'd rather draft a Gates (if available) or 12-15 WR at that point.

[mdubz 0]

keeper is much different than a redraft. i'd probably have him in the top 15 (rbs) in keeper but in redraft, i have him about 25.

[pacman_fl 0]

keeper is much different than a redraft. i'd probably have him in the top 15 (rbs) in keeper but in redraft, i have him about 25.

 

Thanks for pointing that out again. The original question (I believe) was for keeper value. Everyone may feel the same way for keeper rankings too, but they could be related to Charlie Casserly (JOKING PEOPLE)

[fantasytool 0]

RBBC on a team that will probably be passing every down to catch up to their opponenets. i can see NO using Bush like Cinci uses Perry. I have him ranked 33 on my RB list, behind GB #1 (whoever that is), and way behind Deuce. i don't like the situation but the NO's papers have him hyped up and they think he is going to be THE ONE. even if Deuce gets the GL carries, like LenDale did at USC, would you want your RB2 losing his GL carries?

 

if a situation smells crappy and looks crappy, it is probably crappy. i am in a wait and see mode with this situation and i am calling by buddies from NO for this situation.

 

 

 

This is the first time I have ever seen the word "crappy" used in relation to Reggie Bush. I dont think Reggie Bush is in a "crappy" situation. Deuce McAllister is coming off a pretty bad knee injury, I would like to see how he handles all the GL carries and between the tackles carries. Deuce had a propensity to get knicked up anyway. Remember the ankle issues a couple of years ago? And, it does not matter if Bush does lose the GL carries, the guy could be on his own goalline and take it to the house. Basically, Reggie Bush is kind of in a goalline situation anywhere on the field. He is that big of an impact player.

 

OK, have you guys seen Reggie Bush play football???? He is very very GOOD. I know, that lateral against Texas was pretty bad. But, everyone makes a bad play once in a while.....

 

Also, if NO is forced to use the pass, as some have said, because they are trailing their games, then this plays into Reggie Bush having stellar receiving stats as well. All this talk about Reggie Bush being too small it laughable - the same stuff was said about Marshall Faulk and look how that turned out. I personally think Reggie Bush is the next coming of Marshall Faulk, that is the best comparison.

 

As for a keeper league, I think Reggie Bush has to be in the top 25, no question. I am in a keeper league where each team keeps from 3 to 5 players each year. Reggie Bush will absolutely be the first pick in the draft.

[Woooo 0]

After all of this hype, and after picking him 2nd in the draft....does anyone think that if Bush is ready, he's going to be brought in slowly? I think it's laughable.

 

Yeah, Deuce takes value away, but this is not a normal vet vs rookie like situation. The Saints are going to use Bush as much as they feel like it helps them win games. If that's 15, 20, 25 touches in a game, you're going to see that.

 

I just don't see decisions made to placate Deuce McAllister. Reggie Bush was never going to be a 300 carry RB, at least not in my mind. He's not a traditional RB. He's a weapon that can be used as both a rb and a wr, and will be. He might also be used as a return man. You can't just give him the ball 20 times on carries and say "there....I'm using Reggie to his potential".

 

Basically, if you like Brian Westbrook, you should love Reggie Bush. The Saints will run more than Philly has in past years. Would it shock anyone if Bush gets 200 carries? 5 yards a pop? That's 1000 yds, and given how Payton is scheming the O around Bush and his role in the passing game, I'd expect 50 catches as a floor if he plays 16 games.

 

Even with Bush playing the Lendale White role, Bush has the potential to get 1500-1800 total yards with a healthy Deuce. Even if you think the Saints stink, the impact on Bush is minimalized b/c of his pass receiving skills...if the Saints are down 10 in the 4th, if anything, DEUCE is going to be on the sideline.

 

I'd be with ya'll on near any other rookie....but I don't believe that Deuce carrying the load gives the Saints a better chance to win than Bush, nor do I think the media and fans will give NO that choice.

 

I look at Bush like Westbrook's clone this season, Deuce or no, and expect him to take majority carries.