Dems laying groundwork for Nov. losses.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

I can see it now. They will try to cover it by claiming the Reps stole the election, but what they are really saying is "Our voters are too dumb to use a touch screen voting machine".

 

Major Problems At Polls Feared

Some Officials Say Voting Law Changes And New Technology Will Cause Trouble

 

 

An overhaul in how states and localities record votes and administer elections since the Florida recount battle six years ago has created conditions that could trigger a repeat -- this time on a national scale -- of last week's Election Day debacle in the Maryland suburbs, election experts said.

 

In the Nov. 7 election, more than 80 percent of voters will use electronic voting machines, and a third of all precincts this year are using the technology for the first time. The changes are part of a national wave, prompted by the federal Help America Vote Act of 2002 and numerous revisions of state laws, that led to the replacement of outdated voting machines with computer-based electronic machines, along with centralized databases of registered voters and other steps to refine the administration of elections.

 

 

In a polarized political climate, in which elections are routinely marked by litigation and allegations of incompetent administration or outright tampering, some worry that voting problems could cast a Florida-style shadow over this fall's midterm elections.

 

"We could see that control of Congress is going to be decided by races in recount situations that might not be determined for several weeks," said Paul S. DeGregorio, chairman of the federal Election Assistance Commission, although he added that he does not expect problems of this magnitude.

 

The main focus is on whether people know how to properly use the machines, particularly the large army of volunteers who staff the polls at most precincts.

 

"We know the equipment works because it's been qualified to federal standards," said Kevin J. Kennedy, executive director of the Wisconsin State Elections Board and president of the National Association of State Election Directors. "The real challenge is to make sure our poll workers are trained and make sure voters have been educated so that we don't have an experience like Maryland had."

 

 

 

In 2004, some Democrats alleged widespread voting irregularities in Ohio, including questionable vote-counting and problems with machines in Democratic-leaning precincts. Nonpartisan election experts have said the problems were not so severe to call President Bush's victory, by about 119,000 votes, into question.

 

 

Republicans have pressed for laws requiring voters to show a state or federal identification card -- a requirement Democrats say could disenfranchise low-income and minority voters.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...1600885_pf.html

[IAMWood 6]

I can see it now. They will try to cover it by claiming the Reps stole the election, but what they are really saying is "Our voters are too dumb to use a touch screen voting machine".

 

...

 

In 2004, some Democrats alleged widespread voting irregularities in Ohio, including questionable vote-counting and problems with machines in Democratic-leaning precincts. Nonpartisan election experts have said the problems were not so severe to call President Bush's victory, by about 119,000 votes, into question.

 

 

Republicans have pressed for laws requiring voters to show a state or federal identification card -- a requirement Democrats say could disenfranchise low-income and minority voters.

 

Are people supposed to just say, oh we lost and not question vote tallys? Do you really think that votes haven't been fixed in the past, anywhere?

 

Why would you need a voter identification card? Maybe it is just Texas, but I have voter's registration card. If you require a voter's ID card, what would be the menas to obtain one, requirements could be siimilar to a poll tax, who knows? Regardless, more big brother watching you.

 

Dude, just because it says Republicans are for something, don't take it at 100%. Give it some thought.

 

Just because someone says they are nonpartisan, doesn't mean they are.

[Guest Davaco]

the GOP knew ohio was close, so they put their lawyers there to raise all kinds of requirements which take longer for people to get to the booth and vote. bush "won" by 119,000, but not everyone got to vote or many votes were thrown out.

 

when the GOP wins, we all lose

 

bush allowed 9/11 to happen, shot down the space shuttle with the same type of surface to air missle that downed Senator wellstone's airplane, katrina...

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

the GOP knew ohio was close, so they put their lawyers there to raise all kinds of requirements which take longer for people to get to the booth and vote. bush "won" by 119,000, but not everyone got to vote or many votes were thrown out.

 

when the GOP wins, we all lose

 

bush allowed 9/11 to happen, shot down the space shuttle with the same type of surface to air missle that downed Senator wellstone's airplane, katrina...

 

 

Might be time for a new alias....clearly you have even less bait on the hooks these days...

 

That or you are that much of a moron.

[Guest Davaco]

Might be time for a new alias....clearly you have even less bait on the hooks these days...

 

That or you are that much of a moron.

funny how you always appear after recliner piolt and then claim i have an alias, meaning, you are the alias

 

(again)

[Sho Nuff 720]

funny how you always appear after recliner piolt and then claim i have an alias, meaning, you are the alias

 

(again)

 

Are you a gambling man?

 

How much would you like to bet that I am not Recliner Pilot? Any Mod out there can verify this for you if you would like...

 

Actually, I appear after you say something stupid (which is quite often).

[Guest Davaco]

Are you a gambling man?

 

How much would you like to bet that I am not Recliner Pilot? Any Mod out there can verify this for you if you would like...

 

Actually, I appear after you say something stupid (which is quite often).

 

i dont have an alias either, ask any mod, but i sure like winning

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

i dont have an alias either, ask any mod, but i sure like winning

 

 

You do not have an alias...you are one.

 

Winning? If by winning you mean posting incoherent falsehoods and purely ingnorant BS...then yes...you win all the time.

 

Cue the quote manipulation and .....

 

Rude Rick > Davaco and that is quite sad.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

funny how you always appear after recliner piolt and then claim i have an alias, meaning, you are the alias

 

(again)

 

I have no alias. This would make you wrong again. What a shocker.

[Guest Davaco]

You do not have an alias...you are one.

 

Winning? If by winning you mean posting incoherent falsehoods and purely ingnorant BS...then yes...you win all the time.

 

Cue the quote manipulation and .....

 

Rude Rick > Davaco and that is quite sad.

 

there you go insulting again, which can only mean one thing.

 

 

(again)

 

I have no alias. This would make you wrong again. What a shocker.

 

again?

 

[Sho Nuff 720]

there you go insulting again, which can only mean one thing.

(again)

again?

 

 

Yup...,it means one thing...that it is all true.....you are that much of an idiot.

 

And yes...he means again...as in the last time you accused us of being the same person.

[Guest Davaco]

Yup...,it means one thing...that it is all true.....you are that much of an idiot.

 

And yes...he means again...as in the last time you accused us of being the same person.

 

have a nice day recliner

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Setting aside Davaco's appearance to re-confirm his idiocy, and getting back to the subject of the thread, can anyone remember the last time the dems lost an election without blaming voter fraud?

 

Seems to me they are already crying about voter fraud weeks before the election even occurs.

 

Gotta love it.

 

[Guest Davaco]

Setting aside Davaco's appearance to re-confirm his idiocy, and getting back to the subject of the thread, can anyone remember the last time the dems lost an election without blaming voter fraud?

 

Seems to me they are already crying about voter fraud weeks before the election even occurs.

 

Gotta love it.

 

 

can anyone remember when the right won an election without supressing voter turnout in key states?

let the voters decide, not the courts. and count all the votes, not just enough to win and have your mouthpiece claim victory.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

can anyone remember when the right won an election without supressing voter turnout in key states?

let the voters decide, not the courts. and count all the votes, not just enough to win and have your mouthpiece claim victory.

 

2000, 2002, 2004......................

 

 

HTH

[PackerAttacker 0]

can anyone remember when the right won an election without supressing voter turnout in key states?

let the voters decide, not the courts. and count all the votes, not just enough to win and have your mouthpiece claim victory.

 

In Wisconsin, it was the Democrats that went out and slashed the tires of the republicans Get out the vote vans on election day.

 

Its Jim Doyle who opposes a voter ID because it would mean the loss of all the dems that vote for him like 8 times.

 

It seriously disgusts me when I see people using a piece of mail as their ID. I can easily print off a piece of mail in someone elses name and go vote as them. But I dont. Thats what democrats do.

 

Its the liberal way... Vote Early, Vote Often.

[Greedo 13]

Both parties cheat in different ways. Neither side should be whining about voter fraud.

 

Besides, there are as many, or more, ignorant voters that vote republican as vote democrat. Seems likea silly thing for the dems to be whining about.

[Korben Dallas 0]

Here is what I think may be a reason to be, say, untrusting of the new Diebold machines:

 

 

Via Freedom to Tinker:

 

On Wednesday we did a live demo for our Princeton Computer Science colleagues of the vote-stealing software described in our paper and video. Afterward, Chris Tengi, a technical staff member, asked to look at the key that came with the voting machine. He noticed an alphanumeric code printed on the key, and remarked that he had a key at home with the same code on it. The next day he brought in his key and sure enough it opened the voting machine.

 

This seemed like a freakish coincidence -- until we learned how common these keys are.

 

Chris's key was left over from a previous job, maybe fifteen years ago. He said the key had opened either a file cabinet or the access panel on an old VAX computer. A little research revealed that the exact same key is used widely in office furniture, electronic equipment, jukeboxes, and hotel minibars. It's a standard part, and like most standard parts it's easily purchased on the Internet. We bought several keys from an office furniture key shop -- they open the voting machine too. We ordered another key on eBay from a jukebox supply shop. The keys can be purchased from many online merchants.

 

and of course, what they are referring to on the top is this research that was released.

 

Main Findings The main findings of our study are:

 

Malicious software running on a single voting machine can steal votes with little if any risk of detection. The malicious software can modify all of the records, audit logs, and counters kept by the voting machine, so that even careful forensic examination of these records will find nothing amiss. We have constructed demonstration software that carries out this vote-stealing attack.

 

Anyone who has physical access to a voting machine, or to a memory card that will later be inserted into a machine, can install said malicious software using a simple method that takes as little as one minute. In practice, poll workers and others often have unsupervised access to the machines.

 

AccuVote-TS machines are susceptible to voting-machine viruses — computer viruses that can spread malicious software automatically and invisibly from machine to machine during normal pre- and post-election activity. We have constructed a demonstration virus that spreads in this way, installing our demonstration vote-stealing program on every machine it infects.

 

While some of these problems can be eliminated by improving Diebold's software, others cannot be remedied without replacing the machines' hardware. Changes to election procedures would also be required to ensure security.

 

Princeton Study

 

Perhaps the Dem's additional concern stems from the above and the fact that the owner of Diebold guarenteed a Republican victory.

 

The voter fraud goes both ways, for example only one case of voter fraud has occured in Missouri since 1994 and that was a Bible college trying to get some extra GOP votes.

 

Voter Fraud discovered during the Fall of 2004 in Greene County Missouri

 

There were discovered as many as 788 illegally registered voters at Baptist Bible College in Springfield Missouri. The Local Election Authority (Richard Struckhoff) was notified as well as the Secretary of State (Matt Blunt).

 

The voters were never required to properly register because the election authority was unwilling to make the politically charged decision. This voter fraud may have been occurring since 1979.

 

If local election authorities are unwilling or unable to enforce election law then we need an elections board to take care of voter fraud and other issues surrounding partisan politics.

 

 

I hardly think that justifies denying the poor the ability to vote by forcing them to purchase ID cards for voting.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Hey Kornholed, your left-wing, ivy league "study" doesn't prove Reps have done anything wrong. Hell, it doesn't even accuse the Reps of any wrongdoing.

 

Get back to me when you find some actual EVIDENCE of voter fraud on the Reps part.

 

And please link us to where the Reps want to charge the poor for an ID card.

 

Asshat.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Make that Lying Asshat.

[Guest Davaco]

2000, 2002, 2004......................

HTH

 

gore would have won in 2000 if all ballots were re-counted, including the disqualified ballots. when more people go to the polls to vote for gore and bush wins, you know its a bad omen. hence 9/11, space shuttle, katrina, iraq, secret prisons, torture, abu grab. it will only be 3-4 decades before we are back on solid footing

 

http://www.bushwatch.com/gorebush.htm

[Recliner Pilot 61]

gore would have won in 2000 if all ballots were re-counted, including the disqualified ballots. when more people go to the polls to vote for gore and bush wins, you know its a bad omen. hence 9/11, space shuttle, katrina, iraq, secret prisons, torture, abu grab. it will only be 3-4 decades before we are back on solid footing

 

http://www.bushwatch.com/gorebush.htm

 

Once again you are wrong.

 

A consortiam of media outlets conducted just such a study. They counted EVERY VOTE in the 4 liberal counties Gore challenged and found Gore lost by a wider margin than he did in the initial recount.

 

You didn't hear much about it because it wasn't what the media was looking for.

[Guest Davaco]

Once again you are wrong.

 

A consortiam of media outlets conducted just such a study. They counted EVERY VOTE in the 4 liberal counties Gore challenged and found Gore lost by a wider margin than he did in the initial recount.

 

You didn't hear much about it because it wasn't what the media was looking for.

 

link

[Recliner Pilot 61]

LMAO

 

The dems didn't even make it until noon before about voter fraud, vote suppression, and the inability for their constituents to vote using the electronic machines they demanded in '00 because their constituents were to dumb to poke a hole in a piece of paper.

[ArnieBragg 2]

We need some kpbuckeye in your threads.

 

Stat.

[kpbuckeye 3]

We need some kpbuckeye in your threads.

 

Stat.

 

 

at your service sir, how may I help?

 

need me to interject a little life into this thread?

[FranksTanks 0]

I can see it now. They will try to cover it by claiming the Reps stole the election, but what they are really saying is "Our voters are too dumb to use a touch screen voting machine".

 

Major Problems At Polls Feared

Some Officials Say Voting Law Changes And New Technology Will Cause Trouble

 

 

An overhaul in how states and localities record votes and administer elections since the Florida recount battle six years ago has created conditions that could trigger a repeat -- this time on a national scale -- of last week's Election Day debacle in the Maryland suburbs, election experts said.

 

In the Nov. 7 election, more than 80 percent of voters will use electronic voting machines, and a third of all precincts this year are using the technology for the first time. The changes are part of a national wave, prompted by the federal Help America Vote Act of 2002 and numerous revisions of state laws, that led to the replacement of outdated voting machines with computer-based electronic machines, along with centralized databases of registered voters and other steps to refine the administration of elections.

 

 

In a polarized political climate, in which elections are routinely marked by litigation and allegations of incompetent administration or outright tampering, some worry that voting problems could cast a Florida-style shadow over this fall's midterm elections.

 

"We could see that control of Congress is going to be decided by races in recount situations that might not be determined for several weeks," said Paul S. DeGregorio, chairman of the federal Election Assistance Commission, although he added that he does not expect problems of this magnitude.

 

The main focus is on whether people know how to properly use the machines, particularly the large army of volunteers who staff the polls at most precincts.

 

"We know the equipment works because it's been qualified to federal standards," said Kevin J. Kennedy, executive director of the Wisconsin State Elections Board and president of the National Association of State Election Directors. "The real challenge is to make sure our poll workers are trained and make sure voters have been educated so that we don't have an experience like Maryland had."

 

 

 

In 2004, some Democrats alleged widespread voting irregularities in Ohio, including questionable vote-counting and problems with machines in Democratic-leaning precincts. Nonpartisan election experts have said the problems were not so severe to call President Bush's victory, by about 119,000 votes, into question.

 

 

Republicans have pressed for laws requiring voters to show a state or federal identification card -- a requirement Democrats say could disenfranchise low-income and minority voters.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...1600885_pf.html

 

So what's your excuse?

[DBZFan2K 0]

So what's your excuse?

Six year itch

[BlackPlague 1]

Not that it helped ( ), but it looks like some of the claims of vote suppresion are starting to be validated.

 

CNN

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[Cdub100 3,995]

[Isotopes 1]

Man the Dems suck. They even screwed up laying the groundwork for November losses. Can you believe they won? Man their faces must be red.

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Needs a bump. Here's why:

 

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[Recliner Pilot 61]

The Dems were crying foul before noon yesterday.

 

Now that they won big I predict you will not hear from any Dem about voter suppression, voter intimidation, or voter disenfranchisement.

 

Just a guess.

[DanXIII 8]

The Dems were crying foul before noon yesterday.

 

Now that they won big I predict you will not hear from any Dem about voter suppression, voter intimidation, or voter disenfranchisement.

 

Just a guess.

 

Since we've already heard from Dems about "voter suppression, voter intimidation, and voter disenfranchisement" I predict that you're wrong yet again.

[lagarzlebrew 0]

Both parties cheat in different ways. Neither side should be whining about voter fraud.

 

Besides, there are as many, or more, ignorant voters that vote republican as vote democrat. Seems likea silly thing for the dems to be whining about.

[Recliner Pilot 61]

Since we've already heard from Dems about "voter suppression, voter intimidation, and voter disenfranchisement" I predict that you're wrong yet again.

 

Didn't catch my "before noon" reference to the dems crying about said issues, huh? I'm saying you won't hear much about it now that they have won.

[DanXIII 8]

It must be awful to be a Repube today.