Who Should Play Ohio State for the National Championship?

[spudwool 0]

It's like you're arguing that blue is the best color.

 

 

the SEC doesn't get the respect they deserve. Florida's schedule this year was BRUTAL! Florida with one loss is worth a LOT more than USC's one loss. USC would be an average team in the SEC. Vince Young would've been laughed at by the LB's in the SEC. they're as fast as him(Demeco Ryans, Ala). Not sure about Ohio St, but at least let the "other" best team(Fla) give them a shot at it. Florida deserves at least that much

 

I still think LSU is the best team in the country. More NFL talent there than anywhere.

 

Open your mind and look at the big picture, not just ESPN and who they want in the BcS game, so they can get their ratings

 

Yeeeeeeeeeeeee Haw. Ooooooh some random out of conference winning percentage, and stat about NFL players. Didn't know this was the Superbowl... although the attendance figure pretty much proves your point that the SEC is far superior.

 

I'm for a USC matchup, perhaps Florida, I've said. C'mon you were fishing with that good-ole-boy post, right...? Too funny if you were serious.

 

 

USC is over-rated. The most over-rated of ALL time is UT. Where's the yee-haw?

 

 

You're IGNORANT, no wonder you like USC!

 

I think LSU should play

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

You're IGNORANT, no wonder you like USC!

 

Jeezus, I still think you are fishing with this drivel, but if you read my posts regarding this subject...

I'm a Michigan fan -- but I'm objective, and I'm for USC (and starting to warm to the idea of Florida - if they beat Arkansas) getting the shot. And I hate USC (the pompous attitude), so yeah, I'm being objective here.

 

Your post just reminded me of one of those fools who calls in radio shows and does the stereotypical SEC dance. Funny as hell. And if ESPN wanted ratings -- Why wouldn't they want an SEC team since SEC teams set attendance records, and would thus have a greater fan base, right?

 

Good stuff, you're cracking me up.

[Trojan35 0]

You're IGNORANT, no wonder you like USC!

 

I think LSU should play

 

LSU doesn't deserve to go with 2 losses. Their SoS isn't that great either (11th, vs Florida's #1 and USC's #2). Get those high-school teams off the non-conf schedule... La-Lafayette? Tulane? please.

 

You can argue USC/Florida/Michigan, but LSU has no claim.

[spudwool 0]

LSU doesn't deserve to go with 2 losses. Their SoS isn't that great either (11th, vs Florida's #1 and USC's #2). Get those high-school teams off the non-conf schedule... La-Lafayette? Tulane? please.

 

You can argue USC/Florida/Michigan, but LSU has no claim.

 

I agree, I don't think LSU deserves to play with 2 losses, but I do think they are th best team in the country. I'd put them up against ANYONE and feel great taking the Tigers. They got screwed @ Auburn by blown calls, and beat themselves @ Fla, turning the ball over 5 times, Ouch.

 

That being said- It HAS to be FLORIDA/Ohio St., and I'll take Fla

 

LSU doesn't deserve to go with 2 losses. Their SoS isn't that great either (11th, vs Florida's #1 and USC's #2). Get those high-school teams off the non-conf schedule... La-Lafayette? Tulane? please.

 

You can argue USC/Florida/Michigan, but LSU has no claim.

 

And about the "high school" team comment, USC plays lots of high school teams, it's called the PAC-10. Every team in the country has one or two easy win games, but we have to go out of conference to get them. Big 12, ACC, Pac-10,Big10, they have their easy wins as IN conference games. Plus there San Diego Sts,UTEPs, Appalaichan St(beat big12 N champs, Colorado), etc...

 

Tulane is a regional rivalry w/ LSU that's been around for almost 100 years, a must play for the New Orleans people

 

Jeezus, I still think you are fishing with this drivel, but if you read my posts regarding this subject...

I'm a Michigan fan -- but I'm objective, and I'm for USC (and starting to warm to the idea of Florida - if they beat Arkansas) getting the shot. And I hate USC (the pompous attitude), so yeah, I'm being objective here.

 

Your post just reminded me of one of those fools who calls in radio shows and does the stereotypical SEC dance. Funny as hell. And if ESPN wanted ratings -- Why wouldn't they want an SEC team since SEC teams set attendance records, and would thus have a greater fan base, right?

 

Good stuff, you're cracking me up.

 

 

ESPN is finally starting to realize the SEC power, and realizes that a playoff is a GOLD mine waiting to happen. That's why there finally starting to cover the story. However, it's hard to fight the west coast and NE media darling teams-USC, OhioSt, UT.

 

I have a lot of respect for the Big 10, but ZERO for the BigXII, and almost none for the PAC-10. I think the SEC is #1, then Big10, and tied for 3rd, ACC/Big East. I'm just tired of seeing it all about the Pac-10 & Big XII

 

Bring on a playoff & watch the SEC DOMINATE!

[gatorbait7391 0]

Florida without a doubt! Assuming they win out.

 

The SEC has been the best conference in the land for the last 10 years. They've been screwed out of several opportunities to win natl championships. It's ridiculous

 

UT, USC, Ohio St, & Michigan are typical "media darlings". They would all have at least 2 losses if they played in the SEC. LSU is the best team in the country, too bad they had to play @ Auburn and @ Fla. You have to get up to play the biggest game of the year, EVERY weekend. Football in the South is life, and the athleticism and speed in the SEC is NFL caliber.

 

I would put the SEC winner against any undefeated team EVERY year, and can guarantee the SEC would win most of them.

 

I think its a real shame that they don't get the credit they deserve. If it weren't for all the BS hype about USC,UT, Ohio St,& Michigan, and we instead had a playoff, the SEC would have at least 5 natl championships in the last 10 years. The SEC is in another league.

 

STATS:

 

-the SEC has the highest winning % of any league in games out of conference games (.778)

-just for fun, the SEC has led the country in total attendance for 26 straight years.

-the SEC had the most players on opening day NFL rosters. 266. 2nd place was the ACC w/ 236. The SEC went 4-0 dominating the ACC this weekend, including UNRANKED S. Carolina beating #22 Clemson.

-5 SEC schools rank in the top 10 of schools with the most players in the NFL

-Since the BCS modified the format, the SEC is 7-1 in BCS games. Best in the country!

 

***And they dont EVER get a shot at the national championship?! RIDICULOUS!!!

Until there's a playoff, the National Championship will come from the SEC Championship game

 

 

Great post and nice stats! I agree 100%. Im glad all of you out their are not clueless

[jpcdds 26]

It's like you're arguing that blue is the best color.

 

 

It is...it beat 3 of the top 4 colors on the road...red, green and orange...and white at home

 

Yellow...it lost to an avg brown color yet jumped everyone in the polls including maroon...

 

White may be the second best color in the country...seeing it spanked gold on the road by a 27...and it's only loss was to blue on the road by 3....

 

If purple hadn't played 2 of the top 10 teams on the road...black and gray and lost....it would spank anyone right now....the crayola 64 is the best league in the country...it even comes withits own sharpener...look at the stats...

 

 

Actually the CBS...Color Bowl Series is a farse anyways....there should be a playoff...poor Pink is undefeated and can't even sniff the national title game....

[djrockstar 0]

 

I would put the SEC winner against any undefeated team EVERY year, and can guarantee the SEC would win most of them.

 

 

So, I'm a little confused .... are we talking about the same SEC?

 

2002 USC 24 - AUBURN 17

2003 USC 23 - AUBURN 0 (@ Auburn)

2005 USC 70 - ARKANSAS 17

2006 USC 50 - ARKANSAS 19 (@ Arkansas)

 

USC doesn't seem to be too afraid to schedule SEC teams almost every year.

[spudwool 0]

So, I'm a little confused .... are we talking about the same SEC?

 

2002 USC 24 - AUBURN 17

2003 USC 23 - AUBURN 0 (@ Auburn)

2005 USC 70 - ARKANSAS 17

2006 USC 50 - ARKANSAS 19 (@ Arkansas)

 

USC doesn't seem to be too afraid to schedule SEC teams almost every year.

 

 

they played 1 a year. That was USC's Super Bowl. Try playing 5 teams in the top 10 in the same conference 4 weeks in row, on the road.

 

'02-good game

'03-LSU NATIONAL CHAMPS & Auburn didn't meet expectations, brutal schedule

'04 Auburn National Champs

'05-Arkansas Sucks

'06-Arkansas still sucks, and played W/O McFadden, QB, and 2 DL

 

LSU beat ARIZONA by 40, USC by 3...what's your point? We can do this ALL day!

 

USC & Pac-10 over-rated, west coast media darlings, who would get crushed by the big boys of teh SEC

[nobody 2,673]

-just for fun, the SEC has led the country in total attendance for 26 straight years.

-the SEC had the most players on opening day NFL rosters. 266. 2nd place was the ACC w/ 236.

 

These two are a little misleading since the SEC is one of the biggest conference.

[djrockstar 0]

they played 1 a year. That was USC's Super Bowl. Try playing 5 teams in the top 10 in the same conference 4 weeks in row, on the road.

 

'02-good game

'03-LSU NATIONAL CHAMPS & Auburn didn't meet expectations, brutal schedule

'04 Auburn National Champs

'05-Arkansas Sucks

'06-Arkansas still sucks, and played W/O McFadden, QB, and 2 DL

 

LSU beat ARIZONA by 40, USC by 3...what's your point? We can do this ALL day!

 

USC & Pac-10 over-rated, west coast media darlings, who would get crushed by the big boys of teh SEC

 

Hilarious. Considering USC has scheduled good SEC teams into their schedule and beat them I figured it would garner a modicum of respect, considering your argument for SEC's total dominance.

 

For the record, I don't think Florida is bad. They're very good and are probably as deserving as USC to get a shot at OSU. The SEC is a fantastic conference. But those truths doesn't automatically make everyone else terrible. I think that's what your argument comes off sounding like.

 

FYI ... No way Auburn could ever be considered 2004 National Champs. You don't schedule Citadel, Louisiana Tech and University of Louisiana (Monroe) as your non-conference games and then complain that you don't get any respect at the end of the year. Especially after USC beat up on Oklahoma 55-19. That's just silly.

[nobody 2,673]

they played 1 a year. That was USC's Super Bowl.

 

Can't argue with that. Playing an SEC team in the beginning of the year is a much bigger deal than playing for the national championship.

[Trojan35 0]

Can't argue with that. Playing an SEC team in the beginning of the year is a much bigger deal than playing for the national championship.

[spudwool 0]

Florida without a doubt! Assuming they win out.

 

The SEC has been the best conference in the land for the last 10 years. They've been screwed out of several opportunities to win natl championships. It's ridiculous

 

UT, USC, Ohio St, & Michigan are typical "media darlings". They would all have at least 2 losses if they played in the SEC. LSU is the best team in the country, too bad they had to play @ Auburn and @ Fla. You have to get up to play the biggest game of the year, EVERY weekend. Football in the South is life, and the athleticism and speed in the SEC is NFL caliber.

 

I would put the SEC winner against any undefeated team EVERY year, and can guarantee the SEC would win most of them.

 

I think its a real shame that they don't get the credit they deserve. If it weren't for all the BS hype about USC,UT, Ohio St,& Michigan, and we instead had a playoff, the SEC would have at least 5 natl championships in the last 10 years. The SEC is in another league.

 

STATS:

 

-the SEC has the highest winning % of any league in games out of conference games (.778)

-just for fun, the SEC has led the country in total attendance for 26 straight years.

-the SEC had the most players on opening day NFL rosters. 266. 2nd place was the ACC w/ 236. The SEC went 4-0 dominating the ACC this weekend, including UNRANKED S. Carolina beating #22 Clemson.

-5 SEC schools rank in the top 10 of schools with the most players in the NFL

-Since the BCS modified the format, the SEC is 7-1 in BCS games. Best in the country!

 

***And they dont EVER get a shot at the national championship?! RIDICULOUS!!!

Until there's a playoff, the National Championship will come from the SEC Championship game

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

Most of your little stats are not germane to this national championship discussion -- NFL players, attendance, etc. How is that even relevant??? Last I checked the NCAA championship is decided by a bunch of players IN COLLEGE.

 

If I have time, I'll dig up some useless stats... and pretend they make logical sense.

[natyb22 0]

IMO I think it's retarded for anyone to say Michigan doesn't deserve to be in the national title game. I mean think about it, USC lost to OREGON ###### STATE!!! Michigan lost to the #1 team in the country. If Michigan still had games left on their schedule they would still be #2 and would be in the championship but instead they are done and since USC beat Notre Dame and will beat UCLA they will go to the title game and while it might be a good game it will be a fraud. ###### THE BCS EVERYONE KNOWS IT SHOULD BE A PLAYOFF!

[TonyB1972 1]

Michigan probably played Cent Mich or whoever it was due to political pressure. I know OSU plays a instate team every year. Usually a MAC team, and they rotate it. Schools instate were upset because any game against a top school is a good revenue maker and they felt slighted. So I imagine Michigan does the same thing.

 

 

Michigan may be the second best team, but I think they had their shot, fair or not that it was at OSU. I think USC is the better choice than Florida. You schedule argument gets kinda lost with Florida when they schedule a division 2 school to play imo. I just think USC has been more impressive this year.

 

 

As for a bias against the SEC, I don't really see it where I am from. If anywhere gets biased in the midwest/western part of the east, its the west coast. Maybe not USC, but the other schools out there we don't ever see them play. I always hear how the SEC is good, and back in the 90s all anyone could talk about was the three Florida teams and how athletic they were etc... This is purely from a media standpoint in this part of the country.

 

 

Ohio State is finally getting some poll recognition, I thought they were ranked a little high in the preseason after losing so many players. Notre Dame, people make jokes that they can lose and jump in the polls. If you have been doing good, you get a positive vibe and people give you the benefit of the doubt. Which I think OSU got this year in pre-season rankings. Notre Dame has a history and people aren't willing to forget it. Same with USC. The Florida 3 use to get the same respect and benefit, then they kinda hit on hard times, and they still got it...I think its been used up and its time to rebuild it. Maybe its not fair, but I am talking about my perspective on how the polls work a lot of the time. In the 90s it wasn't uncommon that all 3 Florida teams would be in the top 10, so even when they would come off of bad years, people would say, well they got talent and will reload for this year.

 

 

The same arguments you state about the SEC, I use to say about the Big Ten all the time. We use to never get respect, it was labeled a confrence that was stuck in the past and just ran the ball and beat up on each other, and then when they played the west coast and southern teams they would get beat by speed. I would say for a couple years it was true, but that bias stuck with the people voting in the polls well after it was not true. The past and prejudices go against or for you, till you make people see its wrong.

 

 

I would love to see a playoff of like 12 teams. I think 8 would cause too many complaints, hell even 16 if it was feasible. If you not ranked in the top 12-16, then you probably dont have much claim to being the top team.

[JT 137]

they played 1 a year. That was USC's Super Bowl. Try playing 5 teams in the top 10 in the same conference 4 weeks in row, on the road.

 

'02-good game

'03-LSU NATIONAL CHAMPS & Auburn didn't meet expectations, brutal schedule

'04 Auburn National Champs

'05-Arkansas Sucks

'06-Arkansas still sucks, and played W/O McFadden, QB, and 2 DL

 

LSU beat ARIZONA by 40, USC by 3...what's your point? We can do this ALL day!

 

USC & Pac-10 over-rated, west coast media darlings, who would get crushed by the big boys of teh SEC

 

last year's bowls, PAC 10 went 3-2, SEC 3-3. Both lagged behind the ACC. Georgia, a prohibitive favorite, got whipped by West Va from the Big East, a conference that came in being trashed by all the experts.

 

You gripe about USC being media darlings? Hell, half the east coast doesn't even see their games. Over-rated? Seems like they've beaten all cmoers a lot more consistently than any other team from any other conference. And no, I'm not a USC fan. Big XII country, Rutgers alum.

 

Every year people claim that they "know" which teams and conferences are best, and rarely are they right. So the system is what it is, it's the same for everyone, and everyone knows it coming into the season.

 

 

I would love to see a playoff of like 12 teams. I think 8 would cause too many complaints, hell even 16 if it was feasible. If you not ranked in the top 12-16, then you probably dont have much claim to being the top team.

 

Never happen. Eight is the most you'll ever see, and six is more likely.

 

IMO I think it's retarded for anyone to say Michigan doesn't deserve to be in the national title game. I mean think about it, USC lost to OREGON ###### STATE!!! Michigan lost to the #1 team in the country. If Michigan still had games left on their schedule they would still be #2 and would be in the championship but instead they are done and since USC beat Notre Dame and will beat UCLA they will go to the title game and while it might be a good game it will be a fraud. ###### THE BCS EVERYONE KNOWS IT SHOULD BE A PLAYOFF!

 

Tell it to the Big 10, which doesn't have a championship game so it's top teams don't run the risk of a high-profile, late season loss.

 

It'd be great if they did have a championship game. Then Michigan could win and we could hear everyone yell about how they're undoubtedly the two best teams and deserve a three-peat.

[Lions_or_Die 0]

Strength of Schedule truly means nothing in college football. How can you compare Florida's strength of schedule to that of Michigan's or USC's? Michigan beat Vanderbilt 27-7 at Michigan and Florida barely held on to beat Vandy 25-19 at Vandy. USC beat Arkansas 50-14 at USC, Florida lost to Auburn, Auburn lost to Arkansas and LSU to both Auburn and Florida on the road. And USC lost to Oregon State.

 

All that said really means nothing until the teams play. I have watched a couple of SEC games this year and those games were physical. I am hearing rumors of a Michigan/LSU matchup in a BCS Bowl. That sounds great to me if USC wins this week against UCLA. A Michigan/Florida or Arkansas game would be alright too.

 

Back to SoS. It doesn't really tell us anything when there are so many teams that don't play each other.

[Laurence Maroney's Nuts 2]

Every year people claim that they "know" which teams and conferences are best, and rarely are they right. So the system is what it is, it's the same for everyone, and everyone knows it coming into the season.

Never happen. Eight is the most you'll ever see, and six is more likely.

 

How is a 6 team playoff even possible??? Just curious.

[t.j 35]

You schedule argument gets kinda lost with Florida when they schedule a division 2 school to play imo.

 

That's ridiculous. That game was the 13th-hardest game on Florida's schedule. USC only plays 12 games! Just ignore the damn Western Carolina game, it's not like it was close or anything.

[Moss 0]

That's ridiculous. That game was the 13th-hardest game on Florida's schedule. USC only plays 12 games! Just ignore the damn Western Carolina game, it's not like it was close or anything.

 

I for one find it hard to annoint someone a shot at the championship if they schedule I-AA teams. True Michigan plays a MAC team every year, and USC is in the PAC-10, but both are better than Western Carolina. And for the record they schedule 12 games, the 13th is a conf championship.

 

I also find it ridiculus all this talk of a bias against the SEC. How is it 5 teams get ranked in the preseason top 25 every year and the conference is underrated? The Big 10 is lucky to get 3 in the preseason polls (Yes, I'm from the midwest). The SEC is always overhyped as being the best conference.

 

The big issue here of course is the need for a playoff. I don't think anyone could make the argument against putting Michigan in the title game based on numbers alone, being that they lost to the #1 team in the country by 3, in Columbus, and no other team is undefeated. Of course, all we hear from the pundits how "they had their shot" and "no one wants to see a rematch" or analysis of projected TV ratings, neither of which is relevant if the issue is seeing the BEST 2 teams play for the title. Unfortunately, that's not the case in college football, which is why we have this silly system in the first place.

 

Of course, putting Michigan in the title game will probably illicit protest from the West Coast media and SEC diehards, who can each make the case for their own representative, regardless if USC lost to an unranked team, and Florida squeeked by S. Carolina and Vandy, two teams worthy of MAC status, and they would be entirely justified in doing so. The point is this: putting or not putting Michigan in the title game is equally defensible and equally deplorable, the only way out is a playoff, and the only way that will ever happen is if the fans demand it.

 

I for one will be enjoying the bowl games this year. However, I WILL NOT WATCH A SINGLE BCS GAME.

I encourage everyone else to do the same.

[t.j 35]

I for one find it hard to annoint someone a shot at the championship if they schedule I-AA teams. True Michigan plays a MAC team every year, and USC is in the PAC-10, but both are better than Western Carolina. And for the record they schedule 12 games, the 13th is a conf championship.

 

Yes, I realize that the 13th game is the conference championship. Any SEC team knows that if they are going to be in the running for the national championship, they are going to have to play in (and win) that SEC Championship game. So it's a really big stretch to make a big deal out of that 13th game.

 

I also find it ridiculus all this talk of a bias against the SEC. How is it 5 teams get ranked in the preseason top 25 every year and the conference is underrated? The Big 10 is lucky to get 3 in the preseason polls (Yes, I'm from the midwest). The SEC is always overhyped as being the best conference.

 

I don't know that there's bias against the SEC. But when it comes down to human pollsters analyzing the games of the top national contenders, they don't really give the SEC teams credit for having played against real defenses in conference games, when the scoring is lower than for a Pac 10 team like USC. Is the SEC respected? Yes. But on an individual level, are any of the SEC teams media darlings like USC is? Absolutely not. Listening to various national radio and TV shows this week, Pete Carroll is everywhere. I've only seen or heard Urban Meyer on Point After, which all the major coaches are on (including Carroll). Mel Kiper was on ESPN radio last night yapping about USC and Michigan and didn't even mention Florida. Granted, it's Mel Kiper, but it's the same story with a lot of the other pundits as well.

 

The big issue here of course is the need for a playoff.

 

I agree with that.

 

Of course, putting Michigan in the title game will probably illicit protest from the West Coast media and SEC diehards, who can each make the case for their own representative, regardless if USC lost to an unranked team, and Florida squeeked by S. Carolina and Vandy, two teams worthy of MAC status,

 

MAC status? Please. South Carolina is better than Washington State, who USC squeaked by, and Vandy is better than Washington and Ball State, who USC and Michigan squeaked by (respectively).

[JT 137]

How is a 6 team playoff even possible??? Just curious.

 

1 & 2 get a bye. Games reseeded after the first round. Just one of the proposals the NCAA has supposedly considered.

[t.j 35]

1 & 2 get a bye. Games reseeded after the first round. Just one of the proposals the NCAA has supposedly considered.

 

I don't like it. Why should the 1 & 2 teams get a bye? If they're the two best teams, they should have no trouble handling 7 & 8 on a neutral field.

[nobody 2,673]

They probably considered 6 teams to limit the number of Bowl games to 5 so they could utilize the 4 normal bowls plus the "BCS championship" Which is basically just Fiesta Bowl II or whatever.

[shovelheadt 71]

So I think we're all in agreement then....OSU is far and away the best team in the nation.

[Chiefs04 0]

They probably considered 6 teams to limit the number of Bowl games to 5 so they could utilize the 4 normal bowls plus the "BCS championship" Which is basically just Fiesta Bowl II or whatever.

 

You are correct sir...

[Torque666 0]

Having just moved to Madison, I'm used to hearing the "Wisconsin is getting no respect" BS. I have but 4 things to say:

Bowling Green

Western Illinois

SD State

Buffalo

 

To be considered the best, you need to at least play the best. UW is the big 10 equivalent of Kansas State.

 

I wonder what excuse the wisconsin haters will have once they shove the ###### football down the throat of whoever they draw in the bowl game. I wish it was possible for USC to lose to UCLA and have to play wisconsin, then we would have ths spin docters out in force, just like last year when they thumped auburn.

 

Thier shcedual is always soft, and that was due to barry sheltering his program, always citing the rigors of a big ten season. Cant say i was a fan, but /shrug , they beat them all down. Next season wisconsin has pretty much every starter on offense and defense coming back. Pluss they play washington State, mich,OSU and PSU. But all the anti wisconsin clowns will ney say on some ###### while slobbing all over USC.

[DA BALLHOG 0]

UNC!

[Torque666 0]

USC = 2 loses to unranked teams in one season, how good are they now ??