Important. Question for all Commishioners

[Ummaguma15 0]

Last night i was offered a trade

Shaun Alexander,Braylon Edwards Reggie Williams

I give up Rex Grossman Darrell Jackson DeAngelo williams

of course i acceped it

 

I want everyone to know i have not talked to the person who offred me the trade in weeks

but the commishioner in my leauge will not allow the trade

 

 

Is this common practice

I realize this makes my team very strong...but is the commish looking out for himself

is this fair

 

 

my team is in my signature....i add dropped trent Green for grossman (if you do not see him on there)

i apperciate all responses whether positive or negative

and apperciate all who take time out of their day to respond

 

I have made numerous trade attempts for Alexander giving him better ranked players

but have not spoken to him or have any contact with the other player

and would never cheat or try to cheapen the league

 

please help

 

 

 

Ummaguma

[Quickolas1 80]

well there's no fault on your part for sure

i never just decline deals, people have to nominate them for vote, be 2nded and then more than 50% must overturn. using these means, most are weeded out that just want to overturn a deal because they dont like it. having said that, i'd want to know the psychology of the other owner. what did he say about his offer? if he fights for it, no overturn.

[buffandan 0]

I have an asst commish and treasurer that are always consulted on trade evaluations, and everyone in the league knows it. So they always know that unless the three of us were conspiring that all rulings are well thought out and unbiased. Maybe you could request something like that going forward even though it might not help you now.

 

I also agree that you should get both you and the other owner to ask the commish why he turned it down. It's not his job to manage your teams and while this trade might seem a little slanted to him, he shouldn't discourage trades. That's half the fun of fantasy.

 

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[beanshort 0]

seems like a terribly one-sided trade.....but everyone sees things differently. maybe he knows something we don't about grossman and deangelo?

 

anyhow, aside from what others have said (go to the commish and ask him why he vetoed, talk to the other owner, etc.), i might suggest running the total points on each player currently to confirm that the trade actually ISN'T that lopsided (even though it is, of course).

[cfarrell2 0]

Thats funny, because I am the commish. Now I never said I would not veto the trade. The trade is still pending based on the votes of the other ppl in the leagues since this such a lopsided trade. Here is the message for everyone.

 

BrettJ and BillC want to make a trade.

Brettj offers Shaun Alexander Braylon Edwards Reggie Williams

Billy gives Rex Grossman Darrell Jackson DeAngelo williams

 

Even throu this is a dumb trade on someones part I am inclined to allow the trade. I will let it go to a vote. So let me know by a yes or no.

 

So this would be what the other guy gets.

J Delhomme

C Pennington

W Dunn

S Alexander

T Glenn

M Jenkins

R Williams

C Johnson

B Edwards

V Davis

D Clark

J Brown

M Vanderjagt

R Bush

D Falcons

D Bills

 

Tell me how this trade helps the other guy in any other way.

Now if they both tried to do this in our $1000 buy in league this would never be allowed.

[moviedude25 0]

Thats funny, because I am the commish. Now I never said I would not veto the trade. The trade is still pending based on the votes of the other ppl in the leagues since this such a lopsided trade. Here is the message for everyone.

 

 

I feel for you. I am the commishioner in 3 different leagues and being in this position sometimes the other players make it very hard on you. This is a loopsided trade no doubt about this. Wether or not there was collusion to cause it is not known. Here is what I tell all the players in my games...

 

If a trade is proposed and accepted it will be put for a 3 day vote. If 4 out of the 10 players not in the trade veto the trade it will not be canceled. I will take the trade to a 3rd party source and allow strangers to determine the fate of the trade. The results will determine the trade. The reason I do this is because I want to keep personal feelings out of trades and the 3rd party source is best to solve this. And I don't want to make those that made the trade veto other trades out of spite. Being the commishioner is a thankless job and hard when people quit or collude to sway it in one direction to benefit themselves.

[beefalo 0]

If there was no evidence of collusion, I would allow it, but it does seem one sided. SA may be hurt, and DW may be one week away from being a fantasy stud. who knows, but taking risks is all part of the game.

[beanshort 0]

in my humble opinion, allowing other players in a league to vote on whether or not a trade should be allowed is not practical or fair.

 

the basic tenet of trades is to make both teams better.

if i'm another owner in the league, i don't want ANY trades to happen that i'm not involved with.

allowing me to vote on potential trades leaves the potential for me to say no to trades that will better teams that i'm in competition with.

 

the commissioner's position is a thankless, grueling job......but the person running the show must have a strong personality, be unbiased, and be unafraid of the inevitable grumblers.

 

the trade mentioned above should go through, unless there is other information that points to collusion. the decision should be made by the commissioner, or a panel of unbiased members (or strangers, as someone proposed earlier). these members/strangers must ALWAYS keep in mind that everyone thinks a little differently about players, and that the only REAL reason to deny a trade is due to the probability of collusion.

 

THE ONLY REASON TO VETO A TRADE IS DUE TO COLLUSION. STUPIDITY IS NOT A REASON!!

[Ummaguma15 0]

in my humble opinion, allowing other players in a league to vote on whether or not a trade should be allowed is not practical or fair.

 

the basic tenet of trades is to make both teams better.

if i'm another owner in the league, i don't want ANY trades to happen that i'm not involved with.

allowing me to vote on potential trades leaves the potential for me to say no to trades that will better teams that i'm in competition with.

 

the commissioner's position is a thankless, grueling job......but the person running the show must have a strong personality, be unbiased, and be unafraid of the inevitable grumblers.

 

the trade mentioned above should go through, unless there is other information that points to collusion. the decision should be made by the commissioner, or a panel of unbiased members (or strangers, as someone proposed earlier). these members/strangers must ALWAYS keep in mind that everyone thinks a little differently about players, and that the only REAL reason to deny a trade is due to the probability of collusion.

 

THE ONLY REASON TO VETO A TRADE IS DUE TO COLLUSION. STUPIDITY IS NOT A REASON!!

 

 

that is what i thought

i am gonna get screwed

 

i need more to commishes to comment on this post

 

 

what are the reasons to veto a trade

[bobpate17 0]

I am commis in my league and to be honest I would have denied this trade too. I am willing to pay gore and wayne or Jax and wayne for alexander and if u get alexander that would make most of ommis have dought in their mind. you can over turn it if other guy has good reason for trading alexander and/or 50% league says it's ok.

 

thanks for mine.

[ricanrockers 39]

All I can say is if the Commish veto's it then you have the right to have the league vote on the trade. This way it's a check and balance sort of way. Sometimes, these leagues give the commish to much power. In our leagues we all vote on trades. As for a vote....good luck

[scottlaroc 0]

I've been running a keeper leaue for 7 years and we have a vote process. If you vote NO you are to e-mail the commish and co-commish with a coherent reason for the no vote. We have never blocked a trade with this process.

Your deal is one of the MOST lopsided I have ever seen. As Commish I would suggest to both of you that you work out a "better" trade, but allow it if both parties give their reasons for making the deal. For example if your guy stated that he feels like SA will decline this year due to the loss of Hutch, the Superbowl hangover, Madden curse, bla bla bla. Whatever the reasons, they are his reasons (stupid? maybe, but his) then after all that, I'd allow it.

[throttlers 0]

I am commissioner in 2 leagues right now. I have run quite a few leagues over the last 8 years. My take on this is simple. I don't believe a commish should ever veto or even bring a trade up for vote unless it is obvious collusion. I have only seen 2 conditions that qualify as obvious collusion. The first would be a player late in the season who has no chance of making the playoffs making lopsided trades that help a team that is headed for the playoffs. The 2nd would be 2 players trading for a week or 2 and then trading back if it helped one or both teams because of byes or matchups. Outside of this, I would almost never question a trade. Stupid trades to not qualify as obvious collusion. If an owner benefits because another owner was stupid, then so be it. It happens, suck it up. It's much better than pissing off owners because you are accussing them of trying to cheat. It would probably piss me off if I were making a trade and it got vetoed, so I'm not going to do it to them. I think in 8 years I called for a vote on 2 trades. If yo ureally think people in your league are trying to be dishonest, then you might need to reconsider who is in your league.

[madd futher mucker 36]

to the commish: Normally as Commish, as a minimum, you should have asked questions of both owners and gotten their rationale, voiced your concern, and suggested the trade might be vetoed, suggesting to both that they should rework the trade to make it more balanced.

 

If the trade did not get reworked, you must follow your standard league veto procedure, whatever it is. You did not say what the standard league procedure is. Do ALL trades get voted on? If so, you should have kept your personal feelings out of it and let it go for a vote (if the commish has a vote, your vote would be 'no trade'.) Do you have veto power that can be overruled by league vote? IF YOU HAVE SOLE DISCRETION ABOUT VETOES AND THERE IS NO PROCEDURE FOR VOTING, YOU CANNOT CREATE ONE NOW and I DON'T SEE HOW YOU CAN VETO this trade, regardless how dumb YOU think it is. Good luck!

 

AS COMMISH, I THINK YOU BLEW IT - YOU SHOULD NOT HAVE VOICED YOUR PERSONAL OPINION ABOUT THE TRADE TO THE REST OF THE LEAGUE NO MATTER WHAT- SPECIFICALLY THE DUMB TRADE COMMENT. You handled it badly so far - NOW see if you can still get these two to voluntarily rework the trade. If not, follow your normal league procedure and let the chips fall where they may at this point.

 

To the player: It might be in your interest to re-work the trade into a more acceptible deal. It will probably be vetoed anyway - given your commishioner's comment. You will get a lot more respect from the rest of the league.

[dalie 2]

Thats funny, because I am the commish. Now I never said I would not veto the trade. The trade is still pending based on the votes of the other ppl in the leagues since this such a lopsided trade. Here is the message for everyone.

 

BrettJ and BillC want to make a trade.

Brettj offers Shaun Alexander Braylon Edwards Reggie Williams

Billy gives Rex Grossman Darrell Jackson DeAngelo williams

 

Even throu this is a dumb trade on someones part I am inclined to allow the trade. I will let it go to a vote. So let me know by a yes or no.

 

As commish I think commishes that put trades to votes need to be unbaised and not make the comments in bold, you can diagree with the trade but leave those baised comments off the "Vote on this trade" posts/emails. It also doesn't send the right message.

 

Besides I don't see as that lopsided a little but SA for 2 hot up and comers (Rex is a top QB as of now and D.W. is coming up quick I think.

[Melvinbet 5]

I feel for you. I am the commishioner in 3 different leagues and being in this position sometimes the other players make it very hard on you. This is a loopsided trade no doubt about this. Wether or not there was collusion to cause it is not known. Here is what I tell all the players in my games...

 

If a trade is proposed and accepted it will be put for a 3 day vote. If 4 out of the 10 players not in the trade veto the trade it will not be canceled. I will take the trade to a 3rd party source and allow strangers to determine the fate of the trade. The results will determine the trade. The reason I do this is because I want to keep personal feelings out of trades and the 3rd party source is best to solve this. And I don't want to make those that made the trade veto other trades out of spite. Being the commishioner is a thankless job and hard when people quit or collude to sway it in one direction to benefit themselves.

 

 

Who are you guys to say it's lopsided? Last year I traded T.O. and S.Jax for Gates. Looked unfair at the time but T.O. got suspended and S.Jax finished weak. I came out better. You just never know. It is not a commish's job to predict the future. If no conspiracy is evident, you shouldn't veto.

[Ummaguma15 0]

thank you to all that have commented and taken time out of your day to help our league figure out this little problem

i will make sure everyone in the league reads this

 

it may not end up working in my favor but i think everyone learned a little something from this post

[reefy33 0]

Last night i was offered a trade

Shaun Alexander,Braylon Edwards Reggie Williams

I give up Rex Grossman Darrell Jackson DeAngelo williams

of course i acceped it

 

I want everyone to know i have not talked to the person who offred me the trade in weeks

but the commishioner in my leauge will not allow the trade

Is this common practice

I realize this makes my team very strong...but is the commish looking out for himself

is this fair

my team is in my signature....i add dropped trent Green for grossman (if you do not see him on there)

i apperciate all responses whether positive or negative

and apperciate all who take time out of their day to respond

 

I have made numerous trade attempts for Alexander giving him better ranked players

but have not spoken to him or have any contact with the other player

and would never cheat or try to cheapen the league

 

please help

 

This is a pretty one sided trade. If I was in your league I would be protesting like crazy. Nothing against you, but your commisioner has to keep the integrity of the league. My opinion. Please answer mine.

 

 

 

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Ummaguma