ronnie brown vs steven jackson

[zoot9246 0]

i need advise on which back to draft in the first round.

[ShaneFalco 0]

It's Jackson by a mile for me.

 

Don't fall for the hype machine.

[Rookie QB 0]

Steven Jackson

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

Jackson

[akaoni 0]

I'd say Jackson as well, my only concern is the terrible St. Louis D, which might have them playing from behind, and passing a lot. But overall, I'd expect him to get his carries, especially against some of the poor opposition they face, thus Jackson is the pick

[famousb 11]

It's Jackson by a mile for me.

 

Don't fall for the hype machine.

[sjanson 0]

I agree with the other posters...Jackson has more FF points potential.

[Bugs Bunny wuz here 0]

why so much love for jackson? i see a guy who had 6 game of 48, 17, 6, 24, 67, and 28 yards rushing. brown is the clear way to go here.

[joeyleroy 0]

I have to tell ya - I like Brown - it's close but I'd take Brown

They both have Good Offenses but Miami has the better D which means that they'll be running more

QB - Cpep

WR - Chambers, Booker

TE - McMicheal

= Defenses can't gang up like last year

 

Prediction

Brown = 1600 total yards and 15 tds

Jackson = 1500 total yards and 12 tds

[bgard72 10]

why so much love for jackson? i see a guy who had 6 game of 48, 17, 6, 24, 67, and 28 yards rushing. brown is the clear way to go here.

 

I'm with ya Bugs. Keep in mind that Jackson had 1046 total rushing yards, 8 TD's. Brown had 907 total rushing yards, 4 TD's. RICKY Williams had 743 total rushing yards, 6 TD's. NO MORE RICKY this year!

 

I would take Brown over Jackson this year.

[famousb 11]

I'm with ya Bugs. Keep in mind that Jackson had 1046 total rushing yards, 8 TD's. Brown had 907 total rushing yards, 4 TD's. RICKY Williams had 743 total rushing yards, 6 TD's. NO MORE RICKY this year!

 

I would take Brown over Jackson this year.

 

 

Yes, RB spent the 2nd half of the season watching RW tear it up, and he finished the season w/ only 207 carries. He only went over 20 carries 3 times last season (two of those in the first 4 weeks when RW was suspended), and also had 4 weeks where he didn't break 10 touches. So there is still no more reason to believe he can handle a primary backs 300+ carry workload.

 

SJax on the other hand had 254 total carries, and didn't have one game w/ less than 10 carries. He also missed one week - which coincidentally was week 17. Other things to like about SJax

1. He now has a HC who has to be less pass-oriented, which means he should receivce more opportunities to run the rock.

2. Faulk is most likely done. Now granted, Faulk only had 65 rushing attempts so that won't wind up padding SJax's attempt s alone that much, but Faulk also had 44 rec's too which should partially go to SJax this season. I don't see any reason not to expect SJax to have around 50-60 rec's this year.

3. You know SJax will get the gl/sy carries. RB didn't even get them in college, so who knows if he'll be able to do well with them if he even gets the chance this year...

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

I'm with ya Bugs. Keep in mind that Jackson had 1046 total rushing yards, 8 TD's. Brown had 907 total rushing yards, 4 TD's. RICKY Williams had 743 total rushing yards, 6 TD's. NO MORE RICKY this year!

 

I would take Brown over Jackson this year.

 

If you are going to play that game, then let's add up the stats of Jackson and Faulk vs Brown and Ricky last year and we will see that there are very similar, with a big edge to Jackson and Faulk in a PPR:

 

Jackson and Faulk = 1949 total yards, 108 receptions, 11 TD's

Rasta and Brown = 1975 total yards, 49 rec, 11 TD's.

 

 

However the biggest difference is that Brown only shouldered half of that load while most of the Jackson Faulk production came from Jackson (especially TD's 10-1). Throw in that the Rams are supposed to commit back to the run with Linehan, the Rams offensive line is better, and they play in a defensively weaker division / has an easier schedule... and Jackson is the clrea cut winner IMO.

[listen2me 23 1,958]

after the big 3 and Tike and Portis .....these are the 2 I really like....

 

Both will have a big increase in carries...where I see 320 at least for each....both can catch it...

 

These are huge talents that havn't quite had the chance yet...Im going to say if Faulk comes back then Ronnie if not then Brown...both are projected the same for me...

 

these are the 2 I am looking at if I get the 8-11 pick and think they will end up as top 7 or 8 RBs

 

If you are going to play that game, then let's add up the stats of Jackson and Faulk vs Brown and Ricky last year and we will see that there are very similar, with a big edge to Jackson and Faulk in a PPR:

 

Jackson and Faulk = 1949 total yards, 108 receptions, 11 TD's

Rasta and Brown = 1975 total yards, 49 rec, 11 TD's.

However the biggest difference is that Brown only shouldered half of that load while most of the Jackson Faulk production came from Jackson (especially TD's 10-1). Throw in that the Rams are supposed to commit back to the run with Linehan, the Rams offensive line is better, and they play in a defensively weaker division / has an easier schedule... and Jackson is the clrea cut winner IMO.

 

Subtract Ricky and you have a awsome 2nd year Talent carrying the load by himself..

 

Subtract your homerism and we come to the conclusion that it is really close and tough call...

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

Subtract your homerism and we come to the conclusion that it is really close and tough call...

 

Tell me which part was homerism?

[listen2me 23 1,958]

Tell me which part was homerism?

 

Saying Jackson is the clear cut winner.....by some funky fomula...

 

And not saying one positive thing about a high draft pick, with great talent, that had a solid rookie year and will only get better.

[HawgWild 0]

I gotta go Jackson also.. I just think the Rams offense will provide him with more chances...

[NCNickNasty 0]

now who would you choose between edge and sjax?

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

Saying Jackson is the clear cut winner.....by some funky fomula...

 

And not saying one positive thing about a high draft pick, with great talent, that had a solid rookie year and will only get better.

 

OLines, coaching, and opponenents are a funky formula? Stats are a funky formula? What do you want? I think Brown is going to have an excellent year. I just think Jackson is going to have a better one. So you can call it homersim all you want.. meanwhile I'll just point to the higher ADP as my evidence.

[bgard72 10]

now who would you choose between edge and sjax?

 

I gotta go EDGE here. Denny Green is definitely behind the running game and Edge with this recent statement:

 

Cardinals | Green has big expectations for E. James

Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:03:39 -0700

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

 

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Arizona Cardinals have big expectations for RB Edgerrin James in 2006. Arizona head coach Dennis Green recently said it would be possible for James to gain numbers that the team never has seen before. "We'd love to get 1,600 yards from him this year, shatter every record we've ever had," Green said.

[The Moz 72]

Brown is more talented -- man is a great reciever , big , and can focking fly ! !

Sjackson i watched get totally shutdown by average teams -- i juts wasn;t impressed by sjax last year as a few people were.

[NCNickNasty 0]

I gotta go EDGE here. Denny Green is definitely behind the running game and Edge with this recent statement:

 

Cardinals | Green has big expectations for E. James

Thu, 29 Jun 2006 18:03:39 -0700

http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl

 

Adam Schefter, of the NFL Network, reports the Arizona Cardinals have big expectations for RB Edgerrin James in 2006. Arizona head coach Dennis Green recently said it would be possible for James to gain numbers that the team never has seen before. "We'd love to get 1,600 yards from him this year, shatter every record we've ever had," Green said.

 

 

your justification here is what his coach said? He could have also said he'd love for wings to grow out of his ass and be able to fly, but is that going to happen?

[bgard72 10]

your justification here is what his coach said? He could have also said he'd love for wings to grow out of his ass and be able to fly, but is that going to happen?

 

NC NICK....that's not the only reason I go Edge here. He's been able to run the ball fairly well over the past few years now chief. I just like that fact that Denny Green is fully behind him in his statement. Obviously keeping an eye on the Arizona running game and Edge during training camp and preseason is important to watch. But by him stating that, it's a good sign that he plans on heavily relying on him just like he's been relied upon in the past.

[Parkers99 0]

meanwhile I'll just point to the higher ADP as my evidence.

 

Ugh... that's pretty weak evidence. Think about how dumb the average person is...

 

Based solely on talent, I think Ronnie is the better back. But I don't know about his situation. We'll have to see how Culpepper is physically and how well he does in this offense.

 

For now I say it's a toss-up.

[RamslovaMartzhata 3]

Ugh... that's pretty weak evidence. Think about how dumb the average person is...

 

Based solely on talent, I think Ronnie is the better back. But I don't know about his situation. We'll have to see how Culpepper is physically and how well he does in this offense.

 

For now I say it's a toss-up.

 

If you read through the entire thread, you would see that I gave specific reasons why I thought Jackson would be better. The ADP comment was to back up my claims and aimed to refute him calling me a homer.

[canada1 0]

Since I drafted Jackson this year...you should go with Brown....the fantasy gods have not been very happy with me the last few years

[superskin#99 0]

I give a slight advantage to Jackson over Brown. I think in goaline situations Brown will have to compete with the high leaping Chambers, McMichael, and a big mobile QB in Culpepper. The Rams don't have those kind of endzone targets: Holt is great but they don't throw jumpballs to him in the endzone, Bulger isn't a runner unless he has to, and I don't even know who their TE is.

[Parkers99 0]

I give a slight advantage to Jackson over Brown. I think in goaline situations Brown will have to compete with the high leaping Chambers, McMichael, and a big mobile QB in Culpepper. The Rams don't have those kind of endzone targets: Holt is great but they don't throw jumpballs to him in the endzone, Bulger isn't a runner unless he has to, and I don't even know who their TE is.

 

That is a very good point! I hadn't even thought about all the 1/2 yard TD's Culpepper used to throw to Moss... if he & Chambers do much of that it could certainly cut into Brown's numbers... and McMichael will definately be a good end zone target.

 

I'm sold, SJax > Brown

[pook187 0]

Touchdown Ronnie Brown.

 

[SoloMatisse 0]

Im going to try and provide a relatively unbiased opinion here on this, in that I own both in 2 different leagues, but do own Jackson in my only keeper league, so if anything I might favor Steve Jack. I recently drafted Brown in a redraft after strongly considering Jackson, but made my decision ultimately based on strength of schedule. The two are so similar in skills and team situations, though Id argue that the Dolphins D is much better, so it should contribute to keeping games closer. The Rams will simply be blown out in several games in which they will be forced to abandon the run. But anyway, in comparing schedules, here is what I found.

 

 

Ron Brown :

 

-he gets to play Buffalo and the Jets twice each.....ranked 31st and 29th respectively in '05 rushing D.

-he gets to play Tennessee and Houston once each....ranked 22nd and 32nd respectively in '05 rushing D.

-he gets to play Green Bay and Detroit once each.....ranked 23rd and 24th repsectively in '05 rushing D.

.....those games represent HALF of his games. Further........

-he gets Chicago, Jacksonville and Minnesota.....11th, 14th and 19th against the run in '05......and STILL NOT yet a top 10 run D revealed yet, and ALL very winable games for Miami this season.

-the toughies....New England twice.....8th vs the run in '05 but 26th overall, so you make the call.

-KC at home......7th vs the run in '05 but 25th overall, so you make the call.

-IMO, Ron Brown's 2 most difficult games are weeks 1 and 17. Week 17 is on the road vs Indy and will not impact MY fantasy season, so I threw it out. Week 1 is on the road against Pittsburgh, and as it turns out, Big Ben may not even be available yet for action, so who knows?? Regardless............

 

THAT is officially the EASIEST schedule for a starting running back in the NFL.

 

 

Steven Jackson:

 

-he gets....Denver, 2nd '05 rushing D....San Diego, 1st '05 rushing D.....Carolina, 4th '05 rushing D.....Seattle TWICE, 5th '05 rushing D....Arizona and SF twice each and 10th and 18th in '05 rushing D respectively. Those games SHOULD be good games for Jackson, but in 2 of those games against those teams last year, he had 12 carries for 6 yds and 16 carries for 28 yds....not real good! He gets Minnesota week 17, so Ill throw that one out. Washington and Oakland are the final 2 uncommon opponents and they were 13th and 25th respectively in '05 rush D. not terrible matchups.

 

Common opponents include Detroit, Green Bay, KC, Chicago and MN which I already discounted.

 

THAT is officially the HARDEST schedule for a starting running back in the NFL.

 

 

So, all other things being relatively equal, this is kindof a no brainer. Ron Brown doesnt face a top 5 rush D all year.....Jackson will see a top 5 rush D FIVE times......like I said, Im a Jackson owner, but after carefully looking over this schedule, I may not be for very long...........

[Raider 84 29]

Jackson will out perform Brown if he can remain healthy all season. He also has a cake schedule. Ronnie plays in a tougher defensive division.

[SoloMatisse 0]

Jackson will out perform Brown if he can remain healthy all season. He also has a cake schedule. Ronnie plays in a tougher defensive division.

 

 

Im lmao at this post..............read the one previous....

[RLLD 4,275]

I drafted Jackson and Caddy last year, and they were instrumental in my playoff runs.

 

I am a pretty big Jackson-homer at this time, so I really feel that he is the better choice.

 

JMHO

[SoloMatisse 0]

I just officially traded Jackson FOR Brown. We could have gone back and forth on who should be giving who a draft pick in this deal, but ended up just swapping them straight up. So it was mini-blockbuster, but a fair trade imo. The case can be made that I didnt get enough. And Im going to miss Jackson on my team, but Im gonna walk the walk with this one.....how quickly we can completely jump off one bandwagon onto another in FF ........

[gatorbait7391 0]

this is a great comparison since they are both on the verge of breakouts but I give the edge to sjax because I dont no if ronnie can carry the load for a full year. I just hope I dont get stuck in this pickle

[ellisonb11 0]

this is a great comparison since they are both on the verge of breakouts but I give the edge to sjax because I dont no if ronnie can carry the load for a full year. I just hope I dont get stuck in this pickle

 

well g-bait, if u do get stuck in a pickle, we know u will choke and pick the wrong player

[Dog Face Gremlins211 0]

go with Jackson he will do much more then ronnie this year

[Ras66not99 0]

If you are going to play that game, then let's add up the stats of Jackson and Faulk vs Brown and Ricky last year and we will see that there are very similar, with a big edge to Jackson and Faulk in a PPR:

 

Jackson and Faulk = 1949 total yards, 108 receptions, 11 TD's

Rasta and Brown = 1975 total yards, 49 rec, 11 TD's.

However the biggest difference is that Brown only shouldered half of that load while most of the Jackson Faulk production came from Jackson (especially TD's 10-1). Throw in that the Rams are supposed to commit back to the run with Linehan, the Rams offensive line is better, and they play in a defensively weaker division / has an easier schedule... and Jackson is the clrea cut winner IMO.

 

Amen to that....totally agree that division is baaaaaaaaaad !