Falcons should start Matt at QB

[beantownbrown 0]

Micheal Vick is 27-13 as a starter. You have to gameplan for him like no other player in the league. Warrick Dunn would not have the lanes w/o Vick. The guy is awesome and has no one to throw the ball to.

He has nobody to throw to? Come on, that is just not the case. How did Schaub put up those huge numbers with nobody to throw to?

 

Admit he is not a passing QB, and no he is not any good at it. The least accurate passer in the NFL. If the guy has to throw 20 times there is a good chance he throws at least a couple INTs.

 

What makes him effective is his ability to run like no other QB. Hats off the Mora for using him like he should. If Vick can eliminate the turnovers people would complain less about his lack of passing stats. It's not the lack of stats, it's the turnovers he needs to work on.

He threw it 49 times! That's how he put up big yardage #s. If you consider Finneran and Jenkins primo targets, you're mistaken. They're alright targets, but lets not ordain them as the next Bruce/Holt combo in the NFL or anything.

Who was ordaining them that? The point is a good passing QB gets production out of his receivers, Schaub did. He threw it 49 times with great success, you are trying to downplay his performance to support your belief that Vick is really "awesome" at passing and it's his receivers fault. Nobody is buying that. You can say Vick is good without lying about his lack of ability to pass the ball effectively. If you want to praise Vick, praise him for what he is actually doing. He is not a passer, he is a runner. If you rely on Vick's arm to win you games, you won't. If you rely on his legs and playmaking ability on the run, you will.

 

Vick has obvious talent, and it should be very obvious what that talent is.

[Captian America 0]

First, thank you for covering the -8 Falcons... scared me for a second. 

 

Vick should give up the QB gig... he just looks bad.  But he is a heck of a runner... with Duckett down, Vick and Dunn would be perfect in the backfield.

 

Matt is clearly a better passing QB... but isn't that what a QB should do, pass???

I've been saying this for 2 years now and all you get is Vick wins which is a bunch of crap I guess The defense didn't have anything to do with the win again last night.

I'm not going to argue this all day but if you know me I state facts and that will do my talking. 1st Vick is ranked 29th just above Orton and Harrington with a 63% QB rating, 2nd Vick is tied for 23rd place with 5 passing TDS, 3rd Vick is ranked 15th with fewest INTs with 6. So Vick has completed 66 out of 126 passes for a 52.4 %, Has only thrown 5 TDs and has 6 INTs and you people are going to sit there and try to sell us football people this piece of crap . No Thanks! you keep him and waste your money because I guarantee you he is not starting for any of the top teams in your leagues. I guess the reason Vick only got 18 yards rushing on 9 carries for a 2 ypc last night was because the Jets where stacking the line and you couldn't rush against them, Oh wait I forgot wasn't the same group stacking the line when Dunn ran for 155 yards last night? But Vick has no receivers more stupid crap they seemed to do alright when Matt was throwing to them and what's funny the last two drafts Atlanta used their Number 1 Picks on Wide Receivers. So I guess once again Vick wins never mind Dunn's 155 yards and the Defense getting 4 turnovers and scoring a TD on one of them. By the way as bad as Vinny played last night his stats were 11-18 with 140 yards and 1 INT, Vick's 11-26 116 yards and 3 INTs. CASE CLOSED so don't bother replying with anymore stupid crap just look at the facts.

Yes, all run out and grab Vinny with his 140 yards. This is probably the dumbest thing I have read in a while. CASE CLOSED?...Vinny threw for 140 yards.....great.

"By the way as bad as Vinny played last night his stats were 11-18 with 140 yards and 1 INT, Vick's 11-26 116 yards and 3 INTs. CASE CLOSED" Don't forget his 3 fumbles making sure the Jets had no chance last night. By the way, this whole post is about Vick not being a great passer...no kidding. The bottom line is that the team wins with him and they will continue to do so.

Where in the hell did I say go grab Vinny I was just pointing out the fact that as bad as Vinny sucked he had better stats than Vick.

See Vick has the best stats its called Wins...

 

No clever retort to my above post?

Done wasting my time with you, you have got to be getting ready for school now or you are a complete idiot to say Vick had better stats than Vinny when it was clearly pointed out to you. I swear if there is a business man out there with money and wants to make a killing here is an idea for you make rubber Vick penises for all his lovers so they can have something to munch on when they watch the Falcons.

[mdubz 0]

ok play vick at runningback...he will last maybe 2 and 1/2 quarters if hes lucky before he gets hurt. hes a quarterback and a winning quarterback at that.

[bigmarc27 24]

Micheal Vick is 27-13 as a starter. You have to gameplan for him like no other player in the league. Warrick Dunn would not have the lanes w/o Vick. The guy is awesome and has no one to throw the ball to.

He has nobody to throw to? Come on, that is just not the case. How did Schaub put up those huge numbers with nobody to throw to?

 

Admit he is not a passing QB, and no he is not any good at it. The least accurate passer in the NFL. If the guy has to throw 20 times there is a good chance he throws at least a couple INTs.

 

What makes him effective is his ability to run like no other QB. Hats off the Mora for using him like he should. If Vick can eliminate the turnovers people would complain less about his lack of passing stats. It's not the lack of stats, it's the turnovers he needs to work on.

He threw it 49 times! That's how he put up big yardage #s. If you consider Finneran and Jenkins primo targets, you're mistaken. They're alright targets, but lets not ordain them as the next Bruce/Holt combo in the NFL or anything.

Who was ordaining them that? The point is a good passing QB gets production out of his receivers, Schaub did. He threw it 49 times with great success, you are trying to downplay his performance to support your belief that Vick is really "awesome" at passing and it's his receivers fault. Nobody is buying that. You can say Vick is good without lying about his lack of ability to pass the ball effectively. If you want to praise Vick, praise him for what he is actually doing. He is not a passer, he is a runner. If you rely on Vick's arm to win you games, you won't. If you rely on his legs and playmaking ability on the run, you will.

 

Vick has obvious talent, and it should be very obvious what that talent is.

I never said Vick was a good passer, I do believe he is an average passer, though. I'm saying that everyone in here is saying push Schaub into the QB spot when he is a statistically worse passer than Vick at this point in his career. I like Schaub very much and think he'll be a top 10 QB during his career, but for people to say he should start over Vick is ignorant. Schaub had a nice game against the Pats, but lets no go overboard - he was chucking it all day long. If you heave it up 49 times and you don't put up some passing yards, then there's a real problem.

 

I feel confident we can win with Schaub, but he'll never get his shot in Atlanta unless there's an injury. Vick wins at too high of a clip.

[Captian America 0]

I'm out of here you Vick Lovers are just Idiots and I can't waste anymore of my time with you. Whew! I'm glad there is only about 10 of you because it would really scare me if I thought American people were that F##king dumb. Good Bye catch you on another subject.

[bigmarc27 24]

I'm out of here you Vick Lovers are just Idiots and I can't waste anymore of my time with you. Whew! I'm glad there is only about 10 of you because it would really scare me if I thought American people were that F##king dumb. Good Bye catch you on another subject.

Falcons are 5-1 when Vick starts this year.

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no he should win

Ben Rothlenburger is the best football player ever and it's not even close, right? Since Big Ben is easily the best football player ever, we probably should start the arguement of whether or not Big Ben is the best professional sports player ever. How many other players in other leagues are so far ahead of the second best player in that particular sport? Not many if any at all. Funny how individual performance/success in a team sport is so easily equated to team wins and losses.

[bigmarc27 24]

no he should win

Ben Rothlenburger is the best football player ever and it's not even close, right? Since Big Ben is easily the best football player ever, we probably should start the arguement of whether or not Big Ben is the best professional sports player ever. How many other players in other leagues are so far ahead of the second best player in that particular sport? Not many if any at all. Funny how individual performance/success in a team sport is so easily equated to team wins and losses.

I would say Big Ben is pretty damn important to the Steelers... He may hand off a lot, but apparently Tommy Maddox couldn't follow his lead a couple of weeks ago and they lost.

 

I would say a QB with that high of a win % is pretty important, wouldn't you?

[OMN 0]

First, thank you for covering the -8 Falcons... scared me for a second. 

 

Vick should give up the QB gig... he just looks bad.  But he is a heck of a runner... with Duckett down, Vick and Dunn would be perfect in the backfield.

 

Matt is clearly a better passing QB... but isn't that what a QB should do, pass???

I've been saying this for 2 years now and all you get is Vick wins which is a bunch of crap I guess The defense didn't have anything to do with the win again last night.

I'm not going to argue this all day but if you know me I state facts and that will do my talking. 1st Vick is ranked 29th just above Orton and Harrington with a 63% QB rating, 2nd Vick is tied for 23rd place with 5 passing TDS, 3rd Vick is ranked 15th with fewest INTs with 6. So Vick has completed 66 out of 126 passes for a 52.4 %, Has only thrown 5 TDs and has 6 INTs and you people are going to sit there and try to sell us football people this piece of crap . No Thanks! you keep him and waste your money because I guarantee you he is not starting for any of the top teams in your leagues. I guess the reason Vick only got 18 yards rushing on 9 carries for a 2 ypc last night was because the Jets where stacking the line and you couldn't rush against them, Oh wait I forgot wasn't the same group stacking the line when Dunn ran for 155 yards last night? But Vick has no receivers more stupid crap they seemed to do alright when Matt was throwing to them and what's funny the last two drafts Atlanta used their Number 1 Picks on Wide Receivers. So I guess once again Vick wins never mind Dunn's 155 yards and the Defense getting 4 turnovers and scoring a TD on one of them. By the way as bad as Vinny played last night his stats were 11-18 with 140 yards and 1 INT, Vick's 11-26 116 yards and 3 INTs. CASE CLOSED so don't bother replying with anymore stupid crap just look at the facts.

Yes, all run out and grab Vinny with his 140 yards. This is probably the dumbest thing I have read in a while. CASE CLOSED?...Vinny threw for 140 yards.....great.

"By the way as bad as Vinny played last night his stats were 11-18 with 140 yards and 1 INT, Vick's 11-26 116 yards and 3 INTs. CASE CLOSED" Don't forget his 3 fumbles making sure the Jets had no chance last night. By the way, this whole post is about Vick not being a great passer...no kidding. The bottom line is that the team wins with him and they will continue to do so.

Where in the hell did I say go grab Vinny I was just pointing out the fact that as bad as Vinny sucked he had better stats than Vick.

See Vick has the best stats its called Wins...

 

No clever retort to my above post?

Done wasting my time with you, you have got to be getting ready for school now or you are a complete idiot to say Vick had better stats than Vinny when it was clearly pointed out to you. I swear if there is a business man out there with money and wants to make a killing here is an idea for you make rubber Vick penises for all his lovers so they can have something to munch on when they watch the Falcons.

I figured you would not be able to reply as your responses have lacked content and thought. Good job hiding that with an insult, and a really good insult at that. Oh "shouldn't you be getting ready for school" Football analysis gold! I'm going to go cry into my pillow.

 

Again:

 

Falcons 2002 w/Vick: 9-6-1 playoffs

Falcons 2003 w/o Vick: 5-11 (3-2) games Vick came back to start so really 2-9 w/o Vick

Falcons 2004 w/Vick: 11-5 playoffs

Falcons 2005: w/Vick: 5-2

 

You are simply too focking stupid to understand how Vick impacts the game and how he wins despite his complete lack of touch. Oh and Vinny has the same career passer rating as Vick. Perhaps the Falcons should grab Jeff George with his 80.4 career passer rating....its only 7 points behind Favre and 5 ahead of Vick. ###### you are one owned ######.

[bigmarc27 24]

First, thank you for covering the -8 Falcons... scared me for a second. 

 

Vick should give up the QB gig... he just looks bad.  But he is a heck of a runner... with Duckett down, Vick and Dunn would be perfect in the backfield.

 

Matt is clearly a better passing QB... but isn't that what a QB should do, pass???

I've been saying this for 2 years now and all you get is Vick wins which is a bunch of crap I guess The defense didn't have anything to do with the win again last night.

I'm not going to argue this all day but if you know me I state facts and that will do my talking. 1st Vick is ranked 29th just above Orton and Harrington with a 63% QB rating, 2nd Vick is tied for 23rd place with 5 passing TDS, 3rd Vick is ranked 15th with fewest INTs with 6. So Vick has completed 66 out of 126 passes for a 52.4 %, Has only thrown 5 TDs and has 6 INTs and you people are going to sit there and try to sell us football people this piece of crap . No Thanks! you keep him and waste your money because I guarantee you he is not starting for any of the top teams in your leagues. I guess the reason Vick only got 18 yards rushing on 9 carries for a 2 ypc last night was because the Jets where stacking the line and you couldn't rush against them, Oh wait I forgot wasn't the same group stacking the line when Dunn ran for 155 yards last night? But Vick has no receivers more stupid crap they seemed to do alright when Matt was throwing to them and what's funny the last two drafts Atlanta used their Number 1 Picks on Wide Receivers. So I guess once again Vick wins never mind Dunn's 155 yards and the Defense getting 4 turnovers and scoring a TD on one of them. By the way as bad as Vinny played last night his stats were 11-18 with 140 yards and 1 INT, Vick's 11-26 116 yards and 3 INTs. CASE CLOSED so don't bother replying with anymore stupid crap just look at the facts.

Yes, all run out and grab Vinny with his 140 yards. This is probably the dumbest thing I have read in a while. CASE CLOSED?...Vinny threw for 140 yards.....great.

"By the way as bad as Vinny played last night his stats were 11-18 with 140 yards and 1 INT, Vick's 11-26 116 yards and 3 INTs. CASE CLOSED" Don't forget his 3 fumbles making sure the Jets had no chance last night. By the way, this whole post is about Vick not being a great passer...no kidding. The bottom line is that the team wins with him and they will continue to do so.

Where in the hell did I say go grab Vinny I was just pointing out the fact that as bad as Vinny sucked he had better stats than Vick.

See Vick has the best stats its called Wins...

 

No clever retort to my above post?

Done wasting my time with you, you have got to be getting ready for school now or you are a complete idiot to say Vick had better stats than Vinny when it was clearly pointed out to you. I swear if there is a business man out there with money and wants to make a killing here is an idea for you make rubber Vick penises for all his lovers so they can have something to munch on when they watch the Falcons.

I figured you would not be able to reply as your responses have lacked content and thought. Good job hiding that with an insult, and a really good insult at that. Oh "shouldn't you be getting ready for school" Football analysis gold! I'm going to go cry into my pillow.

 

Again:

 

Falcons 2002 w/Vick: 9-6-1 playoffs

Falcons 2003 w/o Vick: 5-11 (3-2) games Vick came back to start so really 2-9 w/o Vick

Falcons 2004 w/Vick: 11-5 playoffs

Falcons 2005: w/Vick: 5-2

 

You are simply too focking stupid to understand how Vick impacts the game and how he wins despite his complete lack of touch. Oh and Vinny has the same career passer rating as Vick. Perhaps the Falcons should grab Jeff George with his 80.4 career passer rating....its only 7 points behind Favre and 5 ahead of Vick. ###### you are one owned ######.

You were close, but not totally correct. Falcons were 3-1 when Vick returned with the only loss being to Indy. They're also 5-1 with Vick, since he didn't play in the loss to the Patriots.

[OMN 0]

no he should win

Ben Rothlenburger is the best football player ever and it's not even close, right? Since Big Ben is easily the best football player ever, we probably should start the arguement of whether or not Big Ben is the best professional sports player ever. How many other players in other leagues are so far ahead of the second best player in that particular sport? Not many if any at all. Funny how individual performance/success in a team sport is so easily equated to team wins and losses.

This is a miscommunication. I am not saying Vick is the greatest or that Roth is. I am simply stating that Vick wins and has an impact on the game, beyond passing, that allows him to win. Of course winning is a team effort but look at the record of the falcons with and without Vick that I posted above. Vick is not the greatest QB, but he is able to use his skill set within the Falcons system to win.

[OMN 0]

First, thank you for covering the -8 Falcons... scared me for a second. 

 

Vick should give up the QB gig... he just looks bad.  But he is a heck of a runner... with Duckett down, Vick and Dunn would be perfect in the backfield.

 

Matt is clearly a better passing QB... but isn't that what a QB should do, pass???

I've been saying this for 2 years now and all you get is Vick wins which is a bunch of crap I guess The defense didn't have anything to do with the win again last night.

I'm not going to argue this all day but if you know me I state facts and that will do my talking. 1st Vick is ranked 29th just above Orton and Harrington with a 63% QB rating, 2nd Vick is tied for 23rd place with 5 passing TDS, 3rd Vick is ranked 15th with fewest INTs with 6. So Vick has completed 66 out of 126 passes for a 52.4 %, Has only thrown 5 TDs and has 6 INTs and you people are going to sit there and try to sell us football people this piece of crap . No Thanks! you keep him and waste your money because I guarantee you he is not starting for any of the top teams in your leagues. I guess the reason Vick only got 18 yards rushing on 9 carries for a 2 ypc last night was because the Jets where stacking the line and you couldn't rush against them, Oh wait I forgot wasn't the same group stacking the line when Dunn ran for 155 yards last night? But Vick has no receivers more stupid crap they seemed to do alright when Matt was throwing to them and what's funny the last two drafts Atlanta used their Number 1 Picks on Wide Receivers. So I guess once again Vick wins never mind Dunn's 155 yards and the Defense getting 4 turnovers and scoring a TD on one of them. By the way as bad as Vinny played last night his stats were 11-18 with 140 yards and 1 INT, Vick's 11-26 116 yards and 3 INTs. CASE CLOSED so don't bother replying with anymore stupid crap just look at the facts.

Yes, all run out and grab Vinny with his 140 yards. This is probably the dumbest thing I have read in a while. CASE CLOSED?...Vinny threw for 140 yards.....great.

"By the way as bad as Vinny played last night his stats were 11-18 with 140 yards and 1 INT, Vick's 11-26 116 yards and 3 INTs. CASE CLOSED" Don't forget his 3 fumbles making sure the Jets had no chance last night. By the way, this whole post is about Vick not being a great passer...no kidding. The bottom line is that the team wins with him and they will continue to do so.

Where in the hell did I say go grab Vinny I was just pointing out the fact that as bad as Vinny sucked he had better stats than Vick.

See Vick has the best stats its called Wins...

 

No clever retort to my above post?

Done wasting my time with you, you have got to be getting ready for school now or you are a complete idiot to say Vick had better stats than Vinny when it was clearly pointed out to you. I swear if there is a business man out there with money and wants to make a killing here is an idea for you make rubber Vick penises for all his lovers so they can have something to munch on when they watch the Falcons.

I figured you would not be able to reply as your responses have lacked content and thought. Good job hiding that with an insult, and a really good insult at that. Oh "shouldn't you be getting ready for school" Football analysis gold! I'm going to go cry into my pillow.

 

Again:

 

Falcons 2002 w/Vick: 9-6-1 playoffs

Falcons 2003 w/o Vick: 5-11 (3-2) games Vick came back to start so really 2-9 w/o Vick

Falcons 2004 w/Vick: 11-5 playoffs

Falcons 2005: w/Vick: 5-2

 

You are simply too focking stupid to understand how Vick impacts the game and how he wins despite his complete lack of touch. Oh and Vinny has the same career passer rating as Vick. Perhaps the Falcons should grab Jeff George with his 80.4 career passer rating....its only 7 points behind Favre and 5 ahead of Vick. ###### you are one owned ######.

You were close, but not totally correct. Falcons were 3-1 when Vick returned with the only loss being to Indy. They're also 5-1 with Vick, since he didn't play in the loss to the Patriots.

He played in the Houston loss as well.

[bigmarc27 24]

First, thank you for covering the -8 Falcons... scared me for a second. 

 

Vick should give up the QB gig... he just looks bad.  But he is a heck of a runner... with Duckett down, Vick and Dunn would be perfect in the backfield.

 

Matt is clearly a better passing QB... but isn't that what a QB should do, pass???

I've been saying this for 2 years now and all you get is Vick wins which is a bunch of crap I guess The defense didn't have anything to do with the win again last night.

I'm not going to argue this all day but if you know me I state facts and that will do my talking. 1st Vick is ranked 29th just above Orton and Harrington with a 63% QB rating, 2nd Vick is tied for 23rd place with 5 passing TDS, 3rd Vick is ranked 15th with fewest INTs with 6. So Vick has completed 66 out of 126 passes for a 52.4 %, Has only thrown 5 TDs and has 6 INTs and you people are going to sit there and try to sell us football people this piece of crap . No Thanks! you keep him and waste your money because I guarantee you he is not starting for any of the top teams in your leagues. I guess the reason Vick only got 18 yards rushing on 9 carries for a 2 ypc last night was because the Jets where stacking the line and you couldn't rush against them, Oh wait I forgot wasn't the same group stacking the line when Dunn ran for 155 yards last night? But Vick has no receivers more stupid crap they seemed to do alright when Matt was throwing to them and what's funny the last two drafts Atlanta used their Number 1 Picks on Wide Receivers. So I guess once again Vick wins never mind Dunn's 155 yards and the Defense getting 4 turnovers and scoring a TD on one of them. By the way as bad as Vinny played last night his stats were 11-18 with 140 yards and 1 INT, Vick's 11-26 116 yards and 3 INTs. CASE CLOSED so don't bother replying with anymore stupid crap just look at the facts.

Yes, all run out and grab Vinny with his 140 yards. This is probably the dumbest thing I have read in a while. CASE CLOSED?...Vinny threw for 140 yards.....great.

"By the way as bad as Vinny played last night his stats were 11-18 with 140 yards and 1 INT, Vick's 11-26 116 yards and 3 INTs. CASE CLOSED" Don't forget his 3 fumbles making sure the Jets had no chance last night. By the way, this whole post is about Vick not being a great passer...no kidding. The bottom line is that the team wins with him and they will continue to do so.

Where in the hell did I say go grab Vinny I was just pointing out the fact that as bad as Vinny sucked he had better stats than Vick.

See Vick has the best stats its called Wins...

 

No clever retort to my above post?

Done wasting my time with you, you have got to be getting ready for school now or you are a complete idiot to say Vick had better stats than Vinny when it was clearly pointed out to you. I swear if there is a business man out there with money and wants to make a killing here is an idea for you make rubber Vick penises for all his lovers so they can have something to munch on when they watch the Falcons.

I figured you would not be able to reply as your responses have lacked content and thought. Good job hiding that with an insult, and a really good insult at that. Oh "shouldn't you be getting ready for school" Football analysis gold! I'm going to go cry into my pillow.

 

Again:

 

Falcons 2002 w/Vick: 9-6-1 playoffs

Falcons 2003 w/o Vick: 5-11 (3-2) games Vick came back to start so really 2-9 w/o Vick

Falcons 2004 w/Vick: 11-5 playoffs

Falcons 2005: w/Vick: 5-2

 

You are simply too focking stupid to understand how Vick impacts the game and how he wins despite his complete lack of touch. Oh and Vinny has the same career passer rating as Vick. Perhaps the Falcons should grab Jeff George with his 80.4 career passer rating....its only 7 points behind Favre and 5 ahead of Vick. ###### you are one owned ######.

You were close, but not totally correct. Falcons were 3-1 when Vick returned with the only loss being to Indy. They're also 5-1 with Vick, since he didn't play in the loss to the Patriots.

He played in the Houston loss as well.

He only played the 4th quarter. I guess that can count.

[OMN 0]

I am trying to err on the side of caution.

[Dr. Octopus 0]

Micheal Vick is 27-13 as a starter. You have to gameplan for him like no other player in the league. Warrick Dunn would not have the lanes w/o Vick. The guy is awesome and has no one to throw the ball to.

They signed a high price FA in Peerless Price (did he fail b/c of talent or because of Vick), they have used their first rounder on WR the last two seasons, Michael Jenkins and Roddy White (are they busts or is it Vick). Brian Finneran has had success when Schaub is in and is non-existent when Vick is in.

I am not saying tha Vick should be replaced, because he is a dynamic player who changes the game and the guy has been a winner, but the no receiver excuse just isn't cutting it anymore.

 

Who would have even heard of Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Donald Driver, Robert Ferguson, Antonio Chatman if it wasn't for Favre.

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no he should win

Ben Rothlenburger is the best football player ever and it's not even close, right? Since Big Ben is easily the best football player ever, we probably should start the arguement of whether or not Big Ben is the best professional sports player ever. How many other players in other leagues are so far ahead of the second best player in that particular sport? Not many if any at all. Funny how individual performance/success in a team sport is so easily equated to team wins and losses.

I would say Big Ben is pretty damn important to the Steelers... He may hand off a lot, but apparently Tommy Maddox couldn't follow his lead a couple of weeks ago and they lost.

 

I would say a QB with that high of a win % is pretty important, wouldn't you?

If that QB played golf, I would agree with you. Seeing that a QB plays in a team sport, the utlimate team sport at that (football), I don't see it as simple as you and others seem to indicate.

[bigmarc27 24]

Micheal Vick is 27-13 as a starter. You have to gameplan for him like no other player in the league. Warrick Dunn would not have the lanes w/o Vick. The guy is awesome and has no one to throw the ball to.

They signed a high price FA in Peerless Price (did he faile b/c of talent or because of Vick), they have used their first rounder on WR the last two seasons, Michael Jenkins and Roddy White (are they busts or is it Vick). Brian Finneran has had success when Schaub is in and is non-existent when Vick is in.

I am not saying tha Vick should be replaced, because he is a dynamic player who changes the game and the guy has been a winner, but the no receiver excuse just isn't cutting it anymore.

 

Who would have even heard of Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Donald Driver, Robert Ferguson, Antonio Chatman if it wasn't for Favre.

Price: Failed because of Effort for the most part and being overrated.

Jenkins: Wouldn't say he's failed - he's a 2nd year player.

Roddy White: Not even half way through his rookie season.

Finneran: Finneran actually does pretty well with Vick in the game. Last night was a poor game, but Finneran usually does pretty decent. He's not a game breaker, but he's pretty solid.

[bigmarc27 24]

no he should win

Ben Rothlenburger is the best football player ever and it's not even close, right? Since Big Ben is easily the best football player ever, we probably should start the arguement of whether or not Big Ben is the best professional sports player ever. How many other players in other leagues are so far ahead of the second best player in that particular sport? Not many if any at all. Funny how individual performance/success in a team sport is so easily equated to team wins and losses.

I would say Big Ben is pretty damn important to the Steelers... He may hand off a lot, but apparently Tommy Maddox couldn't follow his lead a couple of weeks ago and they lost.

 

I would say a QB with that high of a win % is pretty important, wouldn't you?

If that QB played golf, I would agree with you. Seeing that a QB plays in a team sport, the utlimate team sport at that (football), I don't see it as simple as you and others seem to indicate.

Don't get me wrong, I know it's a team game and there are lots of pieces needed for a win. I'm not discounting that at all. However, there's a huge difference between a team with a winner at QB, a team with an OK QB, and a team with a bad QB.

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no he should win

Ben Rothlenburger is the best football player ever and it's not even close, right? Since Big Ben is easily the best football player ever, we probably should start the arguement of whether or not Big Ben is the best professional sports player ever. How many other players in other leagues are so far ahead of the second best player in that particular sport? Not many if any at all. Funny how individual performance/success in a team sport is so easily equated to team wins and losses.

This is a miscommunication. I am not saying Vick is the greatest or that Roth is. I am simply stating that Vick wins and has an impact on the game, beyond passing, that allows him to win. Of course winning is a team effort but look at the record of the falcons with and without Vick that I posted above. Vick is not the greatest QB, but he is able to use his skill set within the Falcons system to win.

In your original post, you seemed to indicated that a QB should win. In the simplist form, that makes sense. A defensive tackle should win. That fits the job description of all 11 players on each side of the ball plus special teams. Simply evaluating any individuals success solely on wins and losses in a team sport isn't accurate.

 

I agree that Vick has a huge impact on a game. For the same reason many "experts" and fans criticize the Eagles for not being able to run the ball, I feel the same criticism is warranted toward Vick and the Falcons in there inability to pass the ball consistantly. The reason they can't pass the ball consistantly goes no further then Vick himself. It is going to be hard for me to beleive, that in a crucial playoff game, where I would think most players pay extra attention to detail, that a defensive coordinator can't beat it into their defensive ends heads not to follow the run fakes down the line, but rather run straight up the field and hold their ground. Since Atlanta is so one dimensional, in a big game where players are more focused, I think Atlanta is at a big disadvantage. Look at what the Eagles did to Atlanta in the playoffs last year. If you watched that defense, they didn't persue, but rather the ends ran up the field and they formed a bubble around Vick. Vick can't throw, so the results were rather predictable (the Eagles win). Vick will help win a lot of games. I just don't think he will ever lead Atlanta much further then they have already been due to the fact that they are one dimensional.

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no he should win

Ben Rothlenburger is the best football player ever and it's not even close, right? Since Big Ben is easily the best football player ever, we probably should start the arguement of whether or not Big Ben is the best professional sports player ever. How many other players in other leagues are so far ahead of the second best player in that particular sport? Not many if any at all. Funny how individual performance/success in a team sport is so easily equated to team wins and losses.

I would say Big Ben is pretty damn important to the Steelers... He may hand off a lot, but apparently Tommy Maddox couldn't follow his lead a couple of weeks ago and they lost.

 

I would say a QB with that high of a win % is pretty important, wouldn't you?

If that QB played golf, I would agree with you. Seeing that a QB plays in a team sport, the utlimate team sport at that (football), I don't see it as simple as you and others seem to indicate.

Don't get me wrong, I know it's a team game and there are lots of pieces needed for a win. I'm not discounting that at all. However, there's a huge difference between a team with a winner at QB, a team with an OK QB, and a team with a bad QB.

The only thing I agree with here is that a team needs some super stars or great players to win. Whether or not that super star or great player needs to be a QB is debatable. The Ravens sure didn't have a super star QB, but rather, had a few super stars on defense. Most of the old Redskins teams didn't have a super star QB (Rypien and Doug Williams come to mind), but had some super stars on the O. Line. The Giants had a super star in LT and a OK QB in Simms.

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You seem unwilling to give Vick any credit for his teams success while putting all the lack of a passing game solely on his shoulders. You can't have it both ways.

 

I don't disagree that their lack of a passing game costs them but I think you discount Vick's other dimensions. I don't say Brady can't win a SB unless he is able to run becuase he wins with his arm and by maintaining his cool in almost all situations. Vick's dimensions bring something to the game that teams have to prepare for but that cannot be "consistently" shut down. I remember in 02 Tampa Bay ate his lunch both games and their speed was able to shut him down. This can happen and I understand it would only make his run threat more dangerous if his passing threat was more credible but I do believe within the system the falcons play, he is a tremendous asset and he will only get better with time.

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All you Schaub lovers are basing eveything off of one game over an overrated Patriots defense. We all assume that because it's the Patriots, that they're good. But that's not the case this year. Look at their last three games. They gave up 41 to SD, 28 to Atlanta, and then looked horrible giving up another 28 to Denver.

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wouldnt it be amazing to have vick as a rb or dual quarterback. the center hikes it to whoever, as schaub and vick standk a foot right/left of the center in a shotgun formation. haha, thatd be freaky

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Wow... didn't realize this would get so heated... interesting posts... What about this... I bet Vick can catch too... so line him up at WR... maybe he will be the top WR they are looking for???

 

haha... just kidding

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Vick is a very good quarterback, as long as his wheels are healthy. But as a passer, he is horrible, probably bottom half in the league. He is painfully inaccurrate, sometimes his intermediate throws are not even close.

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Vicks QB rating was 13 last night.

The Jet turned it over 4 times in their own zone and had their 4th QB of the year playing.

 

The loust record without Vick was with a very average team and doug Johnson. With Schaub and the D they have now they would be at least as good if not better without Vick.

Vick disrupts a defense I agree, but Vick disrupts his own offense even more.