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***The Official 2015 Seattle Seahawks Offseason Thread***

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I would have preferred Shaq Mason, C/OG, who went with the next pick to New England.

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Of course, two centers get taken in between our picks. Can't win.

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hahahah

wow. Sorry, I guess I"m not keeping up with pics.

I have more spreadsheets created and open than when NASA launches a shuttle.

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Mark Glowinski, OG, West Virginia.

 

Well, I had him mocked to Seattle. Obviously, I like this pick. I think I had him going later. Let me check.

 

Edit. going in the 6th. Beggars can't be choosers.

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Let's try a mock draft this year.

 

2.31 (#63) Laken Tomlinson, OG, Duke

3.31 (#95) Xavier Cooper, DT, Washington St

4.13 (#112) Tre Jackson, OG, Texas A&M

4.31 (#130) Frank Clark, DE, Michigan

4.35 (#134) Kwon Alexander, OLB, LSU

5.31 (#167) Laurence Gibson, OT, Virginia Tech

5.34 (#170) Dezmin Lewis, WR, Central Arkansas

6.5 (#180) Justin Coleman, CB, Tennessee

6.34 (#209) Mark Glowinski, OG, West Virginia

6.39 (#214) Chaz Green, OT, Florida

7.31 (#248) Cody Fajardo, QB, Nevada

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Holy crap it's dawg.

Now all we need is Hawker to get back here with a new alias and the gang is back.

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Holy crap it's dawg.

Now all we need is Hawker to get back here with a new alias and the gang is back.

 

Don't you think 12th Man has some of those same fiesty tendencies as FH?

 

But I remember the days of you, ChasersDawg and I think Groundhog being the only persistent Seahawk posters around 12 years ago. And me. That was a hell of long time ago.

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I'm pretty happy myself. Love the postion choices. I feel good about our centers for this year.

 

Love the Glowinski pick - I think he'll plug right in at guard. He's a mauler, pulls like nothing I've seen before and among the best I've seen. He shows some big power. I'm not sure about pass pro, but he's got real nice size. I like this pick. He lays people out from what I can see and never ending motor.

I would have easily gave him a 4th round grade - But, I would have put high marks on him as a guy I'd really like to get. I kind of love this pick.

 

What's cool about Terry Poole is that he primarily played Tackle. So a move to guard (Like Carpenter) could easily be done. He also moves well.

To me I think his power is ok, what I see lacking is his off the ball speed or vision. He seems like he comes late into the play and plays catchup.

But overall, I kind of like this kid too. Not somebody I would hate on anyway. (Not a Harrison player)

 

Very happy we picked 2 here. That makes all our earlier picks that much better! Even if only 1 turns out and starts for us that would be big.

They'll have a good chance to both plug right in.

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Good job on the mock by they way Philly. :)

Even the picks we didn't make made sense and could have been on the board. And I liked most all of them too.

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At this point, with the remaining 4 picks, draft for best available talent with an eye towards an area of need.

 

The Jimmy Graham trade salvages this draft no matter what. The move up in the 4th would have been disastrous. I can at least stop breathing into a paper bag for the moment.

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Good job on the mock by they way Philly. :)

Even the picks we didn't make made sense and could have been on the board. And I liked most all of them too.

 

The thing is, most of those guys I mocked went much earlier in the real NFL draft. Somebody liked those players even more than I did. 7 guys are off the board in the first 4 rounds.

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Dawg, Groundhog, you and me i considered the 4 horsemen of the fftoday seahawks threads.

ahhhh memories.

As for 12 man. Definitly not hawker, he doesn't hit the main board. Hawker wouldn't have that much discipline to not go there. I could see a distint relative though.

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You guys got any insight on the 2 lineman.

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You guys got any insight on the 2 lineman.

 

If I am not mistaken, better run blockers than pass blockers. Scrappy and like to hit people. Basically, what we always draft. Could possibly play multiple positions.

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If I am not mistaken, better run blockers than pass blockers. Scrappy and like to hit people. Basically, what we always draft.

So more Justin Britts.

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Aww.....

 

Thanks guys

 

Still hope they take Collins. You never know. He might want to go to a superbowl

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So more Justin Britts.

 

Yep.

 

Justin Britt was #2 in the NFL in giving up sacks and pressure on a QB by a OT. Oh, and a bunch of dumb penalties. :banana:

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I assume you meant you agree with me? Everything you said supports what i've been saying.

Just a mistype I assume.

 

Yes - I think IF we can add a couple good (I hope from my top list) Oline here, that this draft could be very impressive!

Especially when you add Graham into the mix in all this.

It probably was you. 7th row last night at queensryche. Still cant hear never mind comprehend things.

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It probably was you. 7th row last night at queensryche. Still cant hear never mind comprehend things.

 

Aren't there two Queensryches right now? One is touring with just the lead singer from the original, and the other is touring with the rest of the band and a new singer?

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You guys know whats going on with the Wilson extension? I thought for sure it would be done by the draft.

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You guys know whats going on with the Wilson extension? I thought for sure it would be done by the draft.

 

I think we got Sherman and Thomas done just before training camp. Plenty of time.

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Aren't there two Queensryches right now? One is touring with just the lead singer from the original, and the other is touring with the rest of the band and a new singer?

The band has Todd LaTorre as lead singer. They are Queensryche.

Geoff Tate can still use the Queensryche name until 2017. As of jan 1 2017 by the judges ruling he will no longer be allowed to use that name in anything he does/promotes. It was a pretty messy divorce after 30 years. Kinda sad, but Tate pulled that LSS. Lead Singer Syndrome that kills most bands. Itjust took him longer than most.

 

Latorre - Not as good as Tate back in the day. But twice as good as him now a days.

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Tye Smith, CB, Towson.

 

Well, I had him going undrafted but on the radar. When it comes to defensive secondary picks, I'll just leave a no comment and see what the coaches can do.

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Tye Smith, CB, Towson.

 

Well, I had him going undrafted but on the radar. When it comes to defensive secondary picks, I'll just leave a no commen

t and see what the coaches can do.

I'm not sure his value in relation to the draft, but I also like him after just watching a bit of him.

 

This possition was my top choice right now though. Losing Maxwell will hurt and we need to add depth plus a possible replacement. I'm not sold on the guy we got from Eagles. I do like Lane, but he's injured and more of a nickle. Very needed postion overall.

 

What I saw on this kid was pretty fast speed for being over 6'0 and almost 200 pounds. He held up very well on deep passes from what I saw, and good in coverage overall. I never saw him beat and always on his recievers making pass blocks. He played fast I thought. I didn't get a chance to see if he can press or not?

I loved the way he hit and made tackles though, and that was backed up by his stats. I have no worries about his run support which can make for a solid corner.

 

Not a lot of INT's but those stats are hit and miss to me. I don't care much about that as long as he's good in coverage.

 

I think this looks like a great pick. And very needed.

 

I'm starting to love this draft actually!

Sorry Philly.

 

When you add in Graham I'm thinking A so far.

Go watch the Bowl game and take a look at our new WR. That's a big time game and he looks dominate.

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Who are these 2 DEs

 

 

 

 

 

Okay, How come cut/copy and paste does not work

 

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Who are these 2 DEs

 

 

 

 

Okay, How come cut/copy and paste does not work

 

 

Sokoli is an OLB with 6th round value. Edge rusher I guess.

 

Ogwaketchup is mystery to me. I think he might be the alter ego of Ant-Man.

 

Edit: reverse that. Ketchup is the OLB. Sokoli is the unknown. Too much drinkey.

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We signed wr Austin Hill as an udfa. He's gotta be healthy, but he's got potential if he is.

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In retrospect these guys we got do seem kinda Seahawky. Good as far as DBs go. Bad as far as O-line goes because I'm not sure how much pass protection we just picked up. Sokoli is the wildcard. On the SPARQ scorecard, this guy is apparently the first guy who was ever four standard deviations above the mean. That's like the equivalent on Shaquille O'Neal playing center in middle school. Whether Cable can take that raw athletic material and fashion a dominating offensive lineman out of it is anyone's guess. But most 6th round picks don't make a roster anyway so worth a shot. So what's the starting five now?

 

Okung - LT…until he gets another toe injury

Bailey or Glowinski - LG

Frenchie or Glowinski at C

Sweezy - RG

Poole or Britt - RT

 

Sokoli is a project. Poole could push Britt inside where his inability to handle speed guys is less of a problem. Or Poole could be a project at LT as well, if we don't sign Okung beyond this year.

 

I very much like the Lockett pick. Wish we didn't give up 4 picks for him, but then again, 11 guys weren't making the roster anyway.

 

I don't like the Clark pick. I think the guy is a miserable human being and I don't want him representing my colors. But the Hawks presumably know more about this situation than I do and maybe he'll turn his life around. I guess he offers a lot of explosive ability on the edge and could replace Irvin if we don't keep him.

 

Overall, not thrilled with draft but I've learned to trust the front office more often than not, especially with the late-round picks.

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So, the one UDFA I was watching just got signed by the Seahawks. I'm thinking Thomas Rawls beats our Michaels for the #3 spot. Any thoughts?

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I don't know anything about him. But if he can pass protect and actually learn a play book. He's already twice as good as girls name.

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I don't know anything about him. But if he can pass protect and actually learn a play book. He's already twice as good as girls name.

 

He's a BAMF with major character issues.

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He's a BAMF with major character issues.

 

His wikipedia page says his nickname is "Black Beast". Seems like a good fit for this team on nickname alone. Three charges of larceny on his record. Not a good sign, but I'd still much rather see that than an incident of DV, if it's a choice between the two.

 

He is 5'10" and 217 lbs, which is very similar stature to Lynch. Of course, almost no one breaks tackles like Lynch does. Todd Gurley does, so if the Rams ever get their O-line in order, look out.

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The bottom line is every team retools to beat the team that they lost to last year. Thats why we got a headcase pass rusher and speedster special teams guy. That is what we would need to beat NE.

 

Now, in the meantime ARE and StL are tooling up to beat us.

 

Gonna be a heck of a year.

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The Post Mortem.

 

I’d give the 2015 draft a grade of C-, which is uncharacteristically generous. Oh, yeah, I guess Jimmy Graham upgraded it a bit, all the way to a C-. Tremendous trade. The opposite of the Lockett trade.

 

There were many holes to fill on the team, despite Carroll and Schneider doing a song and dance number that all is well and that none of the draft picks were going to make the team anyway. It’s troubling that our most important wide receiver coming into this season is all of the sudden Chris Matthews. Jermaine Kearse signed his tender, so he and Doug Baldwin will start. Since there is no other legitimate WR on the roster, we have no choice but go two TE formation a lot. Lockett has zero chance to make an impact this year other than on special teams. Carroll doesn’t give playing time to rookie WRs, especially ones that are declared a backup on draft day. Lockett may have the same problems as Richardson last year. When we drafted Richardson, I admitted that he was fast, but declared he would get jammed at the line constantly and was prone to injury and was a bust. A year later, he constantly couldn’t get off the line of scrimmage and tore an ACL; he isn’t expected back until mid-season, if at all, this year. Lockett could theoretically get separation, if he can get past the jam at the line in the NFL. I don’t think he will adjust to press coverage with any rapidness. Norwood has no upside. Lockette won’t make the team. Matthews is the only hope. Would I rather have Ty Lockett or 4 other mid round picks. Obviously, the picks. If just one of those guys is a difference maker, great. Two? Perfect. With Lockett, you have to be 100% correct. It’s just math. So, to me, the trade blew a goat d!ck.

 

Frank Clark. Well, a risk reward player in the second round. Just like Girl’s Name. Geez, I hope Frank doesn't rough up poor Girl Name's. You know, the whole female thing. This selection is made much more critical since Michael Bennett and his agent have very recently formally requested a trade. Our best defensive lineman is pitching a fit over money. We did very little in adding to overall line depth during the draft. I would hope that when the compensation stage of free agency ends, we might be able to kick up a veteran or two to come into camp. And hopefully resign Kevin Williams, who might retire.

 

Remember when Schneider and Carroll said they would draft a QB every draft to develop them? Last QB we drafted was Russell Wilson, a number of drafts ago. We still don’t have a #2 or #3 QB under contract. BJ Daniels stunk in college, so don't expect much in the pros.

 

We added a few bodies for the offensive line from the draft. Our starting offensive line is now Bailey, Okung, Lewis, Britt, Sweezey. That is just awful. It’s going to be a long season for both Lynch and Wilson.

 

I don’t know how many defensive back players will start the season on the IR, but it’s going to be a couple for sure. I don’t think Jeremy Lane will be back this season at all.

 

The other guys drafted were projects. I have yet to sift through the chaff of UDFAs.

 

Three excellent, productive drafts, followed by the putrid drafts of 2013 and 2014. Seems like Carroll was familiar with the college players when he first came on board and was able to steal some gems. Not so much anymore. We've lost front office people. I don’t like where this trend is headed. I don’t think this team is as good as it was the past three years.

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The Post Mortem.

 

I’d give the 2015 draft a grade of C-, which is uncharacteristically generous. Oh, yeah, I guess Jimmy Graham upgraded it a bit, all the way to a C-. Tremendous trade. The opposite of the Lockett trade.

 

There were many holes to fill on the team, despite Carroll and Schneider doing a song and dance number that all is well and that none of the draft picks were going to make the team anyway. It’s troubling that our most important wide receiver coming into this season is all of the sudden Chris Matthews. Jermaine Kearse signed his tender, so he and Doug Baldwin will start. Since there is no other legitimate WR on the roster, we have no choice but go two TE formation a lot. Lockett has zero chance to make an impact this year other than on special teams. Carroll doesn’t give playing time to rookie WRs, especially ones that are declared a backup on draft day. Lockett may have the same problems as Richardson last year. When we drafted Richardson, I admitted that he was fast, but declared he would get jammed at the line constantly and was prone to injury and was a bust. A year later, he constantly couldn’t get off the line of scrimmage and tore an ACL; he isn’t expected back until mid-season, if at all, this year. Lockett could theoretically get separation, if he can get past the jam at the line in the NFL. I don’t think he will adjust to press coverage with any rapidness. Norwood has no upside. Lockette won’t make the team. Matthews is the only hope. Would I rather have Ty Lockett or 4 other mid round picks. Obviously, the picks. If just one of those guys is a difference maker, great. Two? Perfect. With Lockett, you have to be 100% correct. It’s just math. So, to me, the trade blew a goat d!ck.

 

Frank Clark. Well, a risk reward player in the second round. Just like Girl’s Name. Geez, I hope Frank doesn't rough up poor Girl Name's. You know, the whole female thing. This selection is made much more critical since Michael Bennett and his agent have very recently formally requested a trade. Our best defensive lineman is pitching a fit over money. We did very little in adding to overall line depth during the draft. I would hope that when the compensation stage of free agency ends, we might be able to kick up a veteran or two to come into camp. And hopefully resign Kevin Williams, who might retire.

 

Remember when Schneider and Carroll said they would draft a QB every draft to develop them? Last QB we drafted was Russell Wilson, a number of drafts ago. We still don’t have a #2 or #3 QB under contract. BJ Daniels stunk in college, so don't expect much in the pros.

 

We added a few bodies for the offensive line from the draft. Our starting offensive line is now Bailey, Okung, Lewis, Britt, Sweezey. That is just awful. It’s going to be a long season for both Lynch and Wilson.

 

I don’t know how many defensive back players will start the season on the IR, but it’s going to be a couple for sure. I don’t think Jeremy Lane will be back this season at all.

 

The other guys drafted were projects. I have yet to sift through the chaff of UDFAs.

 

Three excellent, productive drafts, followed by the putrid drafts of 2013 and 2014. Seems like Carroll was familiar with the college players when he first came on board and was able to steal some gems. Not so much anymore. We've lost front office people. I don’t like where this trend is headed. I don’t think this team is as good as it was the past three years.

I usually agree with you for the most part about many things, but I think I disagree with most everything.

 

You've pretty much hated on most EVERY pick we've ever had, other then the one year where it was a no brainer and top stud choices. Although, if I remember right you/most people wanted Berry/Safety. I was promoting Earl Thomas over him like crazy (Along with Spiller as my other top choice)

Even R. Wilson you hated on at the time.

I'm not sure if I remember one pick you actually loved right from the beginning?

 

The point - Most picks do not turn out. You're lucky to hit on a couple every year. So you saying you hate almost every pick continoually gives you a HIGH track record overall.

The trick is to see the good and bad ones equally. I personally loved the R. Wilson pick, loved the Wagner. I remember you saying you hated both at the time.

I hated Harper/WR with a passion, but some people from here thought he was our best pick that year along with Marsh.

 

And the complete point of ALL this is that no matter how bad you say all the drafts were, we've continoued to find overall talent and WIN. And this draft is not a sign of "bad things to come like you say". It's another draft with hits and misses.

 

I have of course been wrong too... I hated on Luke Willson, and I actually think he's turned out way better then I ever thought he would. I kind of liked Moffit who turned out to be a big bust. I liked the Richardson pick, but I still think he's got potential. He is frail, and I said at the time that will be his biggest issue.

From (limited use) of last year, I was shocked how slow he looks. Maybe it is that he's getting jammed at line or maybe NFL is to big for him. Most likely, he'll be to injury prone to ever ammount to anything. I maybe can see that now. Small school could have been the issue here too. Level not good enough.

 

But, as far as this draft evaluation goes. I love the Lockett pick. I think if Clark keeps his head straight he'll be dam good. I like the 2 Oline, but especially the 2nd one (guard) I also like the CB and think there is very big potential.

The rest of the draft - Blaaa - Reaches that they will have to groom up.

 

I think Lockett will be a solid 3rd down WR for us along with huge special teams play. I think he fits into this teams need perfectly. I think he does have great seperation which is a huge need for us at WR. I think he's got crisp moves at the line to get off most blocks. Catches well.

If nothing else - This is our new G. Tate. (Harvin potential)

 

Lockett to me is just like R. Wilson when we picked him. Sure, I would have liked to get him later (Or not give up so many picks and got him later) But, I want him bad! He's near the top for me rank wise. He's got that feel for me.

 

Also, I strongly disagree about his use for this team. If any WR could be utilized to their max it's him and with our needs. We'll use him in so many ways that helps this team in a big way. The key being - Helps/contributes big plays for this team.

 

Just a counter and my .02

 

I give the draft an A- when you add in Graham. And that's our big play weapon and goal line player. He's the big wide your looking for. Lockett fits our need.

The minus is cause I think we should have took another Oline or two late instead of more DE's. But, we might convert one I guess.

i still don't like there FAR reaches at the tail end of the draft - Those are UFA's to me.

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I usually agree with you for the most part about many things, but I think I disagree with most everything.

 

You've pretty much hated on most EVERY pick we've ever had, other then the one year where it was a no brainer and top stud choices. Although, if I remember right you/most people wanted Berry/Safety. I was promoting Earl Thomas over him like crazy (Along with Spiller as my other top choice)

Even R. Wilson you hated on at the time.

I'm not sure if I remember one pick you actually loved right from the beginning?

 

The point - Most picks do not turn out. You're lucky to hit on a couple every year. So you saying you hate almost every pick continoually gives you a HIGH track record overall.

The trick is to see the good and bad ones equally. I personally loved the R. Wilson pick, loved the Wagner. I remember you saying you hated both at the time.

I hated Harper/WR with a passion, but some people from here thought he was our best pick that year along with Marsh.

 

And the complete point of ALL this is that no matter how bad you say all the drafts were, we've continoued to find overall talent and WIN. And this draft is not a sign of "bad things to come like you say". It's another draft with hits and misses.

 

I have of course been wrong too... I hated on Luke Willson, and I actually think he's turned out way better then I ever thought he would. I kind of liked Moffit who turned out to be a big bust. I liked the Richardson pick, but I still think he's got potential. He is frail, and I said at the time that will be his biggest issue.

From (limited use) of last year, I was shocked how slow he looks. Maybe it is that he's getting jammed at line or maybe NFL is to big for him. Most likely, he'll be to injury prone to ever ammount to anything. I maybe can see that now. Small school could have been the issue here too. Level not good enough.

 

But, as far as this draft evaluation goes. I love the Lockett pick. I think if Clark keeps his head straight he'll be dam good. I like the 2 Oline, but especially the 2nd one (guard) I also like the CB and think there is very big potential.

The rest of the draft - Blaaa - Reaches that they will have to groom up.

 

I think Lockett will be a solid 3rd down WR for us along with huge special teams play. I think he fits into this teams need perfectly. I think he does have great seperation which is a huge need for us at WR. I think he's got crisp moves at the line to get off most blocks. Catches well.

If nothing else - This is our new G. Tate. (Harvin potential)

 

Lockett to me is just like R. Wilson when we picked him. Sure, I would have liked to get him later (Or not give up so many picks and got him later) But, I want him bad! He's near the top for me rank wise. He's got that feel for me.

 

Also, I strongly disagree about his use for this team. If any WR could be utilized to their max it's him and with our needs. We'll use him in so many ways that helps this team in a big way. The key being - Helps/contributes big plays for this team.

 

Just a counter and my .02

 

I give the draft an A- when you add in Graham. And that's our big play weapon and goal line player. He's the big wide your looking for. Lockett fits our need.

The minus is cause I think we should have took another Oline or two late instead of more DE's. But, we might convert one I guess.

i still don't like there FAR reaches at the tail end of the draft - Those are UFA's to me.

 

The 2010 draft, I think we were mostly locked in to Trent Williams or Eric Berry, and I preferred Berry since our secondary was so pitiful. I never even considered Okung might drop to us at #6. The day of the draft, rumor spread that Williams was going to go to Washington, I mocked the first 6 picks correctly, with us snagging Okung. I was thrilled. At that point, I switched gears and jumped on the Earl Thomas wagon. It was a flip of the script between the two positions. I was watching the draft with my neighbor, and when the Eagles traded up to get ahead of us by one spot, he celebrated getting Thomas. Oh, that was a fun, after they took B Graham and we grabbed Thomas. FACE. Let's not forget, Golden Tate followed. I loved all 3 picks and made it known. I dogged Tate his first two years for lack of effort and breaking into the doughnut place, but he finally figured it out. I loved those first 3 picks.

 

I stated that Russell Wilson was drafted too early. Which was incorrect. I pointed out that I thought the guy had talent, he had won me some money while playing at NC State, but he was on my radar. I thought at his height, he would have drifted into about the 5th round. I was wrong about his draft value. I had no issue with Bobby Wagner. I had him taken relatively close to his value, but I said at the time I thought Mychal Kendricks was the guy the Seahawks were looking at. Both turned out to be pretty good players.

 

I have a very good memory.

 

I dog a lot of these picks because they are bad picks. I screamed about James Carpenter, Bruce Irvin. Girl's Name, Justin Britt, Moffit, Paul Richardson, Chris Harper, Jordan Hill. I don't how many of these early picks panned out? Irvin isn't even playing the same position. It's not just this regime. I killed them for that Laurence Jackson, John Carlson, Chris Spencer, David Green....well, we know how bad Ruskell drafted. I could go on for days.

 

On the other hand, my 2nd biggest gaffe was screaming that Lofa Tatupu was taken 2 rounds too early. Those his career wasn't long, his play was spectacular. But his size, what I complained about, did him in with the injuries. Wilson, Tatupu, two blunders on my part.

 

It's not that I hate every early pick. Like I said, I was on board with Okung, Thomas, Tate, Wagner, for example. But most of your top picks should not wash out. And it happens here a lot more than other teams around the league. I'm not randomly killing them. I'm not going to necessarily agree with most picks wash out, but most picks in the first 3 rounds should not wash out.

 

Just giving my honest evaluation of the draft picks. No way around it. I'll never not be hyper critical. Higher expectations lead to higher results.

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The 2010 draft, I think we were mostly locked in to Trent Williams or Eric Berry, and I preferred Berry since our secondary was so pitiful. I never even considered Okung might drop to us at #6. The day of the draft, rumor spread that Williams was going to go to Washington, I mocked the first 6 picks correctly, with us snagging Okung. I was thrilled. At that point, I switched gears and jumped on the Earl Thomas wagon. It was a flip of the script between the two positions. I was watching the draft with my neighbor, and when the Eagles traded up to get ahead of us by one spot, he celebrated getting Thomas. Oh, that was a fun, after they took B Graham and we grabbed Thomas. FACE. Let's not forget, Golden Tate followed. I loved all 3 picks and made it known. I dogged Tate his first two years for lack of effort and breaking into the doughnut place, but he finally figured it out. I loved those first 3 picks.

 

I stated that Russell Wilson was drafted too early. Which was incorrect. I pointed out that I thought the guy had talent, he had won me some money while playing at NC State, but he was on my radar. I thought at his height, he would have drifted into about the 5th round. I was wrong about his draft value. I had no issue with Bobby Wagner. I had him taken relatively close to his value, but I said at the time I thought Mychal Kendricks was the guy the Seahawks were looking at. Both turned out to be pretty good players.

 

I have a very good memory.

 

I dog a lot of these picks because they are bad picks. I screamed about James Carpenter, Bruce Irvin. Girl's Name, Justin Britt, Moffit, Paul Richardson, Chris Harper, Jordan Hill. I don't how many of these early picks panned out? Irvin isn't even playing the same position. It's not just this regime. I killed them for that Laurence Jackson, John Carlson, Chris Spencer, David Green....well, we know how bad Ruskell drafted. I could go on for days.

 

On the other hand, my 2nd biggest gaffe was screaming that Lofa Tatupu was taken 2 rounds too early. Those his career wasn't long, his play was spectacular. But his size, what I complained about, did him in with the injuries. Wilson, Tatupu, two blunders on my part.

 

It's not that I hate every early pick. Like I said, I was on board with Okung, Thomas, Tate, Wagner, for example. But most of your top picks should not wash out. And it happens here a lot more than other teams around the league. I'm not randomly killing them. I'm not going to necessarily agree with most picks wash out, but most picks in the first 3 rounds should not wash out.

 

Just giving my honest evaluation of the draft picks. No way around it. I'll never not be hyper critical. Higher expectations lead to higher results.

Well, I agreed with you on a lot of those myself. (I hated Irvin, Carp, Britt, Harper, The dude that went to Oakland, etc)

 

I'm not sure if Christie has got a real chance yet being behind Lynch, and Turbin who I think could start for many teams.

But, for need wise and who I wanted - That was a stupid pick and I hated it. We didn't need a RB at all.

 

I still think Richardson and Christie have some talent based off my evaluations. I wouldn't have took them where we did though. But, I feel both have been so underused it's hard to say for sure yet. I think both have injury concerns. And the tape showed that!

 

I dont' see those issues with this draft. I see it being a better draft and similar to the R.Wilson draft.

 

And I'll go on record that I love Lockett to help our team greatly. (Not saying he's a 1,000 yard reciever, cause nobody is in our system)

But, he's going to bring tremendous value to the team. And I really like the guard. Clark should be good if no outside issues.

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I'll go in the middle. I grade this draft as a B.

 

I don't like the Clark pick for off-field reasons. I'm sure on the field he will be explosive, we just need him to be unexplosive off the field, permanently. But I don't think a tiger changes his stripes and so I think this will end badly somehow.

 

I love the Lockett pick. He was considered the hardest guy to cover in the Big 12, I read somewhere, according to a few defensive coordinators. He may look like Richardson, but his game is a lot more nuanced than Richardson's is I think. The ability to step in as KR/PR guy is a bonus. I see him being a major fixture in 3-WR sets and maybe adding a little Randall Cobb-like game to our attack.

 

Glowinski and Poole are like offensive line swiss-army knives; we just need to figure out where they'll play best. Hopefully they will be better than mediocre at those positions. Carp was mediocre, and Britt can't pass block to save his life, so really the only valuable cog we lost was Unger - who missed 13 of the last 32 games with injuries. So Frenchie or someone else (Glowinski? Sokoli?) is going to have to step up, but if we get anything that approaches Unger's level, the trade was an absolute home run.

 

The Tye Smith pick looks almost Sherman-like. Same round, same body frame, same film-junkie mentality. I'm not saying he's the next Sherman, but the similarities are a bit eerie. Very excited to see what he can do out there.

 

The other guys all have unique athletic qualities and if they work out, great. They may be nothing more than camp bodies.

 

I have to remind myself that injuries played a huge part in minimizing the value from the last few drafts. Richardson was actually playing pretty well for 3 or 4 games before he got injured. It started to look like the lightbulb had finally gone on. Jordan Hill was an absolute wrecking machine in the middle, disruptive all over the place, just before he got hurt. I say, if Hill doesn't get injured, we would have beaten New England. He and Bennett combined would have been enough to throw Tom Brady off his game. Bennett nearly did it single-handedly early on, and then we lost Avril, and then Bennett got tired.

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I'm all aboard with the Glowinski and Poole picks. And philly is gonna eat some crow with Lockett.

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I'll go in the middle. I grade this draft as a B.

 

I don't like the Clark pick for off-field reasons. I'm sure on the field he will be explosive, we just need him to be unexplosive off the field, permanently. But I don't think a tiger changes his stripes and so I think this will end badly somehow.

 

I love the Lockett pick. He was considered the hardest guy to cover in the Big 12, I read somewhere, according to a few defensive coordinators. He may look like Richardson, but his game is a lot more nuanced than Richardson's is I think. The ability to step in as KR/PR guy is a bonus. I see him being a major fixture in 3-WR sets and maybe adding a little Randall Cobb-like game to our attack.

 

Glowinski and Poole are like offensive line swiss-army knives; we just need to figure out where they'll play best. Hopefully they will be better than mediocre at those positions. Carp was mediocre, and Britt can't pass block to save his life, so really the only valuable cog we lost was Unger - who missed 13 of the last 32 games with injuries. So Frenchie or someone else (Glowinski? Sokoli?) is going to have to step up, but if we get anything that approaches Unger's level, the trade was an absolute home run.

 

The Tye Smith pick looks almost Sherman-like. Same round, same body frame, same film-junkie mentality. I'm not saying he's the next Sherman, but the similarities are a bit eerie. Very excited to see what he can do out there.

 

The other guys all have unique athletic qualities and if they work out, great. They may be nothing more than camp bodies.

 

I have to remind myself that injuries played a huge part in minimizing the value from the last few drafts. Richardson was actually playing pretty well for 3 or 4 games before he got injured. It started to look like the lightbulb had finally gone on. Jordan Hill was an absolute wrecking machine in the middle, disruptive all over the place, just before he got hurt. I say, if Hill doesn't get injured, we would have beaten New England. He and Bennett combined would have been enough to throw Tom Brady off his game. Bennett nearly did it single-handedly early on, and then we lost Avril, and then Bennett got tired.

Great post... I agree.

The only thing is when you add in Graham as part of our draft, who is a huge upgrade for all our recievers, then that seems more like an A draft to me.

 

I think Philly could eat some crow on Lockett too. ;)

 

 

One thing I absolutely love if nothing else. Our FO clearly knows our weaknesses and which position to draft. For years, we never even picked the right position let alone the player/talent.

 

This FO picks the right postion EVERY year. Sometimes they just don't always turn out.

 

-The year we needed RB,Oline, Def backs/Safety's - We draft Okung and Earl. We also land Lynch and Leon Washington.

-The next year we needed CB's and got some good ones including Sherman/Maxwell/Cam/Etc.

-The year we needed DE: We drafted Irvin with our first available pick. (I wanted W. Mercerlus) - But, hit the position again.

-We needed QB really bad and made a bunch of free agent moves - But, then landed Wilson.

-Last year we needed WR very bad (We drafted 2 plus this year we get another one AND added Graham to solidify it)

-This year we needed Oline and hit that after putting the finishing touches on our other needs at TE/DE/WR.

 

I'm sure I'm missing some or whatever. But, the bottom line is we no our weaknesses, which is the very first step of solid drafting and rebuilding.

Our prior FO's had no clue what we even needed let alone hit on them.

 

I just wish they would install a little bit of "Balt (Ozzy)" draft style. This would also make Phillybear happy I bet. Get those value picks-ranked guys that dropped late in the draft (And even early on).

Instead, we take measurable reaches. Guy's from small schools, etc. I'd prefer we take those reaches with UFA's instead.

 

Anyway, I'm exited to see Graham and Lockett on our already dominate offense. I'm exited to finally have an actual kick returner too. The garbage we had last year was SO bad. We never got to see Harvin all that much because he was always hurt. This could be a big upgrade for our team and short field position!

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