Something that goes unnoticed when a superstar is on your team.

[Jwood 0]

I was thinking about this regarding Terrell Owens. Everyone keeps talking about how much better the offense will be. Well, I've been thinking about how much better the secondary will be

 

I know it's not 100% all out full speed full contact practice, but practicing against Owens everyday has GOT to make a defensive back better. I was reading where he was going up against Roy Williams and Terrance Newman in practice. This has got to make them better players. Most of the receivers they will go up against aren't anywhere near the speed and size of Owens. They should be relatively easy to cover after going up against a guy like Owens everyday.

 

Or the offensive lineman that has to go up against Julius Peppers all day in practice. He has to become a better player after that.

[hornedfrog 0]

Yeah, I bet you wish you had him on your fantasy team.

[iforgotmypassword 0]

then how was the colts D so bad for so long???

[Jwood 0]

then how was the colts D so bad for so long???

 

They are going more against scheme than talent. Reggie Wayne on any other team is just an average #2 or #3 receiver.

[Bubbameister 0]

I think your theory would hold up better in sports like boxing, tennis, and basketball where one on one is the norm.

[Ras66not99 0]

Nah he's right.... if you practice against the best you have to become a better player..... You know the person you square off against the following week is not as good as the guy you're playing against in the game... whether you're a cornerback covering Owens (or should I say trying to cover Owens ) or a Left tackle going up against Freeney, or even a Defensive End trying to get by a Jonathon Ogden every day in practice... it has to sharpen your skills....

 

It's just like swinging the heavy bat with doughnuts on it before you step to the plate... you know your bat speed is going to be quicker when you grab your regular bat... sorry for the baseball analogy.. (the sport sucks) but I was trying to make a point

[xxx 0]

They are going more against scheme than talent. Reggie Wayne on any other team is just an average #2 or #3 receiver.

 

I think hes talking about covering Harrison.

[Jwood 0]

I think hes talking about covering Harrison.

 

 

Harrison is not exceptionally fast or exceptionally big. He's not as difficult to cover like a Moss or Owens. He has great hands and it doesn't hurt that his QB puts the ball on the money most of the time and that makes him very hard to defend regardless of who's covering him. Also, a huge part of Harrison's success is the scheme. If you put him on another team, I think he's just a little above average receiver.

[DankNuggs 305]

Harrison is not exceptionally fast or exceptionally big. He's not as difficult to cover like a Moss or Owens. He has great hands and it doesn't hurt that his QB puts the ball on the money most of the time and that makes him very hard to defend regardless of who's covering him. Also, a huge part of Harrison's success is the scheme. If you put him on another team, I think he's just a little above average receiver.

 

So jerry rice would have been an average WR on another team?

 

 

Not everything can be dumbed down into a soundbyte "its the scheme"

[D'ohmer Simpson 0]

There are certainly theories out there that support this. But as us Eagle fans learned, if your d-line doesn't get any pressure, it won't matter who you're d-backs practice against, they'll look outmatched most of the time.

[Jwood 0]

So jerry rice would have been an average WR on another team?

Not everything can be dumbed down into a soundbyte "its the scheme"

 

First, I didn't say average. I said a little above average.

 

Secondly, Jerry Rice? C,mon. Harrison is good, but he's not Jerry Rice.

[Phurfur 70]

Harrison is not exceptionally fast or exceptionally big. He's not as difficult to cover like a Moss or Owens. He has great hands and it doesn't hurt that his QB puts the ball on the money most of the time and that makes him very hard to defend regardless of who's covering him. Also, a huge part of Harrison's success is the scheme. If you put him on another team, I think he's just a little above average receiver.

 

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Anyone who says Marvin Harrison is just a little about average on another team loses all credibility with me. Harrison was a great receiver before Manning or Dungy got there. Why would you even say something like this.

 

Now to answer your question, yes you do get better playing against better players.

[football_scooter 0]

Interesting...how's that theory hold up when Roy Williams does a horse-collar tackle on TO in 1 on 1 drills and breaks his ankle?

[Jwood 0]

You obviously have no idea what you are talking about. Anyone who says Marvin Harrison is just a little about average on another team loses all credibility with me. Harrison was a great receiver before Manning or Dungy got there. Why would you even say something like this.

 

Now to answer your question, yes you do get better playing against better players.

 

 

I would say something like this because the stats support what I said.

 

The 3 years before Manning was there and became good (2 years without Manning and Mannings rookie year).....He averaged 800 yards per season and 8 TDs. That's not a "great" receiver in my book.

 

I'm not saying he's not good, I just feel on another team without Manning and a wide open offense, he's a little above average receiver.

[Ras66not99 0]

I would say something like this because the stats support what I said.

 

The 3 years before Manning was there and became good (2 years without Manning and Mannings rookie year).....He averaged 800 yards per season and 8 TDs. That's not a "great" receiver in my book.

 

I'm not saying he's not good, I just feel on another team without Manning and a wide open offense, he's a little above average receiver.

 

Are you serious ? Marvin is one of the best route runners the NFL has ever seen... Don't downgrade the guy because he and his boy Petyon put in the extra homework to be the best they can be.... when it's all said and done he's top 5 Wr to ever play the game... an average Wr if he was on another team? c'mon you're been silly here....

[t.j 35]

I don't agree with this. A player might get better practicing against TO, but I think they could just as easily develop bad habits trying to compensate for the difficulty of their task. It all comes down to whether they understand their assignments and whether they are working on the proper techniques, not who they are doing it against.

 

I'm not even going to comment on JWood's ridiculous Harrison arguments.

[Phurfur 70]

I would say something like this because the stats support what I said.

 

The 3 years before Manning was there and became good (2 years without Manning and Mannings rookie year).....He averaged 800 yards per season and 8 TDs. That's not a "great" receiver in my book.

 

I'm not saying he's not good, I just feel on another team without Manning and a wide open offense, he's a little above average receiver.

 

You are sounding dumber by the post. In TO's first 3 years he averaged 800 yds and 8 TD's a year on a very good Super Bowl caliber team. So by the way you figure Marvin is better than TO because TO played on a better team.

[Jwood 0]

You are sounding dumber by the post. In TO's first 3 years he averaged 800 yds and 8 TD's a year on a very good Super Bowl caliber team. So by the way you figure Marvin is better than TO because TO played on a better team.

 

Good grief. For the last phocking time, I don't think Harrison is a bad receiver. I apparently made the mistake of merely expressing the opinion that I don't think he would be as good if he weren't in Indy's offense and have Manning as a quarterback.

[Phurfur 70]

If you put him on another team, I think he's just a little above average receiver.

 

 

Good grief. For the last phocking time, I don't think Harrison is a bad receiver. I apparently made the mistake of merely expressing the opinion that I don't think he would be as good if he weren't in Indy's offense and have Manning as a quarterback.

 

 

You didn't say that you said he would be "just a little above average" on another team. (See reference above)

[Jwood 0]

You didn't say that you said he would be "just a little above average" on another team. (See reference above)

 

Since when does a "little above average" = bad? I guess I should have said he would be a good receiver on another team, but not great like he is now.

[Phurfur 70]

Since when does a "little above average" = bad? I guess I should have said he would be a good receiver on another team, but not great like he is now.

 

Either way you are wrong! Marvin is a great WR and would be in any system.

[Jwood 0]

Either way you are wrong! Marvin is a great WR and would be in any system.

 

 

okay

[Let Da Big Dog Eat 42]

I agree with the premise but not in the case of TO. He is a unique WR in the NFL. He is just so much bigger and stronger than any other WR that I don't think it translates to covering other WR's. Kind of like preparing for a boxing match by practicing against a wrestler.