Lj vs. Gore vs. Addai vs. Westbrook at #3...Who wins in Keeper PPR format?

[Vanillarainstorm 0]

My draft is a few hours away and I'm really having a hard time with this #3 pick. Logic says LJ, but there's questions there. It is a PPR so Westbrook and Addai are enticing. Then you throw in Gore, who's a beast, but has an injury history.

 

I'm really thinking to do what I can to trade down figuring I can still get one of these guys and get a nice pick as well.

 

This is a Keeper League so I'm looking to commit to a guy for 3 years

 

Thoughts?

 

 

And another question to those who have done Keeper Leagues before...

 

Say you trade with someone prior to the draft. Let's say he trades you his first rounder along with his second round pick to move up. Now you have 2 2nd round picks. Are you only allowed to keep one of the 2nd rounders the following year?

[HenryChinaski 1]

Addai, hands down.

 

Should catch almost as many passes as Westy, is about 5 years younger, has more TD potential, and is in a better offense.

 

LJ is getting older, his team is getting worse, and so is his o-line.

 

Shouldn't be any question.

 

Addai might put up 2000 total yards, 18-20 TDs, with about 50 receptions. For the next 5 years.

 

It's not even close.

[hardball 0]

I like Gore

[Me_2006 14]

Addai. Plain and simple.

 

He could very well be the best of all of them this year, and is the youngest of the bunch by far, with far less carries on him than LJ, and a far better injury history than the others. Throw in the best offense and no real threat behind him on the depth chart, and you've got yourself a keeper stud.

 

 

As for your other question, I suppose it varies from league to league, but I would assume you can keep any players on your roster, for whatever they may cost to keep, regardless of how many you have in a certain round. Otherwise, trading picks wouldn't make much sense to me.

[RedzoneMonster 107]

Gore or Addai hands down. I say Gore b/c he is on a team that is getting better and alreday put up great stats last year. He is a beast out of the backfeild as well. He is like Tiki, only with more ability to knock defenders on thier *sses.

[Vanillarainstorm 0]

I'd love to grab Gore or Addai a little lower. Hopefully I can get a deal done. Every year one of the can't miss "studs" doesn't live up to expectations. For weeks I thought that LJ was going to be that guy. I just didn't like his situation. Now I'm picking 3rd and it's really hard to pass up on this guy. He's a monster, but I hate his team, and his attitude kinda sucks. I'd just hate to see him do to Dallas or Green Bay next year and be awesome

[HenryChinaski 1]

Also, what about Bush.

 

In a keeper PPR format, I would also stronly consider Reggie Bush.

 

After LT and Steven Jackson go first and second, for me, it would be between Bush and Addai.

 

As of right now, I would probably pick Addai -- But it is VERY close.

 

Bush really went off towards the end of last year, and he will just get better. He scored 8 TDs in the last 8 Reg. season games. The Saints will continue to get better, along with Brees and Colston -- Reggie will be dominate right along with them.

 

But like I said, I would lean towards Addai, for reasons stated previously, but it is very close.

 

IMO Bush and Addai would be head and shoulders above anyone else other than SJax and LT2, considering the fact that it is a PPR Keeper league.

[Vanillarainstorm 0]

Addai was a guy that I was really wanting, but thought 3rd was too high. But it's taking chances and going with your gut that can really set you apart from a guy who holds so tight to the past, and projections that never seem to differ from website to website, or mag to mag...

 

 

Thanks for the great feedback guys

[HenryChinaski 1]

Addai was a guy that I was really wanting, but thought 3rd was too high. But it's taking chances and going with your gut that can really set you apart from a guy who holds so tight to the past, and projections that never seem to differ from website to website, or mag to mag...

Thanks for the great feedback guys

 

Third is really not too high.

 

FF Index has him as the 5 best RB, but that's for a redraft league.

 

As a keeper, he passes up LJ and probably even Gore.

 

As a keeper and PPR, he passes those guys way up.

 

Don't worry about what people think is a reach, or anything like that.

 

If anyone thinks Addai is a reach at that position, in that kind of league -- well they will just be easy competition.

 

Let them pick a RB who is almost all dried up. That's their problem.

[Me_2006 14]

Third is really not too high.

 

FF Index has him as the 5 best RB, but that's for a redraft league.

 

As a keeper, he passes up LJ and probably even Gore.

 

As a keeper and PPR, he passes those guys way up.

 

Don't worry about what people think is a reach, or anything like that.

 

If anyone thinks Addai is a reach at that position, in that kind of league -- well they will just be easy competition.

 

Let them pick a RB who is almost all dried up. That's their problem.

 

 

 

[Vanillarainstorm 0]

I hope Henry isn't Addai in disguise... haha. Thanks for your help man. You opened my eyes to a few things

[HenryChinaski 1]

I hope Henry isn't Addai in disguise... haha. Thanks for your help man. You opened my eyes to a few things

 

Well I also said that I would consider Reggie Bush...

[Vanillarainstorm 0]

Yeah I like Bush. But I'm not sold on him as a runner yet, and Deuce is still gonna take a lot of reps

[Bgards79 0]

Third is really not too high.

 

FF Index has him as the 5 best RB, but that's for a redraft league.

 

As a keeper, he passes up LJ and probably even Gore.

 

As a keeper and PPR, he passes those guys way up.

 

Don't worry about what people think is a reach, or anything like that.

 

If anyone thinks Addai is a reach at that position, in that kind of league -- well they will just be easy competition.

 

Let them pick a RB who is almost all dried up. That's their problem.

 

Do you think he is worth #3 in a re-draft, no PPR league?

[HenryChinaski 1]

Do you think he is worth #3 in a re-draft, no PPR league?

 

It's close. I would consider him...

 

It would be between Addai and Frank Gore.

 

Very close call.

 

I think the 49ers are really a team making the right moves, I think Alex Smith looks like he will be pretty good. I think Vernon Davis has showed alot of potential, also I believe that he really comes into his own this year.

 

The only thing, and I mean the only thing that worries me about Frank Gore -- is that he has 2 surgically reconstructed knees. But when the guy was healthy @ Miami, they said he was even better than McGahee and Portis. And that is saying something. He proved it last year for averaging over 5 yards a carry -- on a team that didn't have the best passing threat. I know Gore only scored 9 TDs last year, but I think that was pretty much an abberation. I think he will be in the range of 15 this year, especially since I feel like they will have a better offense as whole. Especially with the addition of Darrell Jackson.

 

As for Addai.. I've been watching him for years. I'm from New Orleans, so I got to watch Addai the whole time that he was @ LSU. He always was the entire package. Blocking, running inside, outside, pass catching, whatever they wanted him to do. The only thing was, was that LSU was so stacked with talent, especially at running back, that they were always rotating their backs in and out. But his talent was still very obvious.

 

With the Indy offense as dynamic as it is, and with no real threat to steal carries away from him, barring no injury, I could really see Addai putting up a season very similar to what Steven Jackson did last year in St, Louis. VERY similar.

 

So it's a toss up. It would probably basically come down to their team's schedule, and maybe even the teams that they would play during the fantasy playoffs. That's how close it is.

 

The thing that seperates them in the Keeper league, is the fact of Frank Gore's knees. It was told to me once that he is a 20 something guy, playing in a 30 something guy's body. Which made sense to me.

 

Hope that answers your question.

[MTSkiBum 1,620]

Do you think he is worth #3 in a re-draft, no PPR league?

no, keeper format and PPR is what raises Addai's value from 5-6 to 3-4

[HenryChinaski 1]

no, keeper format and PPR is what raises Addai's value from 5-6 to 3-4

 

Why?

[himmystyles 30]

no, keeper format and PPR is what raises Addai's value from 5-6 to 3-4

 

 

In a non - keeper, PPR format with these rules:

 

Pa2P - Passing Two-point Conversion 2 points

PaInt - Passing Interception -2 points

PaTD - Passing TD 6 points

PaYd - Passing Yards 0+ PaYds = 1 point for every 25 PaYds

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 300+ PaYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 350+ PaYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 400+ PaYd

 

Re2P - Receiving Two-point Conversion 2 points

ReTD - Receiving TD 6 points

ReYd - Receiving Yards 0+ ReYds = 1 point for every 10 ReYds

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 100+ ReYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 150+ ReYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 200+ ReYd

 

Recpt - Reception 1 point

Ru2P - Rushing Two-point Conversion 2 points

RuTD - Rushing TD 6 points

RuYd - Rushing Yards 0+ RuYds = 1 point for every 10 RuYds

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 100+ RuYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 150+ RuYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 200+ RuYd

 

Is it still a toss-up between Gore and Addai?

[Vanillarainstorm 0]

I'm trying to move down to 5 so I don't have to decide between 3 guys I like. I prolly won't be successful...

 

It's between Addai and Gore right now

[HenryChinaski 1]

In a non - keeper, PPR format with these rules:

 

Pa2P - Passing Two-point Conversion 2 points

PaInt - Passing Interception -2 points

PaTD - Passing TD 6 points

PaYd - Passing Yards 0+ PaYds = 1 point for every 25 PaYds

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 300+ PaYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 350+ PaYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 400+ PaYd

 

Re2P - Receiving Two-point Conversion 2 points

ReTD - Receiving TD 6 points

ReYd - Receiving Yards 0+ ReYds = 1 point for every 10 ReYds

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 100+ ReYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 150+ ReYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 200+ ReYd

 

Recpt - Reception 1 point

Ru2P - Rushing Two-point Conversion 2 points

RuTD - Rushing TD 6 points

RuYd - Rushing Yards 0+ RuYds = 1 point for every 10 RuYds

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 100+ RuYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 150+ RuYd

Plus a 5 point bonus @ 200+ RuYd

 

Is it still a toss-up between Gore and Addai?

 

 

Nope, Addai gets the nod.

 

Addai had 40 receptions last year, while playing part-time. Add that in with Rhodes' 36 catches, that would be 76 out of the starting running backs. Add in another year of experience within the offense for Addai, and I don't see why he couldn't put up 80+ catches.

 

That's why I said -- 06 Steven Jackson numbers.

 

Gore will have a great season, he also will catch plenty of passes. BUT, Addai's scoring potential is so much more. Like I said, I expect Gore to get about 15 TDs, which is great. But I also expect Addai to pull in around 20 - which makes all the difference in the world.

[HenryChinaski 1]

I'm trying to move down to 5 so I don't have to decide between 3 guys I like. I prolly won't be successful...

 

It's between Addai and Gore right now

 

I wouldn't count on Addai being there at 5. Gore and Addai might very well go 3 and 4.

 

Seems like you are planning on a owner taking Larry Johnson over those two guys.

 

I don't think you get it.

 

Larry Johnson is looking like a hold out, Kansas City doesn't want to pay him, Kansas City is a team on the decline, they might even have a rookie starting at QB. Larry Johnson is also 27 years old.

 

Addai plays on the best offense in the NFL, has the best QB in the NFL, plays for the returning Super Bowl Champs, and is only 24 years old.

 

Twenty-Four.

 

He will be playing at a high level for a long, long time.

[Vanillarainstorm 0]

My thinking was that it would be hard for 2 owners 2 pass up on LJ. There's people out there that still love this guy.

[Vanillarainstorm 0]

do u think glenn's retirement could harm the o-line, even though ugoh was thought to be the eventual replacement anyway?

[HenryChinaski 1]

My thinking was that it would be hard for 2 owners 2 pass up on LJ. There's people out there that still love this guy.

 

 

But it's a KEEPER LEAGUE. The guy is 27.

 

He has alot of wear on his body. Everyone knows that.

 

The purpose of a keeper league is to set yourself up for the future. Not just this year.

 

That's why people will be targeting Addai, Bush, Gore, Steven Jackson -- because they will have the best of both worlds. Win now. and win later.

 

Unless you play with a bunch of clowns, I wouldn't count on it.

 

But hey, do what you want.

 

But I tend to know what I'm talking about....

[HenryChinaski 1]

do u think glenn's retirement could harm the o-line, even though ugoh was thought to be the eventual replacement anyway?

 

Yeah it will hurt them. But how much, remains to be seen.

 

Their running game is predicated on Manning's passing game. As long as Peyton Manning, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne still play on the team -- their running game will be just fine.

 

I can't say that it won't hurt them. But they weren't a power running team anyway.

 

They will still put up awesome numbers, regardless.

[Vanillarainstorm 0]

Well Addai is who I'm rolling with. Gore is on the tip of my tongue, but Addai wins out... LJ is too much of a risk. Thanks for your input guys, special kudos to Henry...