Boy, I thought the DEMS were a discombobulated group

[wiffleball 4,789]

But The Right takes the cake! - At least coordinate your whining and blame Bill Clinton for everything!

 

 

 

Some leading conservative Christian voices aligned with the GOP blamed Republicans for ignoring their social agenda, while less partisan faith leaders said they believed evangelical Christians are embracing a more broad social agenda.

 

Besides rejecting Republicans, voters defended abortion rights in South Dakota, endorsed stem cell research in Missouri, and, in a national first, rejected a same-sex marriage ban in Arizona.

 

The verdict on abortion rights was particularly clear. Oregon and California voters defeated measures that would have required parents to be notified before a girl under 18 could get an abortion, and South Dakotans -- by a margin of 56 percent to 44 percent -- rejected a new state law that would have banned all abortions except to save a pregnant woman's life.

 

Finger-pointing abounded. James Dobson, chairman of Focus on the Family, issued a statement railing against the Republicans for letting their majorities slip away.

 

"They consistently ignored the constituency that put them in power until it was late in the game, and then frantically tried to catch up at the last minute," said Dobson, who argued that religious conservatives ensured GOP wins in 2004.

 

Dobson also criticized other conservatives, including former Majority Leader ###### Armey, R-Texas -- an architect of the 1994 GOP House takeover -- for complaining recently that the religious right was "too involved" with the party.

 

Professor Francis Beckwith, president-elect of the Evangelical Theological Society, took a different tack. He said he believes that evangelicals helped put the Democrats in power -- and that's a good thing.

 

The results showed Republicans they can no longer take evangelical voters for granted, Beckwith said.

 

And the Rev. Tony Campolo, founder of the Evangelical Association for the Promotion of Education, said Democrats learned how to connect with people of faith.

 

The cybersex scandal involving former Republican Rep. Mark Foley of Florida and the fall of Ted Haggard, the evangelical pastor who was fired amid allegations of gay sex and drug use, also left some values voters dispirited.

 

More than four in 10 evangelicals said corruption and scandals were extremely important, and those who felt that way were more likely to vote for Democratic candidates than other evangelicals. About a third who were most concerned about corruption cast their votes for Democrats, according to exit polls conducted for The Associated Press and the networks.

 

Janice Shaw Crouse, a conservative analyst with Concerned Women for America, suggested that Republicans -- some of them entangled in corruption and sex scandals -- had lost some of the selling power of the "family values" themes they had pushed in recent elections.

 

About seven in 10 white evangelicals voted for the Republican candidate, slightly less than the eight in 10 who voted for Bush in 2004.

 

The returns show the relationship between religious conservatives and the GOP has frayed a bit.

 

Author David Kuo, a former aide in the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives, wrote in his book, "Tempting Faith, An Inside Story of Political Seduction," that Bush aides privately called conservative Christians "nuts," "ridiculous" and "goofy."

 

"In this election, both the Religious Right and the secular Left were defeated, and the voice of the moral center was heard," Jim Wallis said in a column on the Web site BeliefNet.

 

"It is clear from the election results that moderate, and some conservative, Christians -- especially evangelicals and Catholics -- want a moral agenda that is broader than only abortion and same-sex marriage," Wallis said.

 

Wallis, a theologian and preacher who heads the anti-poverty group Call to Renewal and edits Sojournors magazine. He also authored "God’s Politics: Why the Right Gets It Wrong and the Left Doesn’t Get It."

 

"A significant number of candidates elected are social conservatives on issues of life and family, economic populists, and committed to a new direction in Iraq," Wallis said. "This is the way forward: a grand new alliance between liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, one that can end partisan gridlock and involves working together for real solutions to pressing problems."

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Dobson is a fool. The Republican party didn't lose because they ignored christian conservatives - they lost because they spent the last six years pandering to those people and alienated moderate Republicans and libertarian types. There aren't enough evangelicals in this country to win a general election on the strength of them alone, and the small-government type GOPers were fed up with the spending and corruption and stayed home. I hope the Republican party knows enough to throw Dobson et al. under the bus. They used to be useful idiots but now they're not even useful.

[Voltaire 5,298]

Dobson is a fool. The Republican party didn't lose because they ignored christian conservatives - they lost because they spent the last six years pandering to those people and alienated moderate Republicans and libertarian types. There aren't enough evangelicals in this country to win a general election on the strength of them alone, and the small-government type GOPers were fed up with the spending and corruption and stayed home. I hope the Republican party knows enough to throw Dobson et al. under the bus. They used to be useful idiots but now they're not even useful.

 

I see it this way too, but obviously the Christian conservative types feel let down by the GOP for some reason. I have no idea why. It's not like they didn't get high priorities for everything they asked for at the expense of everything else. SOme of their favorite politicians were hypocrits, hey the hypocrits were delivering the goods for the Evangelicals with every vote weren't they?

[wiffleball 4,789]

I actually just posted this b/c earlier in the day GOP'ers were whining about how many political threads there were.

 

But, I've been thinking about this: I think the Christian Taliban (err - Radical Religous Evangelical Right) got cocky after the last election. I remember watching Pat Robertson almost giggle with glee over how "most of the country is red states".

 

What he (and his kind) DIDN'T get is this: A "red state" doesn't necessarily mean one that is comprised of the Radical Religous Evangelical Right. In fact, all it meant was "a state that voted against the democratic candidate for president". In other words, the Dems failed miserably in not being able to put forth a viable candidate against a very beatable GWB.

 

What they learned - or should have learned is this: Don't assume that just b/c a "red state" didn't vote for Kerry means that they're going to vote the party line. They chose the seemingly better of two candidates then and would do the same thing now. - And that's what happened. People voted not on party lines, but on the strength of the individual candidates.

[FU Rude Rick 0]

Wrong. They voted against Bush and the Iraq war.

 

Before noon on Tuesday, the libs and the mainstream media they own put out numerous stories of voter fraud, intimidation, voting machine malfunctions, bla bla. What happened to all of these stories? The dems won so they dropped them . Had it been the other way around, all that you would hear now is that the repubs stole the election, voter intimadation, recounts, lawyers, bla bla. Why doesn't the right operate like that? Because they're better human beings.

 

Wiffleball, you said you a registered repub.....what a load of shiat.

[Uh-huh 0]

Why doesn't the right operate like that? Because they're better human beings than lemmings or rats.

 

Fixored.

 

[wiffleball 4,789]

Wrong. They voted against Bush and the Iraq war.

 

Before noon on Tuesday, the libs and the mainstream media they own put out numerous stories of voter fraud, intimidation, voting machine malfunctions, bla bla. What happened to all of these stories? The dems won so they dropped them . Had it been the other way around, all that you would hear now is that the repubs stole the election, voter intimadation, recounts, lawyers, bla bla. Why doesn't the right operate like that? Because they're better human beings.

 

Wiffleball, you said you a registered repub.....what a load of shiat.

 

 

We've already seen the Fox talking points and discussed them. It's horsecrap and in this day of google, it's pretty easy to see stories on either side. Check out the threads that shoot down the latest talking point. It's too lame and too tired to even get into herein.

 

And - Yep, still a registered Republican. And you can read above, that the Religous Right has a lot of theories about why they lost - and guess what? The war isn't their only reason stated. So, before you pretend to know what you're talking about, actually READ what 'they' ARE talking about.

 

And - I don't waste time with alia. Man up or get out.

 

nite all.

[FU Rude Rick 0]

We've already seen the Fox talking points and discussed them. It's horsecrap and in this day of google, it's pretty easy to see stories on either side. Check out the threads that shoot down the latest talking point. It's too lame and too tired to even get into herein.

 

And - Yep, still a registered Republican. And you can read above, that the Religous Right has a lot of theories about why they lost - and guess what? The war isn't their only reason stated. So, before you pretend to know what you're talking about, actually READ what 'they' ARE talking about.

 

And - I don't waste time with alia. Man up or get out.

 

nite all.

 

 

That's BS and you know it. I'm a conserative and don't give a fock about the "religious right."

 

Maybe someday I'll be like you and have 14,000 posts and meet my only friends on FF website....nah, I actually got a life.

 

I'm not gonna get out either douche. What are you gonna do about it?

[MDC 7,329]

Wrong. They voted against Bush and the Iraq war.

 

Before noon on Tuesday, the libs and the mainstream media they own put out numerous stories of voter fraud, intimidation, voting machine malfunctions, bla bla. What happened to all of these stories? The dems won so they dropped them . Had it been the other way around, all that you would hear now is that the repubs stole the election, voter intimadation, recounts, lawyers, bla bla. Why doesn't the right operate like that? Because they're better human beings.

 

That's nice, since so many of these kind-hearted Republicans will be looking for new jobs come January.

[Big Blue 06 195]

You are correct. The dems are a bunch of discombobulated whiners. Thanks for clearing that up.