Do teams ever bench players to avoid paying bonuses?

[DanXIII 8]

...or to avoid other additional compensation paid?

 

My first inclination is to say, "No, they are always trying to win games," but is there any evidence of this happening?

 

I ask because I have Brandon Lloyd. Ever since he was traded to St. Louis, Rotowire seems to be having a countdown on his # of catches. Their latest entry:

 

WR Brandon Lloyd now has 26 receptions in five games with the Rams. If he reaches 30, that would increase the draft-choice compensation the Rams owe the Broncos from a sixth- to a fifth-round pick.

 

This isn't the first time they have mentioned this total. If this really is not an issue, wtf do they keep bringing it up?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

My first inclination is to say, "No, they are always trying to win games," but is there any evidence of this happening?

 

I ask because I have Brandon Lloyd. Ever since he was traded to St. Louis, Rotowire seems to be having a countdown on his # of catches. Their latest entry:

 

 

 

This isn't the first time they have mentioned this total. If this really is not an issue, wtf do they keep bringing it up?

 

Sure, it could happen. I have seen teams cut a guy so that they don't hit a bonus.

 

With respect to Lloyd, it won't happen. They seem to like what he brings and would preclude themselves from re-singing him if they don't play him (it will affect his value). Besides, teams don't really care that much about picks in rounds 5-7.

[DanXIII 8]

Sure, it could happen. I have seen teams cut a guy so that they don't hit a bonus.

 

With respect to Lloyd, it won't happen. They seem to like what he brings and would preclude themselves from re-singing him if they don't play him (it will affect his value). Besides, teams don't really care that much about picks in rounds 5-7.

 

Yeah. I leave open the possibility that Rotowire is simply trying to fill copy and is telling us absolutely nothing of value, which is what they give us half the time with their BS 'analysis'

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Yeah. I leave open the possibility that Rotowire is simply trying to fill copy and is telling us absolutely nothing of value, which is what they give us half the time with their BS 'analysis'

Most of the time, the team knows or hopes that they are going to have to pay the higher compensation. They plan for that. The lower compensation is just a way for them to reduce risk if they have guy who is disgruntled or is just a total bust.

 

Rotowire (like every other news outlet) is probably better off just reporting the news and leaving people to speculate on their own.

[Ray_T 798]

...or to avoid other additional compensation paid?

 

My first inclination is to say, "No, they are always trying to win games," but is there any evidence of this happening?

 

I ask because I have Brandon Lloyd. Ever since he was traded to St. Louis, Rotowire seems to be having a countdown on his # of catches. Their latest entry:

 

 

 

This isn't the first time they have mentioned this total. If this really is not an issue, wtf do they keep bringing it up?

 

 

I'm sure it happens when it's close and a team is in the final game of the season. in this case, the difference between a 5th and a 6th isnt substantial to the point where a team will sit a guy to avoid making the payment.

[tbone138 6]

Players don't like playing for Billichek because of this. He doesn't necessarily bench players but he will game plan to spread the wealth so there are no studs that will require huge contracts. Obviously there are exceptions like Welker, Moss, etc. I bet you will see Gronkowski's production go down towards the end of the year w/ the easy schedule. They won't need him to produce like a stud to win. They def. don't want to have to pay him like a top tier TE which is what he will command if his production continues.

[nzoner 939]

Marshall Faulk just talked about it happening to him on last Sunday's NFL Network pre-game.He said in his instance he was told he was late for a meeting(he says he wasn't)and was not allowed to start the next game.Said something to the effect that he was needing x amount of yards and was not given the opportunity.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Players don't like playing for Billichek because of this. He doesn't necessarily bench players but he will game plan to spread the wealth so there are no studs that will require huge contracts. Obviously there are exceptions like Welker, Moss, etc. I bet you will see Gronkowski's production go down towards the end of the year w/ the easy schedule. They won't need him to produce like a

stud to win. They def. don't want to have to pay him like a top tier TE which is what he will command if his production continues.

What? Do you have any proof of this?

 

Players want to win. Ask Deion Branch whether it was worth it to leave. Ask Damien Woody, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, etc.

[tbone138 6]

What? Do you have any proof of this?

 

Players want to win. Ask Deion Branch whether it was worth it to leave. Ask Damien Woody, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, etc.

 

As is their custom, the Sporting News polled 111 players from 31 NFL teams for this year's midseason players' poll. They asked voters to weigh-in on all manner of subjects related to the league.

 

In one question sure to raise eyebrows, players were asked to name the coach they would least like to play for. The results may shock you.

 

So who did players unequivocally state were the worst coaches to play for in the NFL? Let's take a look.

 

1. Coughlin

2. Sparano

3. Billichek

 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/935964-nfls-worst-head-coaches-did-sporting-news-poll-get-it-right

 

And by the way, I think it's smart to do it. If you can keep guys production down you can keep them on your team for cheaper and keep your team more competitive given the salary cap requirements. Just let them be studs on days where you really need them to to win and when you can win w/ your third string RB or WR, use them since your not going to have to pay them anyway.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

As is their custom, the Sporting News polled 111 players from 31 NFL teams for this year's midseason players' poll. They asked voters to weigh-in on all manner of subjects related to the league.

 

In one question sure to raise eyebrows, players were

asked to name the coach they would least like to play for. The results may shock you.

 

So who did players unequivocally state were the worst coaches to play for in the NFL? Let's take a look.

 

1. Coughlin

2. Sparano

3. Billichek

 

 

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/935964-nfls-worst-head-coaches-did-sporting-news-poll-get-it-right

 

And by the way, I think it's smart to do it. If you can keep guys production down you can keep them on your team for cheaper and keep your team more competitive given the

salary cap requirements. Just let them be studs on days where you really need them to to win and when you can win w/ your third string RB or WR, use them since your not going to have to pay them anyway.

 

Hardly a complete representation. That is a poll from less than 7% of players from all teams and not players who have actually played for the coaches.

 

The actual behavior shows something different.

 

BTW - did they spell his his name incorrectly in the poll too?

[tbone138 6]

Hardly a complete representation. That is a poll from less than 7% of players from all teams and not players who have actually played for the coaches.

 

The actual behavior shows something different.

 

BTW - did they spell his his name incorrectly in the poll too?

 

 

Well fatboy, I apologize terribly for the misspelling of that polish douche bag that no one wants to play for. He sure did used to win a lot. Too bad he and his defense sucks nuts now. I remember the good old days when they could actually get out of the first round of the playoffs. Oh and from a statistical standpoint the sample is plenty large to draw a valid conclusion from. You see, I graduated from college fat boy. Have a great night!

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Well fatboy, I apologize terribly for the misspelling of that polish douche bag that no one wants to play for. He sure did used to win a lot. Too bad he and his defense sucks nuts now. I remember the good old days when they could actually get out of the first round of the playoffs. Oh and from a statistical standpoint the sample is plenty large to draw a valid conclusion from. You see, I graduated from

college fat boy. Have a great night!

Nice response. I would have to see your Community College transcript to believe it.

 

It is obvious that you follow the Tom Jackson school of "they hate their coach". That was foolish then and you are foolish now.

[tbone138 6]

Nice response. I would have to see your Community College transcript to believe it.

 

It is obvious that you follow the Tom Jackson school of "they hate their coach". That was foolish then and you are foolish now.

 

Bolichek is overrated and players hate him.

 

Tbone: 1

Fatboy: 0

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Bolichek is overrated and players hate him.

In a poll of FFToday posters, the dumbest poster ever is:

Tbone: 1,000,000

Giantsfan 1

 

Hard to disagree with that.

[tbone138 6]

 

Hard to disagree with that.

 

I have to admire that when you edited it you put a vote in for yourself. I assume that I must have been a part of this fictional poll and I cast my vote for you. Now that really is funny. I can't bash you anymore. You rule.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

I have to admire that when you edited it you put a vote in for yourself. I assume that I must have been a part of this fictional poll and I cast my vote for you. Now that really is funny. I can't bash you anymore. You rule.

Well, if you are the standard then anyone can rule. You continue to talk out of your ass.

 

Let's see if your prediction on Gronk is true. It is not hard to expect that his production will drop given his pace, but it

sounds like you think that he will drop quite a bit.

[chroniciguana 13]

And by the way, I think it's smart to do it.

 

Just one problem here. If Rotoworld can figure this out, if a bunch of folks on a Fantasy Football site can figure this out, isn't it likely that there was someone, somewhere in the Broncos organization who might, just might, in a moment of mental clarity have also figured this out prior to the team agreeing to the trade clause?

 

Unless we're prepared to accept that everyone in the Denver front office recently tumbled from the back of the turnip truck, it's a pretty fair bet this possibility was discussed and dismissed as unlikely or no big deal. And if it wasn't a big deal for the Broncos, it's an equally fair bet it's not a big deal for the Rams.

 

That said, if it's the meaningless final game of the season with two minutes remaining and Lloyd stuck at 29 catches, don't hold your breath waiting for his number to get called.

[420allstars 13]

I really dont think coaches even think about that stuff on a week to week basis..They are coaching for there jobs espically if they are in meaningless games at the end of the season..

 

If GM's or Owners made those choices I could see this happening

[tbone138 6]

Well, if you are the standard then anyone can rule. You continue to talk out of your ass.

 

Let's see if your prediction on Gronk is true. It is not hard to expect that his production will drop given his pace, but it

sounds like you think that he will drop quite a bit.

 

 

Your on. Percentage basis. It will drop against the crappy D's they face and someone else will pick it up. When I am right, I command you to post a worship post proclaiming my greatness.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Your on. Percentage basis. It will drop against the crappy D's they face and someone else will pick it up. When I am right, I command you to post a worship post proclaiming my greatness.

His production has to drop below a good tight end. To think that he can keep up his current pace is foolish.

 

And when you are proven wrong I command that you take your Axe Elf schtick elsewhere.

[tbone138 6]

His production has to drop below a good tight end. To think that he can keep up his current pace is foolish.

 

And when you are proven wrong I command that you take your Axe Elf schtick elsewhere.

 

Outside of the top 3 going forward?

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Outside of the top 3 going forward?

Top 5. Standard scoring. That is generous of me.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Your on. Percentage basis. It will drop against the crappy D's they face and someone else will pick it up. When I am right, I command you to post a worship post proclaiming my greatness.

 

Gronk looks like his production is doing just fine since you posted this.

 

Can you also predict a drop in the economy so that we can get things back on track? TIA

[jerryskids 7,248]

Gronk looks like his production is doing just fine since you posted this.

 

Can you also predict a drop in the economy so that we can get things back on track? TIA

 

Ouch, that's going to leave a mark.

 

Cmon in and take your can of whupass, tbone.

[Patriotsfatboy1 1,433]

Your on. Percentage basis. It will drop against the crappy D's they face and someone else will pick it up. When I am right, I command you to post a worship post proclaiming my greatness.

Do we even need the last 3 games on this?