Franknbeans 46 Posted May 30, 2006 The long road back Many skill players never recover from serious injuries Here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
swamp dog 0 Posted May 30, 2006 you mean like steve smith? edge? mcgahee? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franknbeans 46 Posted May 30, 2006 you mean like steve smith? edge? mcgahee? did you read it? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Raider 84 29 Posted May 30, 2006 did you read it? lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted May 31, 2006 Good article. It does include Smith. For the running backs it lists only backs that were established starters in the NFL before suffering an injury that cost them 10 games or more in a season. (Obviously McGahee isn't in that category.) I'm not sure why it doesn't mention Edge because he missed 10 games after his injury in 2001. Looking at Edge pre-injury and post-injury, though, you might be surprised what you find. Interestingly his first two years (he was injured in his third year) were his most productive years... they rank 1-2 in his career in pretty much every meaningful category... total yards, total TDs, rushing yards, receiving yards, receiving TDs... and are tied with 2005 for the most rushing TDs in his career. Be afraid, be very afraid... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Let Da Big Dog Eat 40 Posted May 31, 2006 What surprised me was how many WR made it back in a big way. I discount S Smith tho as it was only a broken leg. Serious muscle injuries are much harder to recover from. Since I have had both (more than once), I'll go for a broken bone any time over torn muscles. Making me rethink JW somewhat. I had him off my board as a bust this year. But, it's likely not going to be an issue as someone will gamble on him far sooner than I will. And, obviously Swamp did not read it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
What is the deal? 1 Posted May 31, 2006 Why is Jamal Lewis not included? He missed an entire season... Then 2 years later ran for 2000 yards. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROBOKOP 0 Posted May 31, 2006 I think that the nature of the injury is of significant relevance. The article just breaks it down to players who missed 10 or more games. Slow healing arm/shoulder injuries to a quarterbacks throwing arm would be more significant than a leg break. Even in the WR/RB categories I think when you look at knee injuries espicially when relating multiple ligaments or tendons there is a difference in recovery and healing compared to a clean break of a bone. Quick revories from : bruised sternum, internal bleeding, fibula break and seems as though there are worse odds recovering from significant knee injuries. I would worry about Ahman Green and Javon Walker. I dont see either getting close to their top numbers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 550 Posted May 31, 2006 Good article. It does include Smith. For the running backs it lists only backs that were established starters in the NFL before suffering an injury that cost them 10 games or more in a season. (Obviously McGahee isn't in that category.) I'm not sure why it doesn't mention Edge because he missed 10 games after his injury in 2001. There's also so mention of college injuries. I think Priest tore an ACL in college, and he turned out pretty good. I guess the moral is that if you're a RB and you're going to tear an ACL, do it in college, or your first few years in the league. Once you hit 25 or so, an ACL tear can easily end your career. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Franknbeans 46 Posted May 31, 2006 Why is Jamal Lewis not included? He missed an entire season... Then 2 years later ran for 2000 yards. Perhaps he was including those that supported his theory. Anyhow, here's how Jamal stacks up Season averages Pre-injury (1 season) 1364 yds 4.4 ypc 6 tds Post-injury (4 seasons) 1326.3 yds 4.4 ypc 7.5 tds Edge Pre-injury (2 seasons) 1631 yds 4.3 ypc 13 tds Post-injury (4 seasons) 1325.5 yds 4.1 ypc 8.8 tds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted May 31, 2006 Why is Jamal Lewis not included? He missed an entire season... Then 2 years later ran for 2000 yards. Good question. Maybe he's counting Lewis out on a technicality. Here's the criteria: "16 running backs who were established starters have suffered an injury that cost them 10 games or more." In Lewis' only season pre-injury, Priest Holmes began the year as the starter (Lewis started the season with 5, 1, and 9 carries). But, other than the beginning of the season, Lewis got the vast majority of the carries so really he should be counted as an established starter for that year. There's also so mention of college injuries. I think Priest tore an ACL in college, and he turned out pretty good. I guess the moral is that if you're a RB and you're going to tear an ACL, do it in college, or your first few years in the league. Once you hit 25 or so, an ACL tear can easily end your career. I think it's fair to not mention college injuries. You can't compare post-injury NFL production to pre-injury NFL production if there is no pre-injury NFL production. McGahee is having a good NFL career so far but there's no telling how much production (not to mention money) the injury really cost him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Parja 0 Posted May 31, 2006 I think that the nature of the injury is of significant relevance. Exactly. Bone breaks don't mean anything any more. Ligament tears are the big killers. For guys like Palmer and Culpepper, I'd be a lot less concerned had they broken and torn everything in their legs other than their ligaments and their kneecaps had shot out and taken out the eyes of their tacklers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vikings4ever 550 Posted May 31, 2006 I think it's fair to not mention college injuries. You can't compare post-injury NFL production to pre-injury NFL production if there is no pre-injury NFL production. True, but at the same time, you can't tell me Priest would be that much better if he hadn't torn his ACL in college. The subtitle of the article is "Many skill players never recover from serious injuries". In many cases, for RBs in the NFL, that's true. But at the same time, plenty of players suffer injuries in college or early in their career, and come back just fine. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaveJ 0 Posted June 1, 2006 What surprised me was how many WR made it back in a big way. I discount S Smith tho as it was only a broken leg. Serious muscle injuries are much harder to recover from. Since I have had both (more than once), I'll go for a broken bone any time over torn muscles. I believe Steve Smith Broke his leg, dislocated his ankle and tore either ligiments or tendons in that ankle at the same time. It wasn't just a broken leg..... Its not as nasty as blowing a knee like McGahee did, but its close.... Who was that WR that blew out both knees on the same play last year or the year before last??? After reading that article, it simply puts into verbage what we all know. Major injuries are bad news... and guys are rarely the same afterwards. However... the type of injury DOES play a roll... QB's - Knee injuries are less of a problem provided they are stable and strong enough to move around. Arm injuries, hands etc are problematic. WR's and RB's - Knees, ankles or shoulder injuries matter most. I also think he is relying upon the numbers a little too much. For example his Warner analysis. It makes it seem like Warners finger injury lead to his career unfolding... well it started a chain of events that lead to his departure from a team he had GREAT success with, but it wasn't the injury that did it. It was the opportunity his injury gave to Trent Green and Marc Bulger to come in and excel and grow, also the changes and battles for his job scrambled the eggs in his head. Not to mention.... Marshall Faulks decline occured roughly at the same time. His analysis of Jamal Anderson was good, though Jamal may have been more of an fluke to begin with and a product of the team/system. Gannon... well hart to do an analysis on the after effects when a guy retires because of a neck injury. I think this author had an idea of what he wanted to say and he chose players that statistically fit his analysis while leaving out OTHER contributing factors. Give him credit for disclosing successes like Fred Taylor and Bledsoe though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
t.j 35 Posted June 1, 2006 True, but at the same time, you can't tell me Priest would be that much better if he hadn't torn his ACL in college. The subtitle of the article is "Many skill players never recover from serious injuries". In many cases, for RBs in the NFL, that's true. But at the same time, plenty of players suffer injuries in college or early in their career, and come back just fine. That may be the subtitle, but the theme seems to be more that many skill players are never the same after serious injuries. A few have had career-ending injuries but it seems that the common result is a dropoff in performance. I think maybe Priest would have been significantly better if he hadn't torn his ACL. If nothing else he probably would have gotten an opportunity earlier in his career. As it was, by the time he was really productive he was almost 30. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chronic Husker 85 Posted June 1, 2006 Gannon... well hart to do an analysis. I think this author had an idea of what he wanted to say. I have no joke here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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