Jets thinking about Reggie Bush

[OB1 33]

Wow - you JETS fans are really that enamoured with Ramsey? Patrick Ramsey?

 

I seem to recall him being disparaged rather frequently when he was a Redskin.

 

Now he's your savior at the QB position?

 

And Pennington? Some here speak as though they expect him to take a snap in the NFL again....I think he's toast. It's a drag, because I like the kid and he showed some primise....but you Jets fans need to leave that in the past. One rotator cuff operation can mean the end of a QB's career - two is a guarentee.

 

I caught a lot of hell around here for pointing out the severity of that injury for that position, with info from my own experiences of having a torn labrum repaired, and what my ortho said about athletes & rotator cuff surgery - now Pennington reinjured himself doing exactly what I said would do it, and some here are talking about him like he still has a chance to become something in the NFL.

 

If it ain't Leinart, you better hope the Jets draft Young, because Ramsey ain't gonna get it done in NY if he couldn't get it done in Washington.

QBs in the first round are almost a 50-50 proposition. For every Rothlisberger and Peyton Manning there is a Ryan Leaf and Andre Ware.

 

None of the QBs in this draft impress me enough for the Jets to waste a top pick on, and for the love of god definitely not Young.

 

I don't think any Jet fan is 'enamored' with Ramsey, I just think we would all like to see the rest of the team built up so that the QB doesn't have to win games by himself on Offense.

 

Ferguson or Williams fill needs, and are top talents who cn make a more immediate impact than a QB would. With the other 6 picks in the first 4 rounds the Jets can find a RB and a project at QB.

[kiwimango 0]

Since some of you believe that Bush is average at best, and I am not one of them, I think he a talent that we havent seen in many years. IMO, the Jets should do whatever they have to do to get him and here is why:

 

I doubt they make the playoffs with or without him THIS YEAR. Too many teams in the AFC to jump over to make it.

 

Get a player that wont be coming around anytime soon again (BUSH) and continue rebuiling later in the draft and next year. The 3 QBs coming out this year at the TOP of the draft wont be any better than Brady Quinn and whatever 2 other QB are hot next year.

 

The JETS need a player to be the face of the franchise. That is Reggie Bush. I am not sold on Leinart, the same way people question Bush is the same way that I say whenever Leinert gets knocked around, he doesnt look as half as good as he normally does, and wherever he goes he will be knocked around. And the Same ALL AMERICAN that Bush ran behind, Leinart threw to and behind. So that argument is out the window.

 

Bush would be a hit in NY and the Jets would be best served to make a run at him!

[p.man 7]

I respect your opinion but at the same time I don't think the Jets are as far away from

the playoffs as you do. I happen to think that any team who seriously upgrades it's front line has a much greater chance at winning more games and possibly making the playoffs at the same time.

With the way free agency is now in the NFL any bad team can become good in a hurry.

In a tough division to begin with they should try to bolster their o-line.

 

As a Jets fan I'm sure we will be entertained on draft day. And who knows, with the young guy's now running the team maybe we will actually be better off in the long run.

Go Jets!

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

Should this happen, the interesting question is would Houston look to try and fill needs and take either Mario Williams or Brick (Assuming one of them is there) with the #4... or do they take the hometown kid in Young?

[kiwimango 0]

I respect your opinion but at the same time I don't think the Jets are as far away from

the playoffs as you do. I happen to think that any team who seriously upgrades it's front line has a much greater chance at winning more games and possibly making the playoffs at the same time.

With the way free agency is now in the NFL any bad team can become good in a hurry.

In a tough division to begin with they should try to bolster their o-line.

 

As a Jets fan I'm sure we will be entertained on draft day. And who knows, with the young guy's now running the team maybe we will actually be better off in the long run.

Go Jets!

 

I am not a JETS fan, but I think that making a run at BUSH would be great for the Team and the Fans. As for the playoffs, this was my point. I know that in the NFL, you can move from worst to first in a hurry, but the AFC is so stacked.

 

Indy

Jax

Pit

Cin

KC

SD

Den

NE

Miami

 

These are teams that on paper APPEAR to fighting for playoff spots, so to make the playoffs the Jets would have to jump maybe 4 of these teams and I dont really think any of these teams took a step backwards.

 

So I would think that if you could get BUSH this year and maybe a couple of linemen this draft would be a success for you guys this year. Again the QBs in this draft are not must have's they all have questions. Look at next year. Quinn is better than any QB right now in the draft, Brohm at LVille, is on par with anyone else in this draft and Troy Smith will do what Vince young did this year. QBs come and go, but talents like BUSH come along only once in a while.

[Little Big Head 6]

From ESPN insider

 

 

Bush Market

 

USC RB Reggie Bush still figures to be the first player selected in the 2006 draft. The Texans have spent recent weeks leaking rumors to the media regarding their possible interest in selecting Williams with the first overall pick. They've even gone as far as to open up predraft contract talks with Williams and his agent, Ben Dogra, while making it abundantly clear to the media that no such talks have occurred with Joel Segal, who represents Bush.

 

The Texans' interest in Williams is sincere, but only if they strike a deal to trade down. All the other talk can be chalked up to predraft smoke screens. This type of nonsense takes place annually. Just as the 49ers used WR Braylon Edwards (Browns) and DC Antrel Rolle (Cardinals) to get a better deal for QB Alex Smith, the Texans are using Williams to establish more leverage before sitting down with Segal to hash out a predraft deal with Bush.

 

The only thing standing in the way of Bush heading to Houston is a potential trade between the Texans and Jets. Multiple sources have told me the Jets are aggressively seeking a deal that would catapult them to the top of the draft board to bring Bush to New York. Referring back to the Trade Value Chart, such a deal for the first overall pick (worth 3,000 points) would cost Jets something similar to the following:

 

• Pick No. 4 (1,800)

• Pick No. 29 (640)

• Pick No. 35 (550)

• Pick No. 103 (88)

 

As it stands right now, the Jets own seven of the draft's first 117 selections, giving them the ammunition to make this kind of blockbuster move. If they made the deal with the Texans for Bush, the Jets would be left with three of those picks (71, 97, 117) in the first four rounds.

 

While Bush is unquestionably the best prospect in this year's draft, it would still be understandable if the Texans opted to make such a deal. General manager Charlie Casserly must assess Bush's value as compared to those four picks, which could land his team a quartet of prospects similar to the following:

 

• Pick No. 4: Virginia OT D'Brickashaw Ferguson

• Pick No. 29: Ohio State DC Ashton Youboty

• Pick No. 35: Penn State DE Tamba Hali

• Pick No. 103: Virginia Tech OLB James Anderson

 

When considering the Texans' glaring needs along the offensive line and on defense, it would be difficult to chose Bush over those four prospects -- especially with RB Dominic Davis already in house.

 

Regardless, Bush will be the first prospect called to the podium next Saturday.

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The only thing standing in the way of Bush heading to Houston is a potential trade between the Texans and Jets. Multiple sources have told me the Jets are aggressively seeking a deal that would catapult them to the top of the draft board to bring Bush to New York. Referring back to the Trade Value Chart, such a deal for the first overall pick (worth 3,000 points) would cost Jets something similar to the following:

 

• Pick No. 4 (1,800)

• Pick No. 29 (640)

• Pick No. 35 (550)

• Pick No. 103 (88)

 

I think the Jets should do it. They aren't going to win this year, Martin is on his last legs, and Bush is young enough (21) to be around plenty long into Mangini's rebuilding process. More importantly, he's that good. Use Martin/Bush like LenDale/Bush in his rookie year, and then by '07 solidify that line and set Reggie loose. I think the Texans should do it too.

[Texansfan 0]

On top of having DD, they have a pro bowl return man!

 

You're going to bench your pro bowl return guy, for a rookie? Bench DD for Bush?

 

Come on. It's a bad fit. If they can get 2 1st round picks, plus another late rounder. You can't pass that up. Williams/Brick/Hawk would all be much better fits.

 

 

First of all Mathis returns KICKS, not punts. Why? Because he has incredible straight line speed, but not the agility to avoid the first wave on punt returns. So Reggie could return punts.

 

Second of all, DD will not be benched. He will be a perfect compliment to Bush. Give Bush 15-20 carries per game and DD 12-15 touches per game and you have an IDEAL situation for both backs. This will help keep them both healthy since DD has had injury problems and Reggie is "too small".

 

Not to mention getting both of them in the backfiled at the same time. What a nightmare that would be for defenses since they can both catch!

[t.j 35]

Second of all, DD will not be benched. He will be a perfect compliment to Bush. Give Bush 15-20 carries per game and DD 12-15 touches per game and you have an IDEAL situation for both backs.

 

I don't think that's an ideal situation for Davis.

 

That also looks pretty optimistic to me in terms of the number of rushes Houston is going to be able to attempt. Last year they ranked #15 in rushing attempts but that was still only 24 carries per game (not counting Carr's carries). If Bush averages 15+ carries, I don't see Davis getting 12-15 touches. Granted, some of Davis' touches would be receptions, but he only had 3.5 catches per game last year and would probably have fewer with Bush around. So you're basically saying about 24-32 carries per game by Bush and Davis combined, and I don't see that happening.

 

I think more realistic would be to try to get Davis 12-17 carries per game and Bush 10-15 touches per game, understanding that more of Bush's touches are going to be receptions, and the yards and TDs would probably end up pretty close.

 

Not to mention getting both of them in the backfiled at the same time. What a nightmare that would be for defenses since they can both catch!

 

I do think the Texans could use Bush. You make a great point about Mathis not being in the way of Bush to return punts, as well. Plus Bush is 4 years and 770 NFL carries younger than Davis, so there's obviously long-term value in adding Bush. I think they could do better by moving down to the 4th pick, though.

[Datathief 0]

Bush in Oakland would be awesome. I think they are actually looking at Leinhart though.

[esoitl 0]

Bush in Oakland would be awesome. I think they are actually looking at Leinhart though.

whats the story with Walters out of Oakland?

project gone wrong already or career back-up?

[t.j 35]

whats the story with Walters out of Oakland?

project gone wrong already or career back-up?

 

I think the Raiders are thinking career back-up. Hard to say, really. He had a chance to play last year based on Collins' and Tui's performances, but was hurt at the time. Keep in mind he was drafted when Norv Turner was the head coach, and new head coaches usually like to bank on their own guy (new guy) as QB.

[themorey 1]

I don't want Bush simply for the price it will cost. First you lay the foundation. Then you build the house. Then you add the fancy furniture. The Jets have many holes, and giving up a ton of picks for Bush wouldn't make sense. The Jets need line help on both sides, and they need to begin thinking about a QB if Ramsey isn't going to pan out.

 

If Bush falls to the #4 then that's a different story. Our O-line was swiss cheese last year. So Bush would probably be fairly ineffective anyway.

 

My 2 cents.

 

 

As another Jets fan I agree with with the house analogy. And I think this offseason the new coaching staff has been doing exactly that. They have improved the O-line with some key acquisitions and have picked up Kimo on the D-line. They also got rid of some excess baggage by sending Abraham away. As good as he is you can not have a disgruntled star on your team.

 

On the defense there has been talk of the Jets moving to a 3-4 but I don't see it with the personnel they currently have. With the addition of Kimo they have pretty good interior linemen now to go along with Ellis at one of the ends. With another strong DE they should be pretty effective in a 4-3. Besides, they don't have the LBs to consistently run a 3-4. If they were to draft Hawk that may be a different story, but I don't see that happening at #4.

 

My take on the draft is they should take D'Brick, Super Mario, or, if available, Bush.

[BrownsWon 0]

And you have to remember, Kubiak is coming from a system in which has proven that if you have a good O-line + good blocking schemes, you can succeed with slightly better than average RBs.

 

Build the O-line first. Give Carr the time he needs to make his reads and throw the ball. Making the O-line better also makes the running game better which also helps you chew up clock time.

 

Kubiak is also coming from a system where they take average O-lineman and build a good O-line. I guess they don't need Bush or Brick.