Ray_T 740 Posted March 30 2 hours ago, jrokh said: Not really true. They have invested heavily in the Oline already. Last Off-season they signed Runyan JR to be starting LG, and Jermaine Elemunor to be starting RT. These weren't bargain signings they were 10+million players. Their Center is a 2nd rd pick. When their starting 5 were all healthy they performed at an above average level, at least according to PFF. Their depth was the biggest problem, which is why they signed 2 swing Tackles this offseason. RG is the one spot to potentially upgrade, but OL is not their biggest need. QB, and DT are far bigger needs. Their OL is far from great but is it is serviceable enough.... fair enough. the sample size of games I saw was small, and the line was not good in those games. I just assumed the line was still bad. Though in a cap world you still need to replace those 10 M players at some point. as signed free agents, Those guys are (I am guessing) a 2-3 year solution and because of their age, durability and good health wont be as good so depth is more important with guys like that starting. so drafting their eventual replacement should be a priority (just not an immediate one). but maybe you dont need to spend a first/second round pick. you can likely spend a 3rd or 4th rounder and develop them over a year or two while adding some depth to the mix. and yeah I can see the DT being a priority. The D was not that scary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DocNiner 67 Posted March 31 On 3/29/2025 at 7:47 PM, jrokh said: Not really true. They have invested heavily in the Oline already. Last Off-season they signed Runyan JR to be starting LG, and Jermaine Elemunor to be starting RT. These weren't bargain signings they were 10+million players. Their Center is a 2nd rd pick. When their starting 5 were all healthy they performed at an above average level, at least according to PFF. Their depth was the biggest problem, which is why they signed 2 swing Tackles this offseason. RG is the one spot to potentially upgrade, but OL is not their biggest need. QB, and DT are far bigger needs. Their OL is far from great but is it is serviceable enough.... I have to agree with you jrokh. At worst the O-line is average but a chance to be better during the 2025 season. They probably will address the O-line maybe round 3 or sometime in day 2. I still feel that they need a QB for the future but that probably won't happen this year. I just don't believe they're in love with Shadeur Sanders so even if he's there at 3 they should pass on him. Surely one of Jalen Carter or Travis Hunter will be there, preferably Hunter they should consider it. People probably think pick 3 is too high for Ashton Jeanty but if Hunter's gone they really should consider it. Plus they'd have an exceptional back on a rookie contract. I know, Iknow, the really kinda screwed Saquone Barkley but hopefully they've learned from that. Maybe they could move up into the back end of the first round and land Jaxson Dart but he should be gone within the first 20-24 picks. Maybe takea flyer on the QB Shough kid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,482 Posted March 31 5 hours ago, DocNiner said: I have to agree with you jrokh. At worst the O-line is average but a chance to be better during the 2025 season. They probably will address the O-line maybe round 3 or sometime in day 2. I still feel that they need a QB for the future but that probably won't happen this year. I just don't believe they're in love with Shadeur Sanders so even if he's there at 3 they should pass on him. Surely one of Jalen Carter or Travis Hunter will be there, preferably Hunter they should consider it. People probably think pick 3 is too high for Ashton Jeanty but if Hunter's gone they really should consider it. Plus they'd have an exceptional back on a rookie contract. I know, Iknow, the really kinda screwed Saquone Barkley but hopefully they've learned from that. Maybe they could move up into the back end of the first round and land Jaxson Dart but he should be gone within the first 20-24 picks. Maybe takea flyer on the QB Shough kid. https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=653435 PFF rated 3 (2 starters), of their OL's among the worst 15 on the team. Their best OL in this group was Schmitz, with a 61.4 rating and was 35th among league Centers last year. Eluemunor had a rating of 63.2 which was 65th among 141 Tackles rated. Van Roten had a rating of 63.4, which was 61st among guards rated. PFN ranked their OLine as 28th. Sharp Football Analysis, had them ranked 32nd. Need a password for PFF, but I heard on the Fantasy sports channel on Sirius/XM that they had the Giants at 23rd. They apparently still have a pretty bad OLine and/or, really hope their players improve. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 740 Posted April 2 On 3/31/2025 at 3:58 PM, TBayXXXVII said: https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=653435 PFF rated 3 (2 starters), of their OL's among the worst 15 on the team. Their best OL in this group was Schmitz, with a 61.4 rating and was 35th among league Centers last year. Eluemunor had a rating of 63.2 which was 65th among 141 Tackles rated. Van Roten had a rating of 63.4, which was 61st among guards rated. PFN ranked their OLine as 28th. Sharp Football Analysis, had them ranked 32nd. Need a password for PFF, but I heard on the Fantasy sports channel on Sirius/XM that they had the Giants at 23rd. They apparently still have a pretty bad OLine and/or, really hope their players improve. the issue I think they have had in the past, is they would bring in players from a different scheme (ie. patriots) that dont necessarily fit the Giants blocking scheme. so its possible that the issue could be scheme/fit related moreso than talent related. granted the player needs to take some of the responsibility, but so does the coaching staff. part of your job as a coach is putting your player in the best position to be successful. if the players dont fully fit the scheme, thats partly a gm problem but also the coach also needs to coach them up and/or tweak the scheme to take advantage of the individual player strengths while minimizing their weaknesses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TBayXXXVII 2,482 Posted April 3 23 hours ago, Ray_T said: the issue I think they have had in the past, is they would bring in players from a different scheme (ie. patriots) that dont necessarily fit the Giants blocking scheme. so its possible that the issue could be scheme/fit related moreso than talent related. granted the player needs to take some of the responsibility, but so does the coaching staff. part of your job as a coach is putting your player in the best position to be successful. if the players dont fully fit the scheme, thats partly a gm problem but also the coach also needs to coach them up and/or tweak the scheme to take advantage of the individual player strengths while minimizing their weaknesses. You could be right. Looking at their roster, of their OL's, only 4 players were drafted by the Giants... only 1 guy started all year. The other 3 had 16 starts among them.... one of which started 6 because he only played 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ray_T 740 Posted April 4 3 hours ago, TBayXXXVII said: You could be right. Looking at their roster, of their OL's, only 4 players were drafted by the Giants... only 1 guy started all year. The other 3 had 16 starts among them.... one of which started 6 because he only played 6. I cannot say for sure I'm 100% right but its still an educated guess with a couple cases that appear to fit the theory. you never truly know unless you are in the room. but I have found the best coaches will tweak or even change the system they run to take advantage of the skillsets of their players. the worst coaches will try to make a square peg fit into a round hole and make the player adapt to the system. sometimes the player can do it. Sometimes not. but typically in that scenario the GM NEEDS to draft players who fit the system to a T, otherwise you are churning through players at a pace thats not sustainable. This is largely the difference between college coaches and pro level coaches. in college, you can easily recruit players that fit your system far easier than it is to draft them at the pro level where other teams running a similar system may draft those players ahead of you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
