Real draft going on right now

[Yippie Skippy 0]

Sweet-- take a look at the NFL schedule when deciding which QB(s) you plan to draft to fill in for Carson. Look at Cinn's bye week 5 for QBs with favorable matchups. Then look at teams with QBs with favorable matchups during weeks 1-4.

 

Then look at your playoff weeks. Assuming they are weeks 14-16 I think that if you targeted both AZ QBs you'd be the strongest in your league at the QB position.

 

Week 5 AZ plays KC at home. IMO a high scoring game. AZ opens with SF at home, @SEA, STL, @ATL. That would more than get you bye until, at worst case scenerio Carson doesn't play until after the bye.

 

Carson will likely be a stud in weeks 14 with OAK at home, 15 @INDY. A blizzard in Denver during late december could be a concern in week 16. In week 16, AZ plays @SF.

 

Normally I would not advocate drafting 3 QBs, but in this case it makes alot of sense to me.

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STeeler mike has Gates 2X - I'd like to see who his other guy might be

[Sweetness_34 0]

Sweet-- take a look at the NFL schedule when deciding which QB(s) you plan to draft to fill in for Carson. Look at Cinn's bye week 5 for QBs with favorable matchups. Then look at teams with QBs with favorable matchups during weeks 1-4.

 

Then look at your playoff weeks. Assuming they are weeks 14-16 I think that if you targeted both AZ QBs you'd be the strongest in your league at the QB position.

 

Week 5 AZ plays KC at home. IMO a high scoring game. AZ opens with SF at home, @SEA, STL, @ATL. That would more than get you bye until, at worst case scenerio Carson doesn't play until after the bye.

 

Carson will likely be a stud in weeks 14 with OAK at home, 15 @INDY. A blizzard in Denver during late december could be a concern in week 16. In week 16, AZ plays @SF.

 

Normally I would not advocate drafting 3 QBs, but in this case it makes alot of sense to me.

 

Guess what Yippie.....my #1 target for back up QB is Mr Kurt Warner, I already saw the schedules and I already figured it out .....it just fits in too well. Amazing schedule 1st 5 games of the week like you said, and typically he tends to be lost after midway through the season, and hence if he does, Carson will be there by then.

 

Agreed 100%

 

STeeler mike has Gates 2X - I'd like to see who his other guy might be

 

Corrected.....Tom Brady at Qb

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The flying O's have a very interesting team - I think these running backs are good because I think you said you're in a ppr league- man what a receiving corps he has. Great team and possibly great trade options for one of those wr. I think I like the Flying O's right now the best.

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The flying O's have a very interesting team - I think these running backs are good because I think you said you're in a ppr league- man what a receiving corps he has. Great team and possibly great trade options for one of those wr. I think I like the Flying O's right now the best.

 

He traded down from 1.03 to get an exra 2/3/4 and he also traded up with me when I moved down for Randy Moss. FWP does not catch many passes (Vernon Haynes gets the 3rd down duty). Yes, his WRs are impressive but all I keep hearing here is that RBs win superbowls

 

If Dunn can score TDs, he will be fine. Otherwise he is in trouble. Also, Dun only caught 20 to 30 catches last year....he used ot have 50 to 60 in Tampa. Atlanta does not use him thatway much.....or maybe Vick just hits the OL while trying to throw to Dunn

[Da Bomb 0]

had the exact same thoughts with kurt warner as a backup.

 

man, what exactly was that trade for shaun alexander anyways? that one guy still has only two players! pretty crazy. also, tatum bell is pretty good value for the $teeler guy, and he has sick RBs now, but what in the heck is he planning on doing when he doesnt take his first WR in a PPR start-three league until 6.12???

[Sweetness_34 0]

had the exact same thoughts with kurt warner as a backup.

 

man, what exactly was that trade for shaun alexander anyways? that one guy still has only two players! pretty crazy. also, tatum bell is pretty good value for the $teeler guy, and he has sick RBs now, but what in the heck is he planning on doing when he doesnt take his first WR in a PPR start-three league until 6.12???

 

1.03 + 6.10 + 7.03 for 2.08, 3.05, 4.08

 

Interesting about the rosters is the following:

 

3 teams have QBs (9 more required) ..... assume at least 5 take Qbs before my 6.07

2 teams have 0 WRs (in a PPR league that requires 3 WRs starting). They have to make a run for WRs now (Galloway, Andre Johnson etc)..... assume 5-7 WRs taken before my pick (someone else will take a WR too)

3 teams have TEs (9 more required).....assume 3 more go before my 6.07 (Heap, Crumpler, Witten)

 

That means 13-15 picks can be non-RB ..... And there are 17 picks before I make one.....good chance I see good RBs again to pick from

[Da Bomb 0]

man, thats a pretty steep price to pay, even for alexander, in a draft. i guess that guy has 5.3 now and then a pair of 6s and 7s. he'll have to get lucky with some later WRs, and he better hope alexander and sjax pan out. i actually tried this strategy a couple of years ago and traded up so that i had ladanian tomlinson and shaun alexander. obviously it worked for me, becuase i ended up with two superstud RBs, and i also didnt pay nearly as much as this dude, but it was a heckuva lot of work to try to build the rest of my non-RB roster when i had traded away so much.

[football_scooter 0]

yea i agree w/ fumble.. compared with the other teams, urs is not one of the worst at all. good luck in ur future rounds.

 

I disagree entirely.

Name-brand value he looks fine. If this were 2002 he'd have a monster roster.

I think he has more risk than any team in the league based on the following:

 

Age (Tiki & CMart both over 30, RMoss 29 and DJax 28)

 

Injury history (recent, and past - Tiki used to be considered fragile, CMart with knee troubles, DJax with not one but 2 knee surgeries, RMoss hasn't been healthy in 2 seasons, Palmer with a grotesque knee injury that he might come back from in time for the season)

 

Roster competition: Giants have been trying to get a GL back in place for 2 years, and it looks like they have one in BJacobs. He was expected to take carries last year to keep Tiki fresh, and to take the pounding of the GL, but he was somewhat overwhealmed in his rookie season. Year 2 could mean taking a big bite out of Tiki's #s. Perhaps Giants fans can add to that. CuMart has a young buck on the roster that is undoubtedl going to take carries. They will want to spell CM as often as possible, and at the same time they'll need to see what they have in Houston so they know what direction to go for 2007, since this is pretty well known to be CMart's swan song.

 

It's all just too much for me. Right now, on paper, he looks like he'll compete. But I firmly believe this team is begging for an injury, and the strategy of taking "known commodity veterans" is going to be deadly when his players start dropping.

 

I think a draft can stand one risk/reward aging veteran player. I do not think a team can stand 4 of them.

 

And now the depth is going to become an issue as well - because now he HAS To back up Palmer with a competent QB, which will cost you a pick; he HAS to take 2 RBs to cover his RB3 because everyone left on the list is a RBBC or a "him or him" kind of candidate - TJones/CBenson for example. So that's essentially 4 picks to cover two positions - never a good value in any draft, IMO.

 

It's going to cost him depth at other positions, like WR, where he needs to have 3 starting.

 

Again, just one man's opinion. Many disagree, but that makes for good debate.

[Sweetness_34 0]

man, thats a pretty steep price to pay, even for alexander, in a draft. i guess that guy has 5.3 now and then a pair of 6s and 7s. he'll have to get lucky with some later WRs, and he better hope alexander and sjax pan out. i actually tried this strategy a couple of years ago and traded up so that i had ladanian tomlinson and shaun alexander. obviously it worked for me, becuase i ended up with two superstud RBs, and i also didnt pay nearly as much as this dude, but it was a heckuva lot of work to try to build the rest of my non-RB roster when i had traded away so much.

 

No he does not have 5.03....the guy with the 3 WRs has the 5.03. The other guy has 7.03 and 6.10

[SoloMatisse 0]

Steeler Mike has 5 players and zero WRs...in a start 3WR league. Thats funny. Im sure he's thinking value at this point, but fedex that guy some friggin' smelling salts already. he'll probably turn out to be your biggest competition.

[Da Bomb 0]

No he does not have 5.03....the guy with the 3 WRs has the 5.03. The other guy has 7.03 and 6.10

 

good grief, so no picks from 1.5 until the 6th round? i hope he paid his entry fee already.

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good grief, so no picks from 1.5 until the 6th round? i hope he paid his entry fee already.

 

He has his own 5th round pick - 5.05

 

Next - 6.08, 6.10, 7.03, 7.05

 

In short, he is the ideal candidate for me to try to trade with

[football_scooter 0]

Steeler Mike has 5 players and zero WRs...in a start 3WR league. Thats funny. Im sure he's thinking value at this point, but fedex that guy some friggin' smelling salts already. he'll probably turn out to be your biggest competition.

 

Most of my leagues have 3 WRs, and I generally have 3 RBs, 1 WR after 4 rounds. In the past I've had TGonz in there too for 5 players, 1 WR, so I can understand this.

 

Some people believe utilizing 3 WRs means you need to reach for them because it makes them more valuable. In my experience, it's the opposite that is true. While you may not get a stud WR, having 3 allows you to have 3 X WR2 types who will have 60+ receptiond and 4-7 TDs.

 

When you start 2 WRs, and you have WR2 options it is far more difficult to know which week which one is going to break out.

 

When you start 3, it curbs that risk - send out your top 3 and one of 'em is bound to produce.

 

and while others are pillaging the WRs, a position of significant depth and where sleepers ALWAYS pop up out of the blue and produce (TJ Housh, Clayton, McCardell, Galloway, Glenn, MRob, KRob etc) and can be plucked off the WW, you cannot say the same for RBs and you can pluck 2-3 in the 1st 4 rounds and be stronger for it.

 

Different strategies for different people, and I can respect them all...but in my experience, starting 3 WRs actually decreases their value somewhat.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Most of my leagues have 3 WRs, and I generally have 3 RBs, 1 WR after 4 rounds. In the past I've had TGonz in there too for 5 players, 1 WR, so I can understand this.

 

Some people believe utilizing 3 WRs means you need to reach for them because it makes them more valuable. In my experience, it's the opposite that is true. While you may not get a stud WR, having 3 allows you to have 3 X WR2 types who will have 60+ receptiond and 4-7 TDs.

 

When you start 2 WRs, and you have WR2 options it is far more difficult to know which week which one is going to break out.

 

When you start 3, it curbs that risk - send out your top 3 and one of 'em is bound to produce.

 

and while others are pillaging the WRs, a position of significant depth and where sleepers ALWAYS pop up out of the blue and produce (TJ Housh, Clayton, McCardell, Galloway, Glenn, MRob, KRob etc) and can be plucked off the WW, you cannot say the same for RBs and you can pluck 2-3 in the 1st 4 rounds and be stronger for it.

 

Different strategies for different people, and I can respect them all...but in my experience, starting 3 WRs actually decreases their value somewhat.

 

So, who's draft do you like the best until now scooter? Can you rank them 1 to 12 (I know I am 12 ) .....

[football_scooter 0]

So, who's draft do you like the best until now scooter? Can you rank them 1 to 12 (I know I am 12 ) .....

 

Hrm...let's see...I'll give it a shot. And I doubt you'll be 12th.

 

Angry Squirrels:

RB LaDainian Tomlinson SDC 0.00 1.02 3

RB Reggie Bush FA 0.00 3.02 0

WR Anquan Boldin ARI 0.00 2.11 9

TE Tony Gonzalez KCC 0.00 4.11 3

 

$teelerMike

QB Tom Brady NEP 0.00 5.01 6

RB Larry Johnson KCC 0.00 1.01 3

RB Julius Jones DAL 0.00 2.12 3

TE Antonio Gates SDC 0.00 3.01 3

RB Tatum Bell DEN 0.00 4.12 4

2 - this team has LJ, Bell and Gates, plus a consistent QB. JJones was a reach in the 2nd, IMO, but the upside is clear - he is a handcuff of MBIII away from having a very studly backfield, and Bell will be utilized in Denver. Then he has an elite TE option, which can be just as prolific as a solid #2 WR. I don't think he was worthy of a 3.01 pick over the WRs there, but I see the value he'll add to the team (+/- 10 TDs, 1000 yds as a safety valve for Rivers)

 

Ohio River-Rats

RB Edgerrin James IND 0.00 1.04 6

RB Reuben Droughns CLE 0.00 3.10 6

WR Marvin Harrison IND 0.00 2.09 6

WR Javon Walker GBP 0.00 4.09 6

5 - I have to downgrade slightly because I am not sold on Walker doing anything this year. It's certainly possible, but far from a given. Otherwise I think Edge/Droughns/Harrison are a strong foundation for any fantasy team. While Edge might not get the obscene yardage he had in Indy, he will likely score more TDs in AZ. And you know, with such a potent passing game, that O-Line won't have to work nearly as hard to open holes for Edge, so the yards might be there after all. Plus his receiving ability makes him a stud in your format. Harrison is money - maybe the best route runner in the NFL, and he has the best QB throwing him the ball. They have the record and a chance to pile up on that record - plus with the departure of Edge from Indy, Manning might even approach his record again if Rhodes or Addei can't get it done.

 

Flying Ostriches (this guy traded out of 1.03 - the Shaun Alexander pick)

RB Willie Parker PIT 0.00 3.12 4

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 0.00 4.01 5

WR Terrell Owens PHI 0.00 2.07 9

WR Larry Fitzgerald ARI 0.00 2.08 9

WR Chris Chambers MIA 0.00 3.06 8

1 - believe it or not, the WR-WR-WR team is going to be a real threat - why? Because they smartly took two 2nd-3rd tier RBs to accompany them. Parker & Dunn won't be glamorous, and they may not be TD monsters, but they should stay healthy, be yardage and receiving beasts and will score a few TDs to go along with their consistent yardage points. Meanwhile he has the potential to have 3 of the top 5 WRs in the NFL. An interesting style going "Stud WR" but one I must respect for the results. Bravo, my hat goes off to this team.

 

 

Prairie Oysters

RB Carnell Williams TBB 0.00 1.10 4

RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0.00 3.04 7

WR Steve Smith CAR 0.00 2.03 9

WR Plaxico Burress NYG 0.00 4.03 4

7 - While risky, I like the JLew/Caddy combo. Both have risk, but upside for sure. SSmith is a monster, and Burress should catch enough passes to make him a strong 4th round value in a PPR format. I'd put this team a lot higher if my crystal ball could tell me that both JLew & Caddy would stay healthy all year.

 

Keyser Soze

RB Ronnie Brown MIA 0.00 1.11 8

RB Domanick Davis HOU 0.00 2.02 5

WR Roy Williams DET 0.00 3.11 8

WR Santana Moss WAS 0.00 4.02 8

4 - RBrown/DDavis have a chance to be HUGE; in a PPR league especially. I like the Moss pick, and I think Roy Williams has a chance at a big year. RB and RW aren't the safest of commodities, but the upside is undeniable. Same with DDavis.

 

BerthaC (this guy traded up for 1.03 by giving up the 2/3/4 rounders)

RB Shaun Alexander SEA 0.00 1.03 5

RB Steven Jackson STL 0.00 1.05 7

 

Vipers

RB Willis McGahee BUF 0.00 1.12 8

RB Brian Westbrook PHI 0.00 2.01 9

WR Reggie Wayne IND 0.00 3.03 6

TE Jeremy Shockey NYG 0.00 4.08 4

6 - Willis should be better than he was last year, and Westbrook is a PPR monster. Wayne is rapidly catching up to Harrison, and should have a good year. Shockey could be in for a huge season as Eli's favorite target.

 

Feisty Ferrets

RB Clinton Portis WAS 0.00 1.07 8

RB Chester Taylor BAL 0.00 3.07 7

WR Torry Holt STL 0.00 2.06 7

WR TJ Houshmandzadeh CIN 0.00 4.06 5

3 - Portis/CTaylor is a dynamite 1-2 punch, and I see them both being on the upswing, on good teams and with potential to post career numbers. Holt is the man, and TJ Housh is a damn good WR2.

 

Godzilla

RB Rudi Johnson CIN 0.00 1.09 5

RB Kevin Jones DET 0.00 3.09 8

WR Chad Johnson CIN 0.00 2.04 5

WR Joe Horn NOS 0.00 4.04 7

 

Steagles

QB Peyton Manning IND 0.00 2.05 6

RB LaMont Jordan OAK 0.00 1.08 3

WR Hines Ward PIT 0.00 3.08 4

WR Donald Driver GBP 0.00 4.05 6

 

Da Bears (My team)

QB Carson Palmer CIN 0.00 4.07 5

RB Tiki Barber NYG 0.00 1.06 4

RB Curtis Martin NYJ 0.00 4.10 9

WR Randy Moss OAK 0.00 2.10 3

WR Darrell Jackson SEA 0.00 3.05 5

8 - despite the potential for a catastrophic series of injuries, at present, in May, this is a decent roster. I think Tiki & RMoss could carry this team, which is vital as I think CMart and DJax will not. Palmer is a good pick where you got him, but for your situation, I think you HAD to take 2 "upside" RBs there at 4.07 and 4.10, or a combo of Benson and TJones, or Rhodes/Addei. Your previous picks had you in a hole and you didn't address the dramatic need for a RB3 with RB2 upside. As it stands, every single one of your players is coming off injury. As I mentioned - a roster can handle one of those guys...maybe 2. But all of them add up to potential disaster. Had you gone RB at 3.05, then WR at 4.07 and upside-RB (Benson/Bell/etc) then I would have rated you top 4 or 5.

 

 

The rest are tough to rate - I can't rate the team with only Alexander & SJax, because I dunno who he's going to fill out his roster with. At the same time I can't say it's going to be bad, because those two are bonnafied studs who can carry a team.

 

The team with Rudi, KJones, CJohnson & JHorn has potential to be top 5, but that depends on Horn & KJones - two players I think are extremely risky this year.

 

Team Manning looks pretty good, except he needed a RB2 and took a WR2. I think that was especially a mistake considering he took a QB in the 2nd round. That, to me, dictates a RB in the 3rd or 4th at the latest.

 

Team LT2 is shakey at best and also hard to rate. Bush is the wildcard. I think he's the most overrated FFB player this year - he might have the talent to live up to the hype, but the team around him and the presence of McAllister make it a dicey proposition. Taking Bush in the 3rd is risky as hell, but adding TGOnz to that equasion makes this a pretty dicey roster.

 

My $.02 (more like $.37)

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Flying Ostriches (this guy traded out of 1.03 - the Shaun Alexander pick)

RB Willie Parker PIT 0.00 3.12 4

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 0.00 4.01 5

WR Terrell Owens PHI 0.00 2.07 9

WR Larry Fitzgerald ARI 0.00 2.08 9

WR Chris Chambers MIA 0.00 3.06 8

1 - believe it or not, the WR-WR-WR team is going to be a real threat - why? Because they smartly took two 2nd-3rd tier RBs to accompany them. Parker & Dunn won't be glamorous, and they may not be TD monsters, but they should stay healthy, be yardage and receiving beasts and will score a few TDs to go along with their consistent yardage points. Meanwhile he has the potential to have 3 of the top 5 WRs in the NFL. An interesting style going "Stud WR" but one I must respect for the results. Bravo, my hat goes off to this team.

 

Scooter

 

Parker and Dunn are PPR beasts you said????

 

Last 2 years - Dunn has had 29 receptions each year (2 per game on avg = 2 pts) and he had 2 TDs last year. He usedto average 50 receptions a game with Tampa but he has not done that with Atlanta (see last 2 years). Also, Dunn is old and undersized => equal potential for injury as CMart if not worse.

 

Last year - Willie Parker had 19 receptions (1.5 per game = 1.5 pts) and he had 5 TDs last year

 

Last year (when CMart missed 4 games) - CMart had 24 receptions (1.5 per game = 1.5 pts) & 5 TDs last year

 

Before last year - Curtis Martin has averaged 40 to 50 receptions a year for the last 8 years or so. With Pennington back, I expect his receptions to go back up to his average of 40 or so (>2 pts a game)

 

 

 

 

$teelerMike

QB Tom Brady NEP 0.00 5.01 6

RB Larry Johnson KCC 0.00 1.01 3

RB Julius Jones DAL 0.00 2.12 3

TE Antonio Gates SDC 0.00 3.01 3

RB Tatum Bell DEN 0.00 4.12 4

2 - this team has LJ, Bell and Gates, plus a consistent QB. JJones was a reach in the 2nd, IMO, but the upside is clear - he is a handcuff of MBIII away from having a very studly backfield, and Bell will be utilized in Denver. Then he has an elite TE option, which can be just as prolific as a solid #2 WR. I don't think he was worthy of a 3.01 pick over the WRs there, but I see the value he'll add to the team (+/- 10 TDs, 1000 yds as a safety valve for Rivers)

 

Sorry scooter - but Gates will not have 10 TDs this year with a rookie QB. There will not be enough redzone opportunities as previous years and there will be more turnovers stalling drives. In a PPR league with 3 starting WRs, this guy is playing with fire when he starts Derrick Mason as his #1 WR

[jstraza 0]

Jason Campbell's not a rookie. Lots of QBs have had success in their 2nd year after spending their 1st year on the bench. Washington doesn't rely on their starting QB any more than the rest of the NFL. How could you not like Portis? Dude is only 24 years old and already has almost 6000 rushing yards! Do you realize you picked a guy who gets taken out on the goal line over one of the league's few feature backs who is a great home run threat as well as the team's goal line option?

 

 

Portis is 26. He has a lot of miles on him early and seems to take a lot of direct hits. He is always getting chest bruises.

[football_scooter 0]

Sorry scooter - but Gates will not have 10 TDs this year with a rookie QB. There will not be enough redzone opportunities as previous years and there will be more turnovers stalling drives. In a PPR league with 3 starting WRs, this guy is playing with fire when he starts Derrick Mason as his #1 WR

 

Rivers isn't a rookie. You probably meant "1st year starter"...but if anything, I expect Gates numbers to improve.

 

he is the ultimate safety valve for an inexperienced QB.

 

When Brees was sucking, LT2 caught 100 passes for 1000+....do you actually think that was a coincedence?

 

It's a tip that it wasn't. And Rivers, by all accounts, has the talent that allowed them to let Brees go. Marty will play it relatively safe at 1st, which bodes well for Gates numbers. I don't see them taking the reins off and letting Rivers try to hit McCardell deep at first, which means more short & intermediate passes.

 

Hell, Rivers is an intriguing sleeper for the talent of LT2 and Gates as receiving options. Either of those guys can take a 10 yard pass to the house.

 

Again - agree to disagree. You asked me to rate the teams and I took a shot at it - it was all off the cuff. Don't like it? Ask someone else to rank them.

 

But I honestly see your soon-to-be mash unit as no better than the 8th best team in this league, and probably a lot worse when the injuries pile up. Again - you asked. Being critical of my review is pretty lame when I took the time to honor your request.

[Sweetness_34 0]

The team with Rudi, KJones, CJohnson & JHorn has potential to be top 5, but that depends on Horn & KJones - two players I think are extremely risky this year.

 

Sorry but I see tons of holes in your logic, scooter. So, you think a team with Rudi and Kevin Jones has potential to be top 5.

 

How the fock will they be any good when Rudi does not catch passes (See Perry), and that he has 2 players (Rudi and Chad J) who both are as much of a risk as Carson Palmer. If Palmer does not perform, Chad J will stink for being picked as the 2nd WR in this draft and Rudi will not even be a top 10 back with Wright as his QB (guaranteed).

 

This is the kind of logic I never understand. You call out Housh as a damn good WR2, Chad a a stud and Rudi as very good, and yet THEY ALL DEPEND ON CARSON PALMER PRODUCING. And if Palmer produces, I have the best QB in the league in the 4th round (talk about a steal there). So which one is it? Is Palmer producing to be top 3 QB or not? If not, this above team will really stink.

 

And I have not even mentioned Kevin Jones who has more games off from injuries than Curtis Martin. Just because you are older does not mean you are more injury prone. Cmart for the 1st time in his life missed 4 games last year, played almost entire year hurt, with a shitty QB, wth a shitty OL and still got 1000+ yards running and receiving. BTW he outscored Kevin Jones by 20 points in my leagues scoring last year.

 

Rivers isn't a rookie. You probably meant "1st year starter"...but if anything, I expect Gates numbers to improve.

 

he is the ultimate safety valve for an inexperienced QB.

 

When Brees was sucking, LT2 caught 100 passes for 1000+....do you actually think that was a coincedence?

 

It's a tip that it wasn't. And Rivers, by all accounts, has the talent that allowed them to let Brees go. Marty will play it relatively safe at 1st, which bodes well for Gates numbers. I don't see them taking the reins off and letting Rivers try to hit McCardell deep at first, which means more short & intermediate passes.

 

Hell, Rivers is an intriguing sleeper for the talent of LT2 and Gates as receiving options. Either of those guys can take a 10 yard pass to the house.

 

Again - agree to disagree. You asked me to rate the teams and I took a shot at it - it was all off the cuff. Don't like it? Ask someone else to rank them.

 

But I honestly see your soon-to-be mash unit as no better than the 8th best team in this league, and probably a lot worse when the injuries pile up. Again - you asked. Being critical of my review is pretty lame when I took the time to honor your request.

 

Apologies if I came off as being critical. The intent was to have a spirited discussion that benefits us all. Keep it coming buddy

[Gepetto 1,367]

I still can't believe how high Kevin Jones is going in drafts. I like his talent having watched him play in college and now in the NFL, but he just doesn't get it done most of the time. The Lions drafted a rookie running back for a reason, not saying Calhoun is anything special either. If I could get Kevin Jones as my 3rd running back in the 5th or 6th round, then I might, but not any higher. My 2 cents.

[football_scooter 0]

Sorry but I see tons of holes in your logic, scooter. So, you think a team with Rudi and Kevin Jones has potential to be top 5.

I didn't rate that team - I said it was impossible to do so. I didn't say they were top 5. I said they had potential to be, all depending on both Kevin Jones and Joe Horn - if I thought these two players were worth spit this year, I would have rated this team top 5. Not being psychic, I do not know if they will surpass my modest expectations for them - but I do not write off the possibility that KJones comes back as the surprise of 2006, as he has the talent IMO. In the 2nd half of 2004, KJones was the NFL's leading rusher, on a bad DET team.

 

Again - POTENTIAL.

 

But they remain an "also ran" for I don't know how KJones will do in the new-look DET offense, and I don't have any confidence that Horn is still capable of quality numbers - especially with my concerns about Brees shoulder injury. See: Pennington

 

How the fock will they be any good when Rudi does not catch passes (See Perry), and that he has 2 players (Rudi and Chad J) who both are as much of a risk as Carson Palmer. If Palmer does not perform, Chad J will stink for being picked as the 2nd WR in this draft and Rudi will not even be a top 10 back with Wright as his QB (guaranteed).

 

This is the kind of logic I never understand. You call out Housh as a damn good WR2, Chad a a stud and Rudi as very good, and yet THEY ALL DEPEND ON CARSON PALMER PRODUCING. And if Palmer produces, I have the best QB in the league in the 4th round (talk about a steal there). So which one is it? Is Palmer producing to be top 3 QB or not? If not, this above team will really stink.

 

I said Palmer was coming off injury. That was my only slight on Palmer. He carried 2 of my teams last year and I love the guy. Housh and CJohnson are far more dependant on Palmer returning sooner than later, IMO. RuJo gets it done - he's an extremely underrated back. Perry is coming off an injury season, and while the buzz is to get him more involved, RuJo still gets the touches at the stripe and most of the RuYds on the field. If palmer misses any time, I fully expect the Bengals to lean on Rudi for the first X games until CP returns.

 

Perhaps that's a bit easier to understand...you're speaking oranges to my apples. I happen to think Rudi will be a top 10 RB, because Palmer IS going to come back at some point, if he misses any time at all - reports now are that he may not.

 

And I have not even mentioned Kevin Jones who has more games off from injuries than Curtis Martin.

That was mostly Mooch being a wuss and continuing his retarded mentality of enforcing a RBBC even if you have a back as talented as KJones. I remember seeing KJ take a carry 35 yds on the 1st play of the game, and Mooch ran 3 straight pass plays after that. Jones touched the ball like 3 more times that day. Hard to blame Jones, who was literally pacing the sidelines asking to get back into the game while Mooch seemed determined to sign his own exit papers.

 

Just because you are older does not mean you are more injury prone.

No, but it sure does mean you're more likely to suffer an injury to a joint or tendon, which break down consistently among older RBs. See: Charlie Garner for a perfect example...similar career to CMart in terms of use...he had a minor knee injury one year, then came back to a major one...then came back to another. CMart is 32 and coming off a knee injury. Torn something or other if I recall. Minor or otherwise, the human body does not heal as well after 30 - that's a fact. And if I were in anything but a free league, I'd pass on CMart in the 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th rounds.

 

Cmart for the 1st time in his life missed 4 games last year, played almost entire year hurt, with a shitty QB, wth a shitty OL and still got 1000+ yards running and receiving. BTW he outscored Kevin Jones by 20 points in my leagues scoring last year.

 

Last year is last year. The year before that, CMart was considered "done" because he had a lowly 2 TDs.

 

I am not yet ready to jump back on the bandwagon, though I was one of those here saying CMart would be better in 2005 than he was in 2004. So it's not like I don't like the guy or wish him ill...it's just the age that RBs with high miles break down. And the team he's on sucks. Pennington is done. Stick a fork in him. If you think he's going to last a full season, you're dreaming. The O-Line is below average, and Cedric Houston is waiting in the wings. Should at least be used to spell CMart to "keep him fresh".

 

The last player I'd ever take as my RB2 is a 32 y/o with high milage. It's as simple as that - too much risk, not enough reward.

 

Apologies if I came off as being critical. The intent was to have a spirited discussion that benefits us all. Keep it coming buddy

Sorry - just got a little annoyed there when I spent time evaluating at your request.

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Not to nitpick, scooter, but the year before last, CMart led the league in rushing and has 12 TDs or something like that

[ratbastard1 0]

Not to nitpick, scooter, but the year before last, CMart led the league in rushing and has 12 TDs or something like that

 

I say fluke. He's not consistant anymore. The team OL has rooks that need to step up but will take time for sure. The QB is a HUGE ? and the WRs arent scaring any Def. The def is interesting but can it dominate to keep the need for passing low?

 

http://fftoday.com/news/index.php?Item=357

 

He's had 2 good years in 5, 1 in 4. He's also had 2 bad years in five, 2 in 4. Things are much different than 2 years ago.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Andre Johnson gone next

[Da Bomb 0]

Andre Johnson gone next

 

good riddance.

[Sweetness_34 0]

good riddance.

 

Agreed ....so far so good, since my last pick, only 1 RB gone yet (Tinker Bell)

Updated:

 

1.01 LJ

1.02 LT

1.03 Shaun Alexander

1.04 Edge

1.05 Steven Jackson

1.06 Tiki Barber (my pick)

1.07 Portis

1.08 Lamont Jordan

1.09 Rudi Johnson

1.10 Caddy

1.11 Ronnie Brown

1.12 Mcgahee

2.01 Westbrook

2.02 Dom Davis

2.03 Steve Smith

2.04 Chad Johnson

2.05 Peyton Manning

2.06 Torry Holt

2.07 TO

2.08 Fitzgerald

2.09 Harrison

2.10 Randy Moss (my pick after trade down from 2.07 => got up from 3.05=>3.06 & 4.10=>5.06 too)

2.11 Boldin

2.12 Julius Jones

3.01 Antonio Gates

3.02 Reggie Bush

3.03 Reggie Wayne

3.04 Jamal Lewis

3.05 Darrell Jackson (My Pick)

3.06 Chris Chambers

3.07 Chester Taylor (your boy scooter )

3.08 Hines Ward

3.09 Kevin Jones

3.10 Reuben Droughns

3.11 Roy Williams/WR

3.12 Willie Parker

4.01 Warrick Dunn

4.02 Santana Moss

4.03 Plaxico Burress

4.04 Joe Horn

4.05 Donald Driver

4.06 Houshmandzadeh

4.07 Carson Palmer (My Pick)

4.08 Jeremy Shockey

4.09 Javon Walker

4.10 Curtis Martin (My Pick)

4.11 Tony Gonzalez

4.12 Tom Brady

5.01 Tatum Bell

5.02 Andre Johnson

5.03 Todd Heap

 

My Next Pick - 6.07 (15 picks later)

 

==================

 

Updated Rosters:

 

Angry Squirrels:

RB LaDainian Tomlinson SDC 0.00 1.02 3

RB Reggie Bush FA 0.00 3.02 0

WR Anquan Boldin ARI 0.00 2.11 9

WR Andre Johnson HOU 0.00 5.02 5

TE Tony Gonzalez KCC 0.00 4.11 3

 

$teelerMike

QB Tom Brady NEP 0.00 5.01 6

RB Larry Johnson KCC 0.00 1.01 3

RB Julius Jones DAL 0.00 2.12 3

TE Antonio Gates SDC 0.00 3.01 3

RB Tatum Bell DEN 0.00 4.12 4

 

Ohio River-Rats

RB Edgerrin James IND 0.00 1.04 6

RB Reuben Droughns CLE 0.00 3.10 6

WR Marvin Harrison IND 0.00 2.09 6

WR Javon Walker GBP 0.00 4.09 6

 

Flying Ostriches (this guy traded out of 1.03 - the Shaun Alexander pick)

RB Willie Parker PIT 0.00 3.12 4

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 0.00 4.01 5

WR Terrell Owens PHI 0.00 2.07 9

WR Larry Fitzgerald ARI 0.00 2.08 9

WR Chris Chambers MIA 0.00 3.06 8

TE Todd Heap BAL 0.00 5.03 7

 

Prairie Oysters

RB Carnell Williams TBB 0.00 1.10 4

RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0.00 3.04 7

WR Steve Smith CAR 0.00 2.03 9

WR Plaxico Burress NYG 0.00 4.03 4

 

Keyser Soze

RB Ronnie Brown MIA 0.00 1.11 8

RB Domanick Davis HOU 0.00 2.02 5

WR Roy Williams DET 0.00 3.11 8

WR Santana Moss WAS 0.00 4.02 8

 

BerthaC (this guy traded up for 1.03 by giving up the 2/3/4 rounders)

RB Shaun Alexander SEA 0.00 1.03 5

RB Steven Jackson STL 0.00 1.05 7

 

Vipers

RB Willis McGahee BUF 0.00 1.12 8

RB Brian Westbrook PHI 0.00 2.01 9

WR Reggie Wayne IND 0.00 3.03 6

TE Jeremy Shockey NYG 0.00 4.08 4

 

Feisty Ferrets

RB Clinton Portis WAS 0.00 1.07 8

RB Chester Taylor BAL 0.00 3.07 7

WR Torry Holt STL 0.00 2.06 7

WR TJ Houshmandzadeh CIN 0.00 4.06 5

 

Godzilla

RB Rudi Johnson CIN 0.00 1.09 5

RB Kevin Jones DET 0.00 3.09 8

WR Chad Johnson CIN 0.00 2.04 5

WR Joe Horn NOS 0.00 4.04 7

 

Steagles

QB Peyton Manning IND 0.00 2.05 6

RB LaMont Jordan OAK 0.00 1.08 3

WR Hines Ward PIT 0.00 3.08 4

WR Donald Driver GBP 0.00 4.05 6

 

Da Bears (My team)

QB Carson Palmer CIN 0.00 4.07 5

RB Tiki Barber NYG 0.00 1.06 4

RB Curtis Martin NYJ 0.00 4.10 9

WR Randy Moss OAK 0.00 2.10 3

WR Darrell Jackson SEA 0.00 3.05 5

[football_scooter 0]

Agreed ....so far so good, since my last pick, only 1 RB gone yet (Tinker Bell)

 

1. Too bad - Tinker would have been a great upside pick for you - you need it. Take Dayne on the turn, and be assured the RB on Denver.

 

2. As for the AJ comment, I think this will be an excellent draft to revisit - I think AJ is going to be a great sleeper considering the consensus opinion here and how late he's fallen. 1400/12 is not out of the realm of possibility now that he's got a complimentary receiver.

 

Be interesting to look back and see if you still feel like "good riddance" to AJ at 5.02 - sounds like an absolute steal. Best pick in this draft, IMO.

 

you have 15 more picks to go? Good luck with that...

[Sweetness_34 0]

1. Too bad - Tinker would have been a great upside pick for you - you need it. Take Dayne on the turn, and be assured the RB on Denver.

 

2. As for the AJ comment, I think this will be an excellent draft to revisit - I think AJ is going to be a great sleeper considering the consensus opinion here and how late he's fallen. 1400/12 is not out of the realm of possibility now that he's got a complimentary receiver.

 

Be interesting to look back and see if you still feel like "good riddance" to AJ at 5.02 - sounds like an absolute steal. Best pick in this draft, IMO.

 

you have 15 more picks to go? Good luck with that...

 

That is why I picked Palmer where I did. He would not have lasted until my next pick. Many of these RBs left will still be there and they are all chance factors so I rather spend my 6th on them after getting a stud QB than take that chance early.

 

And getting Tinker and Dayne does NOT mean you get the Denver RB....unless you plan on starting both. Tinker will not see more than 10 carries a game. And Dayne will get the goal line, more like Anderson. Every week u have no clue who will get more points. I had Anderson and Tinker last year......I know

[ratbastard1 0]

That is why I picked Palmer where I did. He would not have lasted until my next pick. Many of these RBs left will still be there and they are all chance factors so I rather spend my 6th on them after getting a stud QB than take that chance early.

 

And getting Tinker and Dayne does NOT mean you get the Denver RB....unless you plan on starting both. Tinker will not see more than 10 carries a game. And Dayne will get the goal line, more like Anderson. Every week u have no clue who will get more points. I had Anderson and Tinker last year......I know

 

But did you own Dayne ever? Bell is going to explode this year.

 

Good luck on the rest of the draft and your team. At this point the arguements are mostly based on what you didnt do.

 

Catch ya on the flip-side!

[Da Bomb 0]

2. As for the AJ comment, I think this will be an excellent draft to revisit - I think AJ is going to be a great sleeper considering the consensus opinion here and how late he's fallen. 1400/12 is not out of the realm of possibility now that he's got a complimentary receiver.

 

Be interesting to look back and see if you still feel like "good riddance" to AJ at 5.02 - sounds like an absolute steal. Best pick in this draft, IMO.

 

you have 15 more picks to go? Good luck with that...

 

1400/12? who are you kidding. last year, david carr threw for 2400 and 14 all season to ALL his receivers. in his career year, the year before, he had 3500/16. and you think this year, hes going to throw 1400 yards to andre johnson with 12 TDs?

 

andre johnson, meanwhile, had less than 700 yards last year and 2 TDs. you think hes going to more than double his yardage and increase his TDs by 10? lets remember, even his career "breakout" season he had 1100/6. youre asking him to break out again by adding 300 yards and doubling his TDs. heck, youre asking him to have as many TDs this season as his entire career.

 

hey, the guy is talented, theres no question about that. but dont just make up asinine numbers and throw them out there. do i like andre johnson? as a player, yes i do. do i think he has upside? absolutely, undeniable. do i think he'd be a good 5th round pick or later at WR? yes, quite so. do i think he has even a 1% chance of 1400/12? snowballs chance in hell.

 

for the record, randy moss has only ever had two such 1400/12 seasons. ditto for owens. the best WR of all time jerry rice had five. last year one guy did it, steve smith, and he had exactly 12 receiving TDs and was by far the #1 WR. the year before one guy did it, muhsin muhammed, and he did it by 5 yards and was again the #1 WR. so basically, you think andre johnson has a good shot at being the #1 WR this year.

 

um... next time, think before you just make up asinine numbers.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Still so far so good.....one more QB and one more WR taken

 

Updated:

 

1.01 LJ

1.02 LT

1.03 Shaun Alexander

1.04 Edge

1.05 Steven Jackson

1.06 Tiki Barber (my pick)

1.07 Portis

1.08 Lamont Jordan

1.09 Rudi Johnson

1.10 Caddy

1.11 Ronnie Brown

1.12 Mcgahee

2.01 Westbrook

2.02 Dom Davis

2.03 Steve Smith

2.04 Chad Johnson

2.05 Peyton Manning

2.06 Torry Holt

2.07 TO

2.08 Fitzgerald

2.09 Harrison

2.10 Randy Moss (my pick after trade down from 2.07 => got up from 3.05=>3.06 & 4.10=>5.06 too)

2.11 Boldin

2.12 Julius Jones

3.01 Antonio Gates

3.02 Reggie Bush

3.03 Reggie Wayne

3.04 Jamal Lewis

3.05 Darrell Jackson (My Pick)

3.06 Chris Chambers

3.07 Chester Taylor (your boy scooter )

3.08 Hines Ward

3.09 Kevin Jones

3.10 Reuben Droughns

3.11 Roy Williams/WR

3.12 Willie Parker

4.01 Warrick Dunn

4.02 Santana Moss

4.03 Plaxico Burress

4.04 Joe Horn

4.05 Donald Driver

4.06 Houshmandzadeh

4.07 Carson Palmer (My Pick)

4.08 Jeremy Shockey

4.09 Javon Walker

4.10 Curtis Martin (My Pick)

4.11 Tony Gonzalez

4.12 Tom Brady

5.01 Tatum Bell

5.02 Andre Johnson

5.03 Todd Heap

5.04 Marc Bulger

5.05 Deion Branch

 

My Next Pick - 6.07 (13 picks later)

 

==================

 

Updated Rosters:

 

Angry Squirrels:

RB LaDainian Tomlinson SDC 0.00 1.02 3

RB Reggie Bush FA 0.00 3.02 0

WR Anquan Boldin ARI 0.00 2.11 9

WR Andre Johnson HOU 0.00 5.02 5

TE Tony Gonzalez KCC 0.00 4.11 3

 

$teelerMike

QB Tom Brady NEP 0.00 5.01 6

RB Larry Johnson KCC 0.00 1.01 3

RB Julius Jones DAL 0.00 2.12 3

TE Antonio Gates SDC 0.00 3.01 3

RB Tatum Bell DEN 0.00 4.12 4

 

Ohio River-Rats

RB Edgerrin James IND 0.00 1.04 6

RB Reuben Droughns CLE 0.00 3.10 6

WR Marvin Harrison IND 0.00 2.09 6

WR Javon Walker GBP 0.00 4.09 6

 

Flying Ostriches (this guy traded out of 1.03 - the Shaun Alexander pick)

RB Willie Parker PIT 0.00 3.12 4

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 0.00 4.01 5

WR Terrell Owens PHI 0.00 2.07 9

WR Larry Fitzgerald ARI 0.00 2.08 9

WR Chris Chambers MIA 0.00 3.06 8

TE Todd Heap BAL 0.00 5.03 7

 

Prairie Oysters

QB Marc Bulger STL 0.00 5.04 7

RB Carnell Williams TBB 0.00 1.10 4

RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0.00 3.04 7

WR Steve Smith CAR 0.00 2.03 9

WR Plaxico Burress NYG 0.00 4.03 4

 

Keyser Soze

RB Ronnie Brown MIA 0.00 1.11 8

RB Domanick Davis HOU 0.00 2.02 5

WR Roy Williams DET 0.00 3.11 8

WR Santana Moss WAS 0.00 4.02 8

 

BerthaC (this guy traded up for 1.03 by giving up the 2/3/4 rounders)

RB Shaun Alexander SEA 0.00 1.03 5

RB Steven Jackson STL 0.00 1.05 7

WR Deion Branch NEP 0.00 5.05 6

 

Vipers

RB Willis McGahee BUF 0.00 1.12 8

RB Brian Westbrook PHI 0.00 2.01 9

WR Reggie Wayne IND 0.00 3.03 6

TE Jeremy Shockey NYG 0.00 4.08 4

 

Feisty Ferrets

RB Clinton Portis WAS 0.00 1.07 8

RB Chester Taylor BAL 0.00 3.07 7

WR Torry Holt STL 0.00 2.06 7

WR TJ Houshmandzadeh CIN 0.00 4.06 5

 

Godzilla

RB Rudi Johnson CIN 0.00 1.09 5

RB Kevin Jones DET 0.00 3.09 8

WR Chad Johnson CIN 0.00 2.04 5

WR Joe Horn NOS 0.00 4.04 7

 

Steagles

QB Peyton Manning IND 0.00 2.05 6

RB LaMont Jordan OAK 0.00 1.08 3

WR Hines Ward PIT 0.00 3.08 4

WR Donald Driver GBP 0.00 4.05 6

 

Da Bears (My team)

QB Carson Palmer CIN 0.00 4.07 5

RB Tiki Barber NYG 0.00 1.06 4

RB Curtis Martin NYJ 0.00 4.10 9

WR Randy Moss OAK 0.00 2.10 3

WR Darrell Jackson SEA 0.00 3.05 5

[football_scooter 0]

1400/12? who are you kidding. last year, david carr threw for 2400 and 14 all season to ALL his receivers. in his career year, the year before, he had 3500/16. and you think this year, hes going to throw 1400 yards to andre johnson with 12 TDs?

 

andre johnson, meanwhile, had less than 700 yards last year and 2 TDs. you think hes going to more than double his yardage and increase his TDs by 10? lets remember, even his career "breakout" season he had 1100/6. youre asking him to break out again by adding 300 yards and doubling his TDs. heck, youre asking him to have as many TDs this season as his entire career.

 

hey, the guy is talented, theres no question about that. but dont just make up asinine numbers and throw them out there. do i like andre johnson? as a player, yes i do. do i think he has upside? absolutely, undeniable. do i think he'd be a good 5th round pick or later at WR? yes, quite so. do i think he has even a 1% chance of 1400/12? snowballs chance in hell.

 

for the record, randy moss has only ever had two such 1400/12 seasons. ditto for owens. the best WR of all time jerry rice had five. last year one guy did it, steve smith, and he had exactly 12 receiving TDs and was by far the #1 WR. the year before one guy did it, muhsin muhammed, and he did it by 5 yards and was again the #1 WR. so basically, you think andre johnson has a good shot at being the #1 WR this year.

 

um... next time, think before you just make up asinine numbers.

 

I said "it wasn't out of the realm of possibility" - meaning that's his UPSIDE and TALENT.

 

I did not say that was my projection for him.

 

Next time learn a little comprehension before you go ripping me for me post in an assinine manner.

[Sweetness_34 0]

I said "it wasn't out of the realm of possibility" - meaning that's his UPSIDE and TALENT.

 

I did not say that was my projection for him.

 

Next time learn a little comprehension before you go ripping me for me post in an assinine manner.

 

Sorry scooter but it is COMPLETELY out of his realm of possibility too. I can find WRs 2 rounds later (Terry Glenn, Keenan McCardell, Rod Smith, Muhsin M etc) who will have very similar #s to AJ.

[Da Bomb 0]

I said "it wasn't out of the realm of possibility" - meaning that's his UPSIDE and TALENT.

 

I did not say that was my projection for him.

 

Next time learn a little comprehension before you go ripping me for me post in an assinine manner.

 

well in that case, curtis martin was a pretty ridiculous steal. we already know what his upside is, and its pretty dang good. lets put him down for an UPSIDE and TALENT level of...

 

1700 yards rushing, 14 rush TDs, 70 catches, 500 receiving yards, and 3 receiving TDs

 

hes already hit all those numbers at least once in his career, so its pretty obvious upside. that would have to put him among the steals of the draft with that UPSIDE and TALENT. i mean, it might not be my projection for him, but it certainly isnt out of the realm of possibility now, is it?

[Da Bomb 0]

to be fair... i didnt really follow your system. if i follow your system where you add 300 yards to their previous career high, and then figure they'll get as many TDs this season as they have in their entire career, then curtis martin's new TALENT and UPSIDE levels look like this:

 

1997 rushing yards, 100 TDs

 

sucks to get that close to 2000 and not quite make it, but i bet sweetness will take it.

[Sweetness_34 0]

Keep up the banter folks but make sure it is fun and spirited

 

Here are the #s (facts):

 

Curtis Martin

 

Rushing

 

Year Team G GS Att Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ FD

1995 New England Patriots 16 15 368 1487 4.0 49 14 11 80

1996 New England Patriots 16 15 316 1152 3.6 57 14 3 76

1997 New England Patriots 13 13 274 1160 4.2 70 4 8 46

1998 New York Jets 15 15 369 1287 3.5 60 8 2 69

1999 New York Jets 16 16 367 1464 4.0 50 5 9 84

2000 New York Jets 16 16 316 1204 3.8 55 9 8 61

2001 New York Jets 16 16 333 1513 4.5 47 10 9 77

2002 New York Jets 16 16 261 1094 4.2 35 7 5 54

2003 New York Jets 16 16 323 1308 4.0 56 2 5 53

2004 New York Jets 16 16 371 1697 4.6 25 12 7 90

2005 New York Jets 12 12 220 735 3.3 49 5 4 35

 

Receiving

 

Year Team G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD

1995 New England Patriots 16 15 30 261 8.7 27 1 5 0 9

1996 New England Patriots 16 15 46 333 7.2 41 3 5 1 15

1997 New England Patriots 13 13 41 296 7.2 22 1 2 0 12

1998 New York Jets 15 15 43 365 8.5 23 1 4 0 17

1999 New York Jets 16 16 45 259 5.8 34 0 1 0 9

2000 New York Jets 16 16 70 508 7.3 31 2 1 0 24

2001 New York Jets 16 16 53 320 6.0 27 0 3 0 13

2002 New York Jets 16 16 49 362 7.4 28 0 2 0 17

2003 New York Jets 16 16 42 262 6.2 29 0 1 0 9

2004 New York Jets 16 16 41 245 6.0 22 2 1 0 12

2005 New York Jets 12 12 24 118 4.9 14 0 0 0 3

 

Andre Johnson

 

Receiving

 

Year Team G GS No Yards Avg Lg TD 20+ 40+ FD

2003 Houston Texans 16 16 66 976 14.8 46 4 14 4 45

2004 Houston Texans 16 16 79 1142 14.5 54 6 18 3 53

2005 Houston Texans 13 13 63 688 10.9 53 2 4 1 40

 

Curtis had 70 receptions one year, while AJ's average # of catches for 3 years is less than 70, so I guess if we take the UPSIDE with Curtis, he makes more catches than a WR (JUST KIDDING FOLKS SO RELAX)

[Da Bomb 0]

wait, so the one dude had no picks for four rounds, and he came up swingin with deion branch?

 

anyway, back to your team. what are you thinking of trying to do here coming up? i think with the RBs slipping now, you could definitely try to trade up and try to grab a pair. what are your thoughts on any of the following...

 

chicago RBs?

ahman green?

carolina RBs?

deuce mcallister?

new england RBs?

indy RBs?

 

that seems to be y our top options. seems to me that if you could find a way to lock down both indy RBs, that would be sick as a backup duo. my next option would likely be the carolina duo. what are you thinking right now?

[Sweetness_34 0]

wait, so the one dude had no picks for four rounds, and he came up swingin with deion branch?

 

anyway, back to your team. what are you thinking of trying to do here coming up? i think with the RBs slipping now, you could definitely try to trade up and try to grab a pair. what are your thoughts on any of the following...

 

chicago RBs?

ahman green?

carolina RBs?

deuce mcallister?

new england RBs?

indy RBs?

 

that seems to be y our top options. seems to me that if you could find a way to lock down both indy RBs, that would be sick as a backup duo. my next option would likely be the carolina duo. what are you thinking right now?

 

I am thinking of doign exactly that but I want to wait until the 6th round for the trade so that my picks are close to each other.

 

THis other guy who only has 1 RB (Jordan) just traded up to the 5th (gave up his 6/7/8), so he 2 5th rounders now.....I am sure he is targetting a RBBC duo like Dillon/Maroney or JOnes/Benson or DeAngelo/Foster or Addai/Rhodes. Once he gets done with his, I will look to make a move.

 

Still 4 RBBC duos left, all of them on teams with great running pedigree.

 

Worse case contingency - Chris Brown/Lendale White; Ahman Green; Fred Taylor

[Sweetness_34 0]

This guy with 1 RB just traded up (like I knew he would), and picked up Benson. I am sure he will pick TJ with the pick one after this that he also has. 3 more RBBCs to go and this guy was the only other one who needed RBs.

 

Updated:

 

1.01 LJ

1.02 LT

1.03 Shaun Alexander

1.04 Edge

1.05 Steven Jackson

1.06 Tiki Barber (my pick)

1.07 Portis

1.08 Lamont Jordan

1.09 Rudi Johnson

1.10 Caddy

1.11 Ronnie Brown

1.12 Mcgahee

2.01 Westbrook

2.02 Dom Davis

2.03 Steve Smith

2.04 Chad Johnson

2.05 Peyton Manning

2.06 Torry Holt

2.07 TO

2.08 Fitzgerald

2.09 Harrison

2.10 Randy Moss (my pick after trade down from 2.07 => got up from 3.05=>3.06 & 4.10=>5.06 too)

2.11 Boldin

2.12 Julius Jones

3.01 Antonio Gates

3.02 Reggie Bush

3.03 Reggie Wayne

3.04 Jamal Lewis

3.05 Darrell Jackson (My Pick)

3.06 Chris Chambers

3.07 Chester Taylor (your boy scooter )

3.08 Hines Ward

3.09 Kevin Jones

3.10 Reuben Droughns

3.11 Roy Williams/WR

3.12 Willie Parker

4.01 Warrick Dunn

4.02 Santana Moss

4.03 Plaxico Burress

4.04 Joe Horn

4.05 Donald Driver

4.06 Houshmandzadeh

4.07 Carson Palmer (My Pick)

4.08 Jeremy Shockey

4.09 Javon Walker

4.10 Curtis Martin (My Pick)

4.11 Tony Gonzalez

4.12 Tom Brady

5.01 Tatum Bell

5.02 Andre Johnson

5.03 Todd Heap

5.04 Marc Bulger

5.05 Deion Branch

5.06 Cedric Benson

 

My Next Pick - 6.07 (12 picks later)

 

==================

 

Updated Rosters:

 

Angry Squirrels:

RB LaDainian Tomlinson SDC 0.00 1.02 3

RB Reggie Bush FA 0.00 3.02 0

WR Anquan Boldin ARI 0.00 2.11 9

WR Andre Johnson HOU 0.00 5.02 5

TE Tony Gonzalez KCC 0.00 4.11 3

 

$teelerMike

QB Tom Brady NEP 0.00 5.01 6

RB Larry Johnson KCC 0.00 1.01 3

RB Julius Jones DAL 0.00 2.12 3

TE Antonio Gates SDC 0.00 3.01 3

RB Tatum Bell DEN 0.00 4.12 4

 

Ohio River-Rats

RB Edgerrin James IND 0.00 1.04 6

RB Reuben Droughns CLE 0.00 3.10 6

WR Marvin Harrison IND 0.00 2.09 6

WR Javon Walker GBP 0.00 4.09 6

 

Flying Ostriches (this guy traded out of 1.03 - the Shaun Alexander pick)

RB Willie Parker PIT 0.00 3.12 4

RB Warrick Dunn ATL 0.00 4.01 5

WR Terrell Owens PHI 0.00 2.07 9

WR Larry Fitzgerald ARI 0.00 2.08 9

WR Chris Chambers MIA 0.00 3.06 8

TE Todd Heap BAL 0.00 5.03 7

 

Prairie Oysters

QB Marc Bulger STL 0.00 5.04 7

RB Carnell Williams TBB 0.00 1.10 4

RB Jamal Lewis BAL 0.00 3.04 7

WR Steve Smith CAR 0.00 2.03 9

WR Plaxico Burress NYG 0.00 4.03 4

 

Keyser Soze

RB Ronnie Brown MIA 0.00 1.11 8

RB Domanick Davis HOU 0.00 2.02 5

WR Roy Williams DET 0.00 3.11 8

WR Santana Moss WAS 0.00 4.02 8

 

BerthaC (this guy traded up for 1.03 by giving up the 2/3/4 rounders)

RB Shaun Alexander SEA 0.00 1.03 5

RB Steven Jackson STL 0.00 1.05 7

WR Deion Branch NEP 0.00 5.05 6

 

Vipers

RB Willis McGahee BUF 0.00 1.12 8

RB Brian Westbrook PHI 0.00 2.01 9

WR Reggie Wayne IND 0.00 3.03 6

TE Jeremy Shockey NYG 0.00 4.08 4

 

Feisty Ferrets

RB Clinton Portis WAS 0.00 1.07 8

RB Chester Taylor BAL 0.00 3.07 7

WR Torry Holt STL 0.00 2.06 7

WR TJ Houshmandzadeh CIN 0.00 4.06 5

 

Godzilla

RB Rudi Johnson CIN 0.00 1.09 5

RB Kevin Jones DET 0.00 3.09 8

WR Chad Johnson CIN 0.00 2.04 5

WR Joe Horn NOS 0.00 4.04 7

 

Steagles

QB Peyton Manning IND 0.00 2.05 6

RB LaMont Jordan OAK 0.00 1.08 3

WR Hines Ward PIT 0.00 3.08 4

WR Donald Driver GBP 0.00 4.05 6

RB Cedric Benson CHI 0.00 5.06 7

 

Da Bears (My team)

QB Carson Palmer CIN 0.00 4.07 5

RB Tiki Barber NYG 0.00 1.06 4

RB Curtis Martin NYJ 0.00 4.10 9

WR Randy Moss OAK 0.00 2.10 3

WR Darrell Jackson SEA 0.00 3.05 5