Captain Goomy Noomy Roo 50 Posted August 30, 2006 Talk me out of Peyton Manning. Who is the #5 pick of 12. Big 3 and Tiki gone..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mtammen 0 Posted August 30, 2006 RUDI easy. If you take Ronnie Brown you are dooming your season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rebooters 1 Posted August 30, 2006 ronnie isnt a bad pick but rudi is solid here. palmer and the passing game are looking good so rudi will have lots and lots of running room. im looking for a blow up year, 1700yrds and 14tds. he has ad about 1500yrds and 12 tds the past 2 years. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Blue Martini 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Talk me out of Peyton Manning. Who is the #5 pick of 12. Big 3 and Tiki gone..... Can't talk you out of it. If it's 6 pts for passing TD I think Manning is the one if Tiki is gone. The next 6 RB's all have question marks with new coaches, new schemes, new teams...except a safe pick in Rudi. I have the #5 tonite and I think i am set with Tiki or Peyton....I just can't justify any of those others over Manning - who should post several more TD passes this year with Edge gone. Addai and Rhodes will not be scoring 14 TD's like Edge. I will definitely keep an eye on this post - it is a tough call all the way around, since you then have a lot of scrambling to do at RB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Captain Goomy Noomy Roo 50 Posted August 30, 2006 Hmmmmmm Doesn't seem like anyone is talking me down from the ledge on the Peyton Pick. Where are all those "gotta get that RB" types? Should Manning really be considered at this pick? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
avoiding injuries 1,580 Posted August 30, 2006 I'm thinking of going Rudi at #4 next weekend. I am one of those who undervalue Tiki. I want my first round pick to be a sure thing rb. All signs are pointing to Rudi to be that guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
taa455 0 Posted August 30, 2006 I would not take Peyton there. Peyton is overrated. Aside from the one freakish huge season he had, is he really that far above Palmer, Brady, or Hasselbeck? (who you can get 2, 3 or even 4 rounds later). Take a reliable consistent RB like Rudi Johnson to be the foundation of your squad. You won't be sorry. There. How's that for talking you down? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ART MONK 4 HOF! 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Hmmmmmm Doesn't seem like anyone is talking me down from the ledge on the Peyton Pick. Where are all those "gotta get that RB" types? Should Manning really be considered at this pick? does your league give 6pts for passing td's or 4pts? mine gives 4, so RB's are slightly more valuable (especially since the difference between the elite and avg RB's is much greater than the difference between Manning and the t.green/bulgers of the world). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rebooters 1 Posted August 30, 2006 looks like palmer could be right under manning this year. why not take a rudi and then a palmer in round 2? how does that sound versus peyton and a mcgahee type? ill take the palmer/rudi combo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tt1010 0 Posted August 30, 2006 The one reason I would not take Manning in Rd 1 this year is because I haven't seen a decent team roster that has done so. Every team roster that picked Manning in Rd 1 has looked dismal at best. The guy in my league is screwed already - he'll have to be a waiver wire and trading genius this season to stand a chance. The question is, who do you pick in Rounds 2 and 3? Round 2's best value is probably a WR. You could go RB if someone falls, but who will it be? McGahee? Then Round 3 comes - you have to take a RB if you picked a WR in Rd 2, no? Who the heck is left?? This guy will be your #1 RB. And if you picked a RB in Rd2, you have a choice of a decent #2 RB, or a decent #1 WR. None of these choices appeal to me. Depth at RB this year is probably the most crucial thing. You'll need 2-3 RBs in your stable that have a good shot at producing. That won't happen if you choose Manning in Rd 1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted August 30, 2006 The pts for TD would factor in, but the thing that screams "No, don't take Peyton here!" is the fact that it's a 12 teamer. Yes, all the other "top" backs (projected late 1st round/early 2nd round picks) have question marks, but if you take Manning, you'll never have a shot at one of them because of your #5 spot, and that will hamper your team. However, by not taking Manning, you're giving someone else a chance at a good team, particularly the guys at the end of the round who can catch a back w/ 1st pick and grab Manning on the way back (or vice versa). But my philosophy is draft for your team, not somebody elses. I would see if anybody would like to trade up with you and see if you can get a pick around 8-9 and still have a shot at Manning early 2nd round. As for my vote, not knowing whether it's a PPR league, I'd say stay safe and take Rudi at #5. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TerryOBrien 0 Posted August 30, 2006 Do not take Peyton that early in the first round in a 12 man league. Your looking at Willie Parker/Westy as your #1 back and then who knows who will be there on the way back. Peyton is great do not get me wrong, but he was not even the #1 QB last year. Not calling him a bust but if you pick him before a solid RB you will hurt your team overall. Let someone else take him, maybe you will get lucky and there will be a run on QBs then you get 2 Good RBs and a good Receiver on the way back in the 3rd. I could be totally off on this but last year guy wasted Manning pick early and hurt him big time. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Perennial Contender 18 Posted August 30, 2006 The one reason I would not take Manning in Rd 1 this year is because I haven't seen a decent team roster that has done so. Every team roster that picked Manning in Rd 1 has looked dismal at best. The guy in my league is screwed already - he'll have to be a waiver wire and trading genius this season to stand a chance. I took Manning in round 1. First let me qualify, The league is a 10- team PPR league and QB's get 6 per passTD as well as a yardage league. I went QB, WR, WR because of the scoring sytem and who was available. And because there are so many questionable RB's in this years draft. We also have a cap/requirement of 4 RB's and 6 "receivers" (no TE required) and must draft and have 2 d's and k's all year. Last but not least, FF drafts are based on projection, but many base theirs on past - I also took into account and have concerns about San Diego & KC. And no Edge in Indy. My Draft: QB-PManning 1.3 WR-RMoss 2.7 WR-TOwens 3.3 RB-DFoster 4.7 RB-WDunn 5.3 WR-DMason 6.7 RB- JJones 7.3 RB- FGore 8.7 WR-LEvans 9.3 WR-DStallworth 10.7 WR- LColes 11.3 A bit of a sacrafice at RB but Gore, Dunn, JJones, & Foster aint chopped liver. Loaded at the receiver position imo which is nice in a ppr league. And I love my "big 3" of Manning, Moss, & Owens. Need to know more about your leagues scoring system and how many teams. Rudi is primed for a big year IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tt1010 0 Posted August 30, 2006 My Draft: QB-PManning 1.3 WR-RMoss 2.7 WR-TOwens 3.3 RB-DFoster 4.7 RB-WDunn 5.3 WR-DMason 6.7 RB- JJones 7.3 RB- FGore 8.7 WR-LEvans 9.3 WR-DStallworth 10.7 WR- LColes 11.3 I must admit, that is the best team I've seen that has drafted Manning first. You drafted 3rd, which means you sacrificied one of the top 3 RBs (which one btw?) for Manning. That's certainly bucking the trend... When did you draft? Either you're psychic, or the other guys in your league aren't up to date w/ FF info. Dunn in the 5th? Gore in the 8th?? JJones in the 7th? Stallworth in the 10th? (although that's not surprising pre-trade) This isn't an elitist post, as many of the guys in my league grab one magazine and call it draft prep. They made some strange picks... But in my 10 team league that isn't very FF savvy, Dunn was gone in the 4th, JJones in the 5th, and Gore in the 7th. It seems you got amazing value. This is the Year of the Question Mark in fantasy football. I'm leaning towards cautious picks first, followed by some RvR choices. But the core must be in place imo. The question is, will Manning outproduce all other QBs enough that a 1st round pick is justified? Who knows? But my gut says he won't. There is a necessity of feel and intuition this year, so if you feel Manning is the way to go, do it and don't look back. I just don't agree with that philosophy this year. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mattcoz 3 Posted August 30, 2006 Just found out that I have the #5 pick in one of my drafts, I was considering Peyton and Rudi as well, so this discussion helped me a lot. I think I'm going to go with Rudi. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
larrymcirish 0 Posted August 30, 2006 i selected ronnie over rudi because i think (hope) ronnie will have more consistancy. while rudi had some real good totals last year, 1/3 of his yards & 2/3 of his td's came in 5 games. he did not score in 8 games. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Return of the King 0 Posted August 30, 2006 try trading up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted August 30, 2006 I must admit, that is the best team I've seen that has drafted Manning first. You drafted 3rd, which means you sacrificied one of the top 3 RBs (which one btw?) for Manning. That's certainly bucking the trend... When did you draft? Either you're psychic, or the other guys in your league aren't up to date w/ FF info. Dunn in the 5th? Gore in the 8th?? JJones in the 7th? Stallworth in the 10th? (although that's not surprising pre-trade) This isn't an elitist post, as many of the guys in my league grab one magazine and call it draft prep. They made some strange picks... But in my 10 team league that isn't very FF savvy, Dunn was gone in the 4th, JJones in the 5th, and Gore in the 7th. It seems you got amazing value. This is the Year of the Question Mark in fantasy football. I'm leaning towards cautious picks first, followed by some RvR choices. But the core must be in place imo. The question is, will Manning outproduce all other QBs enough that a 1st round pick is justified? Who knows? But my gut says he won't. There is a necessity of feel and intuition this year, so if you feel Manning is the way to go, do it and don't look back. I just don't agree with that philosophy this year. QB-PManning 1.3 WR-RMoss 2.7 WR-TOwens 3.3 RB-DFoster 4.7 RB-WDunn 5.3 WR-DMason 6.7 RB- JJones 7.3 RB- FGore 8.7 WR-LEvans 9.3 WR-DStallworth 10.7 WR- LColes 11.3 I'm not big on this team, I sense a large amount of luck there, like several guys in the league didn't know there stuff or it happened a couple of weeks ago, and I see a tremendous dependence on health of fragile backs. I see Peyton, followed by inj risk WR, mental risky WR, Inj prone back, Dunn (good val at 5.3), Mason (again good val), JJones (inj prone but still good val), FGore in rnd 8? (wow,nice). Picking from the 3rd spot, I would have traded down in a heartbeat to the end of the round, hoped for Peyton there, grabbed a good RB, then probably still have gotten the Moss/TO combo in 3/4 round. I'd take a possible Manning/Caddy/Moss/Owens combo anyday over Manning/Moss/Owens/Foster. In my 10 teamer, I picked 5th and came out with RBrown/Manning/CJohnson/CTaylor which I believe is a stronger roster than what you have from a lower draft spot. Point is, Manning in the first round unless it's at the end is too high a price to pay IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gephardt69 0 Posted August 30, 2006 I would not take Peyton there. Peyton is overrated. Aside from the one freakish huge season he had, is he really that far above Palmer, Brady, or Hasselbeck? (who you can get 2, 3 or even 4 rounds later). Take a reliable consistent RB like Rudi Johnson to be the foundation of your squad. You won't be sorry. There. How's that for talking you down? exactly. that's the thing about manning... everyone's assuming he's going to go for 35-40 tds this year. but aside from 04 how many times has he topped 30 td passes? once? even though manning's a mostly- sure thing for 28-29 tds, is that really that much better then the 10 guys who'll toss 23-24 tds who'll be drafted in rounds 4-7? even at 6 points a td pass I wouldn't think so. also, bear in mind he's going into 06 without his top running back. manning wasn't a slouch when james had his knee injury a few years back but I don't think it was like he was tossing a bunch more td passes then... if anything he was doing slightly worse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pound 0 Posted August 30, 2006 I had #5 and went with Ronnie. Second gussing myself a bit, other considerations were SJax and Rudi. We'll see how it turns out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
