Zap 0 Posted November 4, 2003 I'd like everyone to comment here even if it is very briefly. Thanks This being year one of what I hope to be many, I thought the midpoint a good time to discuss the league. This isn't the thread to boast or whine about your team. I'm interested in input regarding our "unique" format. Miss kickers? I sure don't. If I should fail to qualify in the top seven, does anyone here want the fuhnership? In my initial announcements about this league, I did leave myself an automatic slot in future years under the disclaimer "fuhnership has its priveleges". And frankly, I want to come back next year no matter what. Whatever's fair (or not). lol I also want to move to a pay site supported by the league next season. It seems only CBSsportsline supports IDPs as far as I know, and their sites run a buck fifty ($150). What type of fee is comfortable for next season? This year's champ gets free entry, so in that regard, we are playing for small time coin already. I'll be living in Maui (90% chance) this time next year (much earlier actually), and I have contemplated making this a 100 dollar league, with the winner taking the pot; which would pay for a trip to the islands and the Pro Bowl. eek! Pretty cool idea that would involve a little more research, but it is doable. 11x100=$1,100 to work with (this year's champ exempt, not me). I'm sure I can make that fly. But maybe 100 dollars a pop is too steep for some? A 40 dollar league would cover the site, and leave some money for the champ, the runnerup, and the overall scoring leader, or whatever. Thoughts? Would 7 IDPs, 2DL, 2LB, 2DB, 1 flex be more fun? More challenging? Better? 7 on O and 7 on D? It would better deplete waivers, which is something that generates more trading. Is it best left alone? The historical integrity of league stats would be unaltered if the format is unaltered. Should the 5 losers be completely ousted, or should they be allowed to resubmit themselves with whoever else wants in next year? Finally, as far as the lack of a strong and fun league discussion is something I partly blame myself for. Had I stayed on top of the Weekly, or even provided an abbreviated matchup thread, I think there would have been more invovlement. However, this board does generate more posts on a weekly basis than many other FFToday geek league's do. I have more to put on the table, but figure that is enough for now. I hope this thread doesn't turn into merely a debate/discussion between me and t.j... Maybe those with the most interest get a feather in their cap for next year's applications ->? wink Feel free to bring up anything I haven't covered. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted November 4, 2003 NK = great fuhnership = no thanks pay league = ehhhhh Maui trip = decent prize $100 = not too steep 7 IDP = 5 IDP (equally good, IMO) 5 losers out = too many IMO -2 for turnovers = not enough (-3) other rules = good IMO I'll be interested to see what others think. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zap 0 Posted November 4, 2003 t.j:pay league = ehhhhh Maui trip = decent prize $100 = not too steep I'm a little :confused: Roll eyes at a pay league in general or at paying for a site?? If it's the money in general, then I disagree. Even a token entry fee seems to generate more excitement. Maybe I'm a gambler by nature?? If it's paying for a site, then you probably make a good point. The live scoring and draft room are the main differences in what Yahoo offers for free (if it's free next year). Of course, the pay sites look cooler, but... that's no thang. t.j: I'll be interested to see what others think. Me too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sisters of No Mercy 0 Posted November 4, 2003 NK=excellent fuhnership = doing a fine job (ie; NOT IT!! ) pay league = My Fantasy League supports IDP and is cheaper than Sportsline Maui trip = I prefer ciz-ash $100 = not too steep 7 IDP = 5 IDP (what t.j. said) 5 losers out = too many IMO (what t.j. said) As for the overall prizes next year, I'd prefer a deal where 3rd gets there entry fee back, 2nd gets like 150 and the winner takes the rest. I'm a gambler too, but winner takes ALL is a little hardcore... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diesel07 0 Posted November 4, 2003 I agree with everyone elses' comments. NK= Good for me Funnership= 1,2,3....NOT IT pay league= Im down! Depending on my financial status of next year...$100 may be a lil too high. Im what you call a broke azz college student living at home Prize= I agree 100% with what Sister said 7 IDP's= 5 IDP's is good. Leave "Some" depth on the waiver wire. 5 losers out= Way too many IMO. We shouldn't need to kick anyone out, unless there's an owner we can all agree on thats been not so competitive. As long as the people here get along great and we have fun, why not invite back the losers? Also, could we add some bonus points or something? Say if a QB throws for 400+ yards, that owner should get like +5 or +10 points. Or if a RB breaks 200 total yards, he get like 5 points. Just a suggestion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teddyt 0 Posted November 4, 2003 First off, I'd just like to say that I'm having a blast playing in this league. I love the competition...I'd rather finish last in a league like this, than first with a bunch of guys without a clue. As far as the league goes...here's my thoughts... No Kickers = Good Idea. I was skeptical at first, but it's grown on me. Takes away a bit of the luck and/or random factor which is good. Funnership= A job well done...and one that I wouldn't want...thank you very much... Using a pay site = Why bother? Unless it has a distinct advantage over the free yahoo site, I'd rather see the dough going to the team that earns it. I have to admit, though, I don't have a lot of experience with sites other than yahoo and cbssportsline. Prize Money - $100 is cool with me...even for a Canadian where that equals around $3 billion dollars or something like that. I can always mortgage my igloo Hawaii is a cool idea, but I'd prefer the cash...otherwise I'd have to dole out for my wife to come along. I also like Sister idea of prizes for second, third, etc...especially if the pot is over $1000. 7 IDP's= 5 IDP's I'd prefer the 5 player version. I am a big fan of 'history' and 'statistics'...why fix what isn't broken. 5 losers out= I agree...way too many...and that's not just because I'm on the bubble. We seem to have a bunch of competitive players here...why knock out 5 people without any guarantees about who you will get as replacements. Again, if it ain't broke, why fix it? I'm a big fan of continuity...the first league I broke into fantasy football with 6 years ago has only seen 1 memeber change over that span...and that is what makes it so much fun.. You build up rivalries and grudges... If we had to lose anyone, my suggestion would be have the bottom four teams playoff...and the loser of the "Relegation Bracket" be the team eliminated. Anyways, there's my input, for what it's worth... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zap 0 Posted November 4, 2003 Thanks for the input so far. Seems we have a bunch of TR lovers here. And let me say, TR, you do an amazing job for Mike here. Those of you who don't check out the IDP information at FFToday are missing out on an education. The first year Mike added IDP rankings, he solicited my efforts based on my posts in an IDP thread/argument/debate that I "tied" with the owner of another big FF site. I didn't do a tenth the quality of work TR is doing on IDPs. I would go so far to say that FFToday has gone from an IDP vacuum to the top source for IDP info around. :bigthumbsup: You deserve a GOIDPANKAL exemption based on this alone. Now turn that embarrassing team of yours around. I don't like the idea of telling anyone in this league, "Sorry, don't let the door hit ya in the ass." I just felt like this being a redraft, it needed something to 'intensify the competition on an annual basis', and the idea of giving invites back to the top 7 'only' seemed to do that. I still like the idea of rewarding the top 7 based on our playoff structure and an idea is formulating that may be true to my initial objective w/o booting those who want to stay. More on that when the fog clears and after I read more input. Keep it coming. Curious to find out if l13r has changed his opinion of using kickers. If we decide to uphold the integrity of historical league stats, then the bonus idea put forth by Diesel would go the way of the 7 IDP idea put forth by me. Oh and there is a part of me that finds it a little funny that you lose your spot if you suxor. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted November 4, 2003 Diesel07:Also, could we add some bonus points or something? Say if a QB throws for 400+ yards, that owner should get like +5 or +10 points. Or if a RB breaks 200 total yards, he get like 5 points. Just a suggestion. Please God No! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ayatollah 0 Posted November 5, 2003 NK = love it fuhnership = i think you're doing a fine job, i wouldn't know what to do with it quite honestly pay league = like the other guy said why bother. if the free leagues work fine the money can go to the prize pot. Maui trip = coo, cash or that would be great. $100 = I'd say it's too steep if the money is going back to only one or two players. I'm a gambling man too. But that's like playing a 5 game parlay, the payoff is amazing but more than likely you're out an easy 100 bucks. 7 IDP = i think 5 is perfect. 7 might water down the rosters a little bit. 5 losers out = I wouldn't mind seeing everybody comeback as long as everybody is competitive and active. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sisters of No Mercy 0 Posted November 5, 2003 My Fantasy League is the shiz-nit. It's only like 80 bucks. The way we work it in the league I run is everybody kicks in a little extra so that the pot is untouched. Things I dig about the site; live scoring, teams can post their own logos (comish has gotta keep tabs on the size of the pictures so the home page doesn't look like arse, but that ain't no thang), top players page (stats sortable in just about every concievable way) and the fact that the commish can work the home-page in any way desired. Here's a link to the homepage for the league I run for those of you interested in seeing what it looks like: http://football7.myfantasyleague.com/2003/home/16162 Now, it's only an 8 team league, so don't give me any she-ite! I've been trying to get my buddies to expand the league for a few years, and it looks like we'll finally be doing so next year....so there! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted November 5, 2003 Sisters of No Mercy:http://football7.myfantasyleague.com/2003/home/16162 "Sisters of No Mercy" sure has a lot more meaning with that logo!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sisters of No Mercy 0 Posted November 5, 2003 HA HA! I love my team logo in that league. The logo kind of begged for the name.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zap 0 Posted December 6, 2003 Zap: I still like the idea of rewarding the top 7 based on our playoff structure and an idea is formulating that may be true to my initial objective w/o booting those who want to stay. More on that when the fog clears and after I read more input. Keep it coming. Bumping this for more input. It seems there's strong interest to qualify for the 7 invitations to return. It also seems there's a strong feeling that amputating five of you is a bit much. I think I've made it clear why I wanted to do that, but sending out a recruiting post and screening new members is not high on my list of things to do. So, let me ask this question: Is there anyone who does NOT want to return regardless of standings?? Remember there will be a little coin (tba) involved next season. Honestly, I have no qualms about letting everybody back, or axing the five bottom feeders. It's all good to me. I'm still considering an "other" reward for the top 7, but not set on anything. Any ideas there? A geek IDP league, with its own FFToday board, would not seem right if we don't have TR (IDP Tony) to kick around! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teddyt 0 Posted December 6, 2003 I want back in, BABY! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sisters of No Mercy 0 Posted December 8, 2003 I definitly want back in! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted December 9, 2003 Yeah, a little coin wont hurt i guess.....so long as we have porn at the draft Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tusekan Raiders 0 Posted December 11, 2003 I am definitely interested in returning, but my team definitely sucked ass this year, so if that's the way you want to go, that's the way you want to go. I have no problem with that. Of course, I blame the preseason jinx ranking of my team and the chaos at the end of the draft that had me forget about Bulger wink Anyway, it hasn't been for lack of effort, in which case, I could understand why you'd want to eliminate the deadweight. I've made moves pretty much every week, as needed, and kept my lineup competitive (well, as much as it could be with my busts and injuries). I think top to bottom everyone has given a good effort, and that is why I'd like to return. That's the toughest thing with an internet league, and I didn't recognize about half the guys in the league when we started, so it's been great to have such a solid group. One jackass can ruin the season by dumping his team or if he stops competing, and I always figure, no matter how bad you are doing, you owe it to the guys competing for playoff spots to remain competitive until the end. I don't remember any week I faced someone and their lineup was obviously negligent (I think my record would be a little better if there were ), and no one can say that about me. The more IDPs, the merrier, to me. I'm all for going the whole nine yards, like we do in Ironman, with 11 and 3-4, 4-3, or nickel lineups (1-2 DT, 2 DE, 2-4 LB, 2-3 S, 2-3 CB). I too would have to pass on commish. Doing the IDP stuff for Mike is pretty time consuming. I also need to cut back on a league or two next year (obviously if I'm invited back, not this one...trying to weed out those lingering Team D leagues...hopefully I'll win the 4Board League this year and the decision to let someone else from FFToday "represent" will be easy). I'm not opposed to a $ league, but I don't know if CBS is worth it. I play in a couple IDPs on myfantasyleague and it's cheaper, exponetially better support, more reliable, and much more flexible than CBS. Frankly, if we don't change things vastly to require more flexibility, Yahoo seemed to work fine, and the price is right. While I think the idea of a trip to Maui is cool, being married with 2 kids and another on the way, makes taking such a trip solo unlikely (and that's right, I plan on winning next year if I'm back), so I'd have to be a no vote, or decline returning, on a big money league if the prize was specifically that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RLLD 4,143 Posted December 12, 2003 If we are going to foot up coin, what will that money be for again? Are all opposed to the Yahoo site in so far as our resource? Would there be a preference for another service? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zap 0 Posted December 12, 2003 Ray Lewis's Limo Driver: If we are going to foot up coin, what will that money be for again? Are all opposed to the Yahoo site in so far as our resource? Would there be a preference for another service? As long as Yahoo is free next year, I guess it served our purpose well and we can save the money by using it again. There doesn't seem to be a passionate need to pay for a site. Personally, I think a site of our own with a few more bells and whistles is more fun, but so is more money for prizes. I honestly have no preference. Yahoo may not be free next year, and that's just a heads up to multi-league geeks everwhere. As for preference, those in the know, which I am not, seem to prefer MyFantasyLeague. As for our fee and it's use, that's open for discussion. I suggest something between 40 and 100 bucks (still tba), and this year's champ comes back for free. The minimum would be a 440 dollar pot (unless we pay for a site), the maximum would be a tasty 1100 bones. My preference would be to award the lion's share to the champ along with free entry the following season. The regular season points leader and runner-up would both be refunded the league fee (which = free entry). Everyone else can suxor hind teet. This is how my old money league worked, and maybe I'm just comfortable with that and a more elaborate pay out is more fun. I'm open. t.j said we need a trophy. I guess that could be fun and very affordable. If by some strange turn of events I lose a game in the playoffs, I suppose I can spring for RLLD's trophy this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ayatollah 0 Posted December 14, 2003 I definitely want to come back. This is a good group, everybody's competitive and everybody knows what they're doing. That's all I ask for in a fantasy league, is for everybody to be competitive and active to make it fun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
friar 0 Posted December 17, 2003 As I have previously stated, I am sorry for being inactive for extended periods of time. My fate will be determined by you guys as I did not end up well to be able to say I am in or not for next year. Nevertheless, here is my input: 1 - I like dollar leagues. I would want to be in one with this crowd. 2 - I would not prefer to attend the Pro-Bowl. 3 - A pay site could be a good idea, provided they deliver the difference. Reliable service rather than live scoring is my priority. 4 - No kickers and redraft were good strategies. 5 - 7 Defensive players makes it more challanging for sure, as we can not seem to really get rid of the offensive mind of thinking. Believe me there will be plenty at that waiver wire. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PIK 95 2 Posted December 19, 2003 Ray Lewis's Limo Driver: Yeah, a little coin wont hurt i guess.....so long as we have porn at the draft I promised myself no more pay leagues but if there is porn involved I can list it as that on my debits/credits. I payed more attention to this league because I was afraid of being booted. That being said if we go to $, it's going to be real tuff replacing guys. Also, I am poor. So please not to much for the fees. Thanks pointsto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FourTwoOh 0 Posted June 4, 2004 *knocks away a few cobwebs* 'm even elgible for next season{sure would love to be}, but if I am, would like to start nailing down some potential draft dates soon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zap 0 Posted June 4, 2004 You are in. Our last discussion ended allowing everyone to return whom so desired, mostly for me anyway, because Tusekan got his arse kicked so bad, I just have to have the last place finisher back to redeem himself. Never mind his awesome FFToday representation elsewhere. I don't clear the fantasy football cobwebs until after the NBA season. Baseball has no interest for me until September. I was planning on herding the sheep around here in a few weeks and see what we have. I anticipate a little recruiting, but cannot be sure. For instance I haven't seen a sign of Ayatollah, l13r, SOMN, or teddy since the season ended. There may be one more. They all have access to this board. If they haven't surfaced by 1 July, I'll start replacing them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FourTwoOh 0 Posted June 4, 2004 You are in. Cool. Looking forward to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diesel07 0 Posted June 5, 2004 Hey guys, glad to see mostly everyone's back. I love this league. It's full of a bunch of great guys and i can't wait to get revenge on you Zap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lord13rahl 0 Posted June 7, 2004 Now that I caught a little bit on the posts...I see that Zap has indeed allowed my humble but a chance to compete again. Hell, I don't even know the final results. Can someone post them for S & G. Also, was there a final outcome on the money question for the league? I am in for whatever the leagues wants to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Diesel07 0 Posted June 7, 2004 yah im still confused about the $ too, as well as what site were going to be using. I'm down for whatever cause im gonna take it all anyways, right Zap Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zap 0 Posted June 8, 2004 I was willing to go as low as $20 for one owner who had "starving student" type issues. I was willing to go $100 if we wanted some nice winnings. Hell, I'm willing to whip you all for free again. I'll start dragging t.j, RLLD, TR, and PIK in here soon, and we can hash it out. Lemme go look for final standings. Ah why? I WON. That's all that matters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
