Javon Walker

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I know an ankle isn't a knee... but Steve Smith... tore ligaments and trashes his ankle and had a 'pretty good' year last year.

 

Clearly there are exceptions to the rule and its too early to tell how it will work out for Walker, but in this day and age I wouldn't say an injury like that kills his career. It DOES make one think twice about signing him though.

 

Huge difference between an ankle and a knee. i have tore up my ankles in the past and been able to come back without much problem.. but when the acl went... it has never been the same.. but then i am no nfl talent.

that being said... you cant use SS in comparison to Walker... SS and davenport would be a good comparison.. maybe marcus robinson of the bears would be a good comparison to J. walker. they both had break out years and the next year blew out a knee.. on pretty similar plays... Would you pay big for Marcus... You are almost guranteed that walker will never duplicate his prior big year... I am not saying he needs to be retired.. i think he is still can be valuable to a team, but not like he was before like CJ, or holt or wayne...

[Sho Nuff 720]

We are talking the Packers organization.

 

The will do nothing until its too late and get very little.

 

Or

 

They stand their ground and get nothing at all.

 

That is based on what? McKenzie got them draft picks...they got Green for an awful DB...Favre for a 1st rounder?

What are you basing that BS on?

 

at best he is a possession reciever with a chance of a big threat once in a long while for the next 3- 4years barring any other injuries. aka keyshawn.

 

Not a WR...but Edgerrin James? McGahee?

 

 

At best a posession WR...why is that at best? At best he is back next year doing well, and the year after that back to his old self.

At worst he is never the same...

Your scenario lies somewhere in the middle...but I doubt if he comes back healthy enough that he is simply just a posession guy.

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Admittedly my reference points begin more with the Sherman era decisions than the current administration.

 

But what I have seen of the recent one is they are more apt to make a big deal out of resigning curent talent than improving. Is resiging Green really a FA move? It is simply resigning a player

 

That said,

 

McKenzie is the prime example of this. Why wait until the season begins to get draft picks for the following year. Risking this season, either in starting power or depth.

 

Walker has for the second season voiced his displeasure. Last year it occurred after the draft and TO.

This time he began with time for the Packers to do something about it positively for their own organization.

 

The issue specifically I raise is I am under the belief the Packers do nothing, say it is a nobel response to honoring contracts and you are back to a Mckenzie situation this fall when you need a WR for Favre and not Draft picks for Favres replacement.

 

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Admittedly my reference points begin more with the Sherman era decisions than the current administration.

 

But what I have seen of the recent one is they are more apt to make a big deal out of resigning curent talent than improving. Is resiging Green really a FA move? It is simply resigning a player

 

That said,

 

McKenzie is the prime example of this. Why wait until the season begins to get draft picks for the following year. Risking this season, either in starting power or depth.

 

Walker has for the second season voiced his displeasure. Last year it occurred after the draft and TO.

This time he began with time for the Packers to do something about it positively for their own organization.

 

The issue specifically I raise is I am under the belief the Packers do nothing, say it is a nobel response to honoring contracts and you are back to a Mckenzie situation this fall when you need a WR for Favre and not Draft picks for Favres replacement.

 

 

I wouldnt so quickly write off the new org. usually the best thing is for them to continue with what they got so that they can evaluate which players fit in with the scheme and personality then to just go buck wild in FA the first year. I forsee the packs being very active in FA next year. See the the browns of last year and this year.

[Sho Nuff 720]

I wouldnt so quickly write off the new org. usually the best thing is for them to continue with what they got so that they can evaluate which players fit in with the scheme and personality then to just go buck wild in FA the first year. I forsee the packs being very active in FA next year. See the the browns of last year and this year.

 

Exactly...and some will complain because they will go into this season with cap space...banking on some younger talent in FA next season...and possibly have to deal with a QB as well.

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Exactly...and some will complain because they will go into this season with cap space...banking on some younger talent in FA next season...and possibly have to deal with a QB as well.

 

The Vibe being cast out though is that Favre is driving the management and organization. Rather than the other way around.

 

This creates an environment, couple with Favre meshawn manner, which fosters a divide between the organization and the receiver they need for both the now and the future.

 

Packers have, throughout Favres era, never provided him with enough quality WR's.

And this divide, even if just perceived, is not good for the long term.

 

Last year, Walker knew he was not in a good position, etc.

 

But Rod Gardner is not a Walker replacement.

 

Add to this the degraded at kicker, and I see another sub 500 year for the pack.

 

IMO, they are not doing enough to find youth now for the next QB era. Whether this is for Aaron Rodgers or someone not yet on their roster. It takes time to coach anybody into a system. Delaying it, will only incur a longer stretch of painful mediocrity.

Although the NFC north is in a painful way, you cannot be certain this will still be the case 2 to 3 years from now.

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

The Vibe being cast out though is that Favre is driving the management and organization. Rather than the other way around.

 

This creates an environment, couple with Favre meshawn manner, which fosters a divide between the organization and the receiver they need for both the now and the future.

 

Packers have, throughout Favres era, never provided him with enough quality WR's.

And this divide, even if just perceived, is not good for the long term.

 

Last year, Walker knew he was not in a good position, etc.

 

But Rod Gardner is not a Walker replacement.

 

Add to this the degraded at kicker, and I see another sub 500 year for the pack.

 

IMO, they are not doing enough to find youth now for the next QB era. Whether this is for Aaron Rodgers or someone not yet on their roster. It takes time to coach anybody into a system. Delaying it, will only incur a longer stretch of painful mediocrity.

Although the NFC north is in a painful way, you cannot be certain this will still be the case 2 to 3 years from now.

 

 

 

Thats the vibe created by message boards like this one...fueled by Mortenson's poor paraphrasing.

Nobody thinks Gardner is...

Not doing enough to find youth now? Maybe not on offense yet...certainly have been taking the build defense first approach thus far.

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There are unconfirmed rumors that NE, Philly, SD and Miami have already inquired about Walker. Supposedly the Packers want a 2nd rounder for him and have only been offered a 3rd. Pure speculation and may well be bs. As a Pats fan I'd love to get Walker but not with a huge contract that he would no doubt want. He's had one good year and is coming off a major knee injury. Any team that shells out a high pick and alot of $$ is taking a huge risk. The Pats went after Mason last year and were willing to pay him big $$ (more than Balt) so anything is possible. I don't see any way they don't draft/trade for a big time wr before Sept and spend some serious $$ doing so.

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Packers | J. Walker selling his house; preparing to move on

Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:39:51 -0800

 

Ron Borges, of the Boston Globe, reports the Green Bay Packers opened their offseason workout program without unhappy WR Javon Walker, who put his house up for sale in Green Bay the day after the workouts began and enlisted the help of his parents to clean it out. Walker claims he'd rather retire than play a fifth season for the Packers. Green Bay is insisting it will not trade him.

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Packers | J. Walker selling his house; preparing to move on

Sun, 26 Mar 2006 05:39:51 -0800

 

Ron Borges, of the Boston Globe, reports the Green Bay Packers opened their offseason workout program without unhappy WR Javon Walker, who put his house up for sale in Green Bay the day after the workouts began and enlisted the help of his parents to clean it out. Walker claims he'd rather retire than play a fifth season for the Packers. Green Bay is insisting it will not trade him.

 

A hold out will be interesting.... he has said he doesn't need football, that he is fine etc if he never plays again. I can hear his financial advisor choking on his ham/cheese on rye when he said that. No Javon... you have not made enough money to live on for the rest of your life. Unless you plan on washing cars, pumping gas or delivering pizzas in your hummer, you should show up, play and wait until you're a free agent just all the other guys not named TO or Moss.

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i dont get why the packers just dont open up negociations with the guy, he's a free agent at the end of the year, and if they take this quiet stance, he'll just end up leaving at the end of the year anyway, with the packers getting nothing in return.

 

at least make some half-assed attempt to "negociate" with him, give him the idea that they are working something out, and at least keep him happy, even if you have no intention of signing him up.

 

 

i'm not saying that the eagles did the wrong thing last year, because TO was way out of line with his demand of a new contract, but something tells me things would have worked out better, if they at least listened to his demands, you know, stroke his ego a bit, even if they had no intention of changing anything in his contract. instead, their hardline stance made him pissed, resulting in what we all saw last year, and he left philly w/o the eagles getting anything in return.

 

if the packers can learn anything with the TO fiasco, its either trade him immediately before he puts a dark overcast on the team or start negociating for next year. there's nothing to gain out of keeping a hard stance with him, and as time goes on and he becomes more disgruntled, his trade value just diminishes.

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i dont get why the packers just dont open up negociations with the guy, he's a free agent at the end of the year,

Becasue he wants not part of them right now. Maybe if he shows up for camp, they would open up negotiatians. Or maybe if he played a few games on his new knee?

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

Maybe his rehab is not going so well. Maybe he's looking to land a bunch of guaranteed $ before anyone finds out that he may never be the player he was. Well, for the 1 year player that he was. Just a thought.

[Sho Nuff 720]

Maybe his rehab is not going so well. Maybe he's looking to land a bunch of guaranteed $ before anyone finds out that he may never be the player he was. Well, for the 1 year player that he was. Just a thought.

 

Interesting take on it...never know...

though to be moved Im sure teams will want a physical...is Javon that stupid to think he can sneak one by another team?

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

"nteresting take on it...never know...

though to be moved Im sure teams will want a physical...is Javon that stupid to think he can sneak one by another team?"

 

He is still rehabbing. No one expects him to be 100%. His Dr is not going to say anything negative. He is scheduled to make $550,000 approx this year. If Walker can find a team that will tear up his contract and give him a $5 mill signing bonus........