kiki 0 Posted August 18, 2006 Who saw the game? I see on nfl.com that he had a long reception... With all the midget backs in Phili, can he make an impact if he's healthy again? again, deep Dynasty here... We all know Westbrook will miss some time, can Buck give you a couple quality starts this year? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jocstrap 8 Posted August 18, 2006 I forgot all about this name! didn't he have a good year once with 8ish td's in 1988 before his back to back to back to back years missed? He was the pounder/short yardage guy. Possibly a late pick up if he's back on the radar! Keep us informed. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kiki 0 Posted August 18, 2006 "Jerious Norwood will outproduce Reggie Bush!" yo... jocstrap... I hope you're right about that. He was my second round pick in my dynasty league and I enjoyed watching him go apeshit in limited time last week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
z00g 0 Posted August 18, 2006 I forgot all about this name! didn't he have a good year once with 8ish td's in 1988 before his back to back to back to back years missed? He was the pounder/short yardage guy. Possibly a late pick up if he's back on the radar! Keep us informed. He had an alright season first or second year I believe...but he came out in 2000 for the '01 season, unless I'm mistaken. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gottabesweet84 0 Posted August 18, 2006 "Jerious Norwood will outproduce Reggie Bush!"yo... jocstrap... I hope you're right about that. He was my second round pick in my dynasty league and I enjoyed watching him go apeshit in limited time last week. apeshit, awesome word Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tampa_fan_01 0 Posted August 18, 2006 I finally released him after having him on my IR for three years... so he'll blow up.... I think he can be the goal line back and short yardage guy. You dont have to be really fast to do that, and thats where alot of those knee surgeries will affect him. He should be able to cut enough to run straight at the pile... I'd like to see him make it back. Would be a great comeback story! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ratbastard1 0 Posted August 18, 2006 Robert Edwards is a better gamble! Seriously, let someone else waste a roster slot on him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red White and Blue 81 Posted August 18, 2006 Buckhalter missed two straight seasons with knee injuries and supposedly walks with a limp. His best year was (I think) in 2002 with Westbrook and Duce - he scored 9 TDs. Last night he caught a very nicely designed shovel pass and took it 50 yards to the Ravens' 1. Buck wasn't outrunning anyone - he had terrific downfield blocking. Even in deep leagues I'm not sure he's worth drafting. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RayLewis52 0 Posted August 18, 2006 I was at the game. Donovan was in trouble, scrambled from the pocket, avoiding pressure from suggs and others, and dumped the ball to CB in 2yds in front of him. I would not say the play was designed this way. Sure, he got some great blocking, but he made something outta nothing. He weaved all over the field to find the holes and his speed looked incredible. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuse9 129 Posted August 18, 2006 Robert Edwards is a better gamble! Seriously, let someone else waste a roster slot on him. Ah, the king of beach football. Curious, does the NFL still have the "rookie beach football game"? Or did Edwards end that? Another Georgia running back foiled by a bad knee Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red White and Blue 81 Posted August 18, 2006 I was at the game. Donovan was in trouble, scrambled from the pocket, avoiding pressure from suggs and others, and dumped the ball to CB in 2yds in front of him. I would not say the play was designed this way. Sure, he got some great blocking, but he made something outta nothing. He weaved all over the field to find the holes and his speed looked incredible. The play was designed - Buck had all kinds of downfield blocking. It just looked like it was improvised because the Ravens got pressure on DMac from the opposite direction of where he was going. Once Buck had the ball there were 2-3 O linemen right in front of him - that doesn't happen much on broken plays. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mkuz 0 Posted August 18, 2006 Another Georgia running back foiled by a bad knee Correction, Buckhalter is a product of the "BIG RED" Nebraska Cornhuskers. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted August 18, 2006 Buckhalter missed two straight seasons with knee injuries and supposedly walks with a limp. His best year was (I think) in 2002 with Westbrook and Duce - he scored 9 TDs. Last night he caught a very nicely designed shovel pass and took it 50 yards to the Ravens' 1. Buck wasn't outrunning anyone - he had terrific downfield blocking. Even in deep leagues I'm not sure he's worth drafting. The play was designed. The reason why he got so much running room when he caught the ball is because they pulled 3 OL. I really like that play, and hope they run it alot more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D'ohmer Simpson 0 Posted August 18, 2006 I'd like to see him make it back. Would be a great comeback story! I concur. He looked pretty good last night too. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuse9 129 Posted August 18, 2006 Correction, Buckhalter is a product of the "BIG RED" Nebraska Cornhuskers. Correction of correction.....I was talking about Robert Edwards. I'm a Cornhusker fan....I know where Buckhalter went!! He was no Lawrence Phillips, Ahman Green, Chris Childs, Damon Benning.....but he was okay! And yes, with Callahan as the head coach I am embarrassed to be a Husker fan now Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted August 18, 2006 I concur. He looked pretty good last night too. He had one big gainer. As much as I hate to say it, Reno Mahe has had a really good training camp and preseason. As a third down back, he is going to help this team (not to mention what he adds on special teams). Okay, fellow Bird fans, do you think Andy's gonna keep Juqua Thomas? If he makes the roster, what other ends do they keep? I really like the play of the other USC rookie DT as well. I think Reid will put him on the practice squad. I cannot believe Chris Gocong sat out last nite's game because of a stinger. That's crap. First he couldn't practice at mini camp, then he was late getting into training camp, and now we're 3 games into the preseason and he hasn't played a snap? Too early to call the pick a bust, but WTF........... William Thomas needs to play better. His pass protection hasn't been so good this preseason. Run blocking's been great, but he's been getting beat on the pass rush (albeit not every play, but enough to notice). LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the playcalling so far this preseason. Even without TO, McNabb is taking some shots down the field. That is effective because even though he may not complete the pass, at least he's stretching the field vertically, which should set up Westbrook nicely. This offense will be effective as long as Reid continues to stretch the defense with spread sets and down the field options. That is why they need Pinky back ASAP, or need to get Lelie in here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mkuz 0 Posted August 18, 2006 Correction of correction.....I was talking about Robert Edwards. I'm a Cornhusker fan....I know where Buckhalter went!! He was no Lawrence Phillips, Ahman Green, Chris Childs, Damon Benning.....but he was okay! And yes, with Callahan as the head coach I am embarrassed to be a Husker fan now correction of my own correction, my bad must have misunderstood your post. dont like callahan either but i am fairly excited about the upcomming season. we knock off usc and who knows? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cuse9 129 Posted August 18, 2006 correction of my own correction, my bad must have misunderstood your post. dont like callahan either but i am fairly excited about the upcomming season. we knock off usc and who knows? We....we.....we??!! Hey you must be a Husker fan as well!! If that's the case....I can take off my and go into mode....I'm not alone...woooo hoooo!! Problem with playing USC is we "tune-up" with Louisiana Tech and Nichols State!! Then after we play USC, it's Troy St! How in the hell is that gonna make us any better? We will not get any respect until we play a legitimate team outside of the conference. Of course USC is legit, but the other three are rediculous. BTW...USC game is on ABC Sept. 16...........yeee haaaah Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mkuz 0 Posted August 18, 2006 no sir you are not alone, born in omaha and have family out there. love the huskers though its a little rough right now. i get what you are saying about the schedual and usc is a much more tallented team than WE are but they lost alot of key guys and alot of experience. im just saying there is a chance. oh my friend i will be watching...sep. 16 baby. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red White and Blue 81 Posted August 18, 2006 He had one big gainer. As much as I hate to say it, Reno Mahe has had a really good training camp and preseason. As a third down back, he is going to help this team (not to mention what he adds on special teams). Okay, fellow Bird fans, do you think Andy's gonna keep Juqua Thomas? If he makes the roster, what other ends do they keep? I really like the play of the other USC rookie DT as well. I think Reid will put him on the practice squad. I cannot believe Chris Gocong sat out last nite's game because of a stinger. That's crap. First he couldn't practice at mini camp, then he was late getting into training camp, and now we're 3 games into the preseason and he hasn't played a snap? Too early to call the pick a bust, but WTF........... William Thomas needs to play better. His pass protection hasn't been so good this preseason. Run blocking's been great, but he's been getting beat on the pass rush (albeit not every play, but enough to notice). LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the playcalling so far this preseason. Even without TO, McNabb is taking some shots down the field. That is effective because even though he may not complete the pass, at least he's stretching the field vertically, which should set up Westbrook nicely. This offense will be effective as long as Reid continues to stretch the defense with spread sets and down the field options. That is why they need Pinky back ASAP, or need to get Lelie in here. I think they keep five ends and four DTs: Kearse, Howard, McDougle, Cole, J.Thomas, M.Patterson, Bunkley, Walker and Rayburn. I'd be really surprised if they keep a 10th. They'll put the guy from USC (whatshisname?) on the practice squad. Philly will end up cutting several players from the DL who are going to end up on other teams. The lines - O and D - look like the strength of the team right now. Mahe has had a very good camp. I wish the RBs weren't all in some state of injury. Philly's OL can really open some holes. If only they had a stud RB... The WR corps is going to be a major weakness. They're not even in discussions about Lelie - seems unlikely they'll trade for him. That's all I got. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted August 18, 2006 I think they keep five ends and four DTs: Kearse, Howard, McDougle, Cole, J.Thomas, M.Patterson, Bunkley, Walker and Rayburn. I'd be really surprised if they keep a 10th. They'll put the guy from USC (whatshisname?) on the practice squad. Philly will end up cutting several players from the DL who are going to end up on other teams. The lines - O and D - look like the strength of the team right now. Mahe has had a very good camp. I wish the RBs weren't all in some state of injury. Philly's OL can really open some holes. If only they had a stud RB... The WR corps is going to be a major weakness. They're not even in discussions about Lelie - seems unlikely they'll trade for him. That's all I got. I am not sure sure they'll keep that many ends. Walker and Howard can both play inside or outside. With that said, that affords Johnson to keep more LBs and DBs on the roster, which allows Harbaugh the flexibility with guys who can play special teams and cover kicks. We'll see, I guess. If they cut Juqua Thomas, someone will snatch him up in a heartbeat. I would much rather see the Birds sign a Stephen Davis than trade for an Ashley Lelie. Sign Davis, cut Perry and Buckhalter, keep Mahe. Westbrook, Davis, Moats, and Mahe. I'm good with that as my rushing attack. Davis is a proven veteran, and he still has a little left in the tank (9TDs in limited action last year). To me, this team wins by running the ball. Being able to run the ball completely negates the lack of a true threat on the outside. Now that doesn't mean they can't get the job done in the passing game, because if teams do stack 8 in the box (like Denver did last year), you have a few guys who have the ability to make the play down the field. Give McCants and Baskett the ability to go 1 on 1 with no over the top protection from the safety, and I'll take the receivers 9 out of 10 times. Buckhalter's a great story, but this is not Extreme Home Makeover here. Charity will not win ballgames this year. If Pitt does get Duckett via trade, then I would look for Staley to get axed, and I wouldn't mind a bit if he came back here. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red White and Blue 81 Posted August 18, 2006 I've just got to beetch and moan: Why do the Eagles always end up with one of the worst set of RBs and WR corps in the league? Other than the year and a half that TO was in Philly, for the 7+ years that Reid has been the head coach the Eagles receivers have probably been among the bottom 5 or so in the league. Charles Johnson, Torrance Small, Pinkston, Thrash, F.Mitchell, etc. etc. Reggie Brown had a good rookie campaign and he could develop into a nice receiver. Actually he'd have to, because no one else on the roster scares a defense at all. Hank Baskett has had a good camp but the fact that an undrafted rookie FA might end up starting on opening day has more to do with the lack of WR talent on the rest of the team than anything he's done. The RBs are honestly not much better. Westbrook is a terrific, versatile player but he can't stay healthy. Moats is smallish and largely unproven. The waiver wire is full of guys like Perry, Mahe, Tapeh, etc. No one on the roster looks like he can carry the ball 200+ times this year, much less 20+ carries a game. They have not had a 1,000 yard rusher since Duce did it during Reid's first year. That has to be a current record. What kills me is that they have all of this cap space and the team is loaded just about everywhere else. They have great STs. I think the defense is going to be terrific. McNabb is still in his prime. Reid wants to throw the ball 60% of the time - don't you think some experienced WRs would help? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unckeyherb 2 Posted August 18, 2006 I've just got to beetch and moan: Why do the Eagles always end up with one of the worst set of RBs and WR corps in the league? Other than the year and a half that TO was in Philly, for the 7+ years that Reid has been the head coach the Eagles receivers have probably been among the bottom 5 or so in the league. Charles Johnson, Torrance Small, Pinkston, Thrash, F.Mitchell, etc. etc. Reggie Brown had a good rookie campaign and he could develop into a nice receiver. Actually he'd have to, because no one else on the roster scares a defense at all. Hank Baskett has had a good camp but the fact that an undrafted rookie FA might end up starting on opening day has more to do with the lack of WR talent on the rest of the team than anything he's done. The RBs are honestly not much better. Westbrook is a terrific, versatile player but he can't stay healthy. Moats is smallish and largely unproven. The waiver wire is full of guys like Perry, Mahe, Tapeh, etc. No one on the roster looks like he can carry the ball 200+ times this year, much less 20+ carries a game. They have not had a 1,000 yard rusher since Duce did it during Reid's first year. That has to be a current record. What kills me is that they have all of this cap space and the team is loaded just about everywhere else. They have great STs. I think the defense is going to be terrific. McNabb is still in his prime. Reid wants to throw the ball 60% of the time - don't you think some experienced WRs would help? amen brotha. Unfortunately, after the TO debacle, I don't think Reid will touch a marquee WR with a ten foot pole. So, that leaves prospects, of which we have a few. I can see Brown turning into quite a stud this year. As for RB's, I am just as frustrated. They have Westy who is very potent in this offense, but cannot pound it up the middle. Moats is Westbrook-lite. They have held onto Buckhalter for too long. I really was hoping in the offseason they would have made a move for a guy like Edge, Jamal or even Mike Anderson. They could go back to when they had the triple headed monster of Buckhalter, Westy and Duce. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RicemanX 20 Posted August 18, 2006 I learned my lesson. Never draft a man named correll. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted August 18, 2006 amen brotha. Unfortunately, after the TO debacle, I don't think Reid will touch a marquee WR with a ten foot pole. So, that leaves prospects, of which we have a few. I can see Brown turning into quite a stud this year. As for RB's, I am just as frustrated. They have Westy who is very potent in this offense, but cannot pound it up the middle. Moats is Westbrook-lite. They have held onto Buckhalter for too long. I really was hoping in the offseason they would have made a move for a guy like Edge, Jamal or even Mike Anderson.They could go back to when they had the triple headed monster of Buckhalter, Westy and Duce. i will slightly disagree with you because they did make an effort to get walker. the packers didn't want to trade him to a interconference opponent. reid/banner had a contract worked out with him that would have paid him over $7 mil a season. to me, they thought of him as an elite receiver. now, no one knows if the packers even allowed the eagles to make a counter-offer when it came to the trade. the denver bid was better than the initial eagle offer, but who knows if the packers heard a counter. with that said, there was talk that the packers would only trade walker in exchange for a first round pick. that is ludicrous for a guy coming off an injury like that. other than that, there were no real viable options for the eagles to go out and get an elite receiver. some (like myself) thought of reggie wayne as an elite receiver. he got elite money, but other than that, there was no one else. can you really blame the front office for not getting a player that wasn't available to begin with? i believe they do eventually get an elite receiver, because we all saw what a top guy can do in this offense. however, that player has to be available first. we know the offense will probably struggle a bit this season. heck, i expect it. in reality, though, mcnabb IMO is poised to have a good year. he looks real good so far in camp, both mentally and physically. one thing i've seen so far is that he is starting to throw the ball with some touch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red White and Blue 81 Posted August 18, 2006 i will slightly disagree with you because they did make an effort to get walker. the packers didn't want to trade him to a interconference opponent. reid/banner had a contract worked out with him that would have paid him over $7 mil a season. to me, they thought of him as an elite receiver. now, no one knows if the packers even allowed the eagles to make a counter-offer when it came to the trade. the denver bid was better than the initial eagle offer, but who knows if the packers heard a counter. with that said, there was talk that the packers would only trade walker in exchange for a first round pick. that is ludicrous for a guy coming off an injury like that. other than that, there were no real viable options for the eagles to go out and get an elite receiver. some (like myself) thought of reggie wayne as an elite receiver. he got elite money, but other than that, there was no one else. can you really blame the front office for not getting a player that wasn't available to begin with? i believe they do eventually get an elite receiver, because we all saw what a top guy can do in this offense. however, that player has to be available first. we know the offense will probably struggle a bit this season. heck, i expect it. in reality, though, mcnabb IMO is poised to have a good year. he looks real good so far in camp, both mentally and physically. one thing i've seen so far is that he is starting to throw the ball with some touch. I don't really disagree with a lot of what you said about receivers. There wasn't a lot of WR talent on the market and several teams badly overspent for wideouts. I have a bigger problem with the RB situation though. They didn't need to sign Edge (although I was disappointed they weren't even in the running) but they new going into the year that Westbrook gets hurt a lot and Moats fumbles a lot and is not good at blitz pickup. They could have drafted a RB in the earlier rounds or gone after a number of affordable veteran RBs but they didn't do anything. Now you see what happens when Westbrook gets hurt - you're stuck giving a guy like Mahe significant carries. You can get by with mediocre receivers but only if you have a strong running game IMO. Philly has neither. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GhostofMeanMachine99 1 Posted August 18, 2006 I don't really disagree with a lot of what you said about receivers. There wasn't a lot of WR talent on the market and several teams badly overspent for wideouts. I have a bigger problem with the RB situation though. They didn't need to sign Edge (although I was disappointed they weren't even in the running) but they new going into the year that Westbrook gets hurt a lot and Moats fumbles a lot and is not good at blitz pickup. They could have drafted a RB in the earlier rounds or gone after a number of affordable veteran RBs but they didn't do anything. Now you see what happens when Westbrook gets hurt - you're stuck giving a guy like Mahe significant carries. You can get by with mediocre receivers but only if you have a strong running game IMO. Philly has neither. you know what, a few years ago when Shaun Alexander was going thru his contract thing with Seattle, I posted on here that the Eagles should have done everything in their power to get him. Having a big three like TO/McNabb/Alexander would have assured them of a Lombardi Trophy last year (prior to the TO debacle, mind you). Eagle fans told me that I was crazy, that Westbrook was just as good, yadayadayada. there's one player and one player only they should be concentrated on signing, and that is stephen davis. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Red White and Blue 81 Posted August 18, 2006 you know what, a few years ago when Shaun Alexander was going thru his contract thing with Seattle, I posted on here that the Eagles should have done everything in their power to get him. Having a big three like TO/McNabb/Alexander would have assured them of a Lombardi Trophy last year (prior to the TO debacle, mind you). Eagle fans told me that I was crazy, that Westbrook was just as good, yadayadayada. there's one player and one player only they should be concentrated on signing, and that is stephen davis. I heard he had a bad year last season but I've wanted him in midnight green for years and supposedly he's on the market - I'd love for the Eagles to make a deal for TJ Duckett. He's exactly what they need - a big focking wrecking ball for short yardage situations and to run out the clock. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
plasma george 62 Posted August 18, 2006 i he looks real good so far in camp, both mentally and physically. one thing i've seen so far is that he is starting to throw the ball with some touch. WHAT ? Did you see any of McNabbs downfield attempts, they were all overthrown 10 yards or more. Take away the 2yd ptich to Correll and his night was typical crap. Not preaching my sig, but the kid has no touch, and will never be consistent on throws that need to be "on the mark". That's what we don't have in McNabb, and it ain't gonna change for many more years (Thanks FatAndy), that 's the truth. Whenever McNabb throws one downfield it really looks like he's throwing it away (with no pressure) BANG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ratbastard1 0 Posted August 19, 2006 Ah, the king of beach football. Curious, does the NFL still have the "rookie beach football game"? Or did Edwards end that? Another Georgia running back foiled by a bad knee I believe that ended the "beach game" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites