BMoney 0 Posted September 11, 2007 Just out of curiosity, where are you saying that football was born? not toronto.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter34 3 Posted September 11, 2007 the truth hurts and you resort to name calling? i admit, i expected more from u...i dont anymore.... you claim to be a bears fan...do you even watch their games? or do u conveniently ignore the sure dropped td by the lions? or the blown call in the tampa game?... TWO injuries? boo hoo....are you focking kidding?... the bears BARELY got by IN chicago vs a seattle team that had a rb with a broken foot..a qb with broken fingers and a seperated left shoulder..a 3rd string center..no full back, so the tight end was there and dbs off the street.... the bears are OVERDUE for bad breaks....and they are coming... are u on the 8-8 train or not? take those homerism glasses off and shove them up your lovie loving azz.... im an idiot.... sure, says the canadian to the guy living where football was focking born..i guess i dont follow the bears after all.... The Bears had already clinched the #1 seed in the NFC by the time these two plays happened. LMAO. Is that the big breaks that you keep hanging your hat on? The plays and those games were completely irrelevant. Seattle was spanked TWICE. All were healthy for the playoff game and they still lost to a Bear team with two pro bowlers out. Here's a clue - they just were not as good as Chi - it wasnt "breaks". They still arent as good. Moron Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
muzz 0 Posted September 11, 2007 My Guess? Lovie will stick with Grossman as long as he can, because he's afraid that Griese will get too hyped up, and trip over his cat on the way to the mailbox...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted September 11, 2007 The Bears had already clinched the #1 seed in the NFC by the time these two plays happened. LMAO. Is that the big breaks that you keep hanging your hat on? The plays and those games were completely irrelevant. Seattle was spanked TWICE. All were healthy for the playoff game and they still lost to a Bear team with two pro bowlers out. Here's a clue - they just were not as good as Chi - it wasnt "breaks". They still arent as good. Moron walter, you truly ARE a clueless fock i know the all is healthy comment was just said to rile me up..but im sure you actually believe that was the case...you make everyone of the fb dumber for having to read your comments..i guess youll check in on the nfl when your generic league is over? hasnt it folded yet? all healthy?...I wasnt wrong in figuring that you dont truly follow football that closely.... the breaks are the fact that the bears got through the season relatively injury free...mike brown is a non factor since he NEVER plays...tommie harris is a big play guy...ON a stacked D...he wasnt missed THAT much..they had the depth to plug someone in and not miss much of a step...just to assure they wouldnt miss him, they kept guys out of jail (manning, tank)... had they lost thomas jones or a top wide out..thats a different story and being healthy is a seriously good break...seattle caught all the breaks during their super bowl run..and it evened out last year..no complaints..it happens... there were the breaks in the away az game etc....you are too focking delusional... plus you are ignoring the fact that seattle was a M.A.S.H. unit...and it still went to OT... you think that itll make your team THAT much better had u won the super bowl in spite of your qb..oh, we'll show them! no..you blew a golden chance...granted, it won me over $20 because betting the game was a focking gimme...but the window of opportunity is closing fast...this is the last year and its closing with each big injury...whos going to down THIS week? no one someone is.... but you are right..that IS considered a spanking when your qb is arena material..... 8-8 walter....get ready for it...destined to suck as hard as your maple leafs do year in and year out.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VaRebels 0 Posted September 11, 2007 The Bears have their QB on the Bench, on that will do well for them. His name; Kyle Orton. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter34 3 Posted September 11, 2007 ...tommie harris is a big play guy...ON a stacked D...he wasnt missed THAT much.. This shows how little you follow the bears or how little you know what you are talking about. Thanks for the input. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted September 11, 2007 ask the detroit tigers about getting the breaks and having a magical season. a little different tune this year with zumaya and rogers missing most of the season and bonderman coming up lame. they're still good enough to compete. but it's a world of difference from last year. it ain't easy duplicating that success the next year. a lot has to go right for a team. and the competition also improves. and they paint the bulls eye on your back. and the mental part of it. and... well, you get the idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lions_or_Die 0 Posted September 18, 2007 While I didn't see the game, from what I have read the alarm on that clock is going off for Grossman and he just keeps hitting the snooze. His performance, or lack thereof, will get him fired eventually. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tusekan Raiders 0 Posted September 18, 2007 I don't know. Griese's most impressive accomplishment in the league has been to offer some hilarious stories of his drunkeness. I don't think the running game will be good enough this year to live with a QB who is just a "game manager" or, the infamous type who supposedly "won't lose you a game". If anything, I'd rather see if fellow drunk Kyle Orton has taken the next step. I've never liked Grossman and don't disagree how horrible he can be, but he is the only QB on the roster who can actually win you a game if you get in a shoot-out. I don't blame the SD loss on him. He had a couple mistakes, but the playcalling was horrible and fumbling by the RBs cost the game. I was more disappointed with his second half against KC. The problem is when he has to think. He is plain dumb. Don't think, just unleash the dragon, baby. the truth hurts and you resort to name calling? No, he just called you an idiot just b/c you are. HTH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted September 18, 2007 im an idiot.... sure, says the canadian to the guy living where football was focking born. Football was born in seattle, wash.??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
norseman 0 Posted September 18, 2007 The pattern is there: Grossman goes out, makes a few good passes, then makes an equal number of boneheaded mistakes, but the Bears win anyway because of their defense and special teams. Grossman, in his press conferences after the game, says he recognizes the mistakes he made and knows he needs to do better. Then, the next week, he goes out and does the same things. Watch him on the sideline, and you'll see him with his cap on watching the game or talking to teammates. He is not busy studying the plays or looking at photos of the defensive alignments a la Peyton Manning. The hope that this guy is young and still learning and will eventually become a good QB is fading fast. He is not improving. He is not learning from his mistakes. He is the same old Rex you saw last year and this year in the preseason. At some point, you have to think Lovie is going to get tired of this and make a change. If the Bears keep winning in spite of Rex, I wouldn't expect that decision to come anytime soon. But he's in the last year of his contract, so unless he wins the Super Bowl for them, don't be surprised to see him dumped at the end of the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
slamNJ 0 Posted September 18, 2007 Chicago Sun-Times September 18, 2007: Are winds of change blowing? QB WATCH | Smith asks for patience, but Grossman may be on thin ice September 18, 2007 BY BRAD BIGGS bbiggs@suntimes.com The head coach with the defensive background was grilled about his offense Monday. Instead of taking to the defensive, Bears coach Lovie Smith preached patience. How much longer he will cling to that virtue remains to be seen, but one got the distinct impression quarterback Rex Grossman has been put on notice. Smith never is going to come out and say so, but he also isn't going to wait an entire season for things to turn around. In two games, Grossman has been picked off three times, has completed 56.1 percent of his passes, has been sacked six times and has a passer rating of 55.1. That rating ranked Grossman 32nd in the NFL entering play Monday. It's hardly the improvement that was promised in his second full season as a starter, and Smith didn't try to sell it as such. ''The turnovers on the offensive side are something that we have to eliminate,'' he said. ''It's as simple as that. Passing-game-wise, we didn't get a lot done [sunday].'' Smith divides the season into quarters and said it's too early to rush to judgment about Grossman and an ailing offense that ranks 30th in yardage. It might be that Brian Griese is only a few games away from getting his opportunity because the organization is running out of ways to rationalize what is happening. It's the same 11 starters with the exception of running back Cedric Benson, who was supposed to be an upgrade over Thomas Jones. It's the third season for coordinator Ron Turner, who spent the postgame talking about the good calls the Kansas City Chiefs made in the second half of the Bears' 20-10 victory Sunday. And Wade Wilson, the quarterbacks coach who supposedly wouldn't work on the things that needed work, has been replaced by Pep Hamilton. ''If you're doing well pass-wise, it's a combination of things,'' Smith said. ''It's protection, it's the quarterback throwing the ball to the receivers, pitch and catch. Right now, I'm going to say the entire operation, we're just not there. ''We made progress offensively as I saw it this past week [by] getting our running game going. The next phase of it will be to bring the passing game along with it, too.'' Did the Bears make progress? The explanation handed out by Turner, Grossman and the receivers was that the Chiefs were in a deep zone and were doing everything in their power to prevent giving up the big play. Fine. In trading the deep stuff -- Grossman had exactly one completion go for more than 11 yards -- for the short stuff, the Bears also should have shredded the Chiefs on the ground. Benson rolled to 101 yards on 24 carries, a workmanlike effort but hardly the kind of outing that left the Chiefs dazed and wounded. The Bears conceded the Chiefs took away their big-play capability, but they couldn't make the Chiefs pay where they were then vulnerable. You can't have it both ways in the aftermath of a rushing attack that produced only 107 yards with a 3.7-yard average. ''Their philosophy defensively is they are not going to give up the big play,'' Turner said. ''We knew that going in, and we said going in that to move the ball against these guys, you had to be very efficient.'' The mistakes Grossman has been making aren't the gunslinging errors that have been discussed in the past. He's not getting picked off trying to force a ball into a tiny hole 30 yards downfield. He lobbed a screen pass to linebacker Napoleon Harris and said he never saw linebacker Donnie Edwards on a short throw to Rashied Davis. ''I just don't think we're playing as well consistently,'' Grossman said. You've seen this happen here before. Rarely does it end happily. The coach is asking for your patience. He will need to ask his offense for points Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys, who have rolled up 82 points in their first 2-0 start since 1999. ''I don't think you make any calls based on what you've done after two games,'' Smith said. ''You need to go into the first quarter [of the season] a little bit. ''We are taking steps. We just haven't been able to see it all in our play right now. It's still a little early to say, 'This happened last year.' Give us a little bit more time. We're not where we want to be as a football team. I can't give you reasons why.'' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter34 3 Posted September 18, 2007 I am growing tired of the mistakes and think the bad is outweighing the good. We arent seeing the progress that a full off season and preseason should have produced. The problem is that I am not sure if Griese or Orton are any better and may be worse. Really, there are only a handful of qbs in the league that are close enough to flawless to not be under a microscope. Rivers looks like crap so far this year. Rothlisberger has been less than stellar the last two years, Eli has had ups and downs - all qbs not named Brady or Peyton have flaws. The main issue though is that Rex does not seem to be improving and still makes awful decisions. The mechanicxs and back foot throws are also too frequent. I think he has 2 more games and if there is the same mistakes, he rides the pine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrJ 0 Posted September 18, 2007 granted, it won me over $20 because betting the game was a focking gimme Wow, don't spend it all in one place. Your Seahawks made me about 2K by getting the Championship game in our back yard, so I guess it's all good. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted September 18, 2007 I am growing tired of the mistakes and think the bad is outweighing the good. We arent seeing the progress that a full off season and preseason should have produced. The problem is that I am not sure if Griese or Orton are any better and may be worse. Really, there are only a handful of qbs in the league that are close enough to flawless to not be under a microscope. Rivers looks like crap so far this year. Rothlisberger has been less than stellar the last two years, Eli has had ups and downs - all qbs not named Brady or Peyton have flaws. The main issue though is that Rex does not seem to be improving and still makes awful decisions. The mechanicxs and back foot throws are also too frequent. I think he has 2 more games and if there is the same mistakes, he rides the pine. So maybe Cheeseboy's sig of a famous Walter34 quote: Rex has some improvement to make, but he is currently on a par with...Brett [Favre]. ....might not be all the way true?? My memory is hazy... it goes in and out... but I just don't recall Favre being close to being benched during season five... I do remember 3 MVPs but I'm not sure if they would have benched him for that. But besides that, their paths in the NFL are so similiar it's eerie. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter34 3 Posted September 18, 2007 So maybe Cheeseboy's sig of a famous Walter34 quote: Rex has some improvement to make, but he is currently on a par with...Brett [Favre]. ....might not be all the way true?? My memory is hazy... it goes in and out... but I just don't recall Favre being close to being benched during season five... I do remember 3 MVPs but I'm not sure if they would have benched him for that. But besides that, their paths in the NFL are so similiar it's eerie. No, its true. Bret also sucks ass in his waning years. Note to Don, 1996 called and they want you back. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Belushi 9 Posted September 18, 2007 No, its true. Bret also sucks ass in his waning years. Note to Don, 1996 called and they want you back. Not Probowl numbers, but still a hell of allot better than Grossman. Name Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Brett Favre GNB 2 84.0 52 80 65.0 492 246.0 6.2 3 2 Rex Grossman CHI 2 55.1 32 57 56.1 305 152.5 5.4 1 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted September 18, 2007 Not Probowl numbers, but still a hell of allot better than Grossman. Name Team G QBRat Comp Att Pct Yds Y/G Y/A TD Int Brett Favre GNB 2 84.0 52 80 65.0 492 246.0 6.2 3 2 Rex Grossman CHI 2 55.1 32 57 56.1 305 152.5 5.4 1 3 Stop bringing up stats from 1996 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted September 18, 2007 No, its true. Bret also sucks ass in his waning years. Note to Don, 1996 called and they want you back. It was your quote -- not mine -- that said Rex was "on par" with Brett You'd gotta believe that if I said the 2007 GB defense was "on par" with the '85 Bear defense, you'd be bringing up old-time stats faster than you could say "Glory Days". Some of the things you say are Sampdogian in their delusionanaliality... But that's what makes this board so fun Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Walter34 3 Posted September 19, 2007 It was your quote -- not mine -- that said Rex was "on par" with Brett You'd gotta believe that if I said the 2007 GB defense was "on par" with the '85 Bear defense, you'd be bringing up old-time stats faster than you could say "Glory Days". Some of the things you say are Sampdogian in their delusionanaliality... But that's what makes this board so fun No one has compared Grossman to HOF Favre, just to the old fart that throws interceptions faster than you knock back 6 Molsons. Your twisting of words is the very essence of Sampdoggedness. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lions_or_Die 0 Posted September 19, 2007 I think he has 2 more games and if there is the same mistakes, he rides the pine. If in some way he gives the game away against the Lions, he will be done regardless of what he does this week against the Cowboys. Just my two cents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
donhaas 18 Posted September 19, 2007 No one has compared Grossman to HOF Favre, just to the old fart that throws interceptions faster than you knock back 6 Molsons. Your twisting of words is the very essence of Sampdoggedness. a-ha...... this is my bad... I didn't know the context of the cheeseboy sig... I thought you were comparing the two as they were first starting out... (which wouldn't surprise me) But even now, it's pretty clear that Favre > Grossman Also... in case you are no longer getting the Chicago Tribune up there in Kitchener.... Packers > Bears Brewers > Cubs Badgers > Illini (all sports) Chris Farley > Jim Belushi Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Melissa Stark 1 Posted September 19, 2007 I'm not a big buster on the NFC Norris, Walt, Swamp, Donhaas and LieDowns do enough for entertainment : I never liked Rex and disagree with Lovie sticking with him and totally backing him since last year..seems like he is stuck to ride him out this year. T Jones and Benson, sounds like a managment decision to save face and isn a debacle to say the least Defense looks great but won't be enough this year. I'll stick to the Steelers support backers Sorry Walt....... MUGS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lions_or_Die 0 Posted September 27, 2007 And the clock has stopped! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
