GDP grows as Trump's trade agenda revamps the economy 🏆

[thegeneral 3,578]

32 minutes ago, RLLD said:

Explain? To you? After this little display in this thread? I think not......you had a chance, now you can go fock yourself.

You never explained anything. You cut and paste numbers, which are inline with last year or worse in some cases, and said it was “focking awesome”. I asked why that is good now and bad then.

Before all that you were going on about how liberals were terrible.

[Tree of Knowledge 2,111]

2 hours ago, thegeneral said:

Unlike those maga focks that tore up the Capitol and think that duh liberals are ruining the country. 

That wasn’t MAGA.  It was a fed operation.  EVERYONE knows that.  

[thegeneral 3,578]

4 minutes ago, Tree of Knowledge said:

That wasn’t MAGA.  It was a fed operation.  EVERYONE knows that.  

of course

[Ron_Artest 2,183]

17 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

You never explained anything. You cut and paste numbers, which are inline with last year or worse in some cases, and said it was “focking awesome”. I asked why that is good now and bad then.

Before all that you were going on about how liberals were terrible.

He's not a serious person.  I actually thought maybe he was a bot but I've run his posts through an AI generator and it is human, just a human with severe issues.

[thegeneral 3,578]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

He's not a serious person.  I actually thought maybe he was a bot but I've run his posts through an AI generator and it is human, just a human with severe issues.

I don’t know about all that but I do think there is some AI summaries going on for sure

[RLLD 4,275]

1 hour ago, thegeneral said:

You never explained anything. You cut and paste numbers, which are inline with last year or worse in some cases, and said it was “focking awesome”. I asked why that is good now and bad then.

Before all that you were going on about how liberals were terrible.

I explained it clearly, for anyone reading this now, please refer to this post to see how this piece of sh!t liar is behaving more clearly.

Now, all I did was ask for the same, but you cant do it, because you dont understand it.  You only regurgitate headlines.  It is "focking awesome" now because its a solidly founded approach to the economy.

Liberals are terrible, such as yourself, they lie and pretend to care or know...but they actually only harm.  now you can go fock yourself.

[thegeneral 3,578]

17 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I explained it clearly, for anyone reading this now, please refer to this post to see how this piece of sh!t liar is behaving more clearly.

Now, all I did was ask for the same, but you cant do it, because you dont understand it.  You only regurgitate headlines.  It is "focking awesome" now because its a solidly founded approach to the economy.

Liberals are terrible, such as yourself, they lie and pretend to care or know...but they actually only harm.  now you can go fock yourself.

The economic numbers in the last quarter have returned to what they were last year - which was terrible I guess then and great now, It remains to be seen how solid a foundation this is. I’m happy you think we are on the right path. Good for you. Now go to your AI chatbot and surmise some more bullshit speculation or we can look at the measurable data we have.

You are having a tantrum, so now you can go fock yourself as you have told me to a couple times now.

 

[Ron_Artest 2,183]

21 minutes ago, RLLD said:

I explained it clearly, for anyone reading this now, please refer to this post to see how this piece of sh!t liar is behaving more clearly.

Now, all I did was ask for the same, but you cant do it, because you dont understand it.  You only regurgitate headlines.  It is "focking awesome" now because its a solidly founded approach to the economy.

Liberals are terrible, such as yourself, they lie and pretend to care or know...but they actually only harm.  now you can go fock yourself.

I read your post, it was actually good.  You cited facts and then you stated your opinion based on those facts that what Trump is doing is focking awesome.  That is where you fell apart.  As the General pointed out, the economic data was better in 2024, the year that you said was the worst economy of your lifetime.  8 months later, worse numbers, and this economy is "focking awesome"

The jokes write themselves.

[thegeneral 3,578]

Probably great news by @RLLD’s measure!

Job growth totaled 73,000 for the month, above the June total of 14,000 but below even the meager Dow Jones estimate for a gain of 100,000. June and May totals were revised sharply lower, down by a combined 258,000 from previously announced levels.

[Grace Under Pressure 161]

Terrible job numbers released today. GDP contracted in quarter 1 2025, artificially up in Q2 due to tariff timings. Inflation still at 2.7%. International and domestic tourism down double digits. Stock market tanking today on all this news.

Trump inherited a good economy from 2024. The fact is that 2025 numbers show a weakened economy. Weakened by a dope who should have just done nothing. Great job MAGA. Sabotaging America so Trump and his Mar-a-Lago friends could grift more. Rubes.

[thegeneral 3,578]

18 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Terrible job numbers released today. GDP contracted in quarter 1 2025, artificially up in Q2 due to tariff timings. Inflation still at 2.7%. International and domestic tourism down double digits. Stock market tanking today on all this news.

Trump inherited a good economy from 2024. The fact is that 2025 numbers show a weakened economy. Weakened by a dope who should have just done nothing. Great job MAGA. Sabotaging America so Trump and his Mar-a-Lago friends could grift more. Rubes.

Despite all this data the numbers all indicate that this economy is amazing and it was terrible last year!

[Maximum Overkill 2,424]

3 hours ago, thegeneral said:

this economy is amazing 

Indeed Amen Thank you!  

[thegeneral 3,578]

6 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

Indeed Amen Thank you!  

It’s very mid!

[Sean Mooney 2,048]

22 hours ago, Ron_Artest said:

I read your post, it was actually good.  You cited facts and then you stated your opinion based on those facts that what Trump is doing is focking awesome.  That is where you fell apart.  As the General pointed out, the economic data was better in 2024, the year that you said was the worst economy of your lifetime.  8 months later, worse numbers, and this economy is "focking awesome"

The jokes write themselves.

RLLD is an unserious poster.

[Hardcore troubadour 15,911]

Wait, liberals care about jobs numbers being revised down now? Well that’s something different! 

[thegeneral 3,578]

2 minutes ago, Hardcore troubadour said:

Wait, liberals care about jobs numbers being revised down now? Well that’s something different! 

Classic Hardcore Whineador deflection

[Maximum Overkill 2,424]

21 minutes ago, thegeneral said:

It’s very mid!

I don't think Men use the term "mid". Are you Trans?  

[thegeneral 3,578]

5 minutes ago, Maximum Overkill said:

I don't think Men use the term "mid". Are you Trans?  

You are the official trans expert! Be sure to use a VPN while doing your research!!

[Grace Under Pressure 161]

GDP, unemployment rate, inflation, stock market performance, and mortgage interest rates. If there's another indicator of the economy, state it here. Maybe tourism? 

None of these measures are better in 2025 vs. 2024. They're all the same or worse. Mostly worse.

Over Trump's first term and so far this first year of his final term, he's likely the worst president on those measures since Jimmy Carter. Meanwhile the Mar-a-Lago crowd, who is privy to his schedule of ridiculous "tariffs on" and "tariffs off" announcements and other arbitrage opportunities, they leverage that information to enrich themselves more. Not the rally goers. He does not give a damn about those key indicators, or the broad economy of the country. He would easily just tell people to make up a number, or worse. He only cares about what's good for him.

[Horseman 2,684]

25 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

GDP, unemployment rate, inflation, stock market performance, and mortgage interest rates. If there's another indicator of the economy, state it here. Maybe tourism? 

None of these measures are better in 2025 vs. 2024. They're all the same or worse. Mostly worse.

Over Trump's first term and so far this first year of his final term, he's likely the worst president on those measures since Jimmy Carter. Meanwhile the Mar-a-Lago crowd, who is privy to his schedule of ridiculous "tariffs on" and "tariffs off" announcements and other arbitrage opportunities, they leverage that information to enrich themselves more. Not the rally goers. He does not give a damn about those key indicators, or the broad economy of the country. He would easily just tell people to make up a number, or worse. He only cares about what's good for him.

Trump 1st term S&P went up 70%

Under Biden 56%  

You should probably just sit this one out.  

[Ron_Artest 2,183]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

Trump 1st term S&P went up 70%

Under Biden 56%  

You should probably just sit this one out.  

We know you can't read a chart and you're a little off.

Jan 1 2017 to Jan 1 2021: 67%

Jan 1 2021 to Jan 2025: 66%

Also you can't refute anything GUP said can you?

[Grace Under Pressure 161]

Also the flat growth for this year means over 5 years that percentage is even lower, but I don't want to argue math. That return isn't anything to sneeze at honestly. 

Thought it was here, but maybe it's another thread. It's true about high interest rates being good for the rich. Take a few million, ladder up on CD's. Good return, basically zero risk? Manage that and hit the boat with a cocktail and a steak. It's good, no judgement. 

But I actually agree with Trump on Powell lowering rates. Mortgages are important for middle class, don't forget them. Housing market is fubar'd for young families trying to get even a decent house. But there's pent up demand to sell, if/when people see rates drop under 5% supply is going to increase quickly. A lot of folks haven't moved if they're at a 3% mortgage, which many are, even if they want to move. Those flashy CD rates may come down a little, but that high net worth household will be fine. Stay put, or shift into some other assets with slightly higher risk, ooh the horror. Other developed countries have been cutting rates, it's time for Powell to start.

[Horseman 2,684]

34 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

We know you can't read a chart and you're a little off.

Jan 1 2017 to Jan 1 2021: 67%

Jan 1 2021 to Jan 2025: 66%

Also you can't refute anything GUP said can you?

You're going to need to show your math Tiny.  Oh who are we kidding.

Let me do it for you:

A - 1/20/17 Open 2269.96

B - 1/19/21 Close 3798.91

C - 1/20/21 Open 3816.22

D - 1/17/25 Close 5996.66

(B - A)/A x 100 = 67.4%

(D - C)/C x 100 = 57.1%

 

[Ron_Artest 2,183]

6 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Also the flat growth for this year means over 5 years that percentage is even lower, but I don't want to argue math. That return isn't anything to sneeze at honestly. 

Thought it was here, but maybe it's another thread. It's true about high interest rates being good for the rich. Take a few million, ladder up on CD's. Good return, basically zero risk? Manage that and hit the boat with a cocktail and a steak. It's good, no judgement. 

But I actually agree with Trump on Powell lowering rates. Mortgages are important for middle class, don't forget them. Housing market is fubar'd for young families trying to get even a decent house. But there's pent up demand to sell, if/when people see rates drop under 5% supply is going to increase quickly. A lot of folks haven't moved if they're at a 3% mortgage, which many are, even if they want to move. Those flashy CD rates may come down a little, but that high net worth household will be fine. Stay put, or shift into some other assets with slightly higher risk, ooh the horror. Other developed countries have been cutting rates, it's time for Powell to start.

3% mortgages are very low.  The average mortgage rate from 1980 to 2008 was 9.1%.  People are spoiled thinking 3% mortgages are a thing.  The fed's primary goal is to control inflation, not make housing affordable.  If the lowered rates now that will likely lead to more inflation.

Also rich people don't invest in CDs.  It's not a good return, and the risk is inflation.  If you get a CD at 4% and inflation pops to 7%, you're losing 3%.

[Horseman 2,684]

10 minutes ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

Thought it was here, but maybe it's another thread. It's true about high interest rates being good for the rich. Take a few million, ladder up on CD's. Good return, basically zero risk? Manage that and hit the boat with a cocktail and a steak. It's good, no judgement. 

[Horseman 2,684]

3 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

3% mortgages are very low.  The average mortgage rate from 1980 to 2008 was 9.1%.  People are spoiled thinking 3% mortgages are a thing.  The fed's primary goal is to control inflation, not make housing affordable.  If the lowered rates now that will likely lead to more inflation.

Also rich people don't invest in CDs.  It's not a good return, and the risk is inflation.  If you get a CD at 4% and inflation pops to 7%, you're losing 3%.

"ladder up"

JFC

[Ron_Artest 2,183]

3 minutes ago, Horseman said:

You're going to need to show your math Tiny.  Oh who are we kidding.

Let me do it for you:

A - 1/20/17 Open 2269.96

B - 1/19/21 Close 3798.91

C - 1/20/21 Open 3816.22

D - 1/17/25 Close 5996.66

(B - A)/A x 100 = 67.4%

(D - C)/C x 100 = 57,1%

 

I did Jan 1 to Jan 1 to make it easy.  I guess there was enough variance in the Jan weeks to influence, fair enough, although it is an arbitrary number.

[Horseman 2,684]

2 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

I did Jan 1 to Jan 1 to make it easy.  I guess there was enough variance in the Jan weeks to influence, fair enough, although it is an arbitrary number.

GutterBoy doesn't invest in CDs because he thinks Bonds don't have risk due to inflation. 

[Ron_Artest 2,183]

2 minutes ago, Horseman said:

GutterBoy doesn't invest in CDs because he thinks Bonds don't have risk due to inflation. 

Short duration bond funds do the laddering for you in higher frequency and offer greater returns.  If you're really concerned about inflation you can diversify with TIPS.

[Horseman 2,684]

4 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Short duration bond funds do the laddering for you in higher frequency and offer greater returns.  If you're really concerned about inflation you can diversify with TIPS.

ChatGPT?

Havent you been following along?  I want high inflation and high interst rates. 

And your "arbitrary number".   I'm not the one that brought it up to say Biden was the same or better. I disproved that claim.  

 

 

[Ron_Artest 2,183]

1 minute ago, Horseman said:

Havent you been following along?  I want high inflation and high interst rates. 

And like I said, that is stupid.

[Horseman 2,684]

Just now, Ron_Artest said:

And like I said, that is stupid.

That's reinforcing because you've shown how smart you are the last 4-5 posts.  

 

[Horseman 2,684]

8 minutes ago, Horseman said:

ChatGPT?

Nailed it. 

GutterBoy passes it off as his own. 

[Ron_Artest 2,183]

4 minutes ago, Horseman said:

Nailed it. 

GutterBoy passes it off as his own. 

Nailed it?  You think I cut and pasted that from ChatGPT?  Bro I've been investing in short duration bond funds for years.

[Horseman 2,684]

5 minutes ago, Ron_Artest said:

Nailed it?  You think I cut and pasted that from ChatGPT?  Bro I've been investing in short duration bond funds for years.

Sure thing.  . Good for you!

 

[Ron_Artest 2,183]

Just now, Horseman said:

Sure thing.  . Good for you!

 

It's not options trading.  This is basic stuff bro.

[Horseman 2,684]

1 minute ago, Ron_Artest said:

It's not options trading.  This is basic stuff bro.

. Whatever you say Tiny. 

[Horseman 2,684]

Tiny thinks options trading is advanced. 

[Grace Under Pressure 161]

2 hours ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

He would easily just tell people to make up a number, or worse. He only cares about what's good for him.

So of course, and so predictably I’d add, the petulant baby bich is now threatening to fire the BLS director because he didn’t like the number.

Wanna be dictator that cult members elected, this is the outcome. Pathetic. 

[seafoam1 3,409]

1 minute ago, Grace Under Pressure said:

So of course, and so predictably I’d add, the petulant baby bich is now threatening to fire the BLS director because he didn’t like the number.

Wanna be dictator that cult members elected, this is the outcome. Pathetic. 

Another broke liberal crying. 

This is a theme around here. 

Poor rusty.....Literally poor....