UPDATE: Derek Carr headed to the Saints

[Ray_T 753]

6 minutes ago, Gepetto said:

Wins and losses is not an official NFL stat for a QB. Prove that it is?

this is silly.  I dont think I need to dignify this with a response.   I dont know how many times commentators on TV mention how many wins and losses a QB has in various situations (and overall)  a stat is anything that is quantifiable that people keep track of.      wins and losses are a stat.    and I'm not gonna participate in this argument further as Its such a stupid argument I feel my IQ lowering just by having associated myself with this debate (if you can call it such)

[Maximum Overkill 1,988]

1 hour ago, Ray_T said:

why? 

How many QBs in NFL history have won 2 Superbowls and 2 Superbowl MVPs? A handful if that? They won those Supers on his back, one being a huge upset. 

Yes, that alone is Hall of Fame worthy. For Christs sake, kickers are in the hall of Fame. 

 

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2 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Willing to bet if Carr does that in New Orleans it'll be "Yeah, but he wasn't really all that good most of his career".

Willing to bet Carr doesn't do it in New Orleans or anywhere else...

[Ray_T 753]

4 hours ago, jrokh said:

Willing to bet Carr doesn't do it in New Orleans or anywhere else...

Thats your opinion I guess.

most of Carrs Career he had no legit #1 WR and had a bad team around him.    I assure you that doesnt help the stats.   

with the exception of his last year with the raiders, the only guy he had to throw to for most of those years that any of you have heard of was Waller.

yes, he was an average performer, but of all the average performers, hes the guy who had the least to work with in terms of talent.    I guess the question is whether he can up his game with better talent on the field.    We shall see.   obviously one of us will be right and one of us will be wrong.    hehe we can resume this discussion once our sample size in terms of games played in New Orleans is a bit larger.

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3 hours ago, Ray_T said:

most of Carrs Career he had no legit #1 WR and had a bad team around him.    I assure you that doesnt help the stats.   

The Raiders got better when Carr left, and that was with no QB. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

14 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

How many QBs in NFL history have won 2 Superbowls and 2 Superbowl MVPs? A handful if that? They won those Supers on his back, one being a huge upset. 

Yes, that alone is Hall of Fame worthy. For Christs sake, kickers are in the hall of Fame. 

 

Tom Brady has 3 Super Bowls, specifically because of his kicker.  Just sayin'.

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

4 hours ago, Maximum Overkill said:

The Raiders got better when Carr left, and that was with no QB. 

Raiders 2022 (w/Carr): OFF: 12th PF/12th YD    DEF: 26th PA / 28th YD
Raiders 2023 (w/o Carr): OFF: 23rd PF/27th YD    DEF: 9th PA / 15th YD

Tell me where they got better and try to tie that to the offense and Carr?

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5 minutes ago, TBayXXXVII said:

Tell me where they got better and try to tie that to the offense and Carr?

Check their record. They couldn't win games with Carr, he chokes late in games. 

That's always been an issue with him. 

[TBayXXXVII 2,545]

11 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Check their record. They couldn't win games with Carr, he chokes late in games. 

That's always been an issue with him. 

LOL, from 2015 to 2022 (8 seasons), he ranked in the top 4 in come from behind wins 6 times.  Tell me again how much he chokes late in games.  Oh, to note, he ranks 3rd among active QB's with 28... which is 14th all-time.

Maybe because it's "always been an issue with him", is because the team is always behind because they always have one of the worst defenses in the league (ranked in the bottom 3rd of the league in 7 of his 9 seasons... the other 2?  Ranked 20th).

Can you give me another bs excuse why Carr was the reason?

[Ray_T 753]

On 5/17/2024 at 7:08 AM, TBayXXXVII said:

2015 to 2022 (8 seasons), he ranked in the top 4 in come from behind wins 6 times.

I actually thought he was ranked #3.  though the last time I looked at this stat was about 2 or 3 years ago.  its possible an active QB passed him on this stat since.

but I remember when seeing this stat, my thought was there is more to this guy than stats.   To this day this is one of the reasons I defend him as a player.   This stat alone is a tough one to go against.   I'd rather have this stat than the gaudy huge yardage stats some QB's put up without getting wins.

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6 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

I actually thought he was ranked #3.  though the last time I looked at this stat was about 2 or 3 years ago.  its possible an active QB passed him on this stat since.

but I remember when seeing this stat, my thought was there is more to this guy than stats.   To this day this is one of the reasons I defend him as a player.   This stat alone is a tough one to go against.   I'd rather have this stat than the gaudy huge yardage stats some QB's put up without getting wins.

Which is why 5 days later... he has no response.

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Yeah, Avg ff Qb.  In ff stats is where it’s at.  

[Ray_T 753]

3 hours ago, weepaws said:

Yeah, Avg ff Qb.  In ff stats is where it’s at.  

this is another one of those ones where I'd say hes a better Actual QB than he is a Fantasy QB.

sure he had the one season where he had huge numbers, but in general, thats not who he is.    he wants the W more than he wants the Stats and his game will reflect that.

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25 minutes ago, Ray_T said:

this is another one of those ones where I'd say hes a better Actual QB than he is a Fantasy QB.

sure he had the one season where he had huge numbers, but in general, thats not who he is.    he wants the W more than he wants the Stats and his game will reflect that.

Mmm I think Carr is concern about the Win.  But not anymore then a Qb that does post big stats, and are ff worthy of starting. 

 

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On 5/22/2024 at 5:22 PM, Ray_T said:

this is another one of those ones where I'd say hes a better Actual QB than he is a Fantasy QB.

He sucks at both