help with trades! (original, i know)

[raisedbywolves 0]

alright, well, i ended up going kinda wr heavy in my draft, although i ended up with some excellent receivers, but unfortunately, i'm lacking a third back and i figured i'd address this through trade as there are absolutely no good backs on the waiver wire.

 

here's my team:

 

qb jon kitna

rb frank gore

rb adrian peterson (min)

rb/wr anquan boldin

wr marvin harrison

wr chad johnson

te antonio gates

d/st packers d/st

k jason elam

be vince young

be reggie brown

be braylon edwards

be calvin johnson

be jason witten

be jay cutler

be brandon marshall

 

so far, i have two trade proposals on the table to two separate teams, and i have an unofficial discussion with my friend justin who's in the same league who said he'd give me cadillac williams, vernon davis, and laveranues coles for anquan boldin and antonio gates, but i told him i'd rather have deion branch in place of coles and he said he probably could do that. thing is ... i know gates is a lock for 1000 yards and at least 9-10 td's, and as much as i like vernon davis's upside, realistically i'd probably give up 25-50% of gates' production. i'm also very high up on boldin's numbers this year, as he's looked very sharp in preseason. not only that, but i'm very iffy on cadillac, as woeful as tampa bay's team is. i hear varying reports on him ... undervalued, overvalued, etc. it's difficult to gauge. another possibility i ran by my friend is to put willis mcgahee in instead of cadillac and i'd switch boldin to chad johnson. the numbers (projected points) work out in my favor, but willis mcgahee kinda scares me. any ideas on if either of these trades would be worth it?

 

the two trade proposals i've sent are:

 

jerious norwood for braylon edwards. i think that'd be a steal for me if i could get that.

and then i offered someone boldin and edwards for willie parker. i dunno if that'll get accepted or not.

 

so ... yeah. basically that's it. my main concern is with the possible trade with my friend and what i could give up for parker if that trade gets rejected.

[bear down 77 0]

Jerious Norwood for Edwards isnt bad. Norwood impressed me tonight. I feel like Boldin is going to have a solid if not spectacular year.

[raisedbywolves 0]

how do you feel about the cadillac, v. davis, and branch for boldin and gates though?

[raisedbywolves 0]

alright, i'm off to bed. hopefully i get some replies to this by the morning.

[C_Blade 0]

Losing Boldin and getting Branch is maybe not so great, seeing as how Boldin is showing up and how widely Seattle spreads the ball. Vernon Davis is an obvious downgrade so I think it comes down to what Cadillac Williams can do for your team. I would say that it would be useful if you put Caddy in the flex instead of Branch, then it might have a good upgrade. That would mean that it is almost like trading Boldin for Cadillac and Davis for Gates. If you like the odds of having a decent RB and decent TE over a good WR and great TE, go for it.

 

I personally wouldn't do it though.

 

As for the McGahee idea, that might be dangerous too. I don't think McGahee is as stunning as they say. He's new to the team, a team with a poor offense. While Chad Johnson probably won't be as amazing as they say either, CJ is definitely better than Branch and Boldin, so this one kinda tips even worse on the scales, I think.

[raisedbywolves 0]

yeah, i really like how boldin is playing and i think he might end up with more points than fitzgerald by the end of the year. and i've seen some projections with branch only getting 800 and 6-7 td's, whereas some give him 1100 and 8 td's. i took projections in fantasy points and averaged them out to find out the average value of the players i'd be trading for. every trade comes out with more points in my favor, although you're right ... it also comes down to who i play and what i do with the flex spot. the only thing i'm concerned with about not having three backs is that on both gore's and peterson's bye weeks, i'll only be playing one back and losing major points, seeing as i'll only be filling one rb spot instead of two. the flex wouldn't even matter then. plus, having a third back gives me more options on choices every week. but i do like gates a lot and boldin too ... i'm just kinda thinking a third back of some sort is important. which is why i hope i can get norwood for edwards. or even have my willie parker trade go through, since i'd have a top tier running back gone for a second tier and lower tiered receiver, at a position where i'm already pretty loaded as even then, i'd have harrison and johnson + reggie brown, calvin johnson, and brandon marshall to go to.

[raisedbywolves 0]

any more help people?

[mdbomb 5]

I like the Norwood for Edwards deal.

 

The FWP deal probably would not get done.

 

As for the Gates deal. I really like Davis to have a big year this year. He has all the tools and Smith looks like he is improving and looking his way a lot, but Gates is Gates.

 

I think I might do that deal, just because you really need the help at RB, but I would shop around a little 1st. You may be able to get more for Gates. You still have a week and a half before the season starts, so I'd see what's out there.

[mdbomb 5]

BTW I really like Reggie Brown to have a good year, so giving up Boldin on your roster wouldn/'nt be the end of the world. JMO...

[raisedbywolves 0]

the norwood for edwards deal is my best bet, but i'm thinking the person that has him isn't even gonna show up this year ... *sigh* ...

and yeah, i'm big on vernon davis too, but in this case, it's upside versus the clear-cut number 1.

 

and i like reggie brown as well, but boldin has just looked really good during preseason ... i dunno. tough decision. unfortunately, the only people that have been responsive to me during trades are my friend with cadillac/mcgahee and another guy who i tried to get lamont jordan from (who i really, really don't want anyway) and he rejected me, but said he'd be open to trades for thomas jones.

[GEUH 2]

the norwood for edwards deal is my best bet, but i'm thinking the person that has him isn't even gonna show up this year ... *sigh* ...

and yeah, i'm big on vernon davis too, but in this case, it's upside versus the clear-cut number 1.

 

and i like reggie brown as well, but boldin has just looked really good during preseason ... i dunno. tough decision. unfortunately, the only people that have been responsive to me during trades are my friend with cadillac/mcgahee and another guy who i tried to get lamont jordan from (who i really, really don't want anyway) and he rejected me, but said he'd be open to trades for thomas jones.

I definitely like the Norwood for Edwards trade...not as high on Norwood as everyone else, esp. w/Dunn back.

[raisedbywolves 0]

I definitely like the Norwood for Edwards trade...not as high on Norwood as everyone else, esp. w/Dunn back.

 

yeah, i mean, i'd only be giving up a receiver for him. i just need a third back and if norwood steals touches off dunn, that'll be good enough. he's likely to be goal line back anyway. so, i wish that would go through, but i think this owner is absentee ... his draft was automated 'cause he didn't show up, and i don't know if he'll show up at all. so the cadillac trade still remains my best bet, unfortunately.

[Turf Nazi 0]

I definitely like the Norwood for Edwards trade...not as high on Norwood as everyone else, esp. w/Dunn back.

 

 

I was in a league similar to this last year, and I simply just "rode out" the depth at my WR position and hoped for the best w/ my RB's.

 

I ended up winning the Superbowl that way, so my only advice would be to not be too hasty in making a trade just in order to have another RB in you stable.

 

You will get that extra point or two that is needed w/ a very good WR, which you definitely have.

 

TN

[raisedbywolves 0]

I was in a league similar to this last year, and I simply just "rode out" the depth at my WR position and hoped for the best w/ my RB's.

 

I ended up winning the Superbowl that way, so my only advice would be to not be too hasty in making a trade just in order to have another RB in you stable.

 

You will get that extra point or two that is needed w/ a very good WR, which you definitely have.

 

TN

 

i mean, yeah, you're right ... i stand to lose two games possibly since i'll have two weeks where i only have one back playing. but i'll still make the playoffs on the strength of my great receivers. i'm just thinking having that third back would make things a lot more flexible for me. ESPECIALLY if peterson or gore should go down with an injury.

[Beyond Chaos 75]

As mentioned before, i think you should shop around for another back. iIf you haven't already look for teams with RB depth that are weak at WR. I think you can work out some better trades than the one that is on the table.

[raisedbywolves 0]

yeah, i have the trades on the table, but the teams that are loaded up at rb and weak at wr are most likely people who aren't gonna log in at all. they went automated and ended up grabbing a billion backs. this one guy ended up with rudi johnson, willie parker, edgerrin james, jamal lewis, chester taylor, ladell betts, fred taylor, and kevin jones. and his only receivers are clayton and porter. that was the worst culprit. another guy ended up with travis henry, ronnie brown, larry johnson, ahman green, deshaun foster, jerious norwood, julius jones, and vernand morency and his receivers are jennings, cotchery, hines ward, and darrell jackson (better wr situation, unfortunately).

[JTMoney 0]

alright, well, i ended up going kinda wr heavy in my draft, although i ended up with some excellent receivers, but unfortunately, i'm lacking a third back and i figured i'd address this through trade as there are absolutely no good backs on the waiver wire.

 

here's my team:

 

qb jon kitna

rb frank gore

rb adrian peterson (min)

rb/wr anquan boldin

wr marvin harrison

wr chad johnson

te antonio gates

d/st packers d/st

k jason elam

be vince young

be reggie brown

be braylon edwards

be calvin johnson

be jason witten

be jay cutler

be brandon marshall

 

so far, i have two trade proposals on the table to two separate teams, and i have an unofficial discussion with my friend justin who's in the same league who said he'd give me cadillac williams, vernon davis, and laveranues coles for anquan boldin and antonio gates, but i told him i'd rather have deion branch in place of coles and he said he probably could do that. thing is ... i know gates is a lock for 1000 yards and at least 9-10 td's, and as much as i like vernon davis's upside, realistically i'd probably give up 25-50% of gates' production. i'm also very high up on boldin's numbers this year, as he's looked very sharp in preseason. not only that, but i'm very iffy on cadillac, as woeful as tampa bay's team is. i hear varying reports on him ... undervalued, overvalued, etc. it's difficult to gauge. another possibility i ran by my friend is to put willis mcgahee in instead of cadillac and i'd switch boldin to chad johnson. the numbers (projected points) work out in my favor, but willis mcgahee kinda scares me. any ideas on if either of these trades would be worth it?

 

the two trade proposals i've sent are:

 

jerious norwood for braylon edwards. i think that'd be a steal for me if i could get that.

and then i offered someone boldin and edwards for willie parker. i dunno if that'll get accepted or not.

 

so ... yeah. basically that's it. my main concern is with the possible trade with my friend and what i could give up for parker if that trade gets rejected.

 

 

Norwood over Edwards all day long--Dunn is older and more broken-down and I'd be very surprised to see him carry the bulk of the load again this year. Edwards is dependant on someone tossing the rock to the correct jersey.

 

McGahee for Johnson is intriguing--forget about pre-season, McGahee is a quality RB on a predominantly ball-control squad. He's guranteed the touches with little depth behind him.

 

Gates vs Davis--lots of upside for Davis, but Gates is proven. I'm not sure of TE production in Norv Turner's scheme--I know he utilizes them but he likes to stretch the field with WR's and toss underneat the TE, i.e. Irvin and Novacek. With that said, he's never had the red-zone threat that is Gates.

 

Cadillac is due for a bounce-back year with a more veteran and mobile QB in Gruden's system...should open up the D's a little. With that said, I had the chance to pick him up at a decent spot in the draft and I didn't.

 

Overall, if you feel you need to make a trade, of these options I would go with Chad Johnson for McGahee...you have Harrison, Bolden, and Reggie Brown with Calvin Johnson probably putting up good numbers in the 2nd half.

[raisedbywolves 0]

Norwood over Edwards all day long--Dunn is older and more broken-down and I'd be very surprised to see him carry the bulk of the load again this year. Edwards is dependant on someone tossing the rock to the correct jersey.

 

McGahee for Johnson is intriguing--forget about pre-season, McGahee is a quality RB on a predominantly ball-control squad. He's guranteed the touches with little depth behind him.

 

Gates vs Davis--lots of upside for Davis, but Gates is proven. I'm not sure of TE production in Norv Turner's scheme--I know he utilizes them but he likes to stretch the field with WR's and toss underneat the TE, i.e. Irvin and Novacek. With that said, he's never had the red-zone threat that is Gates.

 

Cadillac is due for a bounce-back year with a more veteran and mobile QB in Gruden's system...should open up the D's a little. With that said, I had the chance to pick him up at a decent spot in the draft and I didn't.

 

Overall, if you feel you need to make a trade, of these options I would go with Chad Johnson for McGahee...you have Harrison, Bolden, and Reggie Brown with Calvin Johnson probably putting up good numbers in the 2nd half.

 

yeah, but i think for me to get him to through in mcgahee, i'd have to substitute him in instead of cadillac ... so i'd still be giving up gates. so it'd be mcgahee, davis, and branch for chad johnson and antonio gates. i'd be getting a lot for that, certainly i'd lose a top 5 receiver, number 1 te to basically get a top 15 rb, a top 5 te, and a top 20 receiver instead. i dunno.

[mec411 0]

the two trade proposals i've sent are:

 

jerious norwood for braylon edwards. i think that'd be a steal for me if i could get that.

and then i offered someone boldin and edwards for willie parker. i dunno if that'll get accepted or not.

 

so ... yeah. basically that's it. my main concern is with the possible trade with my friend and what i could give up for parker if that trade gets rejected.

 

 

I think the norwood trade would work best for you...but only if this is a reality, as this person might not accept, though with my weak wr i might...FWP is hard to get, since he could blow up or at worst be a consistent top 12 back...thanks for your input

[raisedbywolves 0]

well, my friend just took the cadillac/v. davis/branch deal off the table 'cause he's convinced that he doesn't need boldin since he'll probably start reggie wayne and donald driver every week and that he doesn't like the thought of tatum bell being his third back, plus that the only real upgrade is gates. so, yeah, guess that's off the table.

[raisedbywolves 0]

alright, we're going a different direction now.

 

he offered me willis mcgahee, cadillac williams, and deion branch for frank gore and anquan boldin.

 

here's his team in case anyone wants to help me with some better counter-offers:

 

qb marc bulger

rb brian westbrook

rb willis mcgahee

rb/wr cadillac williams

wr reggie wayne

wr donald driver

te vernon davis

d/st steelers d/st

k adam vinatieri

be laveranues coles

be deion branch

be tatum bell

be ben roethlisberger

be greg olsen

be cowboys d/st

be tony hunt

[Texansfan 0]

damn man, you're loaded at wr. just find the guy with the weakest wrs and get the best rb from him that you can. you shouldn't have a problem...

[raisedbywolves 0]

unfortunately, the guy with the most rb's looks like a league no-show at the moment. so, yeah ... should be pretty easy, but it's not.