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  1. Posted

    51 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

    Our league is a 2QB league.  At least half of the first round every year are QB's, so I'll probably be able to get one or both of those guys in the draft without having to trade up.  But, I'll have to see what I can do with my keepers.  I just might try to trade him for a bunch of mid-round picks.  I might be able to get a 3rd, 4th, and 5th and maybe a lottery ticket player.

    makes sense.   in that format its the QB that go early and often as starting QB hold so much value.

    Good luck sir.

    also FYI I am also in a 2 QB league.  I fully get it.

  3. Posted

    1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

    He proved that he can win with the right pieces in place. I doubt he's the type to carry a team but how many QBs can? 

    Thats what the elite QB's get paid for.   

    hes a cut below elite, but still a good starting QB.

    I dont love him as a player, but I also dont see a better alternative for San Fran.   I think the deal is fair, and if they get/keep the right pieces in place around him I think he will be productive enough and the team has an outside shot at a superbowl.

    last couple years the biggest hindrance has been the relative health of the players around him.   but then again, this has been a running theme in San Fran as they seem to have more injuries on average than most NFL teams in recent years.

    but that isnt Brocks fault and I wont go into that issue here.

    hes a bit of a system QB but thats not an issue so long as the coach remains and he stays on the team.   I think hes his best version of himself in San Fran.  I dont think he goes to another team and performs better.   so this move was good for both sides and the money is at least in an acceptable range for both sides.

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  4. Posted

    5 hours ago, listen2me 23 said:

    So Brees is definitely not in if we are asking this.  

    What a silly thread.  

    These threads almost always go in a dumb direction.  but it gives us something to talk about in the offseason so I'll allow it ;) 

     

  6. Posted

    15 hours ago, nobody said:

    I don't know where you guys consume football, but I almost never see wide receivers described as security blankets.  It's always some mid TE.

    it can be occasionally a WR.  usually a slot WR or TE but occasionally. 

    when I think of a security blanket I think of a guy who wont drop a pass and who makes those critical 3rd and 4th down catches that are clutch.

  7. Posted

    well, at least the deal wasnt FULLY guaranteed like some other stupid contracts out there.

    it makes him the 8th highest paid QB in the NFL but only a little over 3 years out of the 5 year contract are guaranteed.

    While I honestly dont know that any player is worth that kind of money, in the context of what other players are making.... its probably fair in terms of what the market for QB looks like

    I'd say hes a cut below the top tier of QB

    and the average of the #6 to the #10 ranked QB in terms of salary is almost bang on to what he is getting paid.   He is fully in the range of where he should be.  (give or take about 1 mil per year)

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  8. Posted

    1 hour ago, JagFan said:

    He most likely will be, but he hasn’t been a “leader” on his teams.  He’s had a douche bag attitude.

    I think thats something that has emerged in the last couple of years.

    He was fine up to that point.   I do think he gets in the HOF.

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  10. Posted

    12 hours ago, JagFan said:

    He could avoid it by being a cry baby like Eli did.  Although that might not go over so well in today’s NFL.

    it only is something you can get away with if you are considered a franchise starting QB.      if you are not going top 2 or top 3 overall, this strategy backfires horribly as Mr. Sanders just found out.

  12. Posted

    4 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

    Damn, that's real money! 

    not NFL money, but pretty significant still.

    he takes a bit of a pay cut as a rookie.    but makes up for it once he finishes his rookie deal.

    personally, the decision to turn pro really should be about whether he needs an extra year to develop.   I'm now seeing kids turning pro early only to find they are not ready.

    and I think at QB its more important to play.     an extra year in college to prep for a pro career could be more valuable than sitting on the bench or playing on a bad team behind a leaky line.

    but that is not my call to make.  but I think the Manning family has 2 good resources (Peyton and Eli) who likely know what is best for him.   They know the QB position as much as any agent and can likely give a good evaluation that way.

     

  13. Posted

    1 hour ago, Maximum Overkill said:

    The family has been very open saying that they want him to be a 3 year starter before entering the NFL. It's not like the kid needs money, they just want him prepared. 

    I'd strongly doubt that he comes out in 2026 

    I had heard that too.

    it may also depend on which teams are in line to draft him early.   I suspect he will also want to avoid certain franchises which are a bit of a train wreck.   

  16. Posted

    1 hour ago, kilroy69 said:

    I give it 1 month tops into the season before parsons tries to kill him for taking plays off and putting the defense in a crappy position

    Jerrah wont stand for it.   if he starts pulling that crap, Jerrah will suspend him for conduct detrimental to the team for as long as the collective bargaining agreement allows him and after that he will let him sit.   dude will ask for his release and Jerrah likely wont do it.  he will just plant him on the bench and let him sit.   after a full year of non production he will not be resigned.

    Jerry jones one of those guys who is nice to you while you are pulling your weight.   but if you start problems he can be very petty that way.  he wont be pushed around.   anyone who tries will pay the price and he will make an example of them.

    this is not a good place to pull your Diva crap.     Jerry will put up with a certain amount if you are producing at an ELITE level, but that guy only has so much goodwill in him.   Anything less than elite performance and there is no give in that guy.

    so it will be interesting to follow.  but maybe a guy like Pickens needs that kind of management.    Some WR only behave like that because managment allows it.

    either way, its gonna be feast or famine with this guy.   I'm personally still undecided, but I dont blame you if you have him on your DND list.      Likely i'd hope he slides to a point where I can get him as a WR4.    That seems like a spot where I dont mind taking the risk on the guy.     I wouldnt draft him as one of my starters though.

  17. Posted

    4 hours ago, JagFan said:

    Breshard Smith has very similar size and speed to Chris Johnson.  He averaged 142 yards from scrimmage per game last year.  I’m not saying he’s as capable as Johnson, but that’s “who” he is.  You really just never know, but this is an offense that can get a guy like that the ball out in space.

    yeah, the speed makes him an interesting prospect.  but there are plenty of speedsters that dont seem to be able to cut it in the NFL.   NFL loves the speed because of the home run ability.   but the speed only matters once you get into the open field and it becomes a footrace.     but if he figures out how to read the play, read his blocks and break into the open field, THEN he becomes VERY dangerous.

    lol Lets hope he can make things happen.    Though Reids offenses are more complicated than a lot of NFL offenses.   its not often a rookie comes into that offense and makes a lot of noise.   so hes likely a better bet for next year after a year as a backup and special teams player.    but you never know.  an injury can sometimes change the timeline.

  18. Posted

    7 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

    Kansas City Chiefs:

    1) Pacheco - returned from a broken leg mid-season and didn't look great (3.7 ypc). Probably why he was sparingly used in the playoffs. Chiefs didn't offer an extension so now in the final year of his (7th rd) rookie deal which means peanuts... $1.1 mil. Very motivated to prove his worth for next year's contract with Chiefs or whoever.

    2) Hunt - 200 carries and a sad 3.6 ypc. The Chiefs resigned him to a 1-year deal ($1.5 mil).  Was good at short-yardage/goal lines finishing with 7 Tds. Turns 30 yo in a couple months. 

    3) Mitchell - free-agent from Niners were he was often injured, but decent while healthy. Chiefs gave him a 1-year $2.5 mil deal.

    4) Smith - who? Chiefs 7th rd draft pick Brashard Smith. Supposedly a speedster and probably relegated to special teams... but who knows. 

    Everyone and their uncle predicted the Chiefs were gonna invest a high draft pick in Rb this year. Didn't happen so does that show confidence in Pacheco returning to '23 form?  Do they expect Mitchell to stay healthy and perhaps take over the lead?  Will Hunt continue to vulture short Tds? Pacheco has been going first in mocks - late 8th rd. Good value if he does return to old form - and the Chiefs actually give him decent volume. But in that murky mess, hard to predict anything. Anyone care to venture a guess?

    well, pacheco has an injury that has a slow recovery time.   I dont even know why KC tried to bring him back last year.  I knew he wouldnt be ready.   He may even  take a few games to get to a point where he is himself again this season.

    Hunt is on a team friendly deal.  they will keep him for whatever role they have in mind for him.  hes a good enough receiver, a good short yardage back and hes good enough that he can start in a pinch.   Hes just not your ideal starting RB.

    Smith is likely a developmental project.   He is fast.  but needs some coaching.  like you said, probably special teams.

    not sure what to make of Mitchell.  I'm sure reid has some role in mind.  if pacheco isnt fully healthy this is likely a committee to start the year.

  19. Posted

    12 minutes ago, kcBlitzkrieg said:

    Good for DAK and Ceedee. 

    OK for George.  Still be a high volatility player.  TDs likely see a bump.  Cooks 2023 type of season 800 / 8.  

    possibly.

    He could do better.      I'd argue that the floor is low and the ceiling is high with a player like this.

     

  21. Posted

    22 hours ago, GobbleDog said:

    Jaguars Rb riddle - gold to be mined, but I can't decipher the code. Jags have a new coach - Liam Coen, former Bucs o-coordinator.

    Prior regime picked up Etienne's 5th year option, but the new coach reportedly isn't thrilled with the inefficient running. Tank is still there, but hasn't impressed. Jags drafted two more Rbs this year... a 4th on Bhayshul Tuten (speedster Rb with size) and a 7th on LeQuint Allen (receiving specialist/pass blocker). All have low adp's, so there's value somewhere... just not sure where. We'll see where things stand in the coming months.

    Interestingly Coen was at the Bucs when they drafted Bucky Irving in the 4th. Perhaps the coach sees Tuten as his next Irving.?.

    you are likely onto something there. 

    I definitely think one of the vets is on the bubble to some extent.    but its too early to say for sure.    I dont think they are happy with the way the run game has gone the last year or so.    So It would not surprise me if change is on the way in some way, shape, or form.

  22. Posted

    On 4/17/2025 at 5:10 PM, kilroy69 said:

    There are absolutely no repercussions for tanking. The browns did it for draft picks with hugh jackson and got away with it. They just squandered them because they are the browns. Even if they did fine you or take a draft pick away it would likely not be the first and If you can get a shot at Arch manning the cost would be well worth it. 

    there are always repercussions for tanking.   The biggest one is you lose fans.   if the fan base gets cheezed off and ticket sales slump, the team wont be making the money it was.

    Thats why retread first round picks stick around.    Teams will bring them in and attempt to rehab them and at least give the impression they are trying to be competitive.    I get a laugh when people ask why.    I'm like..... team still has to sell tickets.  if it looks like a last place team a lot of people wont buy.   but if it looks like they will at least be competitive, people will buy even if they think the team may lose as many as it wins.

    but when the team bottoms out the fan base gets disillusioned.

  23. Posted

    1 hour ago, TBayXXXVII said:

    There's a lot of off the wall Bucs homers that think what the Saints are doing is awesome because they think the Saints are in a downward spiral and making things worse.  I'm not sure about that.  I, like you, think they're going to take the process of building the line and then giving Shough a shot.  If they're right about him, that he was the second best QB in the draft and should've been a 1st round pick, then the Saints will likely be a playoff contender in 2026.

    true.   

    But then again, you could say that about any QB drafted in almost any year.   if they actually deserve to be a first round pick they will turn the fortunes of that team around quickly.

    This is a bit unique in the sense that when you say this about a guy not selected in round 1.    But I think it can actually happen.   Obviously there are no guarantees, but I like this kid a lot.  in the old days when drop back, pocket passers were all the rage, a guy like this MIGHT have been a first round pick.

    I do think at some point the pendulum will swing and people will realize there is still a lot of value in the pocket passer.  Not everyone can be Lamar Jackson or Jaylan Hurts.

    and for every Lamar, there are likely 2 or 3 Teebow or malik Willis types out there.   The running QB who can actually throw and read a defense is not all that common.   but if the team as a whole is solid from top to bottom, a pocket passer who can throw, read a defense and do a good job with their progressions can still get it done for you.   I think some teams have forgotten this.

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  24. Posted

    20 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

    (bolded)  This is what they were saying as to why they didn't draft Shough first and went with the OT @ #10 overall.  Remember, the Saints drafted an OT last year in R1 as well.  They also signed 3 OL in free agency.  Now, none were big name guys, but it does look like that's their plan.

    well, it feels like a fair plan.  hopefully they stick to it.   I dont mind giving the kid a cup of coffee late in the season (especialy if the line is performing)   but we shall see.

  25. Posted

    12 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

    Heard on NFL radio over the weekend that the Saints had Shough as the #2 QB in this draft and had a 1st rd grade on him.  They apparently tried to move back into the 1st round, but couldn't.

    its funny I looked at some tape of this kid and I can see why.

    hes not going to be a huge threat to run, though he does have the ability.    biggest concern from what I can see is his ability to stay healthy.   for that reason I think he will be exclusively an pocket passer because I wouldnt want to risk extra hits on a guy who already has injury issues.

    I'd also have him redshirt a year and focus on the O line.   Pro football network has a pre season ranking of 24 out of 30 teams.    to keep him healthy I think you need to have a line that is better than this.    I'd say you want AT LEAST an average line but preferably better than average.

     

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