Darrius Heyward-Bey

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver 0]

I never thought Heyward-Bey would be that fast. Do you now put him ahead of Harvin and Maclin? 2nd fastest WR time in recent history.

 

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I never thought Heyward-Bey would be that fast. Do you now put him ahead of Harvin and Maclin? 2nd fastest WR time in recent history.

 

 

In the real draft no.

 

In fantasy, I had him and other over Harvin in the first place. I still say, Crabtree 1st Maclin 2nd, then most likely Heyward Bey. 6'3 running 4.3 is pretty nice.

[Me_2006 14]

Butler ran in the 4.2s.

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Butler ran in the 4.2s.

 

What Butler are you talking about?

 

Deon Butler ran a 4.38. No where close to 4.2s......

[madd futher mucker 36]

I'll update a list for fantasy purposes sometime in the next week or so. I've said all along that there are potentially 5 1st rounders and 2 second rounders in the draft at WR. DHB has been a 1st rounder from the beginning. As I said before. there is little separation between the top 7 WR's (Crabs, Maclin, Harvin, DHB, Nicks, Britt, Robiskie (not saying that that is the order).

 

DHB showed well, but you can't discount Maclin's, Nicks, and Harvin's talent and production either. Since I don't put undue emphasis on the 40, it is better to get away from the Combine results for a week or two, rewatch some video, and then put it all in prospective.

 

Butler's run puts him squarely on the radar (instead of just being my little secret), and I still love Dillard.

In addition, there are about 5 more WRs who have high upside in a dynasty draft.

 

The top RBs were all slow compared to their counterparts of last year - again, backing up my assertion the this is the year of the WR.

 

Also it is a very deep position for pass catching TEs - many of these guys are simply BIG WRs who play more out of the slot instead of inside.

[Me_2006 14]

What Butler are you talking about?

 

Deon Butler ran a 4.38. No where close to 4.2s......

I saw 4.29 unofficial. NFL.com has him listed at 4.38 now. Apparently the timing was off a bit.

[Me_2006 14]

Also, Beanie Wells running 4.59 and Moreno weighing in at a much more durable weight might cement Knowshon as the #1 RB in the draft.

[madd futher mucker 36]

I agree, but I think that Moreno was the solid #1 RB even before the Combine. The guy who really helped his stock and may have moved past Beanie into the #2 RB slot is Donald Brown. Both he and Beanie are on the Rd 1/Rd 2 'bubble', and he may have pushed the Beaner into round #2 today. (At least in my book he did.)

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Also, Beanie Wells running 4.59 and Moreno weighing in at a much more durable weight might cement Knowshon as the #1 RB in the draft.

 

A still much smaller Moreno ran slower than Beanie.

 

I expected a little faster time out of Moreno. This combine has much less talent than last years (straight numbers aspect)

[Me_2006 14]

A still much smaller Moreno ran slower than Beanie.

 

I expected a little faster time out of Moreno. This combine has much less talent than last years (straight numbers aspect)

Wow, really? I hadn't seen any numbers on Moreno except measurements.

[madd futher mucker 36]

Now you guys are putting too much emphasis on 40 times. They are just not that important.

 

I was watching techique, not timed speed. Both Moreno and Wells suprised me in how bad their starting and running technique was. This is especially true for Wells - I thought he would be 'coached-up' by Butch Reynolds - I saw no evidence in his runs that he had spent any time on the 40 before the combine.

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Now you guys are putting too much emphasis on 40 times. They are just not that important.

 

I was watching techique, not timed speed. Both Moreno and Wells suprised me in how bad their starting and running technique was. This is especially true for Wells - I thought he would be 'coached-up' by Butch Reynolds - I saw no evidence in his runs that he had spent any time on the 40 before the combine.

 

Whos putting too much emphasis on the 40?

 

I simply said a smaller Moreno ran a slower time than Beanie did.

[madd futher mucker 36]

Butler's 1st run was 4.26, but they adjust for the 2nd run to come up with an 'official' time (which really isn't official except for TV). Whatever, I really wasn't commenting on anyones post in particular. The sense I got from flipping between this board and two others is the dismay at Wells' and Moreno's times, and that somehow 'drops' them in value.

 

I'm really suprised at Wells' technique for the run, though. As an OSU guy, I was sure Reynolds would be tutoring him (as he had for Robiskie). Beanie fought both 40s from start to finish. I have no idea why he didn't go to a 6 weeks 'finishing school' but it was obvious that he didn't know how to run it. I agree, he didn't help his stock any though. Since teams already question his dedication, you would think he would have taken his 'final exam' a little more seriously.

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Butler's 1st run was 4.26, but they adjust for the 2nd run to come up with an 'official' time (which really isn't official except for TV). Whatever, I really wasn't commenting on anyones post in particular. The sense I got from flipping between this board and two others is the dismay at Wells' and Moreno's times, and that somehow 'drops' them in value.

 

I'm really suprised at Wells' technique for the run, though. As an OSU guy, I was sure Reynolds would be tutoring him (as he had for Robiskie). Beanie fought both 40s from start to finish. I have no idea why he didn't go to a 6 weeks 'finishing school' but it was obvious that he didn't know how to run it. I agree, he didn't help his stock any though. Since teams already question his dedication, you would think he would have taken his 'final exam' a little more seriously.

 

 

I know the times didnt hurt them in the draft much. They were never expected to run lights out. But it just shows you how slow and how average this RB class is compared to last years. The 2 top RBs aren't even in the top 10 for 40 times. Actually I think Beanie was 10th after they got adjusted. But these 2 are 4.6 guys, that is pretty slow for the elite RBs of the draft. Its not saying they won't be good, they just aren't fast.

 

Stewart at 230 lbs ran a 4.4 last year.

[madd futher mucker 36]

I sure can't disagree that you can't compare last year's exceptional RB class with this year's mediocre (or worse) one. After Moreno, there is no one I would say as a sure 1st rounder, and if Moreno had come out last year, he likely would have been a 2nd rounder. McCoy is probably a (late) 1st rounder - although he has a lot of Jamaal Charles in his game, Donald Brown is a 'bubble boy'. Drop Wells to early round 2 IMO, and Greem early round 3.

 

Had any of these RBs come out with last year's class, they probably would all drop about one round lower than where I'd expect they will be drafted this year.

[The Moz 69]

Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 and A. Boldin ran a 4.7 40 times are useless IMO unless you are talking about a DB that needs catch up speed. I would gladly take beenie Wells over any RB in this draft class. Moreno IMO is to soft and is a weaker version of M. Lynch. McCoy might be a gamer though.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I was watching some of the footage this past weekend and actually came away really impressed with Robiskie. He caught seemingly every ball and had his hands way out to the get them, never let one hit him the chest. He didn't turn in the fastest 40 time but to me he showed a lot more than a fast 40 does. I saw lots of other receivers letting the ball hit them in the chest and missing lots of catchable balls.

[jgcrawfish 232]

I know the times didnt hurt them in the draft much. They were never expected to run lights out. But it just shows you how slow and how average this RB class is compared to last years. The 2 top RBs aren't even in the top 10 for 40 times. Actually I think Beanie was 10th after they got adjusted. But these 2 are 4.6 guys, that is pretty slow for the elite RBs of the draft. Its not saying they won't be good, they just aren't fast.

 

Stewart at 230 lbs ran a 4.4 last year.

 

* Um, with a foot that required surgery. JStew is a serious athlete though...

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Jerry Rice ran a 4.6 and A. Boldin ran a 4.7 40 times are useless IMO unless you are talking about a DB that needs catch up speed. I would gladly take beenie Wells over any RB in this draft class. Moreno IMO is to soft and is a weaker version of M. Lynch. McCoy might be a gamer though.

 

 

Too soft? Really? He finishes off runs better than anyone in this draft. If anyone is soft its Beanie. Do you know what you are talking about? Or just talking?

[jgcrawfish 232]

To me, Heyward-Bey is still a bit of an unproven commodity at the WR level. He's big and fast, which is great, but a 4.3 for a former track guy running in shorts at the combine doesn't translate on the field. I'm skeptical at this point. Admittedly I've got a lot more view time on Crabtree, Maclin, Quan Cosby and Harvin than on Heyward-Bey and need to watch more of his stuff.

[wickerkat 0]

To me, Heyward-Bey is still a bit of an unproven commodity at the WR level. He's big and fast, which is great, but a 4.3 for a former track guy running in shorts at the combine doesn't translate on the field. I'm skeptical at this point. Admittedly I've got a lot more view time on Crabtree, Maclin, Quan Cosby and Harvin than on Heyward-Bey and need to watch more of his stuff.

 

Tell me more about Quan. Not on my radar at all.

[jgcrawfish 232]

Tell me more about Quan. Not on my radar at all.

 

Cosby really had a pretty good senior season. McCoy and Shipley had that roommate thing working all year, but when UT needed a big play down the stretch Cosby really stepped up. He's not overly fast, in fact was surprised by his 40 time at the combine, a 4.48 is actually faster than I thought he would run. He's a good possession type WR in my mind, kind of a Hines Ward mold, not big, not fast but physical for his size. Blocks well and seems to understand the game. Has good body control from what I saw. I don't think he's physically gifted enough to become a #1 or #2 WR on some team though but if he makes a team he'll most likely end up being one of those move the chains kind of guys.

[Cuse9 129]

Everyone already knew that DHB would most likely be the fastest wr in the draft. His speed at the combine won't help him cause everyone knew it was there. It's his concentration and lack of focus that he needs to improve on.

 

Anyone see what Britt has done? I canceled dish and I don't have NFL network anymore. If someone could provide a link to the combine results I would appreciate it.

[madd futher mucker 36]

Everyone already knew that DHB would most likely be the fastest wr in the draft. His speed at the combine won't help him cause everyone knew it was there. It's his concentration and lack of focus that he needs to improve on.

 

Anyone see what Britt has done? I canceled dish and I don't have NFL network anymore. If someone could provide a link to the combine results I would appreciate it.

 

I'm at work but Britt was a stud. May go lat 1st round. Really not much seperation at all between all 7 top recievers.

(Crabs, Maclin, DHB, Nicks, Britt Harvin, Robiskie). Maclin probably slipped a little because the rest did so well.

[wickerkat 0]

I'm at work but Britt was a stud. May go late 1st round. Really not much seperation at all between all 7 top recievers.

(Crabs, Maclin, DHB, Nicks, Britt Harvin, Robiskie). Maclin probably slipped a little because the rest did so well.

 

What he said.

 

Britt ran a 4.52, 23 bench presses, 37" vertical (10th), 10'4' broad (8th).

[DocNiner 67]

Hopefully DHB will prove to be a little better than our most recent Maryland combine wonder from my York destroyed 49ers, TE Vernon Davis. He sure hasn't lived up to his combine numbers but I think Bey is gonna have a little better time of being successful than Davis no matter where he goes. Wherever he goes if he gets playing time he should put up some decent numbers his first year. I like his chances of having a good nfl career better than Vernon Davis'.

[De Novo 0]

Hopefully DHB will prove to be a little better than our most recent Maryland combine wonder from my York destroyed 49ers, TE Vernon Davis. He sure hasn't lived up to his combine numbers but I think Bey is gonna have a little better time of being successful than Davis no matter where he goes. Wherever he goes if he gets playing time he should put up some decent numbers his first year. I like his chances of having a good nfl career better than Vernon Davis'.

I'm a Maryland alum and unfortunately don't know too much about DHB aside from what you see on film or on TV, but it was a well-known fact in the circles of Maryland football team that Vernon Davis was a workout warrior but ran sloppy routes (if he ran a set real route at all) and just made plays with raw athleticism alone. Imagine a college corner or college linebacker trying to cover him. He stiff arms or knocks the corner down, and the linebacker can't match his speed. He had a questionable attitude, and was so used to football being easy, and hasn't adjusted to the NFL yet (if ever does). I think the 49ers probably didn't use him properly but there are so many things that go on behind the scenes, it's hard to say.

 

What I can say, though, is DHB is no Vernon Davis. I think he has a much better chance of making an impact in the NFL. He didn't play in a spread offense seeing more double teams and tougher coverage, so his numbers aren't as gaudy as Maclin or Crabtree. I think there's a good chance he could have put up those kind of numbers in a spread offense. He doesn't have the body of those 2, but he might be the better football player at the next level.

[DocNiner 67]

I'm a Maryland alum and unfortunately don't know too much about DHB aside from what you see on film or on TV, but it was a well-known fact in the circles of Maryland football team that Vernon Davis was a workout warrior but ran sloppy routes (if he ran a set real route at all) and just made plays with raw athleticism alone. Imagine a college corner or college linebacker trying to cover him. He stiff arms or knocks the corner down, and the linebacker can't match his speed. He had a questionable attitude, and was so used to football being easy, and hasn't adjusted to the NFL yet (if ever does). I think the 49ers probably didn't use him properly but there are so many things that go on behind the scenes, it's hard to say.

 

What I can say, though, is DHB is no Vernon Davis. I think he has a much better chance of making an impact in the NFL. He didn't play in a spread offense seeing more double teams and tougher coverage, so his numbers aren't as gaudy as Maclin or Crabtree. I think there's a good chance he could have put up those kind of numbers in a spread offense. He doesn't have the body of those 2, but he might be the better football player at the next level.

 

I think DHB is gonna have a decent NFL career. No doubt he has the speed to blow by corners and defintely a 1st round pick.I've heard, being a niners fan, they plan on working Vernon Davis into the offense a little more this year. They better do something with him after spending the #7 pick on him. Now that Singletary's the coach I think you're gonna see more discipline outta Davis this year. He's got talent ,he just needs some discipline and to get his head in the right place. Don't whine about not being involved, do what you need to do to be a part of the offense. I belive he can do that if he puts his mind to it and focuses on being a better player. I think Singletary's gonna be on him so we'll see how he responds.