Moz Singman - trade

[The Moz 72]

Moz trades Young and Torrain to Singman for Dwayne Bowe and I scrub I drop shortly.

 

 

While that combo could have gotten me more after a few games it could of also gotten nothing as well. Bowe is that top 15-20 I wanted with nice upside to be better.

[jocstrap 8]

What a focking joke. You raped his azzs and I know you are smiling. Send out 50 trade emails and one chump has to bite. focking salesman that bugs your azzs until you say I DO. I just didn't say I DO on all those B.S. offers for a stud WR.

 

Singman, I have 1 question for you....WTF is your reasoning behind one of the most lopsided trades in the history of my leagueism in MFFL participation.

 

Moz - +10 in trading guruism

 

Singman - .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

0001 in trading guruism.

[The Moz 72]

Bowe is an all world Stud I guess after his 70-900-5 season?

 

Won't lie I like my end here - I wasn't really going to trade untill preseason then he threw a offer out there I countered.

 

Truth be told Young could very well have a great season and Bowe a sophmore flop both have risks - Bowe has a terrible QB and offense - Young has Shanny but a great running scheme.

[The Moz 72]

those B.S. offers for a stud WR.

 

WEll I hope you are right about Burress though. Not certain I have him top 10 though. I do have Burress in my Dynasty league

[jocstrap 8]

WEll I hope you are right about Burress though. Not certain I have him top 10 though. I do have Burress in my Dynasty league

 

 

I don't have him top 10, okay maybe 10ish b/c of td potential in rz. The guy has to play a full season eventually. Imagine his numbers if he goes 16 healthy games.

 

Burress/Williams > Torain/Young ...... wasn't that one of your offers?

 

Both of my guys had 10+ td's last year, how about Torain/Young/Mcfadden/forte

[Little Big Head 6]

What a focking joke. You raped his azzs and I know you are smiling. Send out 50 trade emails and one chump has to bite. focking salesman that bugs your azzs until you say I DO. I just didn't say I DO on all those B.S. offers for a stud WR.

 

Singman, I have 1 question for you....WTF is your reasoning behind one of the most lopsided trades in the history of my leagueism in MFFL participation.

 

Moz - +10 in trading guruism

 

Singman - .0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

0001 in trading guruism.

i think you called me out on a trade I made in this league last year. That trade turned out to be pretty much a wash. I think it was me giving L.Jordan/Brandon Jones and getting M.Turner/R.Curry(I owned LT at the time). You made it out to be the worst trade in fantasy history and demanded I defend myself with reasoning. For the record I play in 10 fantasy leagues and probably do more trading in any 1 of them than you do in all of yours combined, so in the future give me a little credit for having a good feel for the pulse of value on the trade market.

as far as this trade goes....Think it was a pretty even deal. S.Young/Torain should lock up the Denver running game, and Bowe gives Moz a DECENT redraft WR. Lets not make Bowe out to be Randy Moss. He had a pretty good rookie year but nothing spectacular. He might improve on those numbers or he might not. Last time I checked the Chiefs still have Croyle starting which doesnt exactly inspire a world of confidance in Bowes potential production(at least not for me). Bowe is a much bigger deal in dynasty leagues than he is in redrafts imo. I think if Moz had been patient(ill admit i suffer from the same trading addiction and cant be patient myself)he probably could have landed a better WR in season with that package. Moz could afford to do this deal and it helps his team, but I think Steve actually will end up getting the better end of this in terms of how much production he gets from Young/Torain. just my .02

[The Moz 72]

as far as this trade goes....Think it was a pretty even deal. ... I think if Moz had been patient(ill admit i suffer from the same trading addiction and cant be patient myself)he probably could have landed a better WR in season with that package. Moz could afford to do this deal and it helps his team, but I think Steve actually will end up getting the better end of this in terms of how much production he gets from Young/Torain. just my .02

 

 

I actually like Bowe this season and think a 80 - 1100 - 8 season is reachable. I have him ranked around 18-19 right now.

 

not certain how Joc thinks thinks Bowe is da second coming though

[Little Big Head 6]

I actually like Bowe this season and think a 80 - 1100 - 8 season is reachable. I have him ranked around 18-19 right now.

 

not certain how Joc thinks thinks Bowe is da second coming though

yeah its reachable but we'll see. Who knows how much attention hes going to see this year from opposing secondaries. I dont think he will have anybody accross from him other teams are going to respect. Jeff Webb as the #2??? Devard Darling??? Wil Franklin??? these guys dont really scare anybody do they? Also, something about LSU wrs coming off strong rookie years and ......

[jocstrap 8]

i think you called me out on a trade I made in this league last year. That trade turned out to be pretty much a wash. I think it was me giving L.Jordan/Brandon Jones and getting M.Turner/R.Curry(I owned LT at the time). You made it out to be the worst trade in fantasy history and demanded I defend myself with reasoning. For the record I play in 10 fantasy leagues and probably do more trading in any 1 of them than you do in all of yours combined, so in the future give me a little credit for having a good feel for the pulse of value on the trade market.

 

 

Wow, rubbed a LBH sore spot. Do 10 leagues give you more credit than my 5 leagues and 10 years of FF? Do you really study more than me? I don't trade much b/c I like who I draft. I draft players I like before the season starts and give them a chance to play it out. How many people have you traded away that you wish you wouldn't have? What's the difference between patience/waiting to see if it pans out and trading a ton?

 

[Little Big Head 6]

Wow, rubbed a LBH sore spot. Do 10 leagues give you more credit than my 5 leagues and 10 years of FF? Do you really study more than me? I don't trade much b/c I like who I draft. I draft players I like before the season starts and give them a chance to play it out. How many people have you traded away that you wish you wouldn't have? What's the difference between patience/waiting to see if it pans out and trading a ton?

 

I just finished a 16 team 46 rd dynasty start up with IDPs last week. This one was with posters at FBG

http://www27.myfantasyleague.com/2008/home/62726

 

Leagues like this force you to know every scrub playing in the NFL including defensive players so unless you play in leagues this deep, id guess that yes, i probably study a little more than you( I know that isnt anything to brag about)

Im not giving you a hard time about not trading, I was defending the fact that Im knowledgable enough about this hobby to know what Im doing. There isnt anything wrong with holding the players you drafted and seeing what happens, and I wasnt insinuating there is. I saw the same harsh judgment against singman that you made against me and felt like saying something on it. If it was a justified reaction id be right there with you, but I just dont see it as being a lopsided trade. Not even close

to answer your question...yes there has been plenty of trades I have regretted but I think Ive won more than Ive lost so its all good.

[jocstrap 8]

Bowe

 

week 10 - 9/105/0

11 - - - -- 7/64/1

12-- - - - -4/63/0

13 - - - -- 5/55/0

14 - - - - 2/35/0

15 - - - - 5/64/0

16 - - - - 8/97/1

 

 

call me crazy, but those targets are very high. He's only getting better while Gonzo is getting slower/older. Bowe is the #1 WR hands down.

 

Selvin Young's week 10-16

 

16 - - - -- - 10/39/0

15 - - - - 8/34/0

14 - - - - - 17/156/0

13 - - - - - 7/28/0

12 - - - - - 0/0/0

11 - - - - 14/54/0

10 - - - - 20/109/1

 

Those numbers don't look too solid for a #1 running back in the league. I wouldn't bank on this guy to cary me to the champs.

 

Just saying Moz won this trade by a landslide.

[Little Big Head 6]

Bowe

 

week 10 - 9/105/0

11 - - - -- 7/64/1

12-- - - - -4/63/0

13 - - - -- 5/55/0

14 - - - - 2/35/0

15 - - - - 5/64/0

16 - - - - 8/97/1

 

 

call me crazy, but those targets are very high. He's only getting better while Gonzo is getting slower/older. Bowe is the #1 WR hands down.

 

Selvin Young's week 10-16

 

16 - - - -- - 10/39/0

15 - - - - 8/34/0

14 - - - - - 17/156/0

13 - - - - - 7/28/0

12 - - - - - 0/0/0

11 - - - - 14/54/0

10 - - - - 20/109/1

 

Those numbers don't look too solid for a #1 running back in the league. I wouldn't bank on this guy to cary me to the champs.

 

Just saying Moz won this trade by a landslide.

I dont think Bowes production is that impressive, and we dont know how Bowe will respond to more attention from opposing secondaries. Bowe had 900yds last season not 1900. Lets see him get to 1000yds before we start getting excited. As of right now Young is penciled in as the starter, and I think Torain is the most likely guy to unseat him if he gets benched or hurt. Singman locked up the starting RB for the Broncos. There is no way imo that Moz won this trade by a landslide.

[sloracer 0]

not certain how Joc thinks thinks Bowe is da second coming though

 

:hitsbongrepeatedly:

 

 

And as for Bowe, you heard it hear first... 42nd in WR points at years end.. just saying

[jocstrap 8]

:hitsbongrepeatedly:

And as for Bowe, you heard it hear first... 42nd in WR points at years end.. just saying

 

 

We have contact

 

I think you made a great trade

[jocstrap 8]

I dont think Bowes production is that impressive, and we dont know how Bowe will respond to more attention from opposing secondaries. Bowe had 900yds last season not 1900. Lets see him get to 1000yds before we start getting excited. As of right now Young is penciled in as the starter, and I think Torain is the most likely guy to unseat him if he gets benched or hurt. Singman locked up the starting RB for the Broncos. There is no way imo that Moz won this trade by a landslide.

 

 

That's a very good number for a rookie, are you kidding me?

[Gepetto 1,469]

Bowe > Selvin Young

[famousb 11]

i think you called me out on a trade I made in this league last year. That trade turned out to be pretty much a wash. I think it was me giving L.Jordan/Brandon Jones and getting M.Turner/R.Curry(I owned LT at the time). You made it out to be the worst trade in fantasy history and demanded I defend myself with reasoning. For the record I play in 10 fantasy leagues and probably do more trading in any 1 of them than you do in all of yours combined, so in the future give me a little credit for having a good feel for the pulse of value on the trade market.

as far as this trade goes....Think it was a pretty even deal. S.Young/Torain should lock up the Denver running game, and Bowe gives Moz a DECENT redraft WR. Lets not make Bowe out to be Randy Moss. He had a pretty good rookie year but nothing spectacular. He might improve on those numbers or he might not. Last time I checked the Chiefs still have Croyle starting which doesnt exactly inspire a world of confidance in Bowes potential production(at least not for me). Bowe is a much bigger deal in dynasty leagues than he is in redrafts imo. I think if Moz had been patient(ill admit i suffer from the same trading addiction and cant be patient myself)he probably could have landed a better WR in season with that package. Moz could afford to do this deal and it helps his team, but I think Steve actually will end up getting the better end of this in terms of how much production he gets from Young/Torain. just my .02

 

i'm sorry, but you lost me after the bolded part... it's the very beginning of June, the Rat will profess at least 3 more RBs to be thhe next coming of all the finer qualities of Jim Brown, Herschel Walker, Barry Sanders, Sweetness, and Eric Dickerson combined before the season starts... the DEN RB situation is NEVAH locked up...

[The Moz 72]

since all these poeple think Bowe is going to be so much better - only means he will totally suck and Sel Young blows up!!!

[famousb 11]

since all these poeple think Bowe is going to be so much better - only means he will totally suck and Sel Young blows up!!!

i think they'll all suck - and that's why i didn't draft any of them...

[singman2 0]

Quote 1

 

"Chan Gailey wouldn’t let up.

 

The Chiefs’ new offensive coordinator sat down last month with first-round pick Branden Albert and talked about the future and which position the youngster would play. Albert had played guard at Virginia, and Gailey was talking about moving the rookie to tackle — left tackle, one of any NFL team’s marquee and highest-pressure positions.

 

... The Chiefs are going with a lot of what Gailey has suggested since he replaced Mike Solari in January. After arriving in Kansas City, he started changing anything that looked like it might have caused last year’s 4-12 record.

 

The Chiefs attempted 563 passes last year, 11th-most in the NFL. Gailey’s offense centers on power running and play-action, which coaches hope will relieve pressure on second-year starting quarterback Brodie Croyle.

 

Gailey simplified the playbook. He wanted a younger, defined offensive line...

 

... Gailey’s offense is not glamorous or tricky but instead is a throwback. Gailey is a 56-year-old football guy, a man who talks about toughness and pride in a thick Georgia drawl. Offense, in Gailey’s opinion, isn’t about fooling defenses; it’s about beating them.

 

“I believe in running the football,” Gailey said. “I believe you have to be a physical football team to win. It’s a tough game for tough people.”

 

Edwards couldn’t help but laugh this week when asked to describe Gailey’s offense.

 

There’s no style or signature; it’s just simple and efficient — kind of like Gailey himself, Edwards said..."

 

Quote 2

Henry gone, but Young is just getting started

By Jim Armstrong

The Denver Post

Article Last Updated: 06/02/2008 03:39:10 PM MDT

 

Now that he's retired and all, the Packers are sending Brett Favre his locker as a career keepsake.

 

Are you thinking what I'm thinking? I'm wondering, now that Travis Henry is gone, if the Broncos will send him his specimen cup.

 

Mike Shanahan didn't just show Henry the door. He sent out a press release questioning Henry's commitment. If only he had done that a year ago. While he was at it, Shanahan could have questioned Henry's character and common sense, too.

 

Let Henry's exit serve as a symbol, as a reminder of all that's wrong with NFL free agency. Let him be the last problem child Shanahan signs. Enough already with the Dale Carters, Daryl Gardeners and Henrys of the world.

 

Not that Henry wasn't a talent. In the end, that was the problem. He was so talented, so tantalizing, Shanahan rationalized signing him despite all the red flags. Sure, he was leading the league in rushing four games into the 2007 season, but Henry always was an injury, a paternity suit or a positive drug test waiting to happen.

 

But he wasn't the biggest story of the day on Monday.

 

Selvin Young. There's your story. By the time Henry left, he had been reduced to a guy who was getting a look-see, and only because he agreed to a huge pay cut.

 

Young? Henry's departure tells us all we need to know about Shanahan's confidence in the second-year tailback. If he weren't so confident in him, Shanahan might have hauled Henry into his office for another stern lecture and given him yet another chance.

 

It's Young's job to lose - Young's and only Young's. Yes, stuff happens in the Broncos' backfield. Just because you're the starter in training camp doesn't mean you'll stay there. But that's the plan.

 

Monday's announcement came just after I had talked at length with Shanahan about the big picture at tailback. Two things came through loud and clear during the interview. First, Shanahan is sky high on Young. Second, Henry was yesterday's news. He was going to be given a chance, but only if he toed the company line.

 

Shanahan once said Young was too small to handle a steady workload at tailback. But that viewpoint has changed. Young's workout-warrior routine has helped him increase his weight to 212 pounds from 207, engendering hope that he can carry the ball 20-25 times a game.

 

Unlike Henry, Young gets it. He knows the history of the tailback position in Denver. He doesn't just want to be the flavor of the month at the position. He wants to be a star. He wants to run for 2,000 yards this season. He wants to be back there for years to come.

 

Said Young, "I feel like, if I come out here and take care of business, I'm talented enough to be the guy for this team and lead this team for years and years and years."'s

 

It remains to be seen if Young can withstand the test of time, but, when it comes to assessing his talent, his coach agrees with him.

 

 

My reasoning for the trade is simple.

 

A) I see a come back year for LJ and think the offense will run him into the ground. They have to pass less as Croyle just sucks. Bowe will not get the targets he had last year and he will be facing tougher coverage. I don't have him in the top 20 for WR's. In fact there are a few WR's sitting udrafted right now who could have as good of seasons as Bowe.

 

I like Selvin Young's upside. It is very true that he could turn out to be 3rd string by the time the season rolls around. But he could also be a top 10 RB. Having Torrain also pretty much assures me of having at least the Denver RBBC. Pittman is a mutt and injury prone himself, Bell is a full back, and Hall is a scrub.

 

C) I could afford to make this trade. If I was hurting for WR's I could not have done this deal no matter how much I wanted to roll the dice on Young. I think in Housh and Fitz I have 2 top 5 wr's. I will still be fine at the position with losing Bowe.

 

One final note - I do not mind taking criticism regarding a trade. To go to the extreme d*ckstrap has expressed is a little ignorant in my opinion but to each his own. How did your team do last year Joc oh fantasy guru? I would propose a side bet (like I always like to do). I will bet $50 that Selvin Young finishes higher in the RB rankings than Dwayne Bowe does in the WR rankings by years end.

 

C)

[The Moz 72]

Quote 1

 

"Chan Gailey wouldn’t let up.

 

The Chiefs’ new offensive coordinator sat down last month with first-round pick Branden Albert and talked about the future and which position the youngster would play. Albert had played guard at Virginia, and Gailey was talking about moving the rookie to tackle — left tackle, one of any NFL team’s marquee and highest-pressure positions.

 

... The Chiefs are going with a lot of what Gailey has suggested since he replaced Mike Solari in January. After arriving in Kansas City, he started changing anything that looked like it might have caused last year’s 4-12 record.

 

The Chiefs attempted 563 passes last year, 11th-most in the NFL. Gailey’s offense centers on power running and play-action, which coaches hope will relieve pressure on second-year starting quarterback Brodie Croyle.

 

Gailey simplified the playbook. He wanted a younger, defined offensive line...

 

... Gailey’s offense is not glamorous or tricky but instead is a throwback. Gailey is a 56-year-old football guy, a man who talks about toughness and pride in a thick Georgia drawl. Offense, in Gailey’s opinion, isn’t about fooling defenses; it’s about beating them.

 

“I believe in running the football,” Gailey said. “I believe you have to be a physical football team to win. It’s a tough game for tough people.”

 

Edwards couldn’t help but laugh this week when asked to describe Gailey’s offense.

 

There’s no style or signature; it’s just simple and efficient — kind of like Gailey himself, Edwards said..."

 

Quote 2

Henry gone, but Young is just getting started

By Jim Armstrong

The Denver Post

Article Last Updated: 06/02/2008 03:39:10 PM MDT

 

Now that he's retired and all, the Packers are sending Brett Favre his locker as a career keepsake.

 

Are you thinking what I'm thinking? I'm wondering, now that Travis Henry is gone, if the Broncos will send him his specimen cup.

 

Mike Shanahan didn't just show Henry the door. He sent out a press release questioning Henry's commitment. If only he had done that a year ago. While he was at it, Shanahan could have questioned Henry's character and common sense, too.

 

Let Henry's exit serve as a symbol, as a reminder of all that's wrong with NFL free agency. Let him be the last problem child Shanahan signs. Enough already with the Dale Carters, Daryl Gardeners and Henrys of the world.

 

Not that Henry wasn't a talent. In the end, that was the problem. He was so talented, so tantalizing, Shanahan rationalized signing him despite all the red flags. Sure, he was leading the league in rushing four games into the 2007 season, but Henry always was an injury, a paternity suit or a positive drug test waiting to happen.

 

But he wasn't the biggest story of the day on Monday.

 

Selvin Young. There's your story. By the time Henry left, he had been reduced to a guy who was getting a look-see, and only because he agreed to a huge pay cut.

 

Young? Henry's departure tells us all we need to know about Shanahan's confidence in the second-year tailback. If he weren't so confident in him, Shanahan might have hauled Henry into his office for another stern lecture and given him yet another chance.

 

It's Young's job to lose - Young's and only Young's. Yes, stuff happens in the Broncos' backfield. Just because you're the starter in training camp doesn't mean you'll stay there. But that's the plan.

 

Monday's announcement came just after I had talked at length with Shanahan about the big picture at tailback. Two things came through loud and clear during the interview. First, Shanahan is sky high on Young. Second, Henry was yesterday's news. He was going to be given a chance, but only if he toed the company line.

 

Shanahan once said Young was too small to handle a steady workload at tailback. But that viewpoint has changed. Young's workout-warrior routine has helped him increase his weight to 212 pounds from 207, engendering hope that he can carry the ball 20-25 times a game.

 

Unlike Henry, Young gets it. He knows the history of the tailback position in Denver. He doesn't just want to be the flavor of the month at the position. He wants to be a star. He wants to run for 2,000 yards this season. He wants to be back there for years to come.

 

Said Young, "I feel like, if I come out here and take care of business, I'm talented enough to be the guy for this team and lead this team for years and years and years."'s

 

It remains to be seen if Young can withstand the test of time, but, when it comes to assessing his talent, his coach agrees with him.

My reasoning for the trade is simple.

 

A) I see a come back year for LJ and think the offense will run him into the ground. They have to pass less as Croyle just sucks. Bowe will not get the targets he had last year and he will be facing tougher coverage. I don't have him in the top 20 for WR's. In fact there are a few WR's sitting udrafted right now who could have as good of seasons as Bowe.

 

I like Selvin Young's upside. It is very true that he could turn out to be 3rd string by the time the season rolls around. But he could also be a top 10 RB. Having Torrain also pretty much assures me of having at least the Denver RBBC. Pittman is a mutt and injury prone himself, Bell is a full back, and Hall is a scrub.

 

C) I could afford to make this trade. If I was hurting for WR's I could not have done this deal no matter how much I wanted to roll the dice on Young. I think in Housh and Fitz I have 2 top 5 wr's. I will still be fine at the position with losing Bowe.

 

One final note - I do not mind taking criticism regarding a trade. To go to the extreme d*ckstrap has expressed is a little ignorant in my opinion but to each his own. How did your team do last year Joc oh fantasy guru? I would propose a side bet (like I always like to do). I will bet $50 that Selvin Young finishes higher in the RB rankings than Dwayne Bowe does in the WR rankings by years end.

 

C)

 

I might actually take that side bet

[Little Big Head 6]

That's a very good number for a rookie, are you kidding me?

would you have made the same comments if the wr had been K.Curtis or B.Engram? Both of those players finshed ahead of Bowe, and have a great chance to do it again. Dont fall in love with youth so much in a redraft league. Bowe was WR 22 in this league last year. I dont see him shooting up the rankings in year 2. I like him in a dynasty league a lot, but I think his team needs to find a solid starting QB before I get too excited in a redraft

[singman2 0]

I might actually take that side bet

 

That would be a lot less interesting and satisfying but you know me, I have to have one.

[The Moz 72]

Joc after learning of the trade I made!

[dehaven123 31]

Joc after learning of the trade I made!

 

This might be the funniest shiat I've seen.

 

As far as this thread, as I'm ketchin up late and just now checkin in on this "hot topic":

My initial reaction was Young/Torain>Bowe.

Upon review, my thoughts are Young/Torain>Bowe.

I have no issues w/ the trade though and clearly see the logic in both owners thoughts. Let it play out, projections and opinions are just that, projections and opinions. According to my projections and in my opinion though, the Denver backfield will outscore Bowe by a workable margin.

Good luck to both of you though.

 

[The Moz 72]

This might be the funniest shiat I've seen.

 

As far as this thread, as I'm ketchin up late and just now checkin in on this "hot topic":

My initial reaction was Young/Torain>Bowe.

Upon review, my thoughts are Young/Torain>Bowe.

I have no issues w/ the trade though and clearly see the logic in both owners thoughts. Let it play out, projections and opinions are just that, projections and opinions. According to my projections and in my opinion though, the Denver backfield will outscore Bowe by a workable margin.

Good luck to both of you though.

 

 

 

Wonder how Selvin does when Alexadner is lining up in da backfield though

[Little Big Head 6]

Wonder how Selvin does when Alexadner is lining up in da backfield though

Selvin is playing for the Broncos not the Bengals

[kutulu 1,724]

Moz, I'm gonna have to say to that one for now.

Especially since Tom and Eli have the same bye week

[jocstrap 8]

This might be the funniest shiat I've seen.

 

As far as this thread, as I'm ketchin up late and just now checkin in on this "hot topic":

My initial reaction was Young/Torain>Bowe.

Upon review, my thoughts are Young/Torain>Bowe.

I have no issues w/ the trade though and clearly see the logic in both owners thoughts. Let it play out, projections and opinions are just that, projections and opinions. According to my projections and in my opinion though, the Denver backfield will outscore Bowe by a workable margin.

Good luck to both of you though.

 

 

 

Now that was a good video clip. I might react like that if I had to work in that environment. Look at all those cubicals. Rats in a cage I tell you.

[sloracer 0]

Moz, I'm gonna have to say to that one for now.

Especially since Tom and Eli have the same bye week

 

 

That's funny ..... so do Peyton and Mini-Manning commish