Hurricane 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Who would you rather have as your RB3? (My first two are LJ and Edge) Arguments for Davis: The guy has done wonders behind a crap line for a few years now. Last year, even with his injuries causing him to miss five games, he gained 1,313 total yards from scrimmage, a pace that would put him at close to 2,000 yards over a full 16-game schedule. Kubiak is now the HC, meaning he has at the very least the mindset which churned out solid RB after RB in Denver. The team passed on Reggie Bush, meaning they have utmost confidence in their run game with DD at the helm. I'm not buying the arguments that the Texans didn't do their homework about his injury before the NFL draft, and now they're screwed. Arguments against Davis: He's hurt again this preseason with the same injury that kept him out last year. Texans have hardly done squat to improve their o-line. Moulds gives the team another passing option so perhaps takes away touches from DD. Arguments for Lewis: The guy is only 27 even though it seems like he's been in the league for decades, so he still has some wear left on the tires and is not far removed from his top fantasy seasons. They have a good QB now so defenses will have to tend to the passing game, potentially leaving Lewis to get his. He has done well when the RB show has been all his, not like last year, when he basically split time with Chester Taylor. Mike Anderson is proving to be insurance, not a primary carrier. Injury free this year and no worries about contract at this point, so no distractions? Arguments against Lewis: Had a terrible season last year. Perhaps used too much in years past so maybe older than his 27 years? Has a good QB now so could take touches away from him. I have a gut feel about Lewis now that McNair is around. For some reason I see him being a solid RB2, posting around 1400 yards and 8 TDs. I like Davis' situation, but the injury talk is a tad worrisome. I'm trying not to hype the Kubiak hiring too much - Denver had personnel to make their runners godlike. What do you all think? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Byars41 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Dom.Davis they both are injury risks so i don't really give one guy the edge based off that. if anything D.Davis could ahve the edge because he's taken less carries and had less significant type injuries. i like D.Davis though because he racks up receiving yards. J.Lewis gets close to none. look at D.Davis' total yards per game. its among the best of all RBs. he's just gotta stay healthy, but like i said, i believe that applies to J.Lewis too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hurricane 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Hmm... no one else has any thoughts? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akaoni 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Dom's been in a slow fall down my depth charts because of his chronically swollen knee, but he hasn't reached Jamal's tier just yet. Still, even though I was a Jamal owner last year, I still think he might have some fight in him. I wouldn't be surprised to see him put up a good season this year, of course I wouldn't be surprised if he flames out as well. Both have become big Risk-Reward picks in my book... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jgcrawfish 232 Posted July 17, 2006 Here's my thoughts. If your draft is a bit later, I'd wait on both of these guys to see what they look like in training camp. If Jamal has on his happy-feet tap-dancing shoes, he's not worth it. However, if he runs like "pre-prison Angry Jamal", take a stab at him. And if Dom misses even a couple of practices due to that knee, lable his arse "chronic" and jetison him from your plans as well. But if that knee looks healthy, he may be better than Angry Jamal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SmartassBoiler 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Here's my thoughts. If your draft is a bit later, I'd wait on both of these guys to see what they look like in training camp. If Jamal has on his happy-feet tap-dancing shoes, he's not worth it. However, if he runs like "pre-prison Angry Jamal", take a stab at him. And if Dom misses even a couple of practices due to that knee, lable his arse "chronic" and jetison him from your plans as well. But if that knee looks healthy, he may be better than Angry Jamal. Completely agree. Dom Davis provides huge yardage totals, and got a big vote of confidence by the new coaching staff when they didn't draft Reggie Bush and didn't go after anyone to compete with him for carries. However, his knees remain a big source of concern. As it stands right now, I'll avoid Dom Davis because of the knees given he's being drafted early on in the 2nd round. However, if he proves healthy in pre-season, he has top 10 potential. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akaoni 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Here's my thoughts. If your draft is a bit later, I'd wait on both of these guys to see what they look like in training camp. If Jamal has on his happy-feet tap-dancing shoes, he's not worth it. However, if he runs like "pre-prison Angry Jamal", take a stab at him. And if Dom misses even a couple of practices due to that knee, lable his arse "chronic" and jetison him from your plans as well. But if that knee looks healthy, he may be better than Angry Jamal. Agreed, these guys are defenatley on my pre-season watch list... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hurricane 0 Posted July 17, 2006 Thanks for the responses. I've offered another owner the both of them for Willis McGahee and a 3rd round pick because I'm too concerned about keeping either one. I guess I shouldn't be too concerned, though, considering I'm worrying about my RB3 when some teams don't even have a decent RB1. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wild_and_crazy_guy 5 Posted July 17, 2006 The answer is entirely based on how D.Davis' knee is recovering from off-season surgury. When healthy, I would rather have Davis. But if there is ANY doubt whatsoever, then I would be very happy with J.Lewis as my #3 RB. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DaveJ 0 Posted July 18, 2006 I agree with the wait and see approach. Problem is.. if you wait too long the price of both go up. If you base the value on either of them on potential, taking into account their downside potential, I would say it comes down to your scoring system. Jamal is a pure runner, he will gain more yards than Dom. His 2000 season aside, if he is healthy, plays like he did before and his ankle holds up, you can look for 1400 or so yards from him in a full season, plus or minus 100 yards. Dom however, will most likely put up 1200-1300 yards and close to 400-500 receiving. In PPR league that leaps him into the 5-8 ranking range. TD's.. I think these guys are a wash. They will both score in the 10-15 range..... As for the individuals... Dom's knee injury isn't a major one. It just hasn't healed fully. The procedure was an ortho clean up, cart or similar. The good news is the swelling isn't an infection, just irritation. The worst case for him would be to have go to for a cleanup. Figure if it causes problems at the beginning of camp, they will shut him down and get him back in for the cleanup. It takes 4-8 weeks for ortho recovery so he will likely miss 3-4 games. Figure another week or two to get into the swing of things nad your looking at 3/4 of a season of production. As your third back... that aint bad depending on your other two backs bye weeks. If you can wait it out that is.. Jamal's problem is his running confidence and the fact the O couldn't move the ball. His late season performance gives us an indicaton he is getting back to normal. Right now if I was picking either one in a draft, I would go with Jamal... but if I was filling in a spot, trading or able to wait out the knee, I would draft Dom unless it wasn't a PPR league. I was recently offered Dom for Jamal... but I didn't pull the trigger. I have Ronnie Brown and Edge and can wait out Jamals situation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
anty63 0 Posted July 18, 2006 Who would you rather have as your RB3? (My first two are LJ and Edge) WOW, iS IT POSSIBLE TO GET lj AND eDGE? I WOULD TAKE LEWIS. NOTHING GOOD EER CAME FROM THE texanS! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lguero1 4 Posted July 18, 2006 that is what stuck out in my reading also. some people don't have decent RB1 and you have lj and edge. don't worry about either jamal or dd, you have a bunch of idiots in your league or you have a 5-man league. i love dd and i love kubiak's offense but go with jamal and handcuff him with mike anderson. another problem with dd is no clear cut #2 in houston, smith, morency, lundy. i am waiting and watching these two big time. thses are two big potential studs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hurricane 0 Posted July 18, 2006 that is what stuck out in my reading also. some people don't have decent RB1 and you have lj and edge. don't worry about either jamal or dd, you have a bunch of idiots in your league or you have a 5-man league. I have a 12 team keeper league where the majority of the owners have played for the past 7 years. I don't think anyone is a true idiot, but some have been smarter than others in being able to stockpile good keepers. I took a huge gamble taking LJ in the first round last year when I already had Edge, Davis, and Julius and it paid off. Some other guys went for a top WR combo and a good QB. Others have solid QB/RB/WR. My RB corps is by far the strongest, and I'm not tooting my horn. Take a look at the website if you'd like to see who else has who. What does anyone think of my sending both RBs off in exchange for McGahee? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lowman 4 Posted July 18, 2006 This is close. It could go either way. Hopefully you can wait 4 or 5 weeks, it will be an easier decesion by then. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExtremeFajita 0 Posted July 18, 2006 I think it's all been said quite well about Davis and Lewis. I'm just piping in regarding the trade for McGahee. We are speaking about a RB3 here, and most players would drool to have him as their third option. Being a long-suffering Bills fan, I watched Willis basically quit last year when he became frustrated with the coaching staff and playcalling. He did not show any of the speed from 2004 either. That plus the fact that the Bills may have the worst O-line in the league has him dropped significantly on my lists. Still this is a RB3 we're talking about, but for Davis AND Lewis I would target someone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Young_Grasshopper 0 Posted July 18, 2006 I'm pretty big on D Davis this year. I like the hiring of Kubiak for Davis' running game, and Houston has made some upgrades to its O-line, just nothing splashy. I also agree that passing on Reggie Bush was a vote of confidence for Davis. The other plus for Davis is that his backup, Vernand Morency, is a talented 2nd-year RB who can be had in the 16th round. So even if Davis' knee gets to be a big problem, he's got a cheap handcuff behind him on a team that is going to run the ball more. I don't see Baltimore as having made enough changes to its offense to upgrade Lewis significantly for that reason alone. Sorry, but McNair trying to pick up the playbook in 3 months doesn't sound like a great situation to me. The Mike Anderson signing is also problematic, could turn into a RBBC. Honestly, I think Jamal will probably have a good season (1200 yards, 9 TDs)... but the chance he'll disappoint is too high for me to gamble on him as a RB2. He was AWFUL last year. Those decent games at the end of the season were against teams like Green Bay and Cleveland: that doesn't vindicate him in my book. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mozzy84 0 Posted July 18, 2006 keeper league, and you can only keep 3 I am assuming, I would ship them both out for Mcgahee. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hurricane 0 Posted July 18, 2006 keeper league, and you can only keep 3 I am assuming, I would ship them both out for Mcgahee. Yes, keeper league, and we can keep either 2 or 3. I have had 3 RBs for a few years now and that's really the best way to go. The only other young backs I would target are Ronnie Brown and Cadillac. I might try those owners too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
akaoni 0 Posted July 18, 2006 What about packaging them for a top WR? It seems to me that since you'll have to drop both anyway, you'd be better served trying to get someone like C.J or Holt. I don't know if they'd go for it, but it seems to me that if you could stick with your top 2 RBs then snag a WR you'd be sitting pretty...I don't know about the McGahee move. I'm not sure his numbers will top either of the two you'd be trading for him this year, but maybe you're higher on Willis than I am... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hurricane 0 Posted July 18, 2006 What about packaging them for a top WR? It seems to me that since you'll have to drop both anyway, you'd be better served trying to get someone like C.J or Holt. If I stand pat, I am going to keep either DD or Jamal, not drop them both. I could probably pry CJ away from one owner, but I like having 3 RBs, and given that I finished runner up last year, my draft position would allow me to take someone like Mewelde Moore. It's that bad. I like McGahee, but primarily because of his youth. Comments I've read from him sound like his head's in the right spot and I also read some stuff about him being used in the red zone more this year. I think McGahee is more talented than DD or JL, and I think he's being undervalued this year. I just emailed the Ronnie Brown owner, so maybe I could get him instead, who I am higher on. In any case, I expect to move DD or JL prior to the draft for an early pick. There are teams out there who need them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sportscleve14 0 Posted July 18, 2006 I would rather have Domanick Davis. Jamal Lewis will probally lose carries to Mike Anderson and D.Davis should do pretty good since Houston improved at WR. Answer mine please Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ratbastard1 0 Posted July 18, 2006 Dont forget, Jamal has 2 bad knees. We are also not sure how bad Dom's knee is yet but "cronic" hasn't even been stated, he had it scoped. Dom is only 25. Jamal will be 28 this season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdubz 0 Posted July 18, 2006 DD and don't turn back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hurricane 0 Posted July 19, 2006 I just read the Ravens released FB Alan Ricard, who coincidentally missed last season too due to injury. Did Jamal's bad 2005 have anything to do with Ricard being out and if so, could that be shades of 2006? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites