Bert 1,128 Posted July 15, 2021 1 hour ago, IGotWorms said: What I’m pushing back on is the propaganda of focusing on this as a way to attack and undermine all alternative fuel sources. That’s what the oil and gas industry, and Bert, want to do. And that is were you are incorrect. I am pushing back on the propaganda from environmentalist politicians claiming they are helping the environment and want additional tax dollars to keep fighting when they are not actually helping the environment. I believe nuclear needs to be part of the solution. Battery technology would also be a huge game changer for renewables. Solar is not a long tern solution unless there are huge technological advances. Land and land cost are a limiting factor for solar as it currently stands. The biggest problem the world faces, in regard to the environment, is it is full of hypocrites. No one wants to change their behavior, or be inconvenienced or pay more to curb their energy consumption. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MTSkiBum 1,626 Posted July 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bert said: And that is were you are incorrect. I am pushing back on the propaganda from environmentalist politicians claiming they are helping the environment and want additional tax dollars to keep fighting when they are not actually helping the environment. I believe nuclear needs to be part of the solution. Battery technology would also be a huge game changer for renewables. Solar is not a long tern solution unless there are huge technological advances. Land and land cost are a limiting factor for solar as it currently stands. The biggest problem the world faces, in regard to the environment, is it is full of hypocrites. No one wants to change their behavior, or be inconvenienced or pay more to curb their energy consumption. You have land as a negative for solar, when it should be a positive. A quick google search shows that there are 2 million acres of rooftops. Every Home Depot, Walmart, etc needs to have rooftop solar panels as soon as possible, residential should not be far behind. This is why i think it is the most important renewable energy, because we have all that wasted space that you can use for solar panels. Solar plants are a dead end and these projects need to stop. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bert 1,128 Posted July 15, 2021 10 minutes ago, MTSkiBum said: You have land as a negative for solar, when it should be a positive. A quick google search shows that there are 2 million acres of rooftops. Every Home Depot, Walmart, etc needs to have rooftop solar panels as soon as possible, residential should not be far behind. Solar plants are a dead end, but panels on roofs needs to be a large part of our future energy supply. I agree the roof tops are a great demand side way to reduce consumption. I was referring to commercial solar facilities. This also costs money. Look at California, the poor pay more because they can't afford the solar panels. The power company's agree to buy production from solar panels on homes. They accumulate credits during the day during off peak demand and use them to offset cost when power demand peaks from 5:00-7:00pm. The problem is if you can not afford the cost to put panels on your house you pay more for that peak electricity without any credit off sets. There are times during the day our solar facilities are curtailed because demand isn't high and there is increasing supply from solar. ETA: Requiring Government buildings and commercial building to have roof top solar would be helpful in my estimation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IGotWorms 4,063 Posted July 15, 2021 20 minutes ago, Bert said: And that is were you are incorrect. I am pushing back on the propaganda from environmentalist politicians claiming they are helping the environment and want additional tax dollars to keep fighting when they are not actually helping the environment. I believe nuclear needs to be part of the solution. Battery technology would also be a huge game changer for renewables. Solar is not a long tern solution unless there are huge technological advances. Land and land cost are a limiting factor for solar as it currently stands. The biggest problem the world faces, in regard to the environment, is it is full of hypocrites. No one wants to change their behavior, or be inconvenienced or pay more to curb their energy consumption. Fair enough, those are all issues for sure. But as long as we agree that moving away from fossil fuels is an imminently necessary measure, we’re good Share this post Link to post Share on other sites