The Best 1.7 Yd. Per Carry Performance Ever!

[shasha 0]

The funny thing about Barry is (and I am guessing that time makes the memories fonder), he holds the NFL record for negative yardage. Don't get me wrong, I love Barry and I have to agree that there will probably never be another like him.

 

But what if they got fed up with his first couple of carries if they were for losses or modest gains and sat him? It would never happen because they knew what he could do on any given play. It is the same thing here.

 

I hear all of the arguments about him playing in a soft conference in college. Well I don't care if you are playing in high school, 200+ yards per game isn't just poor competition, it is pure talent. Am I the only one here that is just amazed at his vision? I don't think that I have ever seen anyone set up players as well as him, atleast not to the point that he actually has the physical tools to pull it off that well.

 

Another thing that I question is all of the 'can't carry the ball 20 times' crap? He is 6' tall and over 200 lbs of lean muscle. The fact that he didn't do it in college every game is just a case of having only one ball to go around. Plus if you really think about it, the field is only 100 yds long. They just finished drives in bigger chunks. Who cares if it was 10 carries or 30 as long as it was 100 yds and a TD in there at the end of the day. And last time I checked I never heard of him being hurt in college so it isn't like there was a history of injuries or even a track record of him fading in the 4th.

 

He also gives them the ability to run when everyone is playing soft and still be effective, maybe even more so. A 30 yd draw play will slow down a pass rush and bring that safety into the box or atleast bite on play action. He can impact the game without even touching the ball. You have to get this guy on the field as much as possible.

 

Deuce did not look good to me, but then again I only saw the few plays he was in there and the truth is that no one looked good. The 3rd and 2 play in question on the first drive was blown up in the backfield, Deuce would have been stopped too.

 

Thinking that Deuce is going to come storming back from this injury like it never happened is funny. Deuce's big knock coming out of college was that he couldn't stay healthy. Add a few years of pounding in that division and some pretty nasty injuries and images of Fred Taylor come to mind. And Fred never had anything that serious happen to him.

 

There are just too many things hanging on Bush's success here. The NFL is apparently latching onto him, the Saints and most of New Orleans seem to think that he is the answer to preventing hurricanes and restoring their storied franchise. My point here is that they can't afford to sit him when they are behind in the 4th or when they are first taking the field in the 1st. And don't forget that it was the old regime that had the loyalties to Deuce, look at the first thing that Payton and crew did when they got into town. Dump the QB and get a fancy new RB. Status qo is not the word of the day in New Orleans.

[culboarder11 0]

i can't fathom how people can watch bush run and then compare him to barry sanders. ridiculous statement.

 

a souped-un warrick dunn, folks. period.

 

Incase you havent noticed... warrick dunn is kinda good

[t.j 35]

ACL's aren't always 2yr injuries btw. You can look at past performances of other players coming off ACL tears the year prior. Jamal Lewis, for instance, did better than the year before he hurt it, in his 1st year back.

 

Wow, this is just about the worst argument I have ever seen.

 

Jamal 2000, rookie year: 1364 rushing yds, 6 TD, 4.4 ypc

Jamal 2001 ACL

Jamal 2002, 1st year back: 1327 rushing yds, 6 TD, 4.3 ypc

 

Now granted, if you factor in receiving he maybe had slightly better production in his 1st year back than he did in the year before the injury. But that doesn't mean Jamal was physically better in '02 than in '00... a lot changes with a team in 2 years, and he had the knowledge of a veteran by then.

 

Since we're talking about whether ACL injuries and whether they're 1 year or 2 year, it would make sense to look at the 1st year back and the 2nd year back, as opposed to the year prior to the injury, wouldn't it?

 

Jamal 2003, 2nd year back: 2066 yards, 14 TD, 5.3 ypc

 

Just a wee bit better than his first year back, wouldn't you say?

[t.j 35]

Another thing that I question is all of the 'can't carry the ball 20 times' crap? He is 6' tall and over 200 lbs of lean muscle. The fact that he didn't do it in college every game is just a case of having only one ball to go around. Plus if you really think about it, the field is only 100 yds long. They just finished drives in bigger chunks. Who cares if it was 10 carries or 30 as long as it was 100 yds and a TD in there at the end of the day. And last time I checked I never heard of him being hurt in college so it isn't like there was a history of injuries or even a track record of him fading in the 4th.

 

That's a great point about the Trojans not needing many plays to drive the field and score. That definitely hurt his number of touches significantly. People talk about his number of touches and ignore his yardage... 2218 yards offense as a senior! Not too shabby!

 

You want durability? You want touches? The guy returned kicks and punts and was fine. Rushes + catches + punt returns + kick returns = 283 touches as a senior, that's 22 touches per game as a senior, and there's no evidence that durability limited him from touching the ball more.

 

So let me get this straight. They guy who was deemed the best talent in the draft and the new savior of New Orleans while being handed a contract for at least 25 Mil gauranteed is only going to touch the ball 14 times a game because Fantasy Football sites say so?

Not because they say so. Although apparently you think you're smarter than all the experts who get people to pay them for their knowledge. I don't recall anyone paying you for your opinions (and rightly so). It's because he'll break down if he gets any more than that.

 

You're a damned fool and no one should ever listen to you.

[Snowbound70 0]

I don't think we can judge Reggie by this performance. It's very possible that a 5th carry would've gone for over 20 yards had he gotten the ball.

Awesome post. I think that ESPN got too much into the habit of projecting what USC would have done playing teams from the past, now they're in the habit of not letting what actually happens on the field affect their opinions/highlights. I wish they would just cut in highlights from the Fresno St game to show us what Reggie would have done on that 5th carry. Or maybe they could have him line up against a high school team to showcase his speed?

[shadow2k 0]

 

Wow, this is just about the worst argument I have ever seen.

 

Jamal 2000, rookie year: 1364 rushing yds, 6 TD, 4.4 ypc

Jamal 2001 ACL

Jamal 2002, 1st year back: 1327 rushing yds, 6 TD, 4.3 ypc

 

Now granted, if you factor in receiving he maybe had slightly better production in his 1st year back than he did in the year before the injury. But that doesn't mean Jamal was physically better in '02 than in '00... a lot changes with a team in 2 years, and he had the knowledge of a veteran by then.

 

Since we're talking about whether ACL injuries and whether they're 1 year or 2 year, it would make sense to look at the 1st year back and the 2nd year back, as opposed to the year prior to the injury, wouldn't it?

 

Jamal 2003, 2nd year back: 2066 yards, 14 TD, 5.3 ypc

 

Just a wee bit better than his first year back, wouldn't you say?

 

 

You're missing the point. People are trying to write Deuce off as if he's going to be a complete gimp this year, because it "takes 2yrs" to come back. I'm not saying Deuce is going to be back to exactly his old self right out of the gate. But more than a few backs have come back the next year to carry the ball enough to get around 1,000yds, and make sure that no RB on that team was worth what Bush, a rookie, is going for.

 

Look at Edge back in 2002 of his ACL. He carried the ball 277 times, for a crappy 3.6ypc and right around 1,000yds. Now at first glance, you'll say...hey, proves that it takes 2yrs. But does it? They had a guy averaging 4.7ypc with an 1,100yd season on 233 carries the year before...a rookie no less. But Edge sure got on the field enough to put Dominic Rhodes back on the bench, despite the fact that Edge was clearly not the same explosive back he had been the year before.

 

Jamal Anderson is another example of a 1,000yd back the year after a torn ACL. Same player he was just before the injury? Nope. Good enough to eat into a rookie's carries? Hell yeah.

 

It's not about whether Deuce can be a 1,500yd back again this year. It doesn't even matter if he plays crappy. If he's healthy enough to take the field every week, he will steal enough carries away from Bush to make him not worth his current ADP. That's all that matters. So for all intents and purposes...2yrs doesn't mean jack. The only thing that matters is how many touches Bush will get. And if Deuce can suit up and play each week, then he's effectively going to bite you in the ass for taking Bush so high....regardless of how crappy Deuce's stat lines may look.

[uubeee 0]

You're missing the point. People are trying to write Deuce off as if he's going to be a complete gimp this year, because it "takes 2yrs" to come back. I'm not saying Deuce is going to be back to exactly his old self right out of the gate. But more than a few backs have come back the next year to carry the ball enough to get around 1,000yds, and make sure that no RB on that team was worth what Bush, a rookie, is going for.

 

Look at Edge back in 2002 of his ACL. He carried the ball 277 times, for a crappy 3.6ypc and right around 1,000yds. Now at first glance, you'll say...hey, proves that it takes 2yrs. But does it? They had a guy averaging 4.7ypc with an 1,100yd season on 233 carries the year before...a rookie no less. But Edge sure got on the field enough to put Dominic Rhodes back on the bench, despite the fact that Edge was clearly not the same explosive back he had been the year before.

 

Jamal Anderson is another example of a 1,000yd back the year after a torn ACL. Same player he was just before the injury? Nope. Good enough to eat into a rookie's carries? Hell yeah.

 

It's not about whether Deuce can be a 1,500yd back again this year. It doesn't even matter if he plays crappy. If he's healthy enough to take the field every week, he will steal enough carries away from Bush to make him not worth his current ADP. That's all that matters. So for all intents and purposes...2yrs doesn't mean jack. The only thing that matters is how many touches Bush will get. And if Deuce can suit up and play each week, then he's effectively going to bite you in the ass for taking Bush so high....regardless of how crappy Deuce's stat lines may look.

Your argument is really dependant on the type of league you play in. If it is a redraft non PPR league, then what you write makes sense. but if it is a PPR league or any kind of keeper, his ADP is right on the money if not too low.

 

Point being that if Bush gets on the field and has 10 touches and Deuce 10 touches, Bush is more likely to get the catches in open space and is more of a runner who gets stopped behind the line 2 or 3 times before busting off a 20 yarder.

 

And what has FF addicts excited about Bush is not his touches per game, but what he can do with those touches. You give a guy 15 carries and 4 catches a game (in college) and he takes it for 200+ yards. You give that guy 15-20 touches in the bigs and maybe it goes for 80-100 and a score. 80 and a score is plenty for a #2 RB. And that isn't the limit for a RB like Bush. He should get 15-20 touches a game (RB, WR, KR) and he can take it all the way at any time.

 

As far as the ACL disussion, I disagree with your argument about Jamal and Edge. As said earlier, Jamal clearly improved dramatically in his 2nd year back. Both he and Edge didn't have anyone like Bush on the roster to compete with.

 

Duece is a fantastic RB with tons of ability. But he is coming off of a knee injury. The new coaching staff has no loyalty to him and they just gave 25 mil gauranteed to Bush who they do have loyalty to.

 

Sounds similar to the Travis Henry/McGahee situation a couple of years back. I was having the same arguments back then. A oft injured but talented back cemented as the starter even though a team takes a RB in the 1st round. Eventually, that oft injured back is going to be on the outs. Difference being here that Bush is not injured like McGahee was and has been named the savior of New Orleans (whether warranted or not).

 

Bush will get his touches.

[shadow2k 0]

Your argument is really dependant on the type of league you play in. If it is a redraft non PPR league, then what you write makes sense. but if it is a PPR league or any kind of keeper, his ADP is right on the money if not too low.

 

Point being that if Bush gets on the field and has 10 touches and Deuce 10 touches, Bush is more likely to get the catches in open space and is more of a runner who gets stopped behind the line 2 or 3 times before busting off a 20 yarder.

 

And what has FF addicts excited about Bush is not his touches per game, but what he can do with those touches. You give a guy 15 carries and 4 catches a game (in college) and he takes it for 200+ yards. You give that guy 15-20 touches in the bigs and maybe it goes for 80-100 and a score. 80 and a score is plenty for a #2 RB. And that isn't the limit for a RB like Bush. He should get 15-20 touches a game (RB, WR, KR) and he can take it all the way at any time.

 

As far as the ACL disussion, I disagree with your argument about Jamal and Edge. As said earlier, Jamal clearly improved dramatically in his 2nd year back. Both he and Edge didn't have anyone like Bush on the roster to compete with.

 

Duece is a fantastic RB with tons of ability. But he is coming off of a knee injury. The new coaching staff has no loyalty to him and they just gave 25 mil gauranteed to Bush who they do have loyalty to.

 

Sounds similar to the Travis Henry/McGahee situation a couple of years back. I was having the same arguments back then. A oft injured but talented back cemented as the starter even though a team takes a RB in the 1st round. Eventually, that oft injured back is going to be on the outs. Difference being here that Bush is not injured like McGahee was and has been named the savior of New Orleans (whether warranted or not).

 

Bush will get his touches.

 

Keepers are of course, a completely different situation. But even in a redraft PPR, I do not think he ends up the 17th best RB this year, which is where his current ADP of 3.1 would put him.

 

You can dream of him reversing the field on every play, but it's not going to happen. How many touches he gets will matter greatly. Just for kicks, go look at Barry Sanders' rookie year. 5.3ypc, but he got enough touches to make it worth it....almost twice as many as most people (including myself and this website for that matter) are projecting Bush to get. Sanders was THE guy his rookie year. Bush is...well, one of the guys, although clearly one of the most talented ones we've seen. But even talented backs still need to touch the ball a lot to score fantasy points. Especially if you play in a H2H format, where consistency will matter. Bush breaking a long one every now and then on 15 touches per game isn't going to give you that.

 

Henry/McGahee is quite different. Henry had been healthy the two previous years, it was McGahee who was hurt his rookie year. Henry started out 04 as the starter, and was getting over 20 carries per game doing it, while McGahee was lucky to even sniff the field. It wasn't until Henry actually did get hurt that McGahee took over in week 4 mid-game. Of course, McGahee also went on to have games where he'd touch the ball quite a few more times than anyone is expecting Bush to do...29, 31, 39, 30, 29. Even more than that though...Henry wasn't making what Deuce is making.

 

Hell, look at Tatum Bell last year. No, I'm not saying Bell = Bush, but he's the type of back that needs to bust a long one to make it worth your while. 15-20 touches per game, finished my league as RB24. For a 12 team league that starts 2RB's...that's a #2RB, right? Wrong. When you take a closer look, you realize the guy only had four good outings where you would have wanted him starting for you. Boom or bust. That's what Reggie Bush will be this year, week in and week out. I'm not saying he'll be a bust...but he's not going to be a consistent fantasy producer this year. Not in his situation.

[uubeee 0]

agree to disagree.

 

I believe Bush will get 15-20 touches each game betweem runs, receptions, returns. I don't think 80 total yrds per game and 10 TD's for the year is out of the question. In PPR with 3-5 receptions per game Bush is easliy a #2 or #3 RB, and that is no more of a risk that say Julius Jones or DeShaun Foster.

[edjr 6,602]

Reggie Bust.

 

 

[Guest JahRasta311]

so wait, reggie bush isn't a good fantasy option? i've been using him as a must start every week.

[edjr 6,602]

so wait, reggie bush isn't a good fantasy option? i've been using him as a must start every week.

 

 

Aug 22 2006

 

hth

[football_scooter 0]

agree to disagree.

 

I believe Bush will get 15-20 touches each game betweem runs, receptions, returns. I don't think 80 total yrds per game and 10 TD's for the year is out of the question. In PPR with 3-5 receptions per game Bush is easliy a #2 or #3 RB, and that is no more of a risk that say Julius Jones or DeShaun Foster.

 

 

How's that working out for ya?