****OFFICIAL college football betting THREAD****

[brzrboy 0]

I had to start this thread since the Thursday game is looking so attractive. For those of you who were on Maryland last week, I would think you would have a much better chance with Boston College covering the spread (13.5) at Virginia Tech this week.

 

Two very strong defenses match up in this game.

Boston College giving up only 14pts and 79 rushing yards a game.

VTech giving up only 9pts and 102 rushing yards per game.

BC has lost only one game this year (17-28) to Florida St., but outgained FSU in that game 380 to 256, giving up only 13 rushing yards to the seminoles.

 

In road games over the last 3 years, BC is 10-4 ATS.

Since 1992, BC is 5-0 ATS at Virginia Tech.

 

In BC's last 4 games they have given up 11 turnovers, gotten only 2. For the season VT is a +9 in turnovers. I like the chances for that to even out in this game. My gut feeling is that this is just too many points to give up to a solid Boston College team.

 

Take BC +13.5

[brzrboy 0]

I would think Missouri -6 @ KU would be a good game for a teaser. KU has lost 4 straight big 12 games and even though they haven't given up that many points and they have a great rushing defense (72 yards a game), their offense is pathetic. They are scoring 19 pts a game, but only averaging 9 in their last 4 (all Big 12 games). Missouri's Brad Smith is coming off a career performance and even if he has a let down against KU, Missouri should win easily. If you are getting 13pts in the teaser, there is very little chance of KU winning this game by a TD.

 

edit: I see Missouri was favored 2 years ago by 9.5 @ KU and lost by 19 and then last year Missouri was favored by 11 @ Missouri and lost by 17. Must be a rivalry game where anything can happen. I still think Missouri will win but wanted to pass along the info...

 

cdp

[GobbleDog 989]

Oops, I deleted the wrong post. My earlier pick was Tennessee -14 over South Carolina.

[GobbleDog 989]

Who is KU? Kansas?

[brzrboy 0]

yep, KU is the Kansas Jayhawks.

UK is the Kentucky Wildcats.

Can't think of any other KU's.....

[GravesVT 0]

If you really think BC can walk into Blacksburg, VA on a thursday night during a rain game and come out with a win you are CRAZY. It may not be a blowout, but Lane Stadium will be rocking so hard the Eagles will have no idea what him them. If you've ever been to a VT game then you will know what I'm talking about. Lane Stadium is one of the greatest home arenas in college football. Tech simply does not lose at home with the team they have this year. VT wins 28-10

[fugoondo 3]

I personally dont see any lines that excite me this week. I think Im keeping my money in my pocket this week.

[Finatic 0]

I personally dont see any lines that excite me this week. I think Im keeping my money in my pocket this week.

Plenty of coin to be had this weekend

[phillybear 366]

Overall College YTD: 155-130-5; +30.9 units

Subset: 2 unit or higher: 56-43; +18.85 units.

 

Thursday

 

Boston College (+14)@-115 for 2 units. LOSER

 

Currently, Virg Tech is seeing 60% of the action. The line has dropped from 14 to 13. I am waiting to see if the line bounces back to 13.5, and I will buy it up to +14. But, I will settle for any line at +10 or better.

 

Here are some numbers to chew on:

Virginia Tech is 6-1 SU in last 7 vs BC

Boston College is 5-1-1 ATS in last 7 vs VTech

Boston College is 13-3 SU in last 16 road games

Boston College is 6-0 ATS in last 6 road games.

The series is dominated by Virginia Tech winning, yet BC finds a way to cover in those games. And this is relevant, since, really, how much have both teams chanced over the last few years? BC is still a smashmouth, physical team, that features a solid defense and a solid running game. VTech wants to run the ball, has an athletic QB, and has a great defense and special teams. The same formula for both teams for years. Yet BC finds a way to cover in these games. These teams last met 2 years ago, when BC was a 15 point dog went into V Tech (sound familiar?) and BC won 34-27 SU.

 

Public perception on BC (6-1) is based on their last game vs Wake Forest and the national TV game vs Florida St. The Wake scoring is deceiving since BC lost the turnover battle 5-0. But they rallied against that huge disadvantage, in a flat spot game, to pull out the win. BC lost to Florida St despite dominating the yardage, losing the game late due to a blocked punt, and gave up a defensive TD. Also, their QB got hurt early in that game. So BC looks underrated, and has had 2 weeks to prepare for this game, and look to be healthy at the QB position for the first time since the Flor St game. And they are a good team, featuring a ranking of #4 in the nation against the run. Public perception on VTech, (7-0) is #3 in the BCS and the win over Maryland last week. And it was a solid win. VTech did lose the TO battle 4-2, but whenever Maryland got into VTech territory, their defense kept coming up big, and keeping Maryland off the scoreboard. But to be fair, Maryland missed a number of makeable FGs in that game, and turned it over in VTEch territory as well. And don't forget, this is about the time of year when VTech usually stumbles a bit, and finds a way to lose. Marcus Vick looked good last week when he was scrambling, but he did manage to throw INTs on 3 straight possesions, so while he is an effective running QB, he is not polished as pure thrower.

 

V Tech rushes for 193 ypg, passes for 191. BC rushes for 159 ypg, passes for 264. So BC averages 50 yards per game more than VTech, while V Tech allows 37 yards per game less than BC. V Tech rushes for 4.2 ypr but allows 3.1 ypr. BC rushes for 4.1 ypr, but allows only 2.5 ypr. So BC looks to have the advantage in the rushing game, defensively. And BC has allowed 554 yards rushing this year vs VTech allowing 711. I really don't see why VTech is favored by so much other than reputation this season.

 

These are two evenly matched teams. BC is a road warrior club. BC will keep this game to 7pts or less. But I still want to see if I can maximize the line value over the next day or two. If the line drops more, then it's officially a fishy line. REALLY fishy. I am grabbing the points.

 

Good luck to all.

[American Chewy 98]

I think the real value starts with the colorado st-new mexico (-6) game on friday. i think csu wins this straight up but i'll definitely take the points.

no real feel for the vtech game, maybe a slight lean to vtech but i'll probably pass.

[LavarIsAnAnimal 0]

I went with this teaser, you guys approve?

 

Va Tech -.5

Purdue +28

Washington State +42

Northwestern +16

[mikeso 0]

Overall College YTD: 155-130-5; +30.9 units

Subset: 2 unit or higher: 56-43; +18.85 units.

 

Thursday

 

Boston College (+?) for 2 units.

 

Currently, Virg Tech is seeing 60% of the action. The line has dropped from 14 to 13. I am waiting to see if the line bounces back to 13.5, and I will buy it up to +14. But, I will settle for any line at +10 or better.

 

Here are some numbers to chew on:

Virginia Tech is 6-1 SU in last 7 vs BC

Boston College is 5-1-1 ATS in last 7 vs VTech

Boston College is 13-3 SU in last 16 road games

Boston College is 6-0 ATS in last 6 road games.

The series is dominated by Virginia Tech winning, yet BC finds a way to cover in those games. And this is relevant, since, really, how much have both teams chanced over the last few years? BC is still a smashmouth, physical team, that features a solid defense and a solid running game. VTech wants to run the ball, has an athletic QB, and has a great defense and special teams. The same formula for both teams for years. Yet BC finds a way to cover in these games. These teams last met 2 years ago, when BC was a 15 point dog went into V Tech (sound familiar?) and BC won 34-27 SU.

 

Public perception on BC (6-1) is based on their last game vs Wake Forest and the national TV game vs Florida St. The Wake scoring is deceiving since BC lost the turnover battle 5-0. But they rallied against that huge disadvantage, in a flat spot game, to pull out the win. BC lost to Florida St despite dominating the yardage, losing the game late due to a blocked punt, and gave up a defensive TD. Also, their QB got hurt early in that game. So BC looks underrated, and has had 2 weeks to prepare for this game, and look to be healthy at the QB position for the first time since the Flor St game. And they are a good team, featuring a ranking of #4 in the nation against the run. Public perception on VTech, (7-0) is #3 in the BCS and the win over Maryland last week. And it was a solid win. VTech did lose the TO battle 4-2, but whenever Maryland got into VTech territory, their defense kept coming up big, and keeping Maryland off the scoreboard. But to be fair, Maryland missed a number of makeable FGs in that game, and turned it over in VTEch territory as well. And don't forget, this is about the time of year when VTech usually stumbles a bit, and finds a way to lose. Marcus Vick looked good last week when he was scrambling, but he did manage to throw INTs on 3 straight possesions, so while he is an effective running QB, he is not polished as pure thrower.

 

V Tech rushes for 193 ypg, passes for 191. BC rushes for 159 ypg, passes for 264. So BC averages 50 yards per game more than VTech, while V Tech allows 37 yards per game less than BC. V Tech rushes for 4.2 ypr but allows 3.1 ypr. BC rushes for 4.1 ypr, but allows only 2.5 ypr. So BC looks to have the advantage in the rushing game, defensively. And BC has allowed 554 yards rushing this year vs VTech allowing 711. I really don't see why VTech is favored by so much other than reputation this season.

 

These are two evenly matched teams. BC is a road warrior club. BC will keep this game to 7pts or less. But I still want to see if I can maximize the line value over the next day or two. If the line drops more, then it's officially a fishy line. REALLY fishy. I am grabbing the points, whatever they may be.

 

Good luck to all.

i totally agree...... 13.5 is way to much to give to a solid BC team....im taking the pts right now at +13.5 and sticking with it.....Vtech will win but not by 2 TDs...IMO

[American Chewy 98]

I went with this teaser, you guys approve?

 

Va Tech -.5

Purdue +28

Washington State +42

Northwestern +16

never dabbled in teasers myself but this one looks pretty solid.

I was thinking of betting wash st (+30) anyway so i like that. hard to see vtech losing at home, so thats pretty safe. i also like northwestern to win straight up, although i wont bet that one with the regular line. only possible risk is penn st, i think they'll cover the normal line (-14.5) but 28 should be safe enough.

Good luck.

[Guest cklennon]

Hello there everybody, I was on vacation this past weekend and didn't bet a ton for the first time in a while. It was a nice break, but now back to the grind

 

I hope you all heeded my words about the Texas/TTech game last week as that was my 1 and only bet this past weekend and it was an easy winner. Texas is the best team in the nation. National Champions by the end of the year barring serious injury; you heard it here first

 

Anyway, onto this week's games:

 

Thursday:

Virginia Tech @ Boston College +14

 

That's all I got right now, I'll be posting games for Friday and the weekend later. Good luck to all!

[honhiguy 0]

Bah. I'm going VTech. BC has burned me twice this year already. Screw em.

[DOUBLEDOWN77 0]

Philly and all,

 

Great write ups as usual. I would only add that I remember BC's kicking game is atrocious. Last time I bet on them (2-3 weeks ago?) I remember their kicker missed at least 3 FGs. Fortunately they still covered. Their kicker is about 50% (6/11) on the year. Even with this I like BC also. Just fyi.

[GBFAVRE4 0]

bump---BC!

[ratsforlunch 0]

Haven't decided if I'm gonna play tonight after 2 winning nights on the WS, but lean to BC if I do.

 

Anyone else on Northwestern as a 3 pt home dog to Michigan?!? I'm thinkin Mich is probably reasonably spent after the upset at Iowa and Hart is still dinged up. This could be a big play for me.

[phillybear 366]

Haven't decided if I'm gonna play tonight after 2 winning nights on the WS, but lean to BC if I do.

 

Anyone else on Northwestern as a 3 pt home dog to Michigan?!? I'm thinkin Mich is probably reasonably spent after the upset at Iowa and Hart is still dinged up. This could be a big play for me.

I finally got into the research last night. I don't think I could play Michigan here. The emotional last 5 games would be a key here. Northwestern's offense is playing as well as any in the country. And they are typically very tough at home, and Michigan has trouble covering on the conference road, especially as a favorite. But NW has reeled off 3 upsets as a dog in a row, and have a terrible defense. It's too bad that NW is no longer a secret, and the line value has disappeared. Tough game, but I am still digging.

[PackYourNut 47]

Haven't decided if I'm gonna play tonight after 2 winning nights on the WS, but lean to BC if I do.

 

Anyone else on Northwestern as a 3 pt home dog to Michigan?!?  I'm thinkin Mich is probably reasonably spent after the upset at Iowa and Hart is still dinged up.  This could be a big play for me.

I finally got into the research last night. I don't think I could play Michigan here. The emotional last 5 games would be a key here. Northwestern's offense is playing as well as any in the country. And they are typically very tough at home, and Michigan has trouble covering on the conference road, especially as a favorite. But NW has reeled off 3 upsets as a dog in a row, and have a terrible defense. It's too bad that NW is no longer a secret, and the line value has disappeared. Tough game, but I am still digging.

NW will win this game straight up.

[phillybear 366]

I would think Missouri -6 @ KU would be a good game for a teaser.  KU has lost 4 straight big 12 games and even though they haven't given up that many points and they have a great rushing defense (72 yards a game), their offense is pathetic.  They are scoring 19 pts a game, but only averaging 9 in their last 4 (all Big 12 games).  Missouri's Brad Smith is coming off a career performance and even if he has a let down against KU, Missouri should win easily.  If you are getting  13pts in the teaser, there is very little chance of KU winning this game by a TD.

 

edit:  I see Missouri was favored 2 years ago by 9.5 @ KU and lost by 19 and then last year Missouri was favored by 11 @ Missouri and lost by 17.  Must be a rivalry game where anything can happen.  I still think Missouri will win but wanted to pass along the info...

 

cdp

I am leaning to Kansas. They got their best QB back from injury, and he played OK last week. And that is what has been killing Kansas all along, lack of production from the QB position. They actually played Colorado and Oklahoma tough the last 2 weeks statistically, but turnovers and special teams mistakes have killed them. Missouri in a let down spot off a huge win over Nebraska, a team they rarely beat. Missouri has a terrible defense, and the Mizz QB Brad Smith has not been historically consistent enough to string two great performances in a row.

 

Edit: also, this is the first true home game for Kansas in about 5 weeks.

[phillybear 366]

Oops, I deleted the wrong post. My earlier pick was Tennessee -14 over South Carolina.

Just a heads up: Tenn is usually a terrible bet as a home favorite ATS. And I could be wrong, but I think Tenn lost top RB Riggs to a season ending injury.

[ratsforlunch 0]

Tenn lost top RB Riggs to a season ending injury

 

Riggs is indeed done for the year.

 

 

Re: NW-Mich, thanks for the input fellas. That line jumped out at me originally as a potential big play, and I'm liking it even more with a few more thoughts from other folks. I agree that NW should win this game SU.

[VoDZKABoY 0]

BC looks like a solid play tonight based on the excellent writeup. I have decided to do a teaser with BC (+19.5) and the Over (39). Any thoughts on the over/under? I took a chance with the over.

 

As for other games mentioned, I really like Northwestern as well at home. Unbelievably, they have a shot at winning the Big 10 so they have a lot of incentive to beat Michigan.

 

I plan to add these teams to my teaser list and will play various combinations (6 -14 pts)

 

Wisconsin -20.5 (Illinois is god awful.)

UTEP -20.5 (They have been flying under the radar and have consisently been beating the spread. Rice is god awful as well.)

Florida -4 (Georgia will have a new QB and this is not the game or team to break in another guy. Plus, Georgia is looking to already clinch their division with a win over the Gators. Florida has a lot of incentive to win this game, plus they are coming off a bye week.)

TCU -6.5 (See UTEP, they just keep beating the crap out of teams. This is a team I have been riding all season so I will continue to stay the course.)

Rutgers -6 (They are a solid home team, plus they are the 2nd best team in the Big East right now.....record wise...)

 

Good luck to all this weekend.

[American Chewy 98]

just to add to some of the conversation about these games:

 

lean to ku (+5.5) they've proven they can stop brad smith the past 2 seasons and i think their offense moves the ball against a def that gave up 31 to oklahoma st. the ku def should get a few turnovers too.

 

lean to NW (+3)jumped out at me a bit too with the way nw is playing. but you never know what michigan will do too.

 

S. Carolina (+14) I like this one, i think the money is coming in on them also. tennessee has done nothing but disapoint me all season and 14 is probably too many for them here.

[PackYourNut 47]

College:

 

BC + 13.5 BS LOSER- but a LOSER none the less

Mich St over 62 1/2

Wisconsin - 20

MD + 17

UTEP - 20

NC + 20 1/2

Texas - 37

UCLA - 7

TCU - 6 1/2

NW + 3

 

NFL:

 

Wash + 2

Cinci - 9

Houston - 2

SD over 50

TB - 11

 

 

All for 2 units!

 

GL Everyone!

[markblaz 0]

I went with this teaser, you guys approve?

 

Va Tech -.5

Purdue +28

Washington State +42

Northwestern +16

this teaser cant pay very good even if you win. the risk/reward just doesnt seem worth it to me. but, i would say you have a pretty good chance of winning i guess.

[PackYourNut 47]

I went with this teaser, you guys approve?

 

Va Tech -.5

Purdue +28

Washington State +42

Northwestern +16

this teaser cant pay very good even if you win. the risk/reward just doesnt seem worth it to me. but, i would say you have a pretty good chance of winning i guess.

With Purdue's defense being as bad as they are, Penn St could beat them by 4 TD's...

[ratsforlunch 0]

MD + 17

 

Everyone be careful of that MD-FSU game. Hollenbach is still experiencing alot of pain while throwing and has the entire left half of his upper body wrapped. It appears so far that we won't know the starter for sure until game time, but if Hollenbach can't go....Statham is just plain awful. Threw 8 TD's to 15 Int's last year and has a severe case of noodle arm. Steffy is unproven as the only other QB option. Unfortunately, I can see FSU winning this one by 3 TD's if Hollenbach doesn't play or plays but isn't healthy.

 

 

Sorry if you've already made the play Pack, I would have posted this earlier, but I wanted to see if we'd get any positive news on Hollenbach and I haven't noticed the terps as a frequent play 'round here. Anyway, I hope you're on the right side, I'd like to see us not get our a$$es handed to us.

[phillybear 366]

I don't know if it will affect a lot of folks, but...

 

Note: the game between Middle Tenn St and Florida International has been postponed.

[PackYourNut 47]

MD + 17

 

Everyone be careful of that MD-FSU game. Hollenbach is still experiencing alot of pain while throwing and has the entire left half of his upper body wrapped. It appears so far that we won't know the starter for sure until game time, but if Hollenbach can't go....Statham is just plain awful. Threw 8 TD's to 15 Int's last year and has a severe case of noodle arm. Steffy is unproven as the only other QB option. Unfortunately, I can see FSU winning this one by 3 TD's if Hollenbach doesn't play or plays but isn't healthy.

 

 

Sorry if you've already made the play Pack, I would have posted this earlier, but I wanted to see if we'd get any positive news on Hollenbach and I haven't noticed the terps as a frequent play 'round here. Anyway, I hope you're on the right side, I'd like to see us not get our a$$es handed to us.

Thanks for the update. I havent put my bets in yet as I dont do online gaming. I will be sure to keep tabs. I was really betting on Fla St. offense not to get to 24, as they have been average against decent teams all year.

 

Thanks again!

[dain11279 968]

I dont see how u cant take the points tonite. I wouldnt be suprised to see b.c. maybe even pull off the stunner. I love teams coming off a bye week too.

[markblaz 0]

i thought this was pretty intersting. worth the read. http://www.sportsinsights.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2693

 

 

Line Movement

by Ted S

 

Once a virgin line is posted, the fun really begins. One of the more intriguing tasks the handicapper undertakes is that of analyzing line movement -- when is it moving, how much, and most importantly, why? Let's break it down into three time frames: early, normal, and very late moves.

 

The first people to get a crack at the virgin lines at the Stardust are big time bettors, not average Joe's. Before the 'Dust opens their lines to the public, the 'lottery' occurs. Any bettor who is willing to wager at least $1000 per game can get in the lottery for first crack at the numbers. The term 'lottery' is used because these bettors must pre-register, and the order in which they are granted access to the betting window is randomly determined. On Sunday nights during football season there are usually between ten and thirty lottery bettors; at 8AM every day during basketball and baseball season there are often fewer participants. Once the lottery period is through, the adjusted lines become available for everybody to wager on.

 

Virgin lines are moved exclusively because of money. But it's not necessarily the amount of money wagered that determines when and how much a line is moved. Many bookmakers respect the opinions of various sharp players. A $1000 bet from one of these fellows (and, yes, they are almost exclusively men) can move a line before a $10,000 bet from a less respected individual. Often the bets are made by 'beards', people who are placing bets for others. They are easily identified by their shabby dress and wads of hundred dollar bills wrapped in rubber bands. It's quite a sight to watch, and I recommend that anyone visiting Vegas should make the effort to view the spectacle.

 

I consider the first few hours after the lines are posted to be the "early" line moves. These moves occur primarily for three reasons:

 

somebody (or a group of somebody's) sees a line significantly different from the one they projected, and see immediate value on one side.

 

arbitrage .... lines open offshore or somewhere else with a difference of a point or more. These lines move around until they are fairly even across the board

 

Key numbers .... 'Cappers anticipate lines crossing key numbers, they grab the value where they can.

 

These early line moves are important to track for several reasons:

 

They generally act as a good indicator of which direction lines will continue to move, allowing the educated bettor to get the best line available. For example, during football season, if a line opens -8 and moves to -9, and you like the favorite, you must take it ASAP, but if you like the underdog, you can wait until later in the week, as the line could continue to creep up towards -10

 

They can be viewed in comparison to normal moves during the week. For example if a line moves strongly during the early period and then heads in the other direction in the normal movement period, you can have a case for the public on one side and the sharp bettors on the other; a definite scenario for respecting the early move

 

Late breaking injury information can also be a reason for an early move, as books post a number bettors bet against the team with the key injury

 

Normal line moves occur from the end of the early period until perhaps an hour or two before gametime. These moves again occur exclusively because of money, but it is a different type of money. Whereas a line can move a full point or even two or three very quickly during the early movement period, during the normal movement period they have a tendency to creep in on direction or the other, often at different paces in different places. This is where the public is influential - oftentimes a thousand $20 bets can push a line ½ point as opposed to the early period when large wagers are the line movers. Here books are trying to attract money to the unpopular side. When books respond to one sided betting by steadily moving a line in one direction they are risking the house's worst nightmare - being sided or middled.

 

A middle occurs when a game finishes on a number in between the opening and closing numbers. In effect both sides win the bet, and the house has to pay almost everybody. For example, if a game opens at -3.5 and moves to -4.5, and the game finishes with a 4 point margin, the house has to pay both those who laid 3 ½ and those who took 4 ½, resulting in a serious problem for the house. Being sided occurs when the book has to pay all those who took one side, while pushing with those who took the other. For example, if a line opens at -4.5 and moves to -6, and the game ends with a 6 point margin of victory, the house will be paying most of those who took the favorite, while pushing with those who took the underdog. So, when a line is slowly adjusted during the normal period, it is done with some risk for the bookmaker. Thus, lines will not move unless one of two factors occurs:

 

The linesmaker is getting extremely one sided action or

 

The linesmaker is reasonably sure the game won't finish right on or between the number

 

Normal line moves are therefor important to track because they offer a decent indicator of which side the public is betting.

 

Late line moves are those in the timeframe immediately preceding gametime. Again, here, there are a number of factors in play:

 

Betting syndicates or wiseguys feel that the line has moved as far in one direction as it is going too, so they pound it the other way, either because they like the side OR they are trying to hit a middle

 

Injured players that were 'questionable' have had their status determined (either they are in or out)

 

When lines move off of key numbers, somebody knows something about this game that is not necessarily available to the general public.

 

Often very late line moves go in the opposite direction of earlier moves. These are moves that I generally respect a lot, and they can help me pull the trigger on a wager for games that I was considering, but not certain of, or they can cause me to lay off or even buy back my original wager on the opposite side.

 

I will rarely bet a game that has moved a point or more towards the side that I like. The value is gone from that side, and the house beats the player more often than not. Usually I prefer to bet against the line move, but I'll damn well track it as it meanders it's way towards gametime.

[GobbleDog 989]

I went with this teaser, you guys approve?

 

Va Tech -.5

Purdue +28

Washington State +42

Northwestern +16

I don't like it. Betting AGAINST USC? That's tough. And Virginia Tech should win, but Boston College is certainly no pushover. Nobody would be shocked if they went and pulled off the upset. I've got a bunch of 13 point teasers this week. All of them include TEN-1 over South Carolina. No way in the world South Carolina pulls off that upset. Not even Spurrier can do that with the lowely Gamec0cks.

 

I also like Michigan St -5 over Indiana.... Indiana sucks pretty bad. Michigan St. should win by 30+ at home. A few others I'm using include FSU-4 over Maryland and Wake Forest-1 over Duke....

 

Powerhouse teams versus bottom dwellers. I've been VERY succesful doing this all year with 13 point teasers.

[chiz3 1]

I agree BC is tough, but seems to me VT plays like madmen on Thurs nights. Dont forget, VT is ranked 3rd, they are THAT good. If Im putting money on the game its going to VT.

 

As for the KU game, their coach(Mangino) is a friend of the family(our fathers were good freinds-his has passed away), so I could never bet against them, however Ive also learned just to root for him, not bet with him yet. They are coming along, getting better every year, but not there yet. GO BEAR, NC still loves you. Its funny he coached a local high school team and they ran him out saying he knew nothing about football.HAHAH. Yes it was a politcal move. They showed him huh?

 

Tonight

VT

[ratsforlunch 0]

Went with BC +14 for 2.5 units tonight. Bought a point to get to that 2 TD breakpoint, but still got it at -120 (the same amount of juice for taking VT at -13) so I don't feel too bad. BC has been pretty inconsistent with penalties and TO's this year, but Porter has missed 2 games due to injury and the game at Wake was sloppy as hell on both sides due to rain. That run D just looks pretty damn good to me and as we saw against MD, Vick (while lightyears ahead of his older brother at the same age) still has a ways to go to become an accurate pocket passer.

 

GL fellas...

 

[leo2228 0]

Hear all the games i like in collage and pro not going to bet them all but this is what i like opion welcome

 

 

 

Tennessee -13.5 South Carolina

Penn State -14.5 Purdue

Minnesota +3.5 Ohio State

Illinois +19.5 Wisconsin

Nebraska -0.5 Oklahoma

Northwestern +3.5 Michigan

Stanford +7.5 UCLA

San Diego State +6.5 TCU

Miami (Fla.) -19.5 North Carolina

Auburn -20.5 Mississippi

Hawaii +13.5 Fresno State

Florida -4.5 Georgia

Texas A&M -9.5 Iowa State

Southern California -30.5 Washington State

Oklahoma State +36.5 Texas

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dallas Cowboys -9.5 Arizona Cardinals

Cincinnati Bengals -9.5 Green Bay Packers

Tennessee Titans -1.5 Oakland Raiders

New York Giants -2.5 Washington Redskins

Houston Texans -2.5 Cleveland Browns

Detroit Lions -3.5 Chicago Bears

Carolina Panthers -8.5 Minnesota Vikings

St. Louis Rams +3.5 Jacksonville Jaguars

New Orleans Saints -2.5 Miami Dolphins

San Diego Chargers -6.5 Kansas City Chiefs

Denver Broncos -3.5 Philadelphia Eagles

San Francisco 49ers +11.5 Tampa Bay Buccaneers

New England Patriots -9.5 Buffalo Bills

Pittsburgh Steelers -9.5 Baltimore Ravens

[DOUBLEDOWN77 0]

Linecrusher.com is giving away free picks until Oct 31. user id 555 password 555

 

Their projected winner for tonight is VT +11.5.

 

Not sure if the direct NCAA link will work: http://www.linecrusher.com/0n-cfb/0ncfb.htm

 

If not just go to the main page and login with the trial ID /password. They have NFL picks too.

[phillybear 366]

An early heads up:

 

I just put in Central Michigan +7.5 for 3 units over Toledo.

 

 

Even though the action is 51% towards Cent Mich, I wanted the line over 7 for the game and I didn't want to see it drop any more. I'll see if I can add a write up at some point. Tomorrow night I might be tied up, but I'll post my games first chance I get.

[titan20 0]

taking TCU at -6.5