Belushi 9 Posted July 18, 2008 I agree 10000% that this has nothing to do with Romo's value, but listen to someone who knows the cowboys when you are going to judge their offseason. Ask anyone around football how their offseason has been and you'll hear nothing but high remarks...Bringing in 3 talented players, drafting a top CB, resigning defensive backs and securing the best Oline in football, and keeping an offensive genius at OC this offseas = pretty damn good offseason. OK, let me type this slowly so you can follow along. He said they made a huge push in the offseason for the Superbowl. A rookie RB, and old LB, and resigning guys you had last year is not a huge push. A huge push would be bringing in a bunch of guys that significantly improved your team over last year. And while Pacman may be talented, he hasn't played in several years. I would hardly call him a huge push. Sometimes I feel like I'm just hitting my head against a wall here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phurfur 70 Posted July 18, 2008 OK, let me type this slowly so you can follow along. He said they made a huge push in the offseason for the Superbowl. A rookie RB, and old LB, and resigning guys you had last year is not a huge push. A huge push would be bringing in a bunch of guys that significantly improved your team over last year. And while Pacman may be talented, he hasn't played in several years. I would hardly call him a huge push. Sometimes I feel like I'm just hitting my head against a wall here. Yeah, he also said they have been making this push for three years. I think someone should tell the Cowboys they have to win a playoff game before you can win the SB. It looks like we will have to put up with all this Homer Cowboy crap again this year. Did you notice no mention was made of the losses in the Cowboy coaching staff. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted July 18, 2008 I'm not letting this go to page 2 because Crawfish still has ass to kick. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSoss 0 Posted July 18, 2008 You do realize that in the scoring format he's talking about that Brees was 191 pts better on the season than Big Ben??? There is no RB you can draft at the spot he's talking about that will be 191 pts better than the next RB picked to make up that difference. Good gawd, are people really this dense? He's in a QB focused league and yet people won't pull their heads out and stop saying "Pick best available RB" Brees completed roughly 180 more passes than Ben and 1300 more yards. In this format that's 230 pts difference right there, which Ben made up a bit in the TD department. This is crazy, it's like explaining something to people who not only can't learn, but don't want to. lol, it's like they can't hear you. Brees had 100 more completions than Romo...in a 4pt per TD pass league that's 25 TDs! He attempted almost 700 freaking passes! Their D still sucks, they still have no pounding run game w/ no duece...hmmm, think we might see about a million screen passes to Rbush? it's brees, and it's probably brees w/ the 1st pick overall, actually. oh, and one more thing. What a retarded scoring system. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted July 18, 2008 I'm not letting this go to page 2 because Crawfish still has ass to kick. Nobody is arguing anymore...listen to the sound of silence :crickets: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBlade 3 Posted July 18, 2008 Nobody is arguing anymore...listen to the sound of silence :crickets: That's cuz it was like only one or two guys arguing. The rest were all at you pointing out the lack of critical thinking displayed by them. I'll say it again..... for them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jerryskids 7,085 Posted July 18, 2008 Nobody is arguing anymore...listen to the sound of silence :crickets: I don't disagree, but riddle me this: why would Romo or Brees still be there at 1.9? And if not, what is the purpose of this thread? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheBlade 3 Posted July 19, 2008 I don't disagree, but riddle me this: why would Romo or Brees still be there at 1.9? And if not, what is the purpose of this thread? Because just about every league out there, except the ultra competitive ones, have a couple of people that don't truly understand the ins-and-outs of their scoring and rules. Between that, and those people that absolutely cannot step away from conventional wisdom, such as RB/RB or Stud WR, or whatever (and this thread has proven to the nth degree that these people do exist), there is plenty of opportunity for both of those guys to be available late in the first. But hey, you gotta people that like to donate their money to the cause. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foghorn Leghorn 0 Posted July 19, 2008 I say Brees, and I say it's not even close. Brees attempted more passes than anyone in NFL history in 1 season last year, and completed a whopping 105 more than Romo. In a Point Per Completion league, that's about a 100 pt deficit that Romo starts in. Romo plays on a much more balanced offense and on a team that has a good defense as well, meaning if they're leading, which they are a lot, they're in ball control mode and running more, where the Saints are typically in shootouts or playing catchup because their defense is definitely lower tier. Romo has a much more traditional RB behind him Barber, particularly with the health of Deuce in question in NO. To me, defenses started to figure Romo out toward the end of the year. They saw his tendencies and where his weaknesses are and schemed to put him positions to exploit that. I actually see a dropoff in his play coming. Regardless of his conditioning, TO is an old WR, making him more prone to injury. Yes, he's superior to Colston when healthy, but Colston is only in his 3rd year and not even in his prime physically yet. The likelihood of TO going down is, IMO, greater than that of Colston. Colston is in a contract year and is severely underpaid for his performance, so he is VERY motivated to have his best year yet. Standard league I give Romo a slight edge maybe, perhaps have them dead even, but Point Per completion it's Brees hands down in my book. This summarizes it very nicely. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSoss 0 Posted July 19, 2008 I don't disagree, but riddle me this: why would Romo or Brees still be there at 1.9? And if not, what is the purpose of this thread? Brees should be the #1 pick overall and, IMO, it's not really close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JREarly 0 Posted July 19, 2008 I like Brees talents more than Romo even after owning TO last year.That Saints team will throw the ball more often playing catch up. Romo's flashes of inconsistency worry me and don't know if he can repeat last years performance. Plus, I don't see them playing much catch type ball and may sit on most leads. perfectly put Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
49ers_suck 0 Posted July 19, 2008 I like Brees talents more than Romo even after owning TO last year.That Saints team will throw the ball more often playing catch up. Romo's flashes of inconsistency worry me and don't know if he can repeat last years performance. Plus, I don't see them playing much catch type ball and may sit on most leads. Really? what about Brees', and NO's inconsistencies last yr? but i agree, NO will probably throw more. and Brees is a very talented QB. no one knows if Romo will repeat last yrs performance. i think he will. he showed very good elusiveness, and playmaking ability. if he limits his "gunslinging, favresque, trying to do too much", mentality, he'll have a huge yr. bigger than Brees, imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted July 20, 2008 I don't disagree, but riddle me this: why would Romo or Brees still be there at 1.9? And if not, what is the purpose of this thread? Again, that's hard to answer because I don't know their scoring system (but as stated previously, would like to see it) Brees should be the #1 pick overall and, IMO, it's not really close. Ok, I'm not going that far. In what I've seen of this scoring system, Brady is still 100 pts better on the season than Brees. Brady is #1 overall, but Brees and Romo both deserve top 5 unless there are some other insane bonuses for RB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSoss 0 Posted July 20, 2008 Again, that's hard to answer because I don't know their scoring system (but as stated previously, would like to see it)Ok, I'm not going that far. In what I've seen of this scoring system, Brady is still 100 pts better on the season than Brees. Brady is #1 overall, but Brees and Romo both deserve top 5 unless there are some other insane bonuses for RB. In this scoring system (pt per completion, 4 pt pass td, pt per 30 pass yds, -1 pt for int) Brees had 681 fantasy pts Brady had 758 fantasy pts That's with Brady throwing 50 tds and 4800 passing yds. There is zero upside to those numbers. In fact, there is significant downside. Brees on the other hand, can expect similar, if not better numbers this year. You have to understand that in this scoring system, completions are the bulk of the points for QBs, and they are also the most predictable. All indications (from last year's playoffs, and the last few games of the season) are that NE is going to run the ball more this year. NO, on the other hand, are still not going to have a running game, still have a crappy defense that will force the offense into high scoring games, still play in a division that is stronger against the run than the pass, etc... Brees is pretty clearly the safest #1 pick in this league. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BMoney 0 Posted July 21, 2008 Drunk? take a year off from ff and wtf..i wish i HAD been drunk....ill scrap the threads about jamal rebounding with the ravens and thomas jones and the bears Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted July 21, 2008 In this scoring system (pt per completion, 4 pt pass td, pt per 30 pass yds, -1 pt for int) Brees had 681 fantasy pts Brady had 758 fantasy pts That's with Brady throwing 50 tds and 4800 passing yds. There is zero upside to those numbers. In fact, there is significant downside. Brees on the other hand, can expect similar, if not better numbers this year. You have to understand that in this scoring system, completions are the bulk of the points for QBs, and they are also the most predictable. All indications (from last year's playoffs, and the last few games of the season) are that NE is going to run the ball more this year. NO, on the other hand, are still not going to have a running game, still have a crappy defense that will force the offense into high scoring games, still play in a division that is stronger against the run than the pass, etc... Brees is pretty clearly the safest #1 pick in this league. I disagree here. I don't think Brees as any more possible upside than what he's show. He can exceed Brady in both completions and yards, granted, but there's no way he keeps pace on TD's. I still think even with a fall off, that Brady throws 40 TD's this year. I don't see Brees doing much better than 30. Again, though, without knowing if there insane RB and WR bonuses, QB's should go at least top 3 in that league. Those points are simply off the charts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheSoss 0 Posted July 21, 2008 I disagree here. I don't think Brees as any more possible upside than what he's show. He can exceed Brady in both completions and yards, granted, but there's no way he keeps pace on TD's. I still think even with a fall off, that Brady throws 40 TD's this year. I don't see Brees doing much better than 30. Again, though, without knowing if there insane RB and WR bonuses, QB's should go at least top 3 in that league. Those points are simply off the charts. quick, do you know how many times Brady threw for more than 30 TDs in a season before last year? I'll give you a hint...it's the same number of times I've thrown for 30 tds in a season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted July 21, 2008 quick, do you know how many times Brady threw for more than 30 TDs in a season before last year? I'll give you a hint...it's the same number of times I've thrown for 30 tds in a season. neither of you had Randy Moss or Wes Welker before last season either... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Me_2006 14 Posted July 21, 2008 Shockey in town now. If you see Brees there in this format, your leaguemates are focking hiiiiiiigh. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fixedrate 0 Posted July 21, 2008 Yep.....Brees throwing to Shockey Colston, And Bush out of the backfield means huge numbers...... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
