jkole16 0 Posted July 23, 2006 The past two years ive been completely wrong about tiki....i always fear that he is gonna fall apart, score no tds n catch fumblitis again....i have the 6th pick this year n he is probably gonna be available, i hate to be the one to pick him but i may have to.....what u guys think....is this the year his production drops? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monk 1 Posted July 23, 2006 The past two years ive been completely wrong about tiki....i always fear that he is gonna fall apart, score no tds n catch fumblitis again....i have the 6th pick this year n he is probably gonna be available, i hate to be the one to pick him but i may have to.....what u guys think....is this the year his production drops? I am a huge Giant Fan but I can't bring myself to pick a 31+ year old RB coming off of a 350 carry season that high. Look what happened Cmart last year (although he was 1 year older than tiki is now) He was coming off arguably his best season and a carreer high 370 att. Tiki is also coming off arguably his best season and a career hig 350 att. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jkole16 0 Posted July 23, 2006 I am a huge Giant Fan but I can't bring myself to pick a 31+ year old RB coming off of a 350 carry season that high. Look what happened Cmart last year (although he was 1 year older than tiki is now) He was coming off arguably his best season and a carreer high 370 att. Tiki is also coming off arguably his best season and a career hig 350 att. cant agree with u more, its basically like is this the year his body breaks down.....im praying that the 5th pick is him so i can grab up edge.....i think i would be forced to scoop up sjax over tiki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esoitl 0 Posted July 23, 2006 I am a huge Giant Fan but I can't bring myself to pick a 31+ year old RB coming off of a 350 carry season that high. Look what happened Cmart last year (although he was 1 year older than tiki is now) He was coming off arguably his best season and a carreer high 370 att. Tiki is also coming off arguably his best season and a career hig 350 att. i'll disagree with the CMart point Tiki is still playing on a capable team with an OL and QB to work with not to mention the plkayers around him in Shockey and Plax(although i've never been impressed with his blocking) compare this to Pennington/Fiedler/Bollinger/Vinny, Chris Baker, Coles and no OL i chalk CMarts injury up to a chance strike of the injury bug although at that point there is a bit of concern with wear what i say will may Tiki fail is the vulturing from Jacobs and the bettered play of Manning they did show willingness to throw around the GL last year and with Shockey that is a nice choice Jacobs was given a lot of opportunities and even though he didn't make the most of them he was still given more. i think the willingness of COughlin to keep giving it to him, even after fumbling and not being productive can only mean that he will again get those chances this year and more not too too concerned about injury since that is often randomness and i think he's over the fumbling but what reallly scares me here is just the team in general and the role that he will be playing Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raider 84 29 Posted July 23, 2006 He is going to have another great season. I hope they reduce his work load so he doesn't become the next Martin. Hopefully Eli will get more opportunities and reduce Barber's workload. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted July 23, 2006 You guys have a very short memory, Tiki dominated the 2nd half of the season. Go ahead and go with the trendy picks with new coaches/teams like Sjax and Edge and ignore the proven stud returning to the 3rd ranked scoring offense in the league last year. No new QB, no coaching change, same starting lineup (I think). Go ahead and ignore the 2nd highest combined yardage one year total in the HISTORY of the NFL. 2 out of the last 3 weeks of the season when an old geezer should be wearing down, he rushes for over 200 yards in the game. Yeah, he is about ready to retire. Oh yeah and besides last year, he was the 2nd best fantasy back in 2004..........keep doubting him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ER MAN 0 Posted July 23, 2006 I had Barber on my team last season as I paid $50 for him in our 12 team auction draft, which I thought was too high and he responded to have a great season. What concerns me this year is not only is he another year older, but their schedule is tied for the toughest in the NFL along with the Bengals. I think he'll have a good year but to expect last year's numbers is a little unrealitisic to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
duaneok66 0 Posted July 23, 2006 2 out of the last 3 weeks of the season when an old geezer should be wearing down, he rushes for over 200 yards in the game. was the end of the 2005 season last week??? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted July 23, 2006 was the end of the 2005 season last week??? Ummmm....what the heck does that question mean? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carwash 0 Posted July 23, 2006 I am a huge Giant Fan but I can't bring myself to pick a 31+ year old RB coming off of a 350 carry season that high. Look what happened Cmart last year (although he was 1 year older than tiki is now) He was coming off arguably his best season and a carreer high 370 att. Tiki is also coming off arguably his best season and a career hig 350 att. Tiki's carreer 1890carries 8787yds 4.6per 50tds C-mart 3518carries 14101yds 4.0per 90tds big difference imo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
esoitl 0 Posted July 23, 2006 Tiki's carreer 1890carries 8787yds 4.6per 50tds C-mart 3518carries 14101yds 4.0per 90tds big difference imo yeah you're, right Tiki does suck Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mack 1 6 Posted July 23, 2006 For some reason, I've never been a fan of Tiki from a ff perspective. I don't know what it is about his play I don't like; I'm glad, though, that I have the #3 pick and don't have to concern myself with picking him. If I had to use a top 5 pick on him, however, I'd be more concerned about him losing GL carries than the mileage he has on his body. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
monk 1 Posted July 23, 2006 Tiki's carreer 1890carries 8787yds 4.6per 50tds C-mart 3518carries 14101yds 4.0per 90tds big difference imo I agree that there are some big differences ... Tiki has less mileage and the Giants are a much better team than the Jets. The concern is the Age (used to be 30 was the beggining of the end for RBs) That number seems to be more like 31 or 32 these days. Tiki will be over 31 this season. I've seen posts and articles in the past regarding RBs coming off of 350-370 carry seasons and having huge performance declines the following season. I can't seem to find anything right now. These things combined would make me worry about using a top 5 on Tiki. I could definitely be wrong but I wouldn't take the chance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIKI-BARBERS-BARBER 0 Posted July 23, 2006 Amazing how dumb owners come up with a different excuse every year to pass on this stud rb. Did you know that Tiki is the only starting rb in the league that hasn't missed a game in 4 seasons? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ER MAN 0 Posted July 23, 2006 The past two years ive been completely wrong about tiki....i always fear that he is gonna fall apart, score no tds n catch fumblitis again....i have the 6th pick this year n he is probably gonna be available, i hate to be the one to pick him but i may have to.....what u guys think....is this the year his production drops? I believe his numbers will drop due to the fact their schedule is nasty. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carwash 0 Posted July 23, 2006 I believe his numbers will drop due to the fact their schedule is nasty. I would expect his numbers to drop too due to the fact he was ridiculous last year. He will still be tops in the league in total yards. Tiki and Shaun have been the most consistant backs in the NFL for YEARS, people are finally jumpin on Shaun's johnson, what's does Tiki need to do...walk on water. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
qimqam 1 Posted July 23, 2006 Amazing how dumb owners come up with a different excuse every year to pass on this stud rb. Did you know that Tiki is the only starting rb in the league that hasn't missed a game in 4 seasons? Up until last year Curtis Martin hadn't missed a game in 6 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
murf74 461 Posted July 24, 2006 Up until last year Curtis Martin hadn't missed a game in 6 years. And maybe those 1,600 extra carries have something to do with that...That amount of carries equates to about another 5 years of wear and tear. Seriously though, what does Tiki have to do to get his credibility? If anyone else in the league put up the numbers he has had the last 2 years he would be a top 4 pick without any question at all. This age thing is getting downright stupid. He finished last year stronger at the end of the year than the beginning of the year. How can so many people ignore the two 200 yard rushing games over the last 3 weeks of last season. If you are old and worn down you just don't do that late in the season. How can so many people ignore the 2nd most overall 1 season yardage total in NFL history? And isn't this the 2nd straight season he lead the league in yardage? And people want to say the reason they won't pick him is cause he can't possibly do that again. But they don't say the same about SA's record year. And people won't pick him cause of goalline vulturing, yet this happened all last year and Tiki still finished about 3rd or 4th in most league's RB scoring. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onejayhawk 3 Posted July 24, 2006 I'm on the jittery bandwagon. Its a rare player that can do 400 touches and come back at the same level. See, for example, Marshal Faulk and Priest Holmes. Earl Campbell was used up in 4 years, and he was a lot bigger. No one disputes the talent, but that much work will break anyone eventually. The question is when will the first serious injury occur. J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cowboy918 0 Posted July 24, 2006 The past two years ive been completely wrong about tiki....i always fear that he is gonna fall apart, score no tds n catch fumblitis again....i have the 6th pick this year n he is probably gonna be available, i hate to be the one to pick him but i may have to.....what u guys think....is this the year his production drops? STUD again, no reason to think otherwise, the guy is legit but we simply don't want to accept him as such. He produces year in and year out and barring injury he is here to stay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BostonRedSox 0 Posted July 24, 2006 there is only one player to consider if you dont pick tiki and that is portis. any other back is ridiculous...especially ppr leagues. unproven guys like lamont jordan or steven jackson or ronnie brown or caddy? tiki is way out of their league. i get the #4 pick this year and i will take tiki over portis...both are center peices of offense but i like the NYG offense much better. i am not too worried about jacobs...tiki makes up for that in ppr leagues and all the yardage he picks up. that's my two cents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keeptwo 0 Posted July 24, 2006 who knows tiki better than his barber?sure tiki chilled a bit in '03,then ripped it up at the start of '04 till a new qb was put in to quickly learn the offense.'05 he and eli were on the same page and this season ,even with that schedule,i'm sure the two of them are looking beyond the playoffs-thus tiki will be gold Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ras66not99 0 Posted July 24, 2006 You guys have a very short memory, Tiki dominated the 2nd half of the season. Go ahead and go with the trendy picks with new coaches/teams like Sjax and Edge and ignore the proven stud returning to the 3rd ranked scoring offense in the league last year. No new QB, no coaching change, same starting lineup (I think). Go ahead and ignore the 2nd highest combined yardage one year total in the HISTORY of the NFL. 2 out of the last 3 weeks of the season when an old geezer should be wearing down, he rushes for over 200 yards in the game. Yeah, he is about ready to retire. Oh yeah and besides last year, he was the 2nd best fantasy back in 2004..........keep doubting him I hate the guy (as you can see below he ended my season last year) but you're dead on balls correct...... Coughlin is gonna ride him into the ground and he'll continue to put up monster numbers (obviously barring injury) .... I'm looking to gather up any players on teams that had no type of major change this off-season (coach, QB, Coordinators, big named starters, etc...) theres isn't too many teams that fit the bill, but the Giants and Tiki fit the bill..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
onejayhawk 3 Posted July 24, 2006 I hate the guy (as you can see below he ended my season last year) but you're dead on balls correct...... Coughlin is gonna ride him into the ground and he'll continue to put up monster numbers (obviously barring injury) .... I'm looking to gather up any players on teams that had no type of major change this off-season (coach, QB, Coordinators, big named starters, etc...) theres isn't too many teams that fit the bill, but the Giants and Tiki fit the bill..... The "barring injury" is the point, and where Priest and Faulk are relevant. A lot of players can be monsters if they can play, but they cant. J Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-jb- 0 Posted July 24, 2006 ...im praying that the 5th pick is him so i can grab up edge... have a look at this before you assume that's the right decision to make: Edge 2,188 attempts 16 games missed in career Tiki 1,889 attempts 6 games missed in career Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ajmplaya69 0 Posted July 24, 2006 Every great RB breaks down eventually, and it is no strange coincidence it happens to be around the age of 30-32. Tiki has been pounded the past 4 seasons and lets not forget his small body frame. Also, Jacobs was bad at short yardage situations so its only a matter of time till he gets better and steals more TD's. Furthermore, Tiki had a ridiculously easy sched last season. This year will be tougher with two matchups vs a Philly D-line revamped, no NFC west opponents,etc. A guy like Lamont has a bit less risk due to his age and new offensive system emphasizing a power running attack. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ras66not99 0 Posted July 24, 2006 The "barring injury" is the point, and where Priest and Faulk are relevant. A lot of players can be monsters if they can play, but they cant. J I was reffering to losing carries (not getting the full workload) Brandon Jacobs stealing Td's, etc.... the other junk people have questions about... obviously there's always a chance a guy is going to get hurt NO MATTER WHO HE IS, injury prone or not... tough to repeat a monster season like that, not many have ever done it, but Coughlin will give him his chance you better believe that... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roroco 75 Posted July 24, 2006 have a look at this before you assume that's the right decision to make: Edge 2,188 attempts 16 games missed in career Tiki 1,889 attempts 6 games missed in career What is your point... Edge missed an entire year for a blown ACL (or was it two blown ACLs). He has not missed a game due to injuries for 3 years. And he has been a solid all around performer since his return on a pass dominated offense. And now he is on a team with a QB that knows how to utilize RBs like Edge. Marshall Faulk/Kurt Warner-like combo anyone? I would personally take Edge over Tiki this year in a heart beat. As it happens I have the 8th pick and that option won't be there at that time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted July 24, 2006 I don't feel like Tiki deserves to be above Edge or Portis, but he is NOT going to fall apart this year. The Giants' o-line, and offense in general is too strong to allow their star RB to fail. He is currently 6th on my list for redraft. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
