Javon Walker is NOT coming back to Green Bay

[Blackgums100 0]

It must be easy to pick and choose which argument to attack and leave the other ones alone. Why not address the others about Favre and how he has been a disruption? And what about the kicker downgrade and the lack of talent you have added.

 

Philly has had a tough time the last couple of years because they hard line. I never said kiss the new breed players asses all I said was realize there is a new breed and learn how to deal with it.

[n_omarley 11]

I just read in the local paper about a 10-year-old pitcher who, when his team had the game in hand, threw a meatball to the retarded kid on the other team so he could get a hit.

 

Investigation is underway. Possible suspention is pending.

[Ed Suspicious 0]

It must be easy to pick and choose which argument to attack and leave the other ones alone.

All your arguements seem to be soft and grounded in a hatred of all things Packers. A packer fan would get as far arguing with a brick wall as they would arguing with you.

[SWC 0]

I just read in the local paper about a 10-year-old pitcher who, when his team had the game in hand, threw a meatball to the retarded kid on the other team so he could get a hit.

 

Investigation is underway. Possible suspention is pending.

 

I heard there is going to be a Congressional inquest.

[uubeee 0]

It must be easy to pick and choose which argument to attack and leave the other ones alone. Why not address the others about Favre and how he has been a disruption? And what about the kicker downgrade and the lack of talent you have added.

 

Philly has had a tough time the last couple of years because they hard line. I never said kiss the new breed players asses all I said was realize there is a new breed and learn how to deal with it.

 

General rule of ingnorance.

 

If you can't back up your argument, create others arguments to cloud everything.

 

Let me give you a clue about success.....Any team who reaches the NFC championship game 4 years running and the SB 1 year regardless of winning those game is not having a hard time.

 

 

2 things clear to me about Blackgums.

 

1. He thinks football players should be treated differently than any other workers in the world. Hard lines don't work (with the exceptions of NE and Philly) with football players because times have changed. No team can be successful using the hard line approach (of course except NE and Philly) I think that is what he is saying.

 

2. Blackgums dislikes if not loathes GB. He covers this by saying GB mishandled JW. He doesn't blame JW for 1st going to the press last year with his demands and then holding out. He blames everyone but the player himself. He thinks GB should cower before JW's greatness and that the team will be doomed without him. At least this is what comes across for mr.blackgums.

 

Either way, I would love to have Blackgums as a boss. Because he would cower to my every demand.

[slash 0]

It must be easy to pick and choose which argument to attack and leave the other ones alone. Why not address the others about Favre and how he has been a disruption? And what about the kicker downgrade and the lack of talent you have added.

 

Philly has had a tough time the last couple of years because they hard line. I never said kiss the new breed players asses all I said was realize there is a new breed and learn how to deal with it.

ummm please read the topic name of this thread. so just because we are not going in tangents, does not mean we are picking and choosing. If you want to talk about those, start a thread and I will tell you why you are wrong again.

 

2ndly, then how come pittsburgh, Ne and philly havent changed and last time i saw they were playing in the sb the last 5 years... is that right?

 

3rdly, you say that you never said to kiss the new breeds azzes, but its funny that thats what everyone else picked up, but so that you feel that you are being treated fairly, why dont you tell us exactly what you meant. what would YOU have done with JW last year after he came out with his demands????

 

i cant wait to hear the answer....

[Blackgums100 0]

you will have to wait. I thought both of you could actually talk football without being blinded by your love for your team. I was wrong.

[uubeee 0]

you will have to wait. I thought both of you could actually talk football without being blinded by your love for your team. I was wrong.

 

 

Is that a cop out I smell?

 

You can't defend your stance, so you blame us. You are transparent.

 

BTW, I back up Philly with their stance on TO, I back up any team who takes this stance. It has nothing to do with love of a team.

[Phurfur 70]

That is exactly yours and the Management of the Packers problem. For some reason you haven't adapted to the changing attitudes of the current players. Current players do not respond well to hard stances and force tactics. You have got to know how to bend a little to be successful with modern day athletes.

 

So what exactly has the Packs stance with JW got them? A talented, disgruntled former first round pick, with super diminished value. So what's next, he is either traded for peanuts or is a huge distraction til the season starts. WELL DONE PACK, good luck sucking the next 5 years.

BTW Rice was great his first couple of years in Oakland. I think if not for a BS tuck call they would have been in the Superbowl.

 

While I like Joe Cool and the rest of the players you mentioned I think the only argument you could have made was that Walsh's system created that dynasty.

 

 

So what has JW's hard line stance against the Packers gotten him. A torn ACL and no place to play. So what's next sitting at home living off the millions of dollars he was overpaid.

 

I have never said this on this board but "You Are An Idiot"

[9-Route 0]

this topic was addressed last yr---where does the green bay money go??? looking at their roster, i was astounded by the apparent lack of talent, and thus, why they have not done anything with their truckload of cash.

 

walker is stupid asking for big $$ after one good yr--true.

 

franks was really a non-essential and is overpaid at $28million--true.

 

pack was foolish to let rivera, wahle, and now, flanagan, go---true.

 

pack has done a poor job of managing and 'convincing' favre to stay---true.

 

pack need an overhaul---true.

[Phurfur 70]

pack was foolish to let rivera, wahle, and now, flanagan, go---true.

 

I disagree Wahle is the only O lineman worth keeping. He still has his best years ahead of him, although Carolina paid him alot of cash he was one guy worth keeping. Rivera and Flanagan are damaged goods. Both have had multiple surgeries and Dallas grossly over-paid for Riveria. I think Flanagan will earn his money in Houston if he stays healthy because he is a quality center.

 

Spending money does not translate into winning championships, ask Washington. I don't get it, the Redskins are idiots for overpaying but so is GB for not overpaying. I guess fans just like to ######.

[9-Route 0]

my point was not to just throw money for the sake of throwing it.

 

the pack was/is built on favre and the offense, namely a fantastically cohesive o-line and the skill positions. many player signings are overpays, but some are also good values. keeping guys you drafted and groomed 9yrs ago (flanagan and rivera) and 5 yrs ago (clifton and tauscher) is essential to success, especially if this is upon which you are built. yeah, rivera is a grizzled vet of 9 yrs, but he still among the top guys at his position. you are definitely right on wahle and his youth/future value. the pack were perennial leaders among the 'fewest sacks allowed'; last yr, they dipped. the loss of flanagan and his leadership and line calls can only signal more decline in this category.

 

if you dont resign the o-line, at least help your lone guy on defense, kgb, with some help--- letting sharper go to a division rival and burn you with 9INTs certainly didnt do so.

[Phurfur 70]

my point was not to just throw money for the sake of throwing it.

 

the pack was/is built on favre and the offense, namely a fantastically cohesive o-line and the skill positions. many player signings are overpays, but some are also good values. keeping guys you drafted and groomed 9yrs ago (flanagan and rivera) and 5 yrs ago (clifton and tauscher) is essential to success, especially if this is upon which you are built. yeah, rivera is a grizzled vet of 9 yrs, but he still among the top guys at his position. you are definitely right on wahle and his youth/future value. the pack were perennial leaders among the 'fewest sacks allowed'; last yr, they dipped. the loss of flanagan and his leadership and line calls can only signal more decline in this category.

 

if you dont resign the o-line, at least help your lone guy on defense, kgb, with some help--- letting sharper go to a division rival and burn you with 9INTs certainly didnt do so.

 

 

Your point is taken and I can't disagree with your logic.

[Sho Nuff 720]

this topic was addressed last yr---where does the green bay money go??? looking at their roster, i was astounded by the apparent lack of talent, and thus, why they have not done anything with their truckload of cash.

 

walker is stupid asking for big $$ after one good yr--true.

 

franks was really a non-essential and is overpaid at $28million--true.

 

pack was foolish to let rivera, wahle, and now, flanagan, go---true.

 

pack has done a poor job of managing and 'convincing' favre to stay---true.

 

pack need an overhaul---true.

 

Foolish to let Flanagan go? How can you just say true so far? He was injurred not last season...but before then...and the injuries carried forward and severly hindered his play this past year.

 

If anything it was foolish to keep him last season. Cut him...use some of that money plus some other moves to be able to sign Wahle.

 

But hindsight is 20/20.

[Blackgums100 0]

So what has JW's hard line stance against the Packers gotten him. A torn ACL and no place to play. So what's next sitting at home living off the millions of dollars he was overpaid.

 

I have never said this on this board but "You Are An Idiot"

 

Does it hurt, to be so blind?

 

Did you even read the whole thread? Do you also choose to pick and choose? I know many of my points are valid. The thread changed from just a JW thread to a Pack thread in general. And if that's the case the Pack is in trouble. Your recent front office fumblings have been a joke: case in point my reference to losing Longwell and replacing him with Cundiff. The only people you have had agree with you are a couple of other Pack fans. Keep all the cap space and say hello to some more sub .500 seasons.

[slash 0]

you will have to wait. I thought both of you could actually talk football without being blinded by your love for your team. I was wrong.

 

 

I hate to rain on your parade, but I am a life long bears fan and not a fan of the Packers. So by no means am I blinded by my love of the packers.

 

 

and you know i am getting sick and tired of you keep parading the loss of longwell. I didnt know that longwell was the next coming of messiah and losing him meant that the packers were going to hell.

last year the bears dropped edinger for a more seasoned vet in doug obrien... and where did that lead to? obrien sucked horse shiet andhe was gone in the beginning of the season, then they brough in gould, whom nobody had heard about and they got beat up on the media for it, but after a few games, everyone talked about what a great find and signing it was and gould went to have a pretty dang good season.

so the moral of the story, kickers are not the difference betten a 4-12 team and a SB champ, and there are plenty of capable kickers out there to be able to do the job. so give it a rest already....

[Phurfur 70]

General rule of ingnorance.

 

If you can't back up your argument, create others arguments to cloud everything.

 

Let me give you a clue about success.....Any team who reaches the NFC championship game 4 years running and the SB 1 year regardless of winning those game is not having a hard time.

2 things clear to me about Blackgums.

 

1. He thinks football players should be treated differently than any other workers in the world. Hard lines don't work (with the exceptions of NE and Philly) with football players because times have changed. No team can be successful using the hard line approach (of course except NE and Philly) I think that is what he is saying.

 

2. Blackgums dislikes if not loathes GB. He covers this by saying GB mishandled JW. He doesn't blame JW for 1st going to the press last year with his demands and then holding out. He blames everyone but the player himself. He thinks GB should cower before JW's greatness and that the team will be doomed without him. At least this is what comes across for mr.blackgums.

 

Either way, I would love to have Blackgums as a boss. Because he would cower to my every demand.

 

 

[Blackgums100 0]

I hate to rain on your parade, but I am a life long bears fan and not a fan of the Packers. So by no means am I blinded by my love of the packers.

and you know i am getting sick and tired of you keep parading the loss of longwell. I didnt know that longwell was the next coming of messiah and losing him meant that the packers were going to hell.

last year the bears dropped edinger for a more seasoned vet in doug obrien... and where did that lead to? obrien sucked horse shiet andhe was gone in the beginning of the season, then they brough in gould, whom nobody had heard about and they got beat up on the media for it, but after a few games, everyone talked about what a great find and signing it was and gould went to have a pretty dang good season.

so the moral of the story, kickers are not the difference betten a 4-12 team and a SB champ, and there are plenty of capable kickers out there to be able to do the job. so give it a rest already....

 

 

Tell that to Dallas, with an above average kicker they would have made the playoffs.

[slash 0]

Tell that to Dallas, with an above average kicker they would have made the playoffs.

 

 

reading and comprehension is a skill.....

 

please go back and reread my post. I said the difference in a kicker does not swing a team between, YOU READY NOW... PAY ATTENTION...MAYBE READ SLOWLY, a 4-12 team and a SB champion, DID YOU GET THAT, BECAUSE IF YOU DIDNT GO BACK AND READ IT AGAIN.

 

 

last i checked, dallas was not a 4-12 team....

I am not saying.. i am just saaaaaaaayin....

[Jay 0]

There is more to this Jevon Walker thing than the holdout last year and him being "insulted" by Favre's response to it. Two years ago, before Walker had his breakout season. He did some off-season work with one of the most successful wide receivers in the league, in order to attempt to take his game to the next level. I was very encouraged by it at the time. He got some good advice about his game. I'm thinking he also got some very bad advice about life and attitude.

 

Anyone else remember who he was working out with?

 

That's right. The one, the only......Terrell Owens.

 

Now, anyone surprised at Walker's antics?

[LunaTick 30]

The issue with Walkers negotiation tactics last year was more about who his manager is/was. (I cannot remember if he still has the biggest jerk off or not) (glad I cannot remember his name, so I will call him Tom Cruise).

 

Tom Cruise was attempting to become a bigger fish in the NFL waters. Gone around and nabbed a few fish to make a name for himself. Attempted to leverage this to get a bunch of top tier money for all of his clients. Some deserved it, but others were reaching too high. This resulted in a lot of anti Tom Cruise back lash and player hating. Some of the player hating was deserved, refer to Terrell Owens (phi has limited blame as well).

 

Javon Walker I think had performed and meritted a new contract negotiations and terms. I am sure that Walker wanted top tier wr money. I think he was worth at least second tier money. But his contract was like fifth tier. A rather low sum considering he was definitely the best target for GB at the time.

 

Now I cannot recall where GB was money wise. I do know they lost half their O line to FA. Which I would think had they had the money, they would not have lost both guards.

 

 

The reality is the nature of the confrontation between the organization and the player is such that only two ways I can see Walker ever playing in GB again. and both involve Favre, and I don't think either way would make much difference at this point.

 

Only question is does GB attempt to deal or allow Walker to seek a deal?

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 40]

(glad I cannot remember his name, so I will call him Tom Cruise).

 

It was Drew Rosybutts. Same agent as TO. Gee, wonder why JW and TO both act like spoiled 4 year olds.

 

Anyway, as has been said before, JW started the media thing. JW had 2 years left on his contract. JW had 1 good year and 3 underachieving years. JW held out. Where is the issue here?

 

BTW JW has a new agent.

 

My guess is Rosybutts told him "we're going to break the bank" and JW spent a ton of $ and is now in $ trouble. I have also said before that I don't think his rehab is going well and he is now trying to find a way to get max guaranteed $ before anyone finds out that he will never be an impact player again.

[uubeee 0]

Tell that to Dallas, with an above average kicker they would have made the playoffs.

 

I wish they would deny Internet access to inmates...

[9-Route 0]

There is more to this Jevon Walker thing than the holdout last year and him being "insulted" by Favre's response to it. Two years ago, before Walker had his breakout season. He did some off-season work with one of the most successful wide receivers in the league, in order to attempt to take his game to the next level. I was very encouraged by it at the time. He got some good advice about his game. I'm thinking he also got some very bad advice about life and attitude.

 

Anyone else remember who he was working out with?

 

That's right. The one, the only......Terrell Owens.

 

Now, anyone surprised at Walker's antics?

 

 

if so, then this merits an important point.

 

unfortunately, walker didnt take into account the difference between he and his 'advisor': one has done something of significance in the league at his position just once, while the other has dominated his position for several years. im not saying longevity/tenure condones certain behaviors/attitudes/etc, but it does lend a lot towards negotiations and validity to being paid.

[Blackgums100 0]

I wish they would deny Internet access to inmates...

 

 

You have severly overated the Pack front office. Many experts are also wondering what exactly is the Packers front office doing. You are just to stupid to see that.

[b.j. booker 0]

You have severly overated the Pack front office. Many experts are also wondering what exactly is the Packers front office doing. You are just to stupid to see that.

 

 

Oh, well since "many" "experts" say so, I am definitely going to change my opinion.

[Blackgums100 0]

Oh, well since "many" "experts" say so, I am definitely going to change my opinion.

 

you do that boy

[slash 0]

You have severly overated the Pack front office. Many experts are also wondering what exactly is the Packers front office doing. You are just to stupid to see that.

 

 

ohhh..yea.. you are right... these are the same experts that have questioned the patriots moves in the past few years... riiiight thats it... I just dont see why they even play the games. the experts should decide who the best teams are and then decide who is going to win the sb and call it a year. that way we dont even have to worry about injuries... yeaaaaaaaa.. yea yea...

 

Everyone is calling the moves that the browns have made this year as very good. and the same people picked on the same front offices moves last year. but then, its the same front office... so it goes to tell you what their opinion means.

 

what you need to realize is that A) these experts make bold statement to get people attention and light a fire, right or wrong it dont matter. they are all out to sell themselves and their network.

how can you as a front office know what moves you need to make before knowing what you have in your hand to begin with ( see prior post that i expanded on this topic) but wait.. i think you may be so stuuuupid that you didnt understand it. Maybe read it a few times and if you still dont, then maybe ask a 10 year old to break it down for ya.

[Blackgums100 0]

ohhh..yea.. you are right... these are the same experts that have questioned the patriots moves in the past few years... riiiight thats it... I just dont see why they even play the games. the experts should decide who the best teams are and then decide who is going to win the sb and call it a year. that way we dont even have to worry about injuries... yeaaaaaaaa.. yea yea...

 

Everyone is calling the moves that the browns have made this year as very good. and the same people picked on the same front offices moves last year. but then, its the same front office... so it goes to tell you what their opinion means.

 

what you need to realize is that A) these experts make bold statement to get people attention and light a fire, right or wrong it dont matter. they are all out to sell themselves and their network.

how can you as a front office know what moves you need to make before knowing what you have in your hand to begin with ( see prior post that i expanded on this topic) but wait.. i think you may be so stuuuupid that you didnt understand it. Maybe read it a few times and if you still dont, then maybe ask a 10 year old to break it down for ya.

 

 

I forgot only you are an expert. Suck a

[slash 0]

I forgot only you are an expert. Suck a

 

you only show your ignorance with these statements..

 

a) i never said i was an expert

i am only looking back at past situations and stating facts (one or more years of history)

c) the so called experts give analysis/predictions of situations

d) do you understand the difference between prediction that an expert makes vs an actual fact?

 

last but not least

 

are you implying that you are an expert in sucking 's since you are encouraging me to do the same?

 

i am not saying.. i am just saying.

 

ps. do you realize that i have had better arguments from a 5th grader than what I have heard from you?

your level of competence is very similar to that of a monkey... what you hear and see, you repeat.

[uubeee 0]

You have severly overated the Pack front office. Many experts are also wondering what exactly is the Packers front office doing. You are just to stupid to see that.

 

Do us all a favor. Get up from the computer. Go down the hall. Tell your mommy that you are incapable of handling adult conversation.

 

You have been proven ignorant about 10 times in this thread. You are an embarassement to humanity.

 

We should all stop conversing with this adolescent. This conversation is way beyond him.