Dan 62 Posted January 11, 2008 edjr had a thread regarding the success of potent passing games. A note or two is worthwhile. I didn't hear the specific radio program to which you listened, but this is fact: It's not teams that you should be looking at. The #1 offense has won before. The #1 passing team has won before. The league yardage leader has never won the Super Bowl. Kurt Warner did not lead the league in passing yards the year the Rams won. Steve Beuerlein did. Just saying . . . Another interesting note, for those of you looking at such things. It is not historically a good thing to break the scoring record in a season. Haven't gone back terribly far, but breaking that record has not ended in a Super Bowl victory since at least the 70s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted January 11, 2008 All of those are interesting stats. It would also be interesting to see the success of teams that lead the league in point differential. The Patriots set that record this year as well. Of course, the other important thing to remember is "Past performance is not necessarily indicative of future results" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,578 Posted January 11, 2008 I heard it on the radio, I think I misheard it. I think they said since 1999, which to me is meaningless. Bert corrected me and I said I was going to delete the thread for being wrong. The 1999 Rams lead the NFL in passing and won the superbowl. Many teams have lead the NFL in points and won the superbowl. It is a fact that this century to MVP of the NFL has won the superbowl, but that's pretty meaningless too. Also, I was checking total points scored in the entire nfl scored this year. 11104 I checked back to the 80's and the next highest I saw was 10500, I saw some as low as 8000 though. Pretty interesting Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,578 Posted January 11, 2008 edjr had a thread regarding the success of potent passing games. A note or two is worthwhile. I didn't hear the specific radio program to which you listened, but this is fact: It's not teams that you should be looking at. The #1 offense has won before. The #1 passing team has won before. The league yardage leader has never won the Super Bowl. Kurt Warner did not lead the league in passing yards the year the Rams won. Steve Beuerlein did. Just saying . . . Another interesting note, for those of you looking at such things. It is not historically a good thing to break the scoring record in a season. Haven't gone back terribly far, but breaking that record has not ended in a Super Bowl victory since at least the 70s. Oh, that is what I heard, it wasn't the team, it was the QB. I didn't mishear, I mistyped. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Patriotsfatboy1 1,432 Posted January 11, 2008 BTW - Check point differential. I have not gone through everything, but - 2006 Colts did not lead in PD (Ravens did) - 2005 Steelers did not lead in PD - 2004 Patriots did lead in PD - 2003 Patriots did not lead in PD - 2002 Bucs did not lead in PD - 2001 Patriots did not lead in PD - 2000 Ravens did not lead in PD So, in the last 7 years, only one team leading in point differential won the SB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 62 Posted January 11, 2008 Many teams have lead the NFL in points and won the superbowl. Yes, but my specific reference was to record breakers. The Vikings broke the scoring record and flopped before the Super Bowl. The Redskins set the scoring record and were promptly thumped in the Super Bowl. I think they are the only two teams to break the record since 1980. Semantics, but fun to dig up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
edjr 6,578 Posted January 11, 2008 Yes, but my specific reference was to record breakers. The Vikings broke the scoring record and flopped before the Super Bowl. The Redskins set the scoring record and were promptly thumped in the Super Bowl. I think they are the only two teams to break the record since 1980. Semantics, but fun to dig up. I wasn't refuting what you found, just that when I looked, a lot of teams that lead the league in points, won the superbowl. I agree it is fun to dig this stuff up, you're better at it than I am. keep up the good work. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 11, 2008 It's not teams that you should be looking at. The #1 offense has won before. The #1 passing team has won before. The league yardage leader has never won the Super Bowl. Kurt Warner did not lead the league in passing yards the year the Rams won. Steve Beuerlein did. Just saying . . . Dan, I don't understand. You are saying that the player that led the league in passing yardage has not won the Super Bowl before? If that's what you're saying, I'm not sure why you'd expect any individual statistic to correlate to Super Bowl wins anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dan 62 Posted January 11, 2008 Dan, I don't understand. You are saying that the player that led the league in passing yardage has not won the Super Bowl before? If that's what you're saying, I'm not sure why you'd expect any individual statistic to correlate to Super Bowl wins anyway. I'm not suggesting a correlation. Just an interesting statistic that has come up. But yes, that is what I'm saying. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PatsFanatic 0 Posted January 11, 2008 Take a look at the top teams in NFL history in terms of point differential (one of the records the Pats broke). Almost all the top teams won the SB the same year with few exceptions. I've posted it before but I don't have time to do it right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
krokus 0 Posted January 11, 2008 from a Greg Easterbrook article: When Being No. 1 Isn't a Good Thing Year QB Team Yards Result 2007 Tom Brady Patriots 4806 ??? 2006 Drew Brees Saints 4418 Lost NFC championship 2005 Tom Brady Patriots 4110 Lost division round 2004 Daunte Culpepper Vikings 4717 Lost division round 2003 Peyton Manning Colts 4267 Lost AFC championship 2002 Rich Gannon Raiders 4689 Lost Super Bowl 2001 Kurt Warner Rams 4830 Lost Super Bowl 2000 Peyton Manning Colts 4413 Lost wild card 1999 Steve Beuerlein Panthers 4436 Missed playoffs 1998 Brett Favre Packers 4212 Lost wild card 1997 Jeff George Raiders 3917 Missed playoffs 1996 Mark Brunell Jaguars 4367 Lost AFC championship 1995 Brett Favre Packers 4413 Lost NFC championship 1994 Drew Bledsoe Patriots 4555 Lost wild card 1993 John Elway Broncos 4030 Lost wild card 1992 Dan Marino Dolphins 4116 Lost AFC championship 1991 Warren Moon Oilers 4690 Lost division round 1990 Warren Moon Oilers 4689 Lost wild card 1989 Don Majkowski Packers 4318 Missed playoffs 1988 Dan Marino Dolphins 4434 Missed playoffs 1987 Neil Lomax Cardinals 3387 Missed playoffs 1986 Dan Marino Dolphins 4746 Missed playoffs 1985 Dan Marino Dolphins 4137 Lost AFC championship 1984 Dan Marino Dolphins 5084 Lost Super Bowl 1983 Lynn Dickey Packers 4458 Missed playoffs 1982 Dan Fouts Chargers 2883 Lost division round 1981 Dan Fouts Chargers 4802 Lost AFC championship 1980 Dan Fouts Chargers 4715 Lost AFC championship 1979 Dan Fouts Chargers 4082 Lost division round 1978 Fran Tarkenton Vikings 3468 Lost division round 1977 Joe Ferguson Bills 2803 Missed playoffs 1976 Bert Jones Colts 3104 Lost division round 1975 Ken Anderson Bengals 3169 Lost division round 1974 Ken Anderson Bengals 2667 Missed playoffs 1973 Roman Gabriel Eagles 3219 Missed playoffs 1972 Joe Namath Jets 2816 Missed playoffs 1971 John Hadl Chargers 3075 Missed playoffs 1970 John Brodie 49ers 2941 Lost NFC championship 1969 Daryle Lamonica Raiders 3302 Lost AFL championship 1968 John Hadl Chargers 3473 Missed playoffs 1967 Joe Namath Jets 4007 Missed playoffs 1966 Joe Namath Jets 3379 Missed playoffs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted January 11, 2008 Meh. The vast majority of teams in that group did not even get a bye for the playoffs. Among those that did: -the 2002 Raiders only went 11-5 -the 2001 Rams were the only team within the last 20 years that had home field advantage. They lost the Super Bowl by 3 -the 1992 Dolphins were one of four 11-5 teams in the AFC that year -the 1984 and 1985 Dolphins - both years the Super Bowl was won by a 15-1 team -the 1980 Chargers were one of five 11-5 teams in the AFC that year -the 1979 Chargers went 12-4 and lost to an 11-5 team -I didn't go back further than that Out of that entire group, there's only one team that I would put as being near the 2007 Patriots company in the regular season, the Rams, and they came pretty darn close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
