Maximum Overkill 2,103 Posted yesterday at 11:16 AM 30 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said: Ok. Listening to Siriusxm, everyone loved Egbuka, just not the situation. The uncertainty of Godwin's health had people unsure of how to handle Egbuka. Agree. Egbuka could easily be Tampa's WR1 next season. There's a real path to that happening. He's going to be a stud. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted yesterday at 11:36 AM Ebuka to me kind of reminds of TET in a way that his overall game is really solid but I don’t know what either of their special traits are. Maybe Ebukas thing is that he’s really good at everything and that’s a thing. I get that he could get Godwins slot role but as a player comp comparing their college tape they don’t remind me of each other. Godwin was a YAC beast and had this ability to jump and high point endzone throws really well. 80% of Ebukas tape to me was him running to a spot bearing zone coverage in a really well executed Ohio State offense. Nothing really ever popd on film at all. I get that Ohio state producers WRs but I didn’t love that he was pretty clearly always the 2nd best WR on the field. I never saw him lined up out wide like Rome Oduze beating man coverage and having to be ‘the guy’ that you knew was getting the ball and you couldn’t stop it. we’ll see. Tampa might have a lot of mouths to feed on offense. Bucky, white, Evans, Otton, Mcmillian. I think Ebuka ends up a better real life pro than fantasy guy possibly. im also wrong a lot but if you are right 55% of the time you can make a killing at the table Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,895 Posted yesterday at 12:31 PM On 6/12/2025 at 8:23 PM, nobody said: Come on. People need to stop saying Harrison had a good season. Dude was billed as the perfect wide receiver prospect. He's a JAG. The JAG stuff needs to be toned down a bit. He could not live up to his hype/pedigree and still be much more than a JAG. He didnt have a good year by his draft position. He would need a more consistent target share. However, he had a few big games that shows hes capable of being a dude. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,895 Posted yesterday at 12:33 PM 8 hours ago, nobody said: Well now I'm hearing a steady drumbeat of how good egbuka has looked in camp. No one was polishing his knob that hard before... Except me and la chup. I was high on him and pretty sure there are posts to back that up. Im a GB fan and wanted him over Golden. But Golden thus far has looked the part, so im not mad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,717 Posted yesterday at 03:56 PM 3 hours ago, listen2me 23 said: The JAG stuff needs to be toned down a bit. He could not live up to his hype/pedigree and still be much more than a JAG. He didnt have a good year by his draft position. He would need a more consistent target share. However, he had a few big games that shows hes capable of being a dude. Nah, he's a JAG. They'll force feed him targets this year likely, but he's going to end up being Michael Gallup primarily running go routes to clear out space for receivers that can actually get open. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,717 Posted yesterday at 03:56 PM 4 hours ago, Matt Mueller said: Ebuka to me kind of reminds of TET in a way that his overall game is really solid but I don’t know what either of their special traits are. Maybe Ebukas thing is that he’s really good at everything and that’s a thing. I get that he could get Godwins slot role but as a player comp comparing their college tape they don’t remind me of each other. Godwin was a YAC beast and had this ability to jump and high point endzone throws really well. 80% of Ebukas tape to me was him running to a spot bearing zone coverage in a really well executed Ohio State offense. Nothing really ever popd on film at all. I get that Ohio state producers WRs but I didn’t love that he was pretty clearly always the 2nd best WR on the field. I never saw him lined up out wide like Rome Oduze beating man coverage and having to be ‘the guy’ that you knew was getting the ball and you couldn’t stop it. we’ll see. Tampa might have a lot of mouths to feed on offense. Bucky, white, Evans, Otton, Mcmillian. I think Ebuka ends up a better real life pro than fantasy guy possibly. im also wrong a lot but if you are right 55% of the time you can make a killing at the table The skill that Egbuka has that Tet doesn't is the ability to get open on time. It showed up more in 2023 than 2024, but I assume you don't lose that skill. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,717 Posted yesterday at 04:18 PM I hate myself for hedging on how mid I thought MHJ was before the 2024 NFL draft. I watched games on all those guys... Nabers, MHJ, Odunze, BTJ... and I came away very underwhelmed on MHJ (and Odunze, to be honest) relative to their hype, but I felt pressure to still have him as one of the top receivers because the whole world was sooooo god damned convinced he was soooo god damned good. It felt like I was going to have to fight the whole world thinking he was just a guy at the NFL level. That's why I don't care what people say about Tet. I knew Egbuka was better than him going into the draft. The world was (and is) screaming for Tet. But what I realized is people listen to the first few guys that have opinions and that gains momentum. Then the media members who suck but have huge platforms (coughESPNcough) don't know any better so they just spread the same bad opinion. Then the average fans who don't bother to watch the games or don't know what they are looking at when they do pick it up and adopt it as a core belief because they heard it on tv so many times, and then because they heard it on tv and now it's a core belief, they'll die on that hill. Then in Tet's case, there was a time in Feb/March leading up to the draft when the smart people stood up and said, "wait. I don't think Tet is really worth all this hype," but by then it was too late. The Tet is amaze-balls hype train already had way too much momentum and any opinion to the contrary was shouted down. From there, it was only a matter of time before some dysfunctional franchise like the Browns or Jets or Panthers drafted him because they get influenced by ESPN too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,717 Posted yesterday at 04:23 PM 10 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said: I ended up taking Hunter. Tet went one pick before me so it wasn't a hard decision. I love Egbuka, if I was drafting in that 10 - 12 range I definitely would of Grabbed him. I did try to trade back into the first for Egbuka but couldn't. I ended up trading back into the first round for Kaleb Johnson instead. I'm very happy that I did but would of loved Egbuka there. Fundamental Theorem of Drafting: Always take the player you think will be the best that won't be available on your next pick. Corollary to that is: If Yahoo thinks you had a good draft, you had a bad draft. Many a team ruined because they worried too much about rankings and Yahoo's draft list. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,103 Posted yesterday at 08:40 PM 4 hours ago, nobody said: If Yahoo thinks you had a good draft, you had a bad draft. Amen to that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,895 Posted yesterday at 08:45 PM 4 hours ago, nobody said: Nah, he's a JAG. They'll force feed him targets this year likely, but he's going to end up being Michael Gallup primarily running go routes to clear out space for receivers that can actually get open. Hey man, dont agree even if I dont think he will live up to the hype. But appreciate you calling your shot. Gallup would definitely be a JAG. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
listen2me 23 1,895 Posted yesterday at 08:51 PM Im actually targeting Tet if he falls to a certain spot. His hype may be gaining so I may not be able to snag him where I previously thought I could. Bryce hasnt been good but he started getting better and they are usually behind. I think Tet could have a very solid year. Something like 80-1050-8. Marvin Harrison going like early 2nd last year was bizarre. Im not as down on him as you, but I was like what in the world?? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nobody 2,717 Posted yesterday at 09:57 PM 1 hour ago, listen2me 23 said: Im actually targeting Tet if he falls to a certain spot. His hype may be gaining so I may not be able to snag him where I previously thought I could. Bryce hasnt been good but he started getting better and they are usually behind. I think Tet could have a very solid year. Something like 80-1050-8. Marvin Harrison going like early 2nd last year was bizarre. Im not as down on him as you, but I was like what in the world?? I'm invested in the Tet discussion so I've been watching Panthers preseason, and I like what I've seen from Bryce so far. Pretty decisive, throwing aggressively. Seems to have command. In fact he probably would've hit Tet for a big one on a double move last week against Houston where the DB slipped a little, but a d-lineman got a finger on the ball as Bryce was releasing it. It was an interesting rep because Tet was running an out and up, but the DB slipped right before tet made his out cut. Then when Tet made the double move, the DB was in chase mode. I wish Bryce would've gotten the ball off clean because for the two steps before everyone stopped, the DB closed a ton of ground. I wanted to see if Tet would maintain the separation, or if the DB would close and break it up or maybe Tet head tops him. Tet did fock it up a little though. When he got the step, he's supposed to stack him (get in line with the DB so he can't pass him), but he gave the DB a bit of an angle on the play that he shouldn't have had. Second week in a row they tried to get a big one on a Tet double move, but the timing was too slow. First week, Young wanted to hit him on a five yard TD but Tet didn't get around fast enough (and maybe alligator armed it - I'm starting to think tet might also be afraid of contact which I didn't clock before watching preseason). Then this week pressure got to Young before the climax on the out and up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted 22 hours ago Regarding people falling into the MJH trap we love to preach ‘1st round draft capital WRs’ when they hit but we all too often forget the Quentin Johnson’s and John Ross types that just never really pan out. Part of the process is how good a player was in college but an even bigger part is their fit and opportunity into an NFL scheme. Kyler is a fine qb but limited qb. The offense runs best through Conner and McBride. MJH ends up being thrown alot of lower percentage boundary balls. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted 22 hours ago For whatever possible road block or lack of belief in Ebuka possible weekly reliability in Tampa I had with McMillian out a month wheels up for sure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted 21 hours ago I have a strange process but as a multiple league dynasty owner maybe 10 leagues who doesn’t watch or follow any college football I pretty much make my own draft board for the rookies. Not so much a 1-12 overall or whatever but guys I want to draft based on their profile but most importantly based on their opportunity. I end up with my own kind of adp but more so guys I will draft or will pass on. For me a guy like Harvey was an easy draft based on Nix, Payton and everything else. Other dynasty owners might have liked Judkins or Kaleb tape better and are holding them instead today. I will ride with Harvey my guy whose situation looked good without that many questions. The more you can eliminate risk in rookie drafts where players will have both opportunity and fit I think it helps you find your own value Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Matt Mueller 146 Posted 21 hours ago I can’t wait for the copium why is Thielan out scoring TET blow ups early in the season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Maximum Overkill 2,103 Posted 14 hours ago 15 hours ago, nobody said: Nah, he's a JAG. They'll force feed him targets this year likely, but he's going to end up being Michael Gallup primarily running go routes to clear out space for receivers that can actually get open. Naaa. He's a stud. Unfortunately he's cuffed to a QB who has no clue, ask Trey McBride. There were times where both were literally jumping up and down wide open in the end zone and Little Man checked down. Put MHJ in KC or Cincy and he's scoring 16+ TDs in his sleep. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites