***The Official 2015 Seattle Seahawks Offseason Thread***

[Vikings4ever 550]

69 for 96, 112, 167, 181

 

They got someone they love...

[Hawkfin 32]

Just watched some youtube... Need to drill into more games, but I came across REALLY impressed.

Need to do much more research, but no way is he a 4th round grade like you mocked.

 

He's easily a 2nd or 3rd if not much better.

 

My impressions of him showed some SWEET pass rush ability. He looks like a Clemmons clone to me.

He's got speed, bull rush, and holds up very well on run support. I saw some massive hits too. His edge rushing looked really really good to me.

Listened to an interview and even came away impressed with that too. Seems like a smart player.

 

This is no Irvin IMO. He's a true DE and plays the part. I would have rated him higher then Irvin easily.

 

True DE's are hard to find. Those that can pass rush and run stop are near impossible to find.
6'2 277 so he has some great size to boot.

 

I'm ok with this pick. I might actually love it after more research AS LONG AS WE GET SOME OLINE

[phillybear 366]

Just watched some youtube... Need to drill into more games, but I came across REALLY impressed.

Need to do much more research, but no way is he a 4th round grade like you mocked.

 

He's easily a 2nd or 3rd if not much better.

 

My impressions of him showed some SWEET pass rush ability. He looks like a Clemmons clone to me.

He's got speed, bull rush, and holds up very well on run support. I saw some massive hits too. His edge rushing looked really really good to me.

Listened to an interview and even came away impressed with that too. Seems like a smart player.

 

This is no Irvin IMO. He's a true DE and plays the part. I would have rated him higher then Irvin easily.

 

True DE's are hard to find. Those that can pass rush and run stop are near impossible to find.

6'2 277 so he has some great size to boot.

 

I'm ok with this pick. I might actually love it after more research AS LONG AS WE GET SOME OLINE

 

He was a 6th round pick up until about a week ago. I was generous in giving him a 4th round grade. He has off the field issues.

[phillybear 366]

69 for 96, 112, 167, 181

 

They got someone they love...

 

Unfortunately, it's not somebody that I love.

 

Pick = Fail.

 

Beep. Beep. Here comes the Fayledozer.

[phillybear 366]

We just gave up 4 picks for a guy that is going to return punts.

 

So dumb.

[e-factor 13]

Thought Strong would be the pick there..................

[phillybear 366]

This draft is a Ruskell type of disaster, but worse. I can't even watch any more. See y'all tomorrow.

[phillybear 366]

We just drafted a Kansas St WR in the 4th round like 3 years ago, and he didn't make the roster coming into the season. Chris Harper, I think.

Why? Just, why?

[phillybear 366]

4 focking pick for Lockett? Are you kidding me? John Schneider just made a horrible trade. Worst trade he ever made. Does he have a trade chart in the vicinity. I can't believe I just used the word vicinity being this lit up. 4 Goddam picks for Lockett? I am going nuts here. Fock.

[Hawkfin 32]

Hate giving up all that. Probably NOT worth it, especially with Sammie Coats and Strong on the board.

 

However, I really do like Lockett. I think he could be our new Harvin. He's what we need with big potential for a good WR too.

He really is a HUGE need and will plug right into our already stacked team and contribute.

 

Here's where he'll make a big impact for us:

1. Kickoff and/or punt returner. HUGE NEED FOR US. Both positions

2. Harvin gimmick or quick passes/Slot. Stud in this area. Maybe a S.Smith type. Uses open field to make something happen.

3. Deep threat. Not sure about this, but he seems like he can get deep. Richardson wasn't up to par in this area, maybe he is.

4. WR team speed and another good option. (Move the chains player/Baldwin replacement)

5. Good special teams on coverage. This could mean the end of our other Locket finally who for some reason was given the game winning play in the SB. This guy will make a better option for us with overall potential in every facet.

6. WR separation. Something our WR's struggle with very badly.

7. He's put up WR stats to go along with amazing special teams player.

 

Gave a lot and I'm shocked not much focus on our Oline yet, but I can't hate on this pick. I liked him when he was posted on here awhile ago. He's the type of WR we actually need now that we got Graham/tall WR.

[Hawkfin 32]

Harper was a joke and never any good.

 

He's no Harper. Maybe this is a Baldwin replacement someday soon also.

[Kopy 570]

Lockett is a good pick. We gave up alot more than i would have wanted too, but still a good pick. Guy will be an immediate impact in our return game and he'll have value at wr too. You guys with your sammy coats love baffels the heck out me.

 

I have no clue on our second rounder. Heard his potential is off the charts. BUUUUUUT the dude is a pretty big headcase.

[Kopy 570]

P.S. Queensryche put on an awesome show. And Jim Kellys daughter is f0cking hot!

[HawkLatino 0]

PFF graded him as the second wide receiver close to Cooper, that's how good he is! Lockett can beat you in any part of the field. This kid can ball and is very similar to Brandon Cooks from last year.

[phillybear 366]

Upon further reflection...

 

I'm OK with the Frank Clark pick. Yeah, we took him a bit early, but he'll back up Arvil at the LEO and will rotate in. I would have preferred to take a guy that might compete for a starting spot, but whatever. Dline help is always good to get in a draft, especially since our pass rush took a step backwards last season. If Marsh and Hill come back healthy, maybe the line will be OK.

 

I am furiously enraged at the Lockette pick. I stopped watching the draft which never happens. I had trouble sleeping. We need an outside WR that is a deep threat. Tall, short, doesn't matter, we know Lockette is short. We need some one that can start and stretch the defense. So we trade Max Unger, Percy Harvin, a 4th and a 5th round pick for a guy that will fair catch the ball on punts. Whoop De Fricking Doo. He plays in the slot. You who else plays in the slot? Doug Baldwin and Jimmy Graham. Lockette has zero chance to start and nearly no chance to contribute other than returning kicks. Did we need a return guy? Sure. But we are coming off two lousy drafts and a lousy draft this year ensures that our window to compete for titles will slam shut within 2 seasons. You simply cannot overcome 3 terrible drafts in a row in the NFL. So, we went from 11 picks down to 8, absolutely squandered a chance to draft a bunch of guys that need to improve our depth, haven't addressed the offensive line, haven't drafted a guy that could start on the team, and picked a return specialist at the top of the 3rd round. You might as well take a punter at that point. A specialist.

 

Schneider said last night that they took 2 of 3 players that were "must have". Let me be clear. This is very stupid way to run a draft. You set up a board with value assignments and try to grab as many good players that will fit your schemes as possible. You don't circle 3 players names and declare that you will do everything possible to get them, damn the costs associated. It's dumb. You start to fock up, like the Redskins stealing your picks from you. What, the value chart says the trade was fair? Seattle lives on the mid round picks. That's their sweet spot. Everybody knows that they suck in taking players from rounds 1-3, and excel at picking guysin rounds 4-7. And we just handed away 4 picks from the sweet spot. Schneider is an absolutely great GM, but he is completely lost the last 2.5 drafts. It's like he just woke up from a coma and has forgotten his skill sets.

 

Now, with these 6 remaing picks, we need to draft around 4 offensive lineman, a RB to replace Girl's Name Bust, get it, bust?, 2 linebackers, a DT, a corner, a safety, and a backup QB. And we still need a WR that can play on the outside and be a deep threat because Richardson showed absolutely zero ability to do what we was drafted for. Oh, wait, I am talking like we have 9 picks left, not 6. Six. Because giving away that many picks with so many needs would be nuts. I must be taking crazy pills.

 

Well, let's all get on our knees and pray we get lucky with UDFAs.

[Kopy 570]

This is kind of funny. But hell, it wouldn't be a seahawk draft thread if it wasn't.

But me and Philly are completely opposite on our thoughts. That Frank Clark pick really makes me nervous, and i'm not comfortable with it at all. The more i read, the kid sounds like a thug who might be hard to controll. Where Lockett, i love the pick. He was my number 4 rated wr and i only had 7 that i really liked.

[Hawkfin 32]

Funny that you guys are on both ends of the spectrum... I like both picks. Hate the draft captial we gave up and hate that Oline was not addressed.

HOWEVER, we still have 2 picks in the 4th. If we pick 2 Oline there. (And my top 2 guards I really like are both there plus 3 others) then I'll be very happy with this draft.

 

First to Kopy,

Listen to some Clark interviews and tell me if he sounds like a thug and acts like it? He sounds very professional to me.

I know that's just listening to him, but the guy seems really intelegent. His play on the field is amazing. AND if he didn't have those off field problems then he easily would have been a 1st round pick. We may have stole this guy if we can keep him straight. His career is on the line so these things can be correctable.

 

His play on the field though makes me love this pick.

Part of why we lost that SB is becuase Avril went down and we had absolutely nothing for pressure. I said all year that Clemmons was the biggest loss and really hurt us. Now we lost Schofield who was our 2nd best pressure guy. We lost the ability to move Bennett inside. Irvin may be gone who played like a DE sometimes. Avril is on the older side. DE makes perfect sense to me. We rotate these guys in so he'll definatley be starting more then Phillybear thinks IMO.

 

 

Irvin is more of a thug type then this guy and you can tell he talks like one/Stupid.

I can easily blow off Clarks off field issues to being young and immature and probably can grow from it.

 

At Phillybear:

I don't see Baldwin as a slot guy at all. I think he's better on the outside. I would argue against Graham being in the slot too. Pretty sure he'll be in his TE role mostly and go deep up to 30 yards/box out guy too. Or if he does move to the slot, maybe we use two slot guys on both sides.

 

We have room for a stud slot guy that moves the chains with great seperation.

I don't see a Welker type on this team? And I don't see a gimmick/Harvin on this team?

I think Lockett fits in perfect, and I think he might get more WR play then you think. I'm also not sure he's not a deep threat that you say we need. I saw him go deep often on tape, and I think he's got the speed to do it well.

I'll tell you this: If that is what you wanted then Sammie Coats was not that. And neither was Strong. Those two guy's fill the tall - box out role. They play more like Graham will. (And our tall dude)

 

I can see why John said these guy's were "must have's". I think he meant the style of play/possition. We lost the SB because of both these factors. No pressure at DE once Avril left plus our loses respectively, and bad seperation at WR and Lockett not being good enough. And NO special teams at all.

 

On the reverse side we won the SB against Denver "in part", with major pressure on the QB, good special teams play (Kick return TD), and wides that got open all day long.

 

Getting a great kick returner while also giving us a very good WR was not going to happen late. I origianlly said, we can at least try to find something like that since Graham bought us time.

But, I think we succeeded with both by going early with this guy in praticular.

 

We just need 2 Oline next.

I disagree we need to draft QB, disagree we need a RB, and we did bring in 2 CB's already. And our LB's are ok if we keep Irvin probably.

 

So really it's Oline & DT & maybe CB - So we have plenty of picks to fill these. But, I want 2 Oline in the 4th I think now. But, they are holding with the theory Cable can plug anybody into the mix I guess. Are centers are fine too. We really just need to find guard/Tackle.

 

Our offense is going to be scary good now to me.

 

This guy can also do kick off returns and not just punt. Those are 2 major positions of need.

[phillybear 366]

Compensation picks can't be traded. The game plan today should be to trade 4.31 for a 5th and a 6th. Need more picks. Then hopefully take somebody useful at 4.35

[phillybear 366]

We have the shortest QB in the league. He can't see over the top of the offensive line. And our pass protection is hideous. Yet, we have never replaced Sidney Rice, the tall WR that can go deep and work the sidelines. Lockett is a guy that will play in the middle of the field in the league, and he's short. There is less chance for Wilson to actually see Lockett running a route, unless Wilson rolls out and finds Lockett on the same side of the field. Lockett might be a factor if Baldwin is not resigned at some point, but I doubt that ever happens since he is big leader in the locker room and his angry attitude is up there with Lynch in setting a tone. I think Lockett is redundant with Baldwin. In the press conference, Carroll or Schneider literally said that Lockett will back up Baldwin as if it was some kind of bonus to returning kicks. He's a slot guy. Baldwin will improvise when Wilson scrambles, but I believe Baldwin is a slot guy.

[phillybear 366]

And another thing. Depending on low round picks to stock our offensive line....isn't working. Neither are early round picks. Since arriving in Seattle, name the offensive linemen that was molded by Cable into a decent player. Quick, answer. Struggling to come with names? The reason is there is only one. JR Sweezey. Unger predated Carroll. Okung got drafted the year before Cable got here. I can't think of any other lineman worth a spit that Cable improved other than Sweezey. And now we are putting our soon to be 25 million dollar a year QB behind a duct tape and chicken wire patched up JV line. It's depressing.

[Hawkfin 32]

We have the shortest QB in the league. He can't see over the top of the offensive line. And our pass protection is hideous. Yet, we have never replaced Sidney Rice, the tall WR that can go deep and work the sidelines. Lockett is a guy that will play in the middle of the field in the league, and he's short. There is less chance for Wilson to actually see Lockett running a route, unless Wilson rolls out and finds Lockett on the same side of the field. Lockett might be a factor if Baldwin is not resigned at some point, but I doubt that ever happens since he is big leader in the locker room and his angry attitude is up there with Lynch in setting a tone. I think Lockett is redundant with Baldwin. In the press conference, Carroll or Schneider literally said that Lockett will back up Baldwin as if it was some kind of bonus to returning kicks. He's a slot guy. Baldwin will improvise when Wilson scrambles, but I believe Baldwin is a slot guy.

Well, I'm not sure they are that happy with Baldwin first of all.... His angry style (while good) also gives bad publicity/penalties/among other things.

He's also not great.

So IF this becomes a replacement for Baldwin it could happen sooner rather then later someday.

Baldwin doesn't have great seperation, which is why is "appears" like Wilson cant' see them.

 

I also see Lockett doing some of the things Harvin was doing for us. Screens, dump off's, etc. I think those plays are still very much in play for us. But, Baldwin can't do it, and Harvin was let go for team issues IMO. Not that they wanted to replace those plays.

 

I think Baldwin and Lockett can easily co-exist though. Baldwin was not good enough to take all the pressure on himself. He'll need to fit it like he did with Harvin is my feeling.

 

I still don't see why Lockett can't be a deep threat too. Kearse is a tall/jump ball deep threat. This guy might be a speed/get open deep threat.

(See S. Smith who's short)

[phillybear 366]

Well, I'm not sure they are that happy with Baldwin first of all.... His angry style (while good) also gives bad publicity/penalties/among other things.

He's also not great.

So IF this becomes a replacement for Baldwin it could happen sooner rather then later someday.

Baldwin doesn't have great seperation, which is why is "appears" like Wilson cant' see them.

 

I also see Lockett doing some of the things Harvin was doing for us. Screens, dump off's, etc. I think those plays are still very much in play for us. But, Baldwin can't do it, and Harvin was let go for team issues IMO. Not that they wanted to replace those plays.

 

I think Baldwin and Lockett can easily co-exist though. Baldwin was not good enough to take all the pressure on himself. He'll need to fit it like he did with Harvin is my feeling.

 

I still don't see why Lockett can't be a deep threat too. Kearse is a tall/jump ball deep threat. This guy might be a speed/get open deep threat.

(See S. Smith who's short)

 

Baldwin isn't a #1 WR. He's playing againt the other team's best cover guys, and that's not what we want. Baldwin is a #2. Kearse just isn't good enough and his hands not good enough to be a starter, but as a top reserve, a #4. We need to find a #1 or a #3 at some point to help the offense. I don't think Lockett is one of those guys. Maybe he proves me wrong. I hope he proves me wrong. Sincerely. I think he will be on this team. Trading all those picks for him, not good.

 

I can see Lockett getting some Harvin type play calls. But, that is also the same time Seattle went 3-3 to start last season and lost their offensive identity. They got rid of Harvin and rededicated themselves to the run game, and won almost every game the rest of the season. Since we will be running the ball a lot, Baldwin will remain in the game while Lockett will be on the sidelines as I don't see Lockett as much of a run blocker down the field. They might call a play or two a game for Lockett, but it's going to take injuries for him to get any significant playing time any time soon. I've been super critical of the early round picks of the Seahawks for many years, when I feel they were bad picks, because I think they get it wrong much more often than not. Which is super frustrating.

 

It's all speculation at this point. And I'm grumpy.

 

Moving on. 4th round. This is the part of the draft when I try to give the benefit of the doubt for each pick. Yeah, right. I can see all of you rolling your eyes.

[phillybear 366]

I can still recall that magical day when on day one, we took Okung, Thomas, and Tate. I was on top of the world. The Seattle draft thread was a party. I couldn't find anything to be angry at. Not a thing. Good times, good times.

 

Man, it's been a while.

[Hawkfin 32]

 

Baldwin isn't a #1 WR. He's playing againt the other team's best cover guys, and that's not what we want. Baldwin is a #2. Kearse just isn't good enough and his hands not good enough to be a starter, but as a top reserve, a #4. We need to find a #1 or a #3 at some point to help the offense. I don't think Lockett is one of those guys. Maybe he proves me wrong. I hope he proves me wrong. Sincerely. I think he will be on this team. Trading all those picks for him, not good.

 

I can see Lockett getting some Harvin type play calls. But, that is also the same time Seattle went 3-3 to start last season and lost their offensive identity. They got rid of Harvin and rededicated themselves to the run game, and won almost every game the rest of the season. Since we will be running the ball a lot, Baldwin will remain in the game while Lockett will be on the sidelines as I don't see Lockett as much of a run blocker down the field. They might call a play or two a game for Lockett, but it's going to take injuries for him to get any significant playing time any time soon. I've been super critical of the early round picks of the Seahawks for many years, when I feel they were bad picks, because I think they get it wrong much more often than not. Which is super frustrating.

 

It's all speculation at this point. And I'm grumpy.

 

Moving on. 4th round. This is the part of the draft when I try to give the benefit of the doubt for each pick. Yeah, right. I can see all of you rolling your eyes.

I agree with all that.

 

I just think Lockett does fill that 3rd WR and could make for a better #2 then Baldwin someday. Or at least a better slot WR. I still say Baldin kind of plays outside more then inside. Def's might also need to focus on Lockett allowing Boldin just a bit more freedom.

 

Overall - I expext us to still pound the ball. In which case, your right Lockett might not be on the field. But, when we need to pass he'll become a big threat.

Untill Baldwin or Kearse is gone, I don't see any rookie coming in and replacing them. Not with our late pick. That's why I didn't want to go WR in the first place.

BUT, I see the needs for this practicular WR and how we can use him.

 

 

I agree we maybe still do not have a #1. But, I'm not sure any other player would have been. Even Sammie Coats who's not a deep threat wouldn't have been.

But, we have Graham who is our #1 now.

[phillybear 366]

Seattle just tried to trade up to the first pick in the 4th. Sigh. This is not going well at all. They are twisting the knife now. We'll make two picks today.

[Hawkfin 32]

Said they want quality over quantity.... They think the team is deep I guess and most won't make it.

 

 

One thing about this that might be ok - They pick up a ton of undrafted players that end up being just as good as some of their reaches in the draft.

I have no problems with getting quality and then picking up a TON of guy's that went undrafted. That could work out well actually if they can find guy's undrafted. A good example of that would be at QB & RB where you said we need somebody.

 

Not a bad plan really that is kind of off the box thinking. The problem is we have some pretty good size holes IMO. And I'd rather trade all my 6's and 7th and some how get three 4's. I don't think we need to move up here. LOTS of good gaurds on the table.

 

NE just got my favorite guard.

[phillybear 366]

There will be a need for the UDFAs to hit, because if we draft like 4 guys, if you don't go 4 for 4, or even 3 for 4, the draft is a disaster. We certainly have more than 4 holes. Our track record the past two seasons is pitiful if you look at the picks we made. We have maybe 2 guys that project to be starters or eventual starters, Britt and Pierre-Louis. We lose a bunch of guys in the offseason, and don't replace them.

 

It's a bit arrogant of the front office to say most of our draft picks won't make the team. So what? Let them come in and compete. That's supposed to be the philosophy.

 

Watching the results of the past few days, I'm not sure if Seattle is any better than St Louis and Arizona, and could very realistically finish in 3rd place this season. Those teams are built to beat the Seahawks now.

[Kopy 570]

I will agree 100% with philly. Yes we did trade too much to move up for Lockett. But here we are. After 3 rounds, with Graham, Clark , and Lockett this team did address 3 big issues. Need for te, need for a wr who is also a special teams ace, and need for a pass rusher on the edge.

Philly you'll come around on Lockett just like you did on Wilson. I'm sure of it.

Now lets get some olinemen and some more defense.

[Hawkfin 32]

I will agree 100% with philly. Yes we did trade too much to move up for Lockett. But here we are. After 3 rounds, with Graham, Clark , and Lockett this team did address 3 big issues. Need for te, need for a wr who is also a special teams ace, and need for a pass rusher on the edge.

Philly you'll come around on Lockett just like you did on Wilson. I'm sure of it.

Now lets get some olinemen and some more defense.

I assume you meant you agree with me? Everything you said supports what i've been saying.

Just a mistype I assume.

 

Yes - I think IF we can add a couple good (I hope from my top list) Oline here, that this draft could be very impressive!

Especially when you add Graham into the mix in all this.

[Hawkfin 32]

Were getting close. Glad we did not trade up!
Although Tre Jackson would have been sweet to get.

 

But, my top Oline:
1. Laken Tomlinson (Guard) Like this kid a lot

2. Cameron Erving (Can play Center or Tackle)

3. Arie Kouandijio (He can play Tackle)

4. AJ Cann - Good at pulling guard

5. Jamil Douglas - Sleeper pick who I like

 

Can't remember if TJ Clemmings is gone, but he might be ok too.

[phillybear 366]

Look for one of these guys in the 4th

Jarvis Harrison, OG, Texas A&M

Laurence Gibson, OT, Virginia Tech

[phillybear 366]

Were getting close. Glad we did not trade up!

Although Tre Jackson would have been sweet to get.

 

But, my top Oline:

1. Laken Tomlinson (Guard) Like this kid a lot

2. Cameron Erving (Can play Center or Tackle)

3. Arie Kouandijio (He can play Tackle)

4. AJ Cann - Good at pulling guard

5. Jamil Douglas - Sleeper pick who I like

 

Can't remember if TJ Clemmings is gone, but he might be ok too.

 

All six are all long, long gone. Tomlinson and Erving went in the first round.

[Hawkfin 32]

Look for one of these guys in the 4th

Jarvis Harrison, OG, Texas A&M

Laurence Gibson, OT, Virginia Tech

I hate Jarvis Harrison! I dropped him almost off my list.... NO Motor, stops on plays and quits.

Decent at pass pro though. Does NO pulling. Tough guy that looks and plays weak.

I gave him a 5-6th round grade.

[Hawkfin 32]

 

All six are all long, long gone. Tomlinson and Erving went in the first round.

hahahah

wow. Sorry, I guess I"m not keeping up with pics.

[phillybear 366]

I'd be willing to gamble on La'en Collins too.

[Chasers Dawg 9]

4th rd are lottery anyhow so may as well take La'el Collins and hope he is not involved

[phillybear 366]

I hate Jarvis Harrison! I dropped him almost off my list.... NO Motor, stops on plays and quits.

Decent at pass pro though. Does NO pulling. Tough guy that looks and plays weak.

I gave him a 5-6th round grade.

 

Sadly, we are just running out of options. The offensive line pickings are very slim right now.

[Chasers Dawg 9]

pick is in

[Chasers Dawg 9]

Poole OT

[phillybear 366]

Terry Poole, OT, San Diego St.

 

I had him going in the 7th round. Still, he came in for a visit so the team likes him. I'd rather have a OG than an OT right now, but we have to pull the trigger on somebody. I'm OK with the pick.