Sunday morning conversation with the Lions' MIKE WILLIAMS (aka FMW)

[Mack 1 6]

interesting tidbits from the article....

 

Troubled Lion looking forward, losing weight

July 30, 2006

BY NICHOLAS J. COTSONIKA

FREE PRESS SPORTS WRITER

 

After catching 30 touchdown passes in two years at Southern California, he caught only one TD pass as a rookie -- none after the opener.

 

He acknowledged being overweight, but while he said he weighed as much as 239, others said he weighed even more.

 

He said a recent report that the Lions had fined him more than $400,000 was "way off," but he has acknowledged tens of thousands of dollars in fines.

 

"I'm in shape, ready to go," Williams said. "I started yesterday where I was before I got hurt. I'm back in running with the" first team.

 

The Lions originally wanted Williams at 230 pounds. Then they cut the target to 220. When Williams weighed in Thursday, he didn't quite make it.

 

"Missed by a couple pounds," he said. "But I haven't been 220 since high school. ...

 

"I'm out here working, and the more I'm out here working, three or four pounds will come off like that. I have a period of time to where I weigh in again. I'll make it the next time I weigh in. I'll try Thursday. So I'm not worried about that.

 

"They knew it was difficult for me, but they challenged me. I felt like, if I wasn't going to get to 220, I would try to get as close as possible so, that way, they would know I put forth the effort to do it."

 

"If 220 makes me a better player, makes me do better, that's what I want to do. Then that's what I'm going to be. ... Ain't nothing negative. They see I'm out here working. I'm here 5:30, 6 o'clock in the morning. I'm taking care of my business. I'm not here doing anything but that."

 

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article...RTS01/607300595

 

 

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FMW supposedly moved just across the street from the Lions training facility, so presumably his tardiness problems should cease. The only challenge with that is there are plenty of restaurants in the area, so perhaps he may have to continue his battle of the bulge the balance of the season.

[swamp dog 0]

yep, what i've been saying all along: the lions originally had a higher target weight that williams meet two months before the target date. the lions, in agreement with mike, lowered it another 10 pounds to 220. and he almost met that (marinelli wasn't concerned about him missing it by a "couple of pounds").

 

 

so mike's coming in around 222-223, down 18+ pounds from last year, looking good, working hard...and that's what people were skewering him over?

 

crassic.

 

this doesn't, of course, prove he won't be a bust. time will tell. but (again as i've said all along) let's give mike this season before passing final judgments on him.

 

this news certainly doesn't do anything to prove the "he's fat, lazy pos crowd," though spin control alert!!

[DrJ 0]

yep, what i've been saying all along: the lions originally had a higher target weight that williams meet two months before the target date. the lions, in agreement with mike, lowered it another 10 pounds to 220. and he almost met that (marinelli wasn't concerned about him missing it by a "couple of pounds").

so mike's coming in around 222-223, down 18+ pounds from last year, looking good, working hard...and that's what people were skewering him over?

 

crassic.

 

this doesn't, of course, prove he won't be a bust. time will tell. but (again as i've said all along) let's give mike this season before passing final judgments on him.

 

this news certainly doesn't do anything to prove the "he's fat, lazy pos crowd," though spin control alert!!

Wow, sounds a lot like the news we were getting about Harrington finally "getting it" last year. Weren't you warning everyone that he would be a huge surprise and to not "write him off too soon" as well? How did that one work out again?

[swamp dog 0]

Wow, sounds a lot like the news we were getting about Harrington finally "getting it" last year. Weren't you warning everyone that he would be a huge surprise and to not "write him off too soon" as well? How did that one work out again?

 

nice red HERRINGton (get it?)

 

go bump your anti-lion threads. shoo.

 

and a brilliant syllogism you have there:

 

--last year, swamp said give joey harrington the year before writing him off

--joey didn't do well

--therefore mike williams is a bust and should be immediately written off

 

[DrJ 0]

nice red HERRINGton (get it?)

 

go bump your anti-lion threads. shoo.

 

and a brilliant syllogism you have there:

 

--last year, swamp said give joey harrington the year before writing him off

--joey didn't do well

--therefore mike williams is a bust and should be immediately written off

 

More like:

 

-- Last year, swamp said to give Joey Harrington another year before writing him off

-- Last year, swamp was saying that Rogers was looking terrific in camp, had added 10 lbs of muscle, and was in the best shape of his life.

-- Last year, swamp was saying that the the talent that made FMW a steal at #10 was already apparant.

-- Last year, swamp was saying that Kevin Jones would build on his 2nd half of 02 and be some mega stud

 

-- Last year Harrington, FMW, Kevin Jones, and Charles Rogers all sucked.

 

-- There's a good chance that there is no substance to this story and swamp is just buying into every fluff piece that comes out of Lions camp.

[First National Bastard 0]

pwned

[swamp dog 0]

More like:

 

-- Last year, swamp said to give Joey Harrington another year before writing him off

-- Last year, swamp was saying that Rogers was looking terrific in camp, had added 10 lbs of muscle, and was in the best shape of his life.

-- Last year, swamp was saying that the the talent that made FMW a steal at #10 was already apparant.

-- Last year, swamp was saying that Kevin Jones would build on his 2nd half of 02 and be some mega stud

 

-- Last year Harrington, FMW, Kevin Jones, and Charles Rogers all sucked.

 

-- There's a good chance that there is no substance to this story and swamp is just buying into every fluff piece that comes out of Lions camp.

 

whoa, slow down there. i realize the face saving you have to do here, but now you're just being silly and bitter. relax: the bears will have a cake-walk in the division--everyone agrees--so why are you so miserable?

 

and you telling us all to have caution with mike williams: does that mean YOU are saying "let's see what this year brings before writing mike off?" if so, we agree! if not, please clarify.

 

and there's no substance to this story? yeah, the free press has conspired with lion headquarters to put out a false report on mike's current weight. he's really up to 260 and eating bon bons. you'd rather believe that, wouldn't you?

 

o-w-n-e-d.

[Ravens 03 0]

More like:

 

-- Last year, swamp said to give Joey Harrington another year before writing him off

-- Last year, swamp was saying that Rogers was looking terrific in camp, had added 10 lbs of muscle, and was in the best shape of his life.

-- Last year, swamp was saying that the the talent that made FMW a steal at #10 was already apparant.

-- Last year, swamp was saying that Kevin Jones would build on his 2nd half of 02 and be some mega stud

 

-- Last year Harrington, FMW, Kevin Jones, and Charles Rogers all sucked.

 

-- There's a good chance that there is no substance to this story and swamp is just buying into every fluff piece that comes out of Lions camp.

 

[swamp dog 0]

 

hey, write them all off. go for it. it's a free country.

 

i'm flattered--truly i am--but i have a newsflash for you: i don't control the universe and i have no power to make players do well or not do well. i simply provide links to stories. ignore, print them out and use them to wipe your azz. i give not a flying fock.

 

--i'm on record as predicting 3rd place for the lions

--i'm on record as saying reserve judgment on mike until the end of the season

 

that's it, pal. i'm not the one making grandiose predictions of doom and gloom and acting all "expert like."

 

that's a free tip.

[swamp dog 0]

More like:

 

-- Last year, swamp said to give Joey Harrington another year before writing him off

-- Last year, swamp was saying that Rogers was looking terrific in camp, had added 10 lbs of muscle, and was in the best shape of his life.

-- Last year, swamp was saying that the the talent that made FMW a steal at #10 was already apparant.

-- Last year, swamp was saying that Kevin Jones would build on his 2nd half of 02 and be some mega stud

 

-- Last year Harrington, FMW, Kevin Jones, and Charles Rogers all sucked.

 

-- There's a good chance that there is no substance to this story and swamp is just buying into every fluff piece that comes out of Lions camp.

 

so you're predicting jones, mike, roy, charles--hell, everyone in a lions uniform--will be busts this year and that it's already established this will be the case? sure sounds that way to me.

 

yeah, i can understand where you're coming from: you post that it's fact what WILL happen in the future; i simply say "let's see what the season brings." and i'm the delusional one

[DrJ 0]

so you're predicting jones, mike, roy, charles--hell, everyone in a lions uniform--will be busts this year and that it's already established this will be the case? sure sounds that way to me.

 

yeah, i can understand where you're coming from: you post that it's fact what WILL happen in the future; i simply say "let's see what the season brings." and i'm the delusional one

 

I'm predicting that there will be many more fluff pieces as this training camp progresses, and you will submit it all as "evidence" that the Lions are getting it and aren't to be overlooked.

 

By that time, not only will we be giving Mike Williams one more year - he will be the sleeper WR.

Charles Rogers will not only be on the radar - he will be ready to live up to all of his potential.

Kitna will be no journeyman, but a seasoned vet ready to lead the most potent offense in the NFL.

Kevin Jones will make everyone forget Barry Sanders even happened.

 

By week 1, the charade is over. But that won't have you giving up, oh no. You will only dig in further and insist how much these "studs" are going to progress as the season goes along and will belittle the accomplishments of all division opponents.

 

By week 4, you will be getting very bitter. Martz and Marinelli will be fighting, but it will all be written off as "competitive fire". Some bets will likely be in order, where you will proclaim that the first 4 weeks were a complete sham and that it's a marathon, not a sprint.

 

By week 8, you'll be tucking in your son.

 

By week 11, all of your bets will be lost and you will have about 6 weeks of sigs and 3 months of banning.

 

By draft time of next year, you'll be back, acting like the predictions, the bets, the son tucking all never happened. And Millen will once again be a genius.

 

That's probably closer to the mark than any prediction you'll put forward about the Lions.

[Ditka311 0]

While I generally disagree with a lot of swamp's spin posts, I just read the article and took that for what it's worth. IMO, it was a pretty good read on a player most have written off. Doesn't make me want to grab BMW in the 2nd round but it's encouraging news (albeit very early in camp).

[tampa_fan_01 0]

You know what im tired of? Every time Swamp posts about his favorit team Dr J has to add some stupid focking comment about how bad the Lions suck. Has Swamp ONCE said the Lions will win the superbowl and come in 1st in total offense? NO!! Did he say they would sweep the Bears? NO!! Your just pissed cause he hates on Benson. Well, you hate on Detriot. Now get over it! Im tired of every Lions thread becoming a flame war between Swamp defending his team, and Dr J slamming them.

 

Is FMW going to prove his lofty draft status? Probably not, he is no better than a #3 Wr on that team... Can Rogers? Maybe, but that collarbone needs to be stronger that a toothpick. Can Kitna be a good QB? He can be good, look what he did with the Bengals.

 

Cant we all just get along?

[dvldog 0]

The bashing is getting old, you don't agree with the post, oh well. I'm a little sick of reading a biatch fight as well. Give a rest, we now you don't like the lions and disagere with every report. then DON'T READ THEM.

[lguero1 4]

Point: FMW should not be written off.

Counterpoint: Harrington, Millen, KJones, CRogers, and FMW should be written off.

 

The rest is just funny.

 

Thanks Mick for the information and i enjoy your sig every time i read it aobut Millen's qualifications.

As a FF Guru, read info for what it is worth and use it for what it is worth.

[Raider 84 29]

Mike = That's if he makes the cut.

[jeffkomlo 19]

On the optimistic side: If Rodgers and Roy stay healthy and FMW gets to practice on time and lays off the Coneys and crispy cremes the Lions will have a very good receiving corps. When lined up at 6'4, 6'2 and 6'3 they sometimes tower over the corners, wish Joey would have just flung it up there for them.

[listen2me 23 1,955]

More like:

 

-- Last year, swamp said to give Joey Harrington another year before writing him off

-- Last year, swamp was saying that Rogers was looking terrific in camp, had added 10 lbs of muscle, and was in the best shape of his life.

-- Last year, swamp was saying that the the talent that made FMW a steal at #10 was already apparant.

-- Last year, swamp was saying that Kevin Jones would build on his 2nd half of 02 and be some mega stud

 

-- Last year Harrington, FMW, Kevin Jones, and Charles Rogers all sucked.

 

-- There's a good chance that there is no substance to this story and swamp is just buying into every fluff piece that comes out of Lions camp.

 

[esoitl 0]

On the optimistic side: If Rodgers and Roy stay healthy and FMW gets to practice on time and lays off the Coneys and crispy cremes the Lions will have a very good receiving corps. When lined up at 6'4, 6'2 and 6'3 they sometimes tower over the corners, wish Joey would have just flung it up there for them.

???

most corners are lucky to stand a bit over 6'0"

 

having 3 WRs like that is pretty fantastic

[swamp dog 0]

You know what im tired of? Every time Swamp posts about his favorit team Dr J has to add some stupid focking comment about how bad the Lions suck. Has Swamp ONCE said the Lions will win the superbowl and come in 1st in total offense? NO!! Did he say they would sweep the Bears? NO!! Your just pissed cause he hates on Benson. Well, you hate on Detriot. Now get over it! Im tired of every Lions thread becoming a flame war between Swamp defending his team, and Dr J slamming them.

 

Is FMW going to prove his lofty draft status? Probably not, he is no better than a #3 Wr on that team... Can Rogers? Maybe, but that collarbone needs to be stronger that a toothpick. Can Kitna be a good QB? He can be good, look what he did with the Bengals.

 

Cant we all just get along?

 

actually, i've said benson, like mike, deserves this year too to see what he has or hasn't got.

 

my other predictions for 2006:

 

--the lions will finish 3rd

--roy williams will finish top-10 and maybe top-5 *if* he stays healthy

--everybody else on the lions? no predictions. let's see what this year brings.

 

On the optimistic side: If Rodgers and Roy stay healthy and FMW gets to practice on time and lays off the Coneys and crispy cremes the Lions will have a very good receiving corps. When lined up at 6'4, 6'2 and 6'3 they sometimes tower over the corners, wish Joey would have just flung it up there for them.

 

mooch had joey programmed to throw the 3-yard out and only the 3-yard out.

 

While I generally disagree with a lot of swamp's spin posts, I just read the article and took that for what it's worth. IMO, it was a pretty good read on a player most have written off. Doesn't make me want to grab BMW in the 2nd round but it's encouraging news (albeit very early in camp).

 

i didn't write the article. and i agree it's early in camp. my whole point is that mike deserves this year (at the very least) before people make a final judgment on him.

 

maybe he ends up being a dud. but it's foolish to make that pronouncement in july.

 

I'm predicting that there will be many more fluff pieces as this training camp progresses, and you will submit it all as "evidence" that the Lions are getting it and aren't to be overlooked.

 

By that time, not only will we be giving Mike Williams one more year - he will be the sleeper WR.

Charles Rogers will not only be on the radar - he will be ready to live up to all of his potential.

Kitna will be no journeyman, but a seasoned vet ready to lead the most potent offense in the NFL.

Kevin Jones will make everyone forget Barry Sanders even happened.

 

By week 1, the charade is over. But that won't have you giving up, oh no. You will only dig in further and insist how much these "studs" are going to progress as the season goes along and will belittle the accomplishments of all division opponents.

 

By week 4, you will be getting very bitter. Martz and Marinelli will be fighting, but it will all be written off as "competitive fire". Some bets will likely be in order, where you will proclaim that the first 4 weeks were a complete sham and that it's a marathon, not a sprint.

 

By week 8, you'll be tucking in your son.

 

By week 11, all of your bets will be lost and you will have about 6 weeks of sigs and 3 months of banning.

 

By draft time of next year, you'll be back, acting like the predictions, the bets, the son tucking all never happened. And Millen will once again be a genius.

 

That's probably closer to the mark than any prediction you'll put forward about the Lions.

 

as other have said, let it go. this is an ff board. this is an ff-related article. you have the power NOT to read it, not to believe it, and not to respond to it. but the guys above are right: enough. i'm no longer taking your childish bait.

 

good luck this year.

[Ditka311 0]

Wasn't saying you were proclaiming BMW to be a pro bowler, I am just saying that the article that you posted shows some encouraging signs for BMW, especially since a lot of people this he is a worthless POS at the moment.

[swamp dog 0]

Wasn't saying you were proclaiming BMW to be a pro bowler, I am just saying that the article that you posted shows some encouraging signs for BMW, especially since a lot of people this he is a worthless POS at the moment.

 

well, i hope it hopefully turns out okay for him

[Chocolate Milk 0]

I'm predicting that there will be many more fluff pieces as this training camp progresses, and you will submit it all as "evidence" that the Lions are getting it and aren't to be overlooked.

 

By that time, not only will we be giving Mike Williams one more year - he will be the sleeper WR.

Charles Rogers will not only be on the radar - he will be ready to live up to all of his potential.

Kitna will be no journeyman, but a seasoned vet ready to lead the most potent offense in the NFL.

Kevin Jones will make everyone forget Barry Sanders even happened.

 

By week 1, the charade is over. But that won't have you giving up, oh no. You will only dig in further and insist how much these "studs" are going to progress as the season goes along and will belittle the accomplishments of all division opponents.

 

By week 4, you will be getting very bitter. Martz and Marinelli will be fighting, but it will all be written off as "competitive fire". Some bets will likely be in order, where you will proclaim that the first 4 weeks were a complete sham and that it's a marathon, not a sprint.

 

By week 8, you'll be tucking in your son.

 

By week 11, all of your bets will be lost and you will have about 6 weeks of sigs and 3 months of banning.

 

By draft time of next year, you'll be back, acting like the predictions, the bets, the son tucking all never happened. And Millen will once again be a genius.

 

That's probably closer to the mark than any prediction you'll put forward about the Lions.

 

[swamp dog 0]

 

it's a free country, dude. you don't even have to open a thread like this if there's nothing in it for you--even posting a silly wastes time you'll never get back. know what i mean?