onejayhawk 3 Posted April 12, 2006 Obviously Houston owns the pick. The question boils down to which team has the picks/talent to bid for the pick? Right now I would say Houston 90% NY Jets 9% Someone else 1% J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pollardposse 0 Posted April 13, 2006 Obviously Houston owns the pick. The question boils down to which team has the picks/talent to bid for the pick? Right now I would say Houston 90% NY Jets 9% Someone else 1% J Houston 100% Remember what the Saints had to give up for Ricky Williams? If Bush is truly the next Marshall Faulk or Barry Sanders, he is worth double that price. Who can afford to give up an entire draft, along with a number one and three next season? That is what the Saints gave. The price has only increased. I think it would take a combination of draft picks and a highly rated starter to pry Bush from the Texans. You don't want to be the GM that passed on Barry Sanders for Tony Mandarich................ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jeebus 3 Posted April 13, 2006 You don't want to be the GM that passed on Barry Sanders for Tony Mandarich................ As a Packer fan, I gotta say... Ouch dude... ouch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ShaneFalco 0 Posted April 13, 2006 As a Packer fan, I gotta say...Ouch dude... ouch. And as a Lions fan, I gotta say Thank you God! too bad the management drove him into retirement Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted April 13, 2006 Houston 100% Remember what the Saints had to give up for Ricky Williams? If Bush is truly the next Marshall Faulk or Barry Sanders, he is worth double that price. Who can afford to give up an entire draft, along with a number one and three next season? That is what the Saints gave. The price has only increased. I think it would take a combination of draft picks and a highly rated starter to pry Bush from the Texans. You don't want to be the GM that passed on Barry Sanders for Tony Mandarich................ Please don't put Marshall Faulk in the same category as Barry Sanders! I know Barry never won a championship or td title, but Damn he was the most incredible rb of all time. Yes I'm a homer. Barry made Detroit look good some how. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pollardposse 0 Posted April 13, 2006 Ummmm..... How many MVP's did he earn? Oh, same as Faulk. Barry was the best runner in the history of the game, but not the best overall back. There is no doubt he was a human highlight reel. He was not a great receiver out of the backfield and was not known for his blocking. I'm not trying to "compare" them, but Faulk does have a ring, was as good as receiving as he was rushing, and was the best back in the NFL for several years. I think you could make a case for either one of them being the best. That being said, I have a framed poster of Sanders in my garage making a viscious cutback. Awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
toofunny 0 Posted April 13, 2006 Please don't put Marshall Faulk in the same category as Barry Sanders! I know Barry never won a championship or td title, but Damn he was the most incredible rb of all time. Yes I'm a homer. Barry made Detroit look good some how. Of all time? I'd have to go Brown, OJ, Payton. Then probably Sanders. Payton was just so much more of a complete back. Add that to the fact Sanders could rush for -4 yards on any given carry, and wasn't that great of a short yardage back, I don't see how he cracks the top 3. Hijack complete. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trainer1 0 Posted April 13, 2006 I feel sorry for Bush. He will never live up to all the hype. Not saying he isn't one of the greatest backs to come out of college, but there will be so much pressure on him to live up to the hype that if he doesn't come out like a cannon behind that horrible o-line people will give up on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Brad GLuckman 519 Posted April 13, 2006 Of all time? I'd have to go Brown, OJ, Payton. Then probably Sanders. Payton was just so much more of a complete back. Add that to the fact Sanders could rush for -4 yards on any given carry, and wasn't that great of a short yardage back, I don't see how he cracks the top 3. Hijack complete. Yeah OJ really played with a rage, you know...almost like he wanted to murder someone. It's tough to stop that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pollardposse 0 Posted April 14, 2006 No, not of all time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ratbastard1 0 Posted April 14, 2006 Houston 100% Remember what the Saints had to give up for Ricky Williams? If Bush is truly the next Marshall Faulk or Barry Sanders, he is worth double that price. Who can afford to give up an entire draft, along with a number one and three next season? That is what the Saints gave. The price has only increased. I think it would take a combination of draft picks and a highly rated starter to pry Bush from the Texans. You don't want to be the GM that passed on Barry Sanders for Tony Mandarich................ Hindsight is 20-20. If RW and RB are together in this draft, RW goes first, far and away. RW was more amazing in college and everyone knew he could carry the load. The price would be far less as Ditka was obsessed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onejayhawk 3 Posted April 14, 2006 Hindsight is 20-20. If RW and RB are together in this draft, RW goes first, far and away. RW was more amazing in college and everyone knew he could carry the load. The price would be far less as Ditka was obsessed. Ricky wasnt even the first RB taken THAT year. Bush is a couple of first downs ahead in that race. BTW, he really is comparable to Edge. Just better. J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ratbastard1 0 Posted April 16, 2006 Ricky wasnt even the first RB taken THAT year. Bush is a couple of first downs ahead in that race. BTW, he really is comparable to Edge. Just better. J Wow I did forget RW went after Edge! But he would still go after BOTH of them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ER MAN 0 Posted April 16, 2006 Houston 100% without a doubt. It would take a monster offer, perhaps the Ditka offer, for the Texans to trade out of the no.1 overall spot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onejayhawk 3 Posted April 17, 2006 Houston 100% without a doubt. It would take a monster offer, perhaps the Ditka offer, for the Texans to trade out of the no.1 overall spot. Ditka's offer would not do it. No one after the first 4-6 picks has the leverage without putting a starting player into the deal, which is extremely rare this close to the draft. J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ER MAN 0 Posted April 17, 2006 Ditka's offer would not do it. No one after the first 4-6 picks has the leverage without putting a starting player into the deal, which is extremely rare this close to the draft. J What about Denver with their 2 1st round picks at 15 and 22 or would they have to throw more into to sweeten the pot? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ratbastard1 0 Posted April 17, 2006 Ditka's offer would not do it. No one after the first 4-6 picks has the leverage without putting a starting player into the deal, which is extremely rare this close to the draft. J You are kidding me right? Texans would jump on an offer like 1999 Saints trade for RW. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onejayhawk 3 Posted April 18, 2006 You are kidding me right? Texans would jump on an offer like 1999 Saints trade for RW. Wrong. Or perhaps, half right. There is at most 7-8 teams that could swing a deal with NO using only draft picks, and not counting Houston. There is NO way the Ditka offer from the Eagles gets the #2 pick, much less New England or Seattle. J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onejayhawk 3 Posted April 18, 2006 What about Denver with their 2 1st round picks at 15 and 22 or would they have to throw more into to sweeten the pot? A LOT more. Green Bay might listen to that offer, not the Saints. By the numbers, San Fransisco would be the lowest team that could manage it just with 2006 picks. Maybe. It would be a close call. The Jets with #4, #29 and #35 would expect a third rounder back. Denver with #15 and #22 doesnt come close. The Jets might go for that, but not the Saints. J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
