***Happy Thanksgiving Football Day week 13***

[Hardcore troubadour 15,947]

Pretty sure the ref in the booth explained why it wasn’t a penalty.   

[MikeMatt 444]

6 hours ago, edjr said:

boxes?

My man Edgar

[MikeMatt 444]

Sounds like I didn’t miss much tonight 

[Maximum Overkill 2,554]

2 hours ago, MikeMatt said:

Sounds like I didn’t miss much tonight 

Naaa, kind of as expected. Dart sucks

[edjr 6,957]

9 hours ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Pretty sure the ref in the booth explained why it wasn’t a penalty.   

   I am 100% positive he did. 

[Ron_Artest 2,350]

42 minutes ago, edjr said:

   I am 100% positive he did. 

And he was 100% wrong.  Being a runner doesn't exempt you from a helmet to helmet hit.  Stop being so stupid.

[Mr Fantasy 88]

11 hours ago, edjr said:

olszewski got jacked up!

Perfectly legal

[edjr 6,957]

25 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

And he was 100% wrong.  Being a runner doesn't exempt you from a helmet to helmet hit.  Stop being so stupid.

  everyone but guttercunt and 5 points got this. 

[Ron_Artest 2,350]

13 minutes ago, edjr said:

  everyone but guttercunt and 5 points got this. 

Because we're the only ones that know the rule.

Section 2 - Personal Fouls
ARTICLE 10. IMPERMISSIBLE USE OF THE HELMET

It is a foul if a player:

lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent; or
uses any part of his helmet or facemask to butt or make forcible contact to an opponent’s head or neck

These provisions do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle or block on an opponent.

Penalty: Loss of 15 yards. If the foul is by the defense, it is also an automatic first down. The player may be disqualified.

 

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/use-of-the-helmet/

There is even a video if you're having trouble reading the words.  I know how much you love videos.

[edjr 6,957]

I have never in my life seen someone argue something when they are wrong, were proven wrong when the game was was played. No penalty was called, such a clown

[Hardcore troubadour 15,947]

Gutterboy doesn’t know the difference between forcible contact and incidental contact. Show him mercy. He never had the makings of a varsity athlete. 

[edjr 6,957]

3 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Gutterboy doesn’t know the difference between forcible contact and incidental contact. Show him mercy. He never had the makings of a varsity athlete. 

Rudy, Rudy, RUDY!

[Mr Fantasy 88]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Because we're the only ones that know the rule.

Section 2 - Personal Fouls
ARTICLE 10. IMPERMISSIBLE USE OF THE HELMET

It is a foul if a player:

lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent; or
uses any part of his helmet or facemask to butt or make forcible contact to an opponent’s head or neck

These provisions do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle or block on an opponent.

Penalty: Loss of 15 yards. If the foul is by the defense, it is also an automatic first down. The player may be disqualified.

 

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/use-of-the-helmet/

There is even a video if you're having trouble reading the words.  I know how much you love videos.

Way to double down on the dumb. Out of curiosity did you ever play football, organized tackle football?

[edjr 6,957]

 

 

[edjr 6,957]

4 minutes ago, Mr Fantasy said:

Way to double down on the dumb. Out of curiosity did you ever play football, organized tackle football?

He ran out and got the tee after a kickoff

[Ron_Artest 2,350]

12 minutes ago, edjr said:

I have never in my life seen someone argue something when they are wrong, were proven wrong when the game was was played. No penalty was called, such a clown

The fact that no penalty was called means that there was no penalty?

You seriously cannot be this dumb.

[Ron_Artest 2,350]

9 minutes ago, Mr Fantasy said:

Way to double down on the dumb. Out of curiosity did you ever play football, organized tackle football?

Where am I wrong?

[listen2me 23 1,958]

MVP is between 2 stat padders.  Maye and Stafford.   

[Ron_Artest 2,350]

11 hours ago, edjr said:

helmet to helmet is legal if you’re deemed a runner.

[listen2me 23 1,958]

I love how the video it says "applies to offensive and defensive players both"

Yet every week you see RBs or WRs lower their head to try and truck a tackler.  Many times on thr sideline when they make up their mind they arent going OB and want to let a defender know. 

When is that ever called lol?  Ever?  Clearly lowering head and driving it into defender.  (To be fair not sure how else you play football) but clearly driving helmets into would be tacklers.     

[listen2me 23 1,958]

Either way Gutter is wrong.  He lowerer his shoulder and hit Dart on the shoulder, if a tiny bit of helmet touches together...they dont call that.  You cant detach your head before making a tackle.  Defender hits him shoulder to shoulder.  If you want to ague he got some of his helmet in the process thats fine, but hes not using his head to make the tackle.  He used his shoulder. 

[Hardcore troubadour 15,947]

2 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

I love how the video it says "applies to offensive and defensive players both"

Yet every week you see RBs or WRs lower their head to try and truck a tackler.  Many times on thr sideline when they make up their mind they arent going OB and want to let a defender know. 

When is that ever called lol?  Ever?  Clearly lowering head and driving it into defender.  (To be fair not sure how else you play football) but clearly driving helmets into would be tacklers.     

Skataboo! 

[Mr Fantasy 88]

15 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Where am I wrong?

In your world where is helmet to helmet “legal”?

[listen2me 23 1,958]

How about Vrable going 5 wide from 7 up 15 with 3 minutes left and Giants have no TOs.  Maye almost pick 6.  Then goes 4 wide and Maye takes a hit.  

Really trying like hell for that MVP.  

[Ron_Artest 2,350]

3 minutes ago, listen2me 23 said:

Either way Gutter is wrong.  He lowerer his shoulder and hit Dart on the shoulder, if a tiny bit of helmet touches together...they dont call that.  You cant detach your head before making a tackle.  Defender hits him shoulder to shoulder.  If you want to ague he got some of his helmet in the process thats fine, but hes not using his head to make the tackle.  He used his shoulder. 

We're not even talking about that play

[Ron_Artest 2,350]

4 minutes ago, Mr Fantasy said:

In your world where is helmet to helmet “legal”?

It's not my world, it's the NFL rule book.

Again...

 

Section 2 - Personal Fouls
ARTICLE 10. IMPERMISSIBLE USE OF THE HELMET

It is a foul if a player:

lowers his head and makes forcible contact with his helmet against an opponent; or
uses any part of his helmet or facemask to butt or make forcible contact to an opponent’s head or neck

These provisions do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or the helmet in the course of a conventional tackle or block on an opponent.

Penalty: Loss of 15 yards. If the foul is by the defense, it is also an automatic first down. The player may be disqualified.

 

https://operations.nfl.com/the-rules/nfl-video-rulebook/use-of-the-helmet/

 

So helmet to helmet is legal if it's incidental or you're blocked into an opponent.

The only logical conclusion is that the refs thought it was incidental, which is why they didn't call it.  Looking that the replay, I don't think it was.  To me it looks like he lowered his helmet at the point of contact.  That is the only way I would be "wrong".

Either way, edjr saying that helmet to helmet is legal if you're a runner is one of the dumbest things I ever heard.  He clearly knows nothing about football.

[listen2me 23 1,958]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

We're not even talking about that play

Ohhh I was going to say.  

Im looking at Eds video.  Not sure what to call there.  Defender sorta gets squeezed in by blocker.  Seems like a total accident.  Not that accidents arent called.  Shlt happens....doesnt look like hes spearing him with his head down.  Hard to tackle a moving target properly.  

[Ron_Artest 2,350]

8 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Skataboo! 

What's a skataboo?

Cam Skattebo?

[Ron_Artest 2,350]

Just now, listen2me 23 said:

Ohhh I was going to say.  

Im looking at Eds video.  Not sure what to call there.  Defender sorta gets squeezed in by blocker.  Seems like a total accident.  Not that accidents arent called.  Shlt happens....doesnt look like hes spearing him with his head down.  Hard to tackle a moving target properly.  

You can make the argument that it was incidental.  Players are moving so fast, it's really hard to avoid a collision like that, but the rule is the rule.  To me it looks like he lowered his head.  Did he do this to try and avoid contact?  Debatable.  He gets up celebrating.

Either way, the rule is clear.  The interpretation of the play is where we might disagree.