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17 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

They've always been an ally of the United States. It's not that I care so much, it's why do you care so little?

And, frankly, I consider Islam to be incompatible with modern civilization. They're stuck in the 5th century BC and don't seem to want to change. Israel is an island of normalcy in a sea of hate and any country that fights against Islam is a good thing and I support.

They both suck. Why should I care about Israel? What have they actually done that has helped Americans?

Give any country almost half a trillion dollars and watch them turn into “our greatest ally”

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14 hours ago, Reality said:

Nailed it.

Nailed what? That Islam sucks? Just because they halfway have their sh!t together in a sea of craziness doesn’t mean they are “our greatest ally”

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15 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

💯. They kill the enemies of civilization.  

You seen what Mecca looked like in the early 50s compared to today? They aren’t doing a very good job just saying 

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On 5/9/2025 at 7:54 PM, The Real timschochet said:

You seem obsessed with talking about masculinity. You remind me of an old gay roommate of mine; he was obsessed with that too. 

There's a simpler term for that. It's called boyfriend.

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22 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

They've always been an ally of the United States. It's not that I care so much, it's why do you care so little?

And, frankly, I consider Islam to be incompatible with modern civilization. They're stuck in the 5th century BC and don't seem to want to change. Israel is an island of normalcy in a sea of hate and any country that fights against Islam is a good thing and I support.

It can be both. We don't want Muslims because of their extremism, and we don't want the Jews that think we are all goyim. The Talmud lays out exactly what they think of non Jews.

Trump has cut off Bibi for a reason.

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6 hours ago, iam90sbaby said:

They both suck. Why should I care about Israel? What have they actually done that has helped Americans?

Give any country almost half a trillion dollars and watch them turn into “our greatest ally”

You're the one saying "greatest ally".  I never said that.  I feel like you're saying that to add extra to make your point sound more dramatic than it really is.  I simply said "ally".

I agree, we could probably give them LESS money but having an ally is a GOOD thing.  And what have they done that has helped Americans?  I would say kicking the out of Muslim countries so we don't have to counts.  Also, they're the ones that took out the Iranian nuclear facilities in air strikes for us too, IIRC.  They act as our proxy when we ask them.

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4 hours ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

You're the one saying "greatest ally".  I never said that.  I feel like you're saying that to add extra to make your point sound more dramatic than it really is.  I simply said "ally".

I agree, we could probably give them LESS money but having an ally is a GOOD thing.  And what have they done that has helped Americans?  I would say kicking the out of Muslim countries so we don't have to counts.  Also, they're the ones that took out the Iranian nuclear facilities in air strikes for us too, IIRC.  They act as our proxy when we ask them.

I’d argue that we are their proxy. 

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20 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I think it's a two way street.  We scratch each other's backs.

What have they done for us that even comes close to justifying giving them almost half a trillion dollars?

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8 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

What have they done for us that even comes close to justifying giving them almost half a trillion dollars?

I already agreed that we could not give so much, but I think their presence in the Middle East gives us a vital ally in that region.  Maybe not half a trillion dollars worth, but still an ally.

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14 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

I already agreed that we could not give so much, but I think their presence in the Middle East gives us a vital ally in that region.  Maybe not half a trillion dollars worth, but still an ally.

The problem is the amount of money we give them is the only reason they are an ally…

It’s 100% a transactional relationship that we get the short end of the stick on. 

You don’t wonder why you’ve been programmed to unquestionably care about them so much? Not even a little?

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9 minutes ago, iam90sbaby said:

The problem is the amount of money we give them is the only reason they are an ally…

It’s 100% a transactional relationship that we get the short end of the stick on. 

You don’t wonder why you’ve been programmed to unquestionably care about them so much? Not even a little?

The way I'VE been programmed?  Hold your horses there, friend.  I just laid out why I support them.  It's not because of some deep propaganda conspiracy.

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38 minutes ago, EternalShinyAndChrome said:

The way I'VE been programmed?  Hold your horses there, friend.  I just laid out why I support them.  It's not because of some deep propaganda conspiracy.

You don’t think Americans are conditioned to support Israel without question? If you even criticize Israel at all and people get all weird about it.. I think that’s by design 

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