GDP grows as Trump's trade agenda revamps the economy 🏆

[Maximum Overkill 2,027]

It's amazing, I'm making more money than ever under The Great Donald J. Trump. 

This economy is on a tear right now!!! 

[RLLD 4,256]

On 8/1/2025 at 9:11 AM, thegeneral said:

Probably great news by @RLLD’s measure!

Job growth totaled 73,000 for the month, above the June total of 14,000 but below even the meager Dow Jones estimate for a gain of 100,000. June and May totals were revised sharply lower, down by a combined 258,000 from previously announced levels.

I will at least note that you remain consistent in believing these numbers when they first come out, like a good lemming you follow as you are told.

I will also remain intellectually consistent in asserting once again, do not trust the initial numbers on the jobs report, it always gets revised later....and often in the past it was revised downward.

So lets just wait, shall we? Well, YOU can ingest what the government says as gospel....at least when it serves your ideological bias....that is...

[RLLD 4,256]

On 7/31/2025 at 3:02 PM, Ron_Artest said:

I read your post, it was actually good.  You cited facts and then you stated your opinion based on those facts that what Trump is doing is focking awesome.  That is where you fell apart.  As the General pointed out, the economic data was better in 2024, the year that you said was the worst economy of your lifetime.  8 months later, worse numbers, and this economy is "focking awesome"

The jokes write themselves.

I think you missed the point though.

What does any of it matter to the average American.  This is important because this is the element you and yours missed last year....

[RLLD 4,256]

On 7/31/2025 at 2:57 PM, thegeneral said:

The economic numbers in the last quarter have returned to what they were last year - which was terrible I guess then and great now, It remains to be seen how solid a foundation this is. I’m happy you think we are on the right path. Good for you. Now go to your AI chatbot and surmise some more bullshit speculation or we can look at the measurable data we have.

You are having a tantrum, so now you can go fock yourself as you have told me to a couple times now.

 

It adds up that you cannot comprehend what it all means, you all couldn't do it last year either.  You are consistently ignorant, which is fine by me...as long as your ideological masters lie and people like you parrot it....the Democrats lose voters, and if we can sustain that, we can be protected from your ignorance. 

[Ron_Artest 1,601]

42 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think you missed the point though.

What does any of it matter to the average American.  This is important because this is the element you and yours missed last year....

Average Americans are struggling to find jobs and pay for their stuff.  Your president tells them we are booming.  Maybe the tables have turned.

[thegeneral 3,270]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

It adds up that you cannot comprehend what it all means, you all couldn't do it last year either.  You are consistently ignorant, which is fine by me...as long as your ideological masters lie and people like you parrot it....the Democrats lose voters, and if we can sustain that, we can be protected from your ignorance. 

”it’s focking awesome”

[thegeneral 3,270]

1 hour ago, RLLD said:

I will at least note that you remain consistent in believing these numbers when they first come out, like a good lemming you follow as you are told.

I will also remain intellectually consistent in asserting once again, do not trust the initial numbers on the jobs report, it always gets revised later....and often in the past it was revised downward.

So lets just wait, shall we? Well, YOU can ingest what the government says as gospel....at least when it serves your ideological bias....that is...

If they get revised down it will be even better news for the economy! 

[RLLD 4,256]

3 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

If they get revised down it will be even better news for the economy! 

Incorrect.  Revising the numbers down is a negative, not surprised you do not understand this. 

[RLLD 4,256]

5 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

”it’s focking awesome”

It is focking awesome, and that is all that matters. 

[thegeneral 3,270]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Incorrect.  Revising the numbers down is a negative, not surprised you do not understand this. 

That was sarcasm

Where did you get all the data that you used to determine things are “awesome” - the numbers which were by in large worse than last year?

[RLLD 4,256]

18 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Average Americans are struggling to find jobs and pay for their stuff.  Your president tells them we are booming.  Maybe the tables have turned.

If the average American is indeed feeling unhappy about the economy I hope that THIS president acknowledges and reacts to it.....does not pretend its not true or lie about it for months.....that I am hope and expectation, and we shall see what happens. 

[Ron_Artest 1,601]

3 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It is focking awesome, and that is all that matters. 

2024: worst economy of lifetime

2025: focking awesome economy 

This is why you can't be taken seriously.

[RLLD 4,256]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

That was sarcasm

Where did you get all the data that you used to determine things are “awesome” - the numbers which were by in large worse than last year?

Oh, you were once again not being a forthright participant in the conversation, I should have picked up on that,  my mistake.   The performance is focking awesome, and the future is far more positive than I have ever seen it.  So I am good for now, and hopefully they stay the course and do not fall victim to the immediacy of the world....leave those mistakes to liberals I say

[Ron_Artest 1,601]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

If the average American is indeed feeling unhappy about the economy I hope that THIS president acknowledges and reacts to it.....does not pretend its not true or lie about it for months.....that I am hope and expectation, and we shall see what happens. 

Michigan consumer sentiment is down 7% from this time last year.  Trump has said we have the hottest economy in the world, the country is booming.

So yes the average American is nervous and trump denies it.

[RLLD 4,256]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

2024: worst economy of lifetime

2025: focking awesome economy 

This is why you can't be taken seriously.

I am glad you still want to pretend the truth is not out there.  I see that democrats trotted out that chart which demonstrated why the assertion is true, they took it down after they realized they were self owning.

I really have no issue with you and people like you continuing the lie and pretending the economy was not the worst for many in their lifetime.  This gaslighting proved rather useful in the last election, and could be useful for the next one too.  So by all means, lie your arse off brother  

[thegeneral 3,270]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

Oh, you were once again not being a forthright participant in the conversation, I should have picked up on that,  my mistake.   The performance is focking awesome, and the future is far more positive than I have ever seen it.  So I am good for now, and hopefully they stay the course and do not fall victim to the immediacy of the world....leave those mistakes to liberals I say

I thought it was pretty clear. Higher unemployment is bad for the record

Where do you get these numbers that you highlighted to say the economy is “awesome”?

[RLLD 4,256]

6 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Michigan consumer sentiment is down 7% from this time last year.  Trump has said we have the hottest economy in the world, the country is booming.

So yes the average American is nervous and trump denies it.

It is a better economy than we had last year to be fair, but what is actually important is how the average american feels.   On this point I think we have found common ground, it was this common ground we did not share this time last year so I think this is a good thing.

Now, if Trump lies as his predecessor did, or otherwise ignores the experience of the average american, i am ready to call him out on it.....

[RLLD 4,256]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I thought it was pretty clear. Higher unemployment is bad for the record

Where do you get these numbers that you highlighted to say the economy is “awesome”?

It will depend on who you are talking to of course.  The Fed is dedicated to lowering employment, that is their "thing" so to speak.  Of the many things the fed fears in terms of inflation, employment is the biggest one.  So, while it will always be true that employment improves and declines, pretending recency is proof is just another silly thing Democrats will do when it serves them.

By way of example, lets say next month they report job gains.....it will be crickets from the likes of you.  Come find me what that happens, I will remain consistent in how I perceive and talk about those numbers....you will not....

[MDC 7,514]

Trump promised Day 1 lower prices. Seven months into the year and they’re higher. No wonder his approval rating is in the crapper.

 Only 38% of Americans approve of Trump’s handling of the economy.

Looks like voters aren’t feeling so great!

[Ron_Artest 1,601]

Trump is doing the same thing RLLD accused Biden of doing.  But he doesn't attack Trump like he did Biden.

[thegeneral 3,270]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It will depend on who you are talking to of course.  The Fed is dedicated to lowering employment, that is their "thing" so to speak.  Of the many things the fed fears in terms of inflation, employment is the biggest one.  So, while it will always be true that employment improves and declines, pretending recency is proof is just another silly thing Democrats will do when it serves them.

By way of example, lets say next month they report job gains.....it will be crickets from the likes of you.  Come find me what that happens, I will remain consistent in how I perceive and talk about those numbers....you will not....

Those numbers are good from the government, some are bad, I see. Convenient!

Comparing this data that highlights how things are “awesome” versus other periods is a normal measure.  It’s how you determine if things are improving or worsening. Unemployment going up is worse! Consumer demand going down is bad.  

Have you compared all these numbers to last years?

[RLLD 4,256]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Those numbers are good from the government some are bad, I see. Convenient!

Comparing this data that highlights how things are “awesome” versus other periods is a normal measure.  It’s how you determine if things are improving or worsening. Unemployment going up is worse! Consumer demand going down is bad.  

Have you compared all these numbers to last years?

The numbers should always be considered just the first foray into it.  As I have done consistently for years, I am always suspicious of the initial number.  When the numbers were bad for Biden I asserted they were probably wrong, when the numbers were good for Biden I asserted they were probably wrong.  Next month, if the numbers are good for Trump I will again.....assert.....they are probably wrong.

I understand that this kind of consistency of thought is anathema to someone such as yourself.  But I see value in it. 

Now, I really appreciate the sudden concern from liberals about the well being of the average american, I remain concerned as well, so if it should arise that we see some return of the horrible economic situations we observed under Biden....I am with you.

This also may seem odd to someone such as yourself.  You see it does not matter who is in charge, we should hold the same expectations, regardless.....I know...I know...you might see that as crazy....but give it a try, I think you will enjoy it

[thegeneral 3,270]

15 minutes ago, RLLD said:

The numbers should always be considered just the first foray into it.  As I have done consistently for years, I am always suspicious of the initial number.  When the numbers were bad for Biden I asserted they were probably wrong, when the numbers were good for Biden I asserted they were probably wrong.  Next month, if the numbers are good for Trump I will again.....assert.....they are probably wrong.

I understand that this kind of consistency of thought is anathema to someone such as yourself.  But I see value in it. 

Now, I really appreciate the sudden concern from liberals about the well being of the average american, I remain concerned as well, so if it should arise that we see some return of the horrible economic situations we observed under Biden....I am with you.

This also may seem odd to someone such as yourself.  You see it does not matter who is in charge, we should hold the same expectations, regardless.....I know...I know...you might see that as crazy....but give it a try, I think you will enjoy it

Good grief

You used numbers..from the government…that were decent in the most recent quarter. Those were inline with last year. Based on those numbers things for you are “awesome” now and were terrible last year.

[RLLD 4,256]

6 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Good grief

You used numbers..from the government…that were decent in the most recent quarter. Those were inline with last year. Based on those numbers things for you are “awesome” now and were terrible last year.

I did indeed and every time the job numbers have come out I have consistently noted they are wrong, I have not done so for other areas. Can you say the same? I mean, I am sure you must have evidence of your concern on the topic of jobs from last year you can provide, right?

[thegeneral 3,270]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I did indeed and every time the job numbers have come out I have consistently noted they are wrong, I have not done so for other areas. Can you say the same? I mean, I am sure you must have evidence of your concern on the topic of jobs from last year you can provide, right?

Yes. The jobs reports are revised afterwards. That’s the process.

You can look at overall unemployment from last year compared to this year as an idea to how that number is trending. It is relatively the same. 

[RLLD 4,256]

Just now, thegeneral said:

Yes. The jobs reports revised afterwards. That’s the process.

You can look at overall unemployment from last year compared to this year as an idea to how that number is trending. It is relatively the same. 

I agree it has been the norm.  I might add that I find the disparity in the original and final report to be disconcerting.  While I am not enthused with the removal of that person from her role in delivering these in part because I think the process by which they arrive at those numbers is rather flawed, I have to admit that she did produce numbers that needed extravagant correction.

I think your position on unemployment is on point, to me the overall performance is close enough to be "similar".  And while I am historically no fan of the Fed at all.....I have to concede that Powell has done a masterful job over his tenure, and his resistance to lowering the rates right now adds up, and part of that is the jobs factor. The economy is heating up, and I think the guy is making good decisions to hold the rates....JMHO

[thegeneral 3,270]

1 minute ago, RLLD said:

I agree it has been the norm.  I might add that I find the disparity in the original and final report to be disconcerting.  While I am not enthused with the removal of that person from her role in delivering these in part because I think the process by which they arrive at those numbers is rather flawed, I have to admit that she did produce numbers that needed extravagant correction.

I think your position on unemployment is on point, to me the overall performance is close enough to be "similar".  And while I am historically no fan of the Fed at all.....I have to concede that Powell has done a masterful job over his tenure, and his resistance to lowering the rates right now adds up, and part of that is the jobs factor. The economy is heating up, and I think the guy is making good decisions to hold the rates....JMHO

So for how people determine how the economy is doing, we agree jobs data is important.

Overall in that area the numbers are the same, slightly worse TBH but close enough to call it relatively a wash, as to what they were last year. 
 

[RLLD 4,256]

1 minute ago, thegeneral said:

So for how people determine how the economy is doing, we agree jobs data is important.

Overall in that area the numbers are the same, slightly worse TBH but close enough to call it relatively a wash, as to what they were last year. 
 

I see that we have common ground on this point.  Why it can be nuanced I dont think it needs to be for us to have a forthright discussion about it..

I think the influence of the Fed rate is the prominent factor at this time in terms of employment performance, but it wont be for much longer.  I think holding the rates where they are is useful for now, even if it might be muting performance, because the underlying growth in the economy suggests employment will improve.   Right now I think Powell is saving Trump a little

[thegeneral 3,270]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I see that we have common ground on this point.  Why it can be nuanced I dont think it needs to be for us to have a forthright discussion about it..

I think the influence of the Fed rate is the prominent factor at this time in terms of employment performance, but it wont be for much longer.  I think holding the rates where they are is useful for now, even if it might be muting performance, because the underlying growth in the economy suggests employment will improve.   Right now I think Powell is saving Trump a little

Jobs the same to slightly worse this year versus last year

Lets look at economic growth. GDP is a good measure of that. How was that last year versus this year?

 

[RLLD 4,256]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Jobs the same to slightly worse this year versus last year

Lets look at economic growth. GDP is a good measure of that. How was that last year versus this year?

 

I think people like to use GDP when it suits them, but as a measure of how good the economy is, I do not use it. It is far too easy to have that measure manipulated by things that are not good for the economy.

[thegeneral 3,270]

10 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think people like to use GDP when it suits them, but as a measure of how good the economy is, I do not use it. It is far too easy to have that measure manipulated by things that are not good for the economy.

Well ok. Most people use it as a broad and general measurement to avoid seeming to focused on more narrow measurements but whatever.

It was decent last year, this year mixed. We are half way so incomplete. At best a push, last year probably better.

Consumer spending then? Business investment? 

[Ron_Artest 1,601]

12 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think people like to use GDP when it suits them, but as a measure of how good the economy is, I do not use it. It is far too easy to have that measure manipulated by things that are not good for the economy.

What is a better metric?

[RLLD 4,256]

30 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Well ok. Most people use it as a broad and general measurement to avoid seeming to focused on more narrow measurements but whatever.

It was decent last year, this year mixed. We are half way so incomplete. At best a push, last year probably better.

Consumer spending then? Business investment? 

It was decent last year, I recall acknowledging that fact at the time. I sorta held back though, and did not mention that government spending was propping it up, that is but one way we can be deceived  by GDP.  But I see the value in the measure and I think it should be assessed, I am just more suspicious of it than perhaps others.  I think it has a Keynsian tilt, JMHO

[thegeneral 3,270]

20 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It was decent last year, I recall acknowledging that fact at the time. I sorta held back though, and did not mention that government spending was propping it up, that is but one way we can be deceived  by GDP.  But I see the value in the measure and I think it should be assessed, I am just more suspicious of it than perhaps others.  I think it has a Keynsian tilt, JMHO

Government spending is at play and that was cut back.

With that growth was better last year, consumer spending better, business investment was good last year, uneven this year (great to start with tariff oddness but then flattened after that). At best again we have a push. Last year was decent, this year is decent.

[RLLD 4,256]

33 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

Government spending is at play and that was cut back.

With that growth was better last year, consumer spending better, business investment was good last year, uneven this year (great to start with tariff oddness but then flattened after that). At best again we have a push. Last year was decent, this year is decent.

I think your position is salient.   If I may, lets consider something Smerconish has said that I think could have merit.....I do not tend to agree with him on much, but he makes a point worthy of consideration....

 

 

 

[thegeneral 3,270]

11 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I think your position is salient.   If I may, lets consider something Smerconish has said that I think could have merit.....I do not tend to agree with him on much, but he makes a point worthy of consideration....

 

 

 

I’m not going to watch this. Can you summarize?

[RLLD 4,256]

2 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

I’m not going to watch this. Can you summarize?

It is perfectly fine to oppose Trump.  But when you oppose him on things that are clearly going well, with what people might see as manufactured concern or outrage, you lose credibility.   If you instead concede on things he has done well, your criticisms have more teeth.

[thegeneral 3,270]

2 minutes ago, RLLD said:

It is perfectly fine to oppose Trump.  But when you oppose him on things that are clearly going well, with what people might see as manufactured concern or outrage, you lose credibility.   If you instead concede on things he has done well, your criticisms have more teeth.

That’s fine. Doesn’t have much to do with that the economy is doing ok now, as it was last year. Last year was probably a bit stronger.

[Ron_Artest 1,601]

Almost 90% Of Americans Are Worried About The Cost Of Groceries.

Trump: Good day in the Stock Market (Dow + 585.06, 1.34%, S&P 500 + 91.93, 1.47%, NASDAQ + 403.45, 1.95%), but there will be many more days like this. America is very rich again, and stronger than ever before. Thank you for your attention to this matter!

In just 6 months, I cut costs, especially Energy and Taxes, Tremendously. Elizabeth “Pocahontas” Warren, on CNBC, said costs have gone up. She is just angry that I blew up her terrible Presidential Campaign. Call her out!!!

[Ron_Artest 1,601]

Americans are struggling financially, grappling with debt and the rising cost of living, and are blaming the Trump administration and corporate interests for worsening economic outlooks for working families, according to a new poll.

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