hipcheck 0 Posted June 16, 2006 After all these years, what is your method of madness ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted June 16, 2006 Poll doesn't fit. I would have to say "Stud RB" I want 3 Rbs's in the 1st 4 rounds, 5 at the latest. I target all the Qb's I would consider as a 1, or 2, by round. If they are there, I grab them. I target a #1 Te in the same manner. The targeting of both TE and QB, usually rules many of them out for me. I fill in with the glut of Wr's, usually grabbing my #1 in the 2nd or 3rd round. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigGuy 0 Posted June 16, 2006 I target all the Qb's I would consider as a 1, or 2, by round. If they are there, I grab them. Would you elaborate on this? What do you mean 1 0r 2 by round? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
remote controller 143 Posted June 16, 2006 Would you elaborate on this? What do you mean 1 0r 2 by round? My #1 and #2 Qb's. I know I will never get Peyton with this target, but I have it set at 1.05 this season. He fell to there in the June Mock on this site however. I have McNabb targeted for 4.08. I got him in the June Mock there. That put me in rare air, as I never usually take a Qb till at least round 6 or 7. Normally a my targets are set to stiff. This year I set a target for Favre for the 9th round, and he fell to me. Of Course you set these targets after you find out your draft slot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hipcheck 0 Posted June 17, 2006 Thanks for the responses & votes fellas. Surprised someone isn't defending VBD or TIERS.... oh well. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trojan35 0 Posted June 17, 2006 None of the above systems take into account predicting who other people will draft. Take VBD and compare not vs. the other players you could draft at that position,... but VBD of your next 5 picks vs. VBD of your 5 picks if you drafted someone else. Not easy to do, but that's the "best" way to draft. After all, If you are debating between taking your #1 RB or #1 WR that you have rated equally, it's a tough choice. But let's say your estimate is that if you take your #1 RB you could still get your #2 WR in the 2nd round, but if you take your #1 WR you would only get your #8 RB in the 2nd round, maybe it's a little more clear. And this is why the "Stud RB" theory usually works--because who others will draft after you is important in who you draft now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigGuy 0 Posted June 17, 2006 And this is why the "Stud RB" theory usually works--because who others will draft after you is important in who you draft now. Would someone explain VBD? Also, how is the Stud RB approach affected in IDP drafts? Thanks. I'm hooked, and am trying to catch up. Scott Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdubz 0 Posted June 17, 2006 there really isn't one strategy i think. for me, i just go by situation. a lot of stuff effects what i do like who's on my team so far (and what positions), who's left at each position, what kind of people are drafting before behind me, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cblue 0 Posted June 17, 2006 I usually draft rb/rb/wr. As far as qb goes I generally try to be one of the last to draft a #1qb, which means I'm picking one in the 6 ot 7 round. I'm also one of the last to select a kicker. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gatorbait7391 0 Posted June 18, 2006 there really isn't one strategy i think. for me, i just go by situation. a lot of stuff effects what i do like who's on my team so far (and what positions), who's left at each position, what kind of people are drafting before behind me, etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
uubeee 0 Posted June 18, 2006 As always, it depends on the scoring system. If a WR gets 1 pt/rec, it changes my view. If it's IDP and a tackle is worth 2 pts, it changes my view. If a QB gets 6 pts/TD, it changes my view. If it's dynasty or redraft, it changes my view. No one system works for every league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mgs316 14 Posted June 18, 2006 Best available but it all depends on where I am drafting; first, last middle, etc. 1st two rounds, best available player, usually a top rb first, then 1st tier WR in the second. Unless I'm way at the backend of the first round, then maybe rb, rb to be set there. Then it's a rb, rb in round 3 and 4, but then again it depends on some factors. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nichee 0 Posted June 18, 2006 I don't have a system so much as I have rules to draft by: 1. Know your scoring system inside and out. Is there anything in it that changes the values of players? Do you give points for receptions? Do you give points for rushing attempts? Things like that that could shift values. 2. Understand the perceived value of players as it relates to your scoring system. Are there guys you can get a round or two later who will score on par with players at their position selected earlier because of your rules. If so, that's great value, target them. Also, are there players who are perceived as first or second round talent (because all of the Web sites rank him high) who won't live up to it because of your system? Avoid them. 3. It's a fine line of balancing rules 1 and 2 with your roster requirements, but don't "get trapped." If you hear someone saying, "I have to take a running back here" or "I need to get a receiver here" what they're really admitting is "I know there is better value on the board but I've backed myself into a corner and have no alternatives but to take this guy I don't really want." That's no way to build a championship team. 4. Talk to the members of your league leading up to and before the draft to gather info. You're not looking for info on players, you know the players better than they do probably. But you might get tidbits like, "I'm definitely going RB-RB this year" or "This year, I want a QB I can rely on." Store this info away. It may come in handy. 5. Be flexible. On a sidenote, some people say not to drink during the draft. To each his own on ths one, but I always do. Not enough to affect my decisions. But draft day is one of the most fun days of the year, and I'm going to have a couple of frosty-ones while I build my kick-ass squad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmswim03 0 Posted June 18, 2006 A combination of BPA and Tiering works okay for me. However, the best way is to stop playing in beginner leagues where a monkey with a cheatsheet can draft a decent team, and join an auction league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unckeyherb 2 Posted June 18, 2006 4. Talk to the members of your league leading up to and before the draft to gather info.You're not looking for info on players, you know the players better than they do probably. But you might get tidbits like, "I'm definitely going RB-RB this year" or "This year, I want a QB I can rely on." Store this info away. It may come in handy. This IMO is huge. Knowing your competition is possibly the biggest draft day tool you can use. If you play in a relatively competetive league, everyone has good draft day cheat sheets and knows who they want to take. But knowing what they need/if they are a Homer/do they not subscribe to beefing up on RBs/etc, will help BIG TIME. My league is a two-person keeper, and there are a few guys in my division that have questionable keepers. One guy has Moss and Chambers. His RB's are comprised of Priest and Chris Brown. I can figure on him keeping the two stud WR's and based on that, I know that he will be targeting RB's in the first three rounds (probably). That is huge for me because he is one spot ahead of me on draft day. So with that info, I can get a better idea of who is going to fall to me. Where most people will be keeping 2 RB's and targeting a stud WR in the first round, I know that there are 2-3 people in front of me that can't do that based on their keepers. I also try to talk FF when we all go out to the bar. Its fun to talk about and you can keep tabs on who plans on doing what, how they feel about certain players etc. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steelerblitz 0 Posted June 18, 2006 A combination of BPA and Tiering works okay for me. However, the best way is to stop playing in beginner leagues where a monkey with a cheatsheet can draft a decent team, and join an auction league. While I agree with you that auction leagues definitely separate the men from boys, its still fun to do a serpentine draft as well. I like auctions because you can go after any player that you covet. Even a monkey can get lucky in an auction as well. My leagues are all different: 1. redraft serpentine 2. keeper league 3. auction keeper 4. dynasty league Its fun to challenge yourself in different types. Now back to topic...as many have said, my theory changes with the scoring in my different leagues. Number one, know your scoring. Pts per reception leagues make wrs on a more level playing field with the rbs. 6 pts for passing tds...levels the qbs more. TE no TE affects drafting....etc..etc.. Go in with a plan based on your draft position, scoring, and dont be afraid to adapt your strategy. Players will fall and players will go earlier than expected. Ive used tiering, VBD, stud rb theory. I find myself always usually going stud rb theory because that is when Im successful, but Im not afraid to change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
texasmouth 1 Posted June 18, 2006 To me it depends on the way the draft falls. I am picking 1.09 so it depends on who falls to me. It also depends on the league I am in. If it is a keeper, dynasty or redraft and if it is PPR or not. I usually stick with the stud RB theory. Then two WR, then QB, Then RB, Then TE. Kicker and Defense I usually wait until I am set at RB/WR first. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Savage Beast 1 Posted June 18, 2006 I just show up and draft. There are busts in every single round of a fantasy draft due to injuries and poor performances from some of the good fantasy players from the past. The best team "on paper" after your league's draft, may turn out to be the worse at the end of the season. You have to set higher and lower rankings on players, but who knows how the rankings will play out during the season? We like to think that we have enough skill to draft a winning fantasy team, but in the end it comes down to lucky waiver wire moves, lucky matchups, and no bad injuries to your stud fantasy team players. Elaborate cheat sheets and reading every single fantasy football magazine and message board opinion out there is fun, but useless in the end. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FlaHawker 24 Posted June 18, 2006 I just show up and draft. There are busts in every single round of a fantasy draft due to injuries and poor performances from some of the good fantasy players from the past. The best team "on paper" after your league's draft, may turn out to be the worse at the end of the season. You have to set higher and lower rankings on players, but who knows how the rankings will play out during the season? We like to think that we have enough skill to draft a winning fantasy team, but in the end it comes down to lucky waiver wire moves, lucky matchups, and no bad injuries to your stud fantasy team players. Elaborate cheat sheets and reading every single fantasy football magazine and message board opinion out there is fun, but useless in the end. You are exactly right. I had two fantsy teams last year. here are the starting lineups: Team # 1: QB- Carson Palmer (RD 7) RB- Willis McGahee (RD 1) RB- Brain Westbrook (RD 2) WR DJax (RD 4) WR- Chad Johnson (RD 3) TE- Jason Witten (RD 5) K- Shayne Graham (FA pick up) D- Bears (RD 13) Team #2: QB- Brett Favre (RD 7) RB- Willis McGahee (RD 1) RB- Jamal Lewis (RD 2) WR- Andre Johnson (RD 3) WR- Michale Clayton (RD 4) TE- Randy McMichael (RD 6) K- Neil Rackers (FA pick up) D- Seahawks/Redskins (both FA pick ups) team # 2 won the championship because of working the waiver wire. the darft is fun but ven if you do have a strategy luck plays a huge role. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ellisonb11 0 Posted June 18, 2006 Team #2: QB- Brett Favre (RD 7) RB- Willis McGahee (RD 1) RB- Jamal Lewis (RD 2) WR- Andre Johnson (RD 3) WR- Michale Clayton (RD 4) TE- Randy McMichael (RD 6) K- Neil Rackers (FA pick up) D- Seahawks/Redskins (both FA pick ups) team # 2 won the championship because of working the waiver wire. the darft is fun but ven if you do have a strategy luck plays a huge role. luck does definitely affect ur draft. u have to take it as it comes i believe, but i have players on my radar, and the rounds that i want to draft a certain position. luck certainly had to help u with team #2. i mean, geez, talk about rounds 1-4 being busts. u must have been playing with rooks or something. i tip my hat to u for winning with that squad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NOSRAC247 0 Posted June 18, 2006 I mix all 4 strategies together, who doesn't? You pick the best available guy for your team. Taking into account all the stats for each player, and projections fopr the year. I think everything comes down to a "gut" pick, sometime you're right, and sometimes you're wrong Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nichee 0 Posted June 18, 2006 The luck factor? I don’t deny it exists or how strongly it can affect your team but I take a different stance on it. It’s funny on how the same owners in my leagues kept getting lucky every year. We’re not lucky. We know what were doing. We draft completely optimized teams based on rounds and values and other factors. My thinking is I have prepared well and have built a playoff team. Only BAD luck will prevent that. Meanwhile, some of the other teams with picks that make you shake your head are depending on GOOD luck to compete with the better rosters in the league. You might have a year where it all goes wrong and someone randomly calling out players strikes it rich, but if you look at won-loss records over a 5 or 10 year period, there’s nothing lucky about it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites