Who Should Play Ohio State for the National Championship?

[fantasymasterWalker 0]

I think USC is the best team outside OSU and they will beat Notre Dame tonight. That being said I would like to see Louisville play Ohio State because I am a Louisville homer. I want to hear some of your alls insights though? I think USC would give Ohio State the best game, but I think Louisville could play with them too.

[enoto 0]

Let's keep it a Big Ten game....MICHIGAN!!!

[dereknyc76 0]

I think USC is the best team outside OSU and they will beat Notre Dame tonight. That being said I would like to see Louisville play Ohio State because I am a Louisville homer. I want to hear some of your alls insights though? I think USC would give Ohio State the best game, but I think Louisville could play with them too.

 

 

USC if they win out, and they'll be #2 if they do just that.

 

If they lose I guess Florida as long as they win the SEC. I have a hard time giving it to Michigan for a few reasons. You shouldn't be playing for the championship if you don't win your conference, and/or if you're coming off a loss. Also, why should OSU have to beat them twice for the title? Michigan had their shot to earn a spot in the BCS title game, and didn't get the job done despite getting 3 turnovers. Tough luck, next contender. EXCEPT...no way I'd give the Irish a spot over Michigan if it came down to that.

 

In any case, I don't think it matters...OSU wins by at least 10 vs. anybody.

[Mackgee 0]

I think USC is the best team outside OSU and they will beat Notre Dame tonight. That being said I would like to see Louisville play Ohio State because I am a Louisville homer. I want to hear some of your alls insights though? I think USC would give Ohio State the best game, but I think Louisville could play with them too.

 

 

The Lions

[CantTouchThis 23]

No team will ever give Ohio State a better game than Michigan can.

[Thumbless 0]

The country is going too see why USC should be in the Championship game... ND has no chance.. 21-3 and counting........

[nicewolf64 0]

bring on the rematch.

[MicktheGreat 1]

Personally, I think it SHOULD be OSU vs. Florida for the BCS title (IF Florida wins out)...

 

They beat Tennessee @ Neyland Stadium. Beat LSU. Beat Georgia @ Georgia. Beat a solid South Carolina team and rival FSU (albeit FSU wasn't as good this year as in year's past). And their only loss came to a very good Auburn team @ Auburn. Have to wait and see if they beat Arkansas next week. Plus, I think the SEC is the toughest conference consistently each year from top-to-bottom...

 

But...Florida has no real chance of getting in the title game...

 

Realistically, if USC wins tonight, it will be OSU vs. USC.

If USC loses tonight, it will be OSU vs. Michigan.

[AnaheimRams 28]

OSU vs the Oakland Raiders.

 

That'd be a great game.

 

 

I have a serious question. The whole BCS, NCAA dopey system is set up that the vote/rankings is more important than a teams record. W/L record is kinda unimportant. It's just one of the things factored in to the "vote".

 

So...

 

OSU is undefeated. When they play USC, Michigan, Florida, Notre Dame etc... they'll meet a team with one loss.

 

Is it really fair to give the Championship outright to whoever beats OSU... I mean... at that point... they'll both be one loss teams.

 

What if in some pretend season in the future there's one team that is just miles ahead of the rest of the BCS teams... and the #2 team has three losses. Do they become champs with a 9-3 record... even if the other team is 11-1?

 

The BCS has always pissed me off... and the one and only reason I can't actively watch/enjoy NCAA football.

 

Oh... as to the original question... seriously now... Boise State should be in it. The system sucks.

[shovelheadt 71]

After watching Florida's sorry play today, it's got to be Michigan with USC a distant second. Would have liked to see ND beat USC, but it doesn't look promising. Oh, and is it just me or does Quinn have a terrible arm?

[BMoney 0]

No team will ever give Ohio State a better game than Michigan can.

 

 

in other words....

 

wisconsin....

 

history proves it....

 

but the bcs rules are the suck....

 

who gives THE osu bigger fits then wisconsin in recent years?....

[fantasymasterWalker 0]

OSU vs the Oakland Raiders.

 

That'd be a great game.

I have a serious question. The whole BCS, NCAA dopey system is set up that the vote/rankings is more important than a teams record. W/L record is kinda unimportant. It's just one of the things factored in to the "vote".

 

So...

 

OSU is undefeated. When they play USC, Michigan, Florida, Notre Dame etc... they'll meet a team with one loss.

 

Is it really fair to give the Championship outright to whoever beats OSU... I mean... at that point... they'll both be one loss teams.

 

What if in some pretend season in the future there's one team that is just miles ahead of the rest of the BCS teams... and the #2 team has three losses. Do they become champs with a 9-3 record... even if the other team is 11-1?

 

The BCS has always pissed me off... and the one and only reason I can't actively watch/enjoy NCAA football.

 

Oh... as to the original question... seriously now... Boise State should be in it. The system sucks.

 

It has to go to a playoff system for these reasons above. They think it would hurt ratings but it would be like the NFL which has the highest ratings if they went to a playoff. 8 or 4 teams make it to the playoff, and let them play for the shot at the title. Can you imagine the top 8 BCS teams getting a legit shot at the title through a playoff system. It would be awsome, and even the Louisville Cardinals would have a shot (I know they probably couldn't beat USC or OSU). I really think they will switch to this 8 team playoff system because it would please every team that isn't ranked one of two each year. It would only be 3 more games if the team made it to the championship and you could take one game off the regular season schedule for all teams to account for the playoffs. With this system even the undefeated Boise States and good one loss teams would never be out of it. It will happen within the next 10 years.

[GobbleDog 997]

1 loss tie-break is decided by: Factors of the loss (ranked team? road game? close game?) AND THEN strength of schedule. Therefore, Forida deserve it most - Michigan deserves it 2nd most - Notre Dame deserve it 3rd most. Unfortunaly, USC will probably get in despite their home loss to unranked Oregon.

 

The Florida Gators BARELY lost ON THE ROAD against #5 Auburn. And they have the toughtest stregth of schedule, ESPECIALLY considering the SEC Champisonship game. Obviously the Gators are being penalized because they didn't run up the score on enough teams.

[BMoney 0]

but NO ONE plays OSU better than Wisconsin....

 

whens the last time OSU beat wisconsin? fock, i cant remember...

 

whens the last time michigan beat OSU?....

 

a playoff would this crap REAL Interesting.....

 

 

but instead..its a bunch of sponsors bidding for teams...if college hoops was this way, florida would NEVER win the title last year and we'd NEVER see george washington in it....

 

every time i hear the letters BCS

[Chiefs04 0]

No team will ever give Ohio State a better game than Michigan can.....and LOSE

 

 

Fixed.....

[nicewolf64 0]

but NO ONE plays OSU better than Wisconsin....

 

whens the last time OSU beat wisconsin? fock, i cant remember...

 

whens the last time michigan beat OSU?....

 

a playoff would this crap REAL Interesting.....

but instead..its a bunch of sponsors bidding for teams...if college hoops was this way, florida would NEVER win the title last year and we'd NEVER see george washington in it....

 

every time i hear the letters BCS

Having just moved to Madison, I'm used to hearing the "Wisconsin is getting no respect" BS. I have but 4 things to say:

Bowling Green

Western Illinois

SD State

Buffalo

 

To be considered the best, you need to at least play the best. UW is the big 10 equivalent of Kansas State.

[Brownsfan21 1]

Looks like it is Tressel vs Carrol for all the marbles. Going to be good one! It will be nice to see these two teams meet up. Interesting thing is I think OSU and USC are scheduled to play each other in the regular season in the next two years or so. WOW!

[nicewolf64 0]

1 loss tie-break is decided by: Factors of the loss (ranked team? road game? close game?) AND THEN strength of schedule. Therefore, Forida deserve it most - Michigan deserves it 2nd most - Notre Dame deserve it 3rd most. Unfortunaly, USC will probably get in despite their home loss to unranked Oregon.

 

The Florida Gators BARELY lost ON THE ROAD against #5 Auburn. And they have the toughtest stregth of schedule, ESPECIALLY considering the SEC Champisonship game. Obviously the Gators are being penalized because they didn't run up the score on enough teams.

Rankings at the time of the game are meaningless (Auburn is currently #12). I've seen a few UF games this year, and I was not impressed. None of the teams they've beaten this year are as good as they have been in the past.

[MicktheGreat 1]

Just out of curiosity...

 

IF there was a playoff system with say...the top 8 teams, who would you want in the playoffs this year???

 

1. OSU

2. Florida

3. Michigan

4. USC

5. Louisville

6. Wisconsin

7. ???

8. ???

 

I'm a supporter of the playoff system. However, we'd still have problems deciding who should get into the playoffs. I mean...this year, who'd get the #7 and #8 spots??? Boise State is undefeated but their #12 in the rankings. Notre Dame, West Virginia, Arkansas, LSU, and Oklahoma all have two losses.

 

[nicewolf64 0]

Looks like it is Tressel vs Carrol for all the marbles. Going to be good one! It will be nice to see these two teams meet up. Interesting thing is I think OSU and USC are scheduled to play each other in the regular season in the next two years or so. WOW!

Gotta respect schools that schedule the tough games. Win or lose, both teams deserve props for playing real teams and not Buffalos, and Western Carolinas.

 

Just out of curiosity...

 

IF there was a playoff system with say...the top 8 teams, who would you want in the playoffs this year???

 

1. OSU

2. Florida

3. Michigan

4. OSU

5. Louisville

6. Wisconsin

7. ???

8. ???

 

I'm a supporter of the playoff system. However, we'd still have problems deciding who should get into the playoffs. I mean...this year, who'd get the #7 and #8 spots??? Boise State is undefeated but their #12 in the rankings. Notre Dame, West Virginia, Arkansas, LSU, and Oklahoma all have two losses.

 

I think it should be the big 6 conference winners, and the 2 conferences with the best strength of schedule. Screw Notre Dame and their "too good to be in a conference". But until the NCAA does that, we'll never have a playoff.

[Chiefs04 0]

1 loss tie-break is decided by: Factors of the loss (ranked team? road game? close game?) AND THEN strength of schedule. Therefore, Forida deserve it most - Michigan deserves it 2nd most - Notre Dame deserve it 3rd most. Unfortunaly, USC will probably get in despite their home loss to unranked Oregon.

 

The Florida Gators BARELY lost ON THE ROAD against #5 Auburn. And they have the toughtest stregth of schedule, ESPECIALLY considering the SEC Champisonship game. Obviously the Gators are being penalized because they didn't run up the score on enough teams.

 

Florida had the 5th toughest as of today....and it doesnt matter where someone is ranked when you play them, but where they are ranked at the end. Floridas SOS will go up by playing ARK in the Champ..although the loss to LSU wont help....By SC destroying ND tonight this will vault them over UM with the #2 SOS....you guys dont seem to get that the loss to Oregon STATE(not Oregon) does not factor considering the out of conference wins vs Ark, Nebraska, and ND. They have played and won against 4 teams FINISHING in the top 25...They are the ONLY team besides OSU to go undefeated against top 25 opponents(UM 2-1).and the ONLY team to beat 4 teams FINISHING in the top 25...OSU v USC is the way it should be....and I hate them both(ND Grad)

[GobbleDog 997]

Rankings at the time of the game are meaningless (Auburn is currently #12). I've seen a few UF games this year, and I was not impressed. None of the teams they've beaten this year are as good as they have been in the past.

 

You're right that the Gators haven't won impressivley. But it IS the ranking at the time you play them! Whatever happens after that game is what's meaningless. If Michigan had beated #1 Ohio State, everyone would have had to give them credit for beating a #1 team, despite where Ohio finished.

 

and it doesnt matter where someone is ranked when you play them, but where they are ranked at the end.

 

WRONG!!!

[listen2me 23 1,873]

OSU vs the Oakland Raiders.

 

That'd be a great game.

I have a serious question. The whole BCS, NCAA dopey system is set up that the vote/rankings is more important than a teams record. W/L record is kinda unimportant. It's just one of the things factored in to the "vote".

 

So...

 

OSU is undefeated. When they play USC, Michigan, Florida, Notre Dame etc... they'll meet a team with one loss.

 

Is it really fair to give the Championship outright to whoever beats OSU... I mean... at that point... they'll both be one loss teams.

 

What if in some pretend season in the future there's one team that is just miles ahead of the rest of the BCS teams... and the #2 team has three losses. Do they become champs with a 9-3 record... even if the other team is 11-1?

 

The BCS has always pissed me off... and the one and only reason I can't actively watch/enjoy NCAA football.

 

Oh... as to the original question... seriously now... Boise State should be in it. The system sucks.

 

I hate the BCS but I don't get what your saying?......Just because a team has more regular season losses doesnt mean anything......can't a 10-6 Regualr season team beat out a 15-1 regular season team to win teh SuperBowl?

[nicewolf64 0]

They just said on ESPN that USC played the 4th hardest schedule. Who the heck were 1 thru 3?

Computer rankings get recalculated every week, so you could be #2 in week one and end up 5-7 and the computers and hopefully the pollsters will treat it as beating a nobody team, not the #2 at years end. Rankings before week 8 are just as useful as an elevator on a rowboat.

 

I hate the BCS but I don't get what your saying?......Just because a team has more regular season losses doesnt mean anything......can't a 10-6 Regualr season team beat out a 15-1 regular season team to win teh SuperBowl?

I agree that its not fair for OSU to lose and automatically not be considered as #1 at bowls end.

[listen2me 23 1,873]

Michigan is the next best team.....but USC will play for it.....

 

 

If Michigan losted that game to OSU in early October they would play for the Title.....but thats the wacky BCS for ya....

 

College Basketball

College Football

[Chiefs04 0]

You're right that the Gators haven't won impressivley. But it IS the ranking at the time you play them! Whatever happens after that game is what's meaningless. If Michigan had beated #1 Ohio State, everyone would have had to give them credit for beating a #1 team, despite where Ohio finished.

 

 

You are WRONG...anytime a team drops in rankings from where they were when you beat them...takes away from the "quality win" and points given towards BCS rankings. Just like if they kick a$$ after, it improves ranking points and strength of sched. If ND, for example, would have lost 2 more games, the win would NOT have been as important to Michigans ranking or strength of sched..points are deducted as the teams you beat start to suck. That is why all teams root for the teams they spank to do well(unless they have to face them again..ie. conference championship). By Texas losing today for example, would have hurt OSU in both ranking and SOS had they not been dominating, as it already has....OSU is NOT getting credit for beating the #2 team in the country twice...only once

[jpcdds 26]

Florida had the 5th toughest as of today....and it doesnt matter where someone is ranked when you play them, but where they are ranked at the end. Floridas SOS will go up by playing ARK in the Champ..although the loss to LSU wont help....By SC destroying ND tonight this will vault them over UM with the #2 SOS....you guys dont seem to get that the loss to Oregon STATE(not Oregon) does not factor considering the out of conference wins vs Ark, Nebraska, and ND. They have played and won against 4 teams FINISHING in the top 25...They are the ONLY team besides OSU to go undefeated against top 25 opponents(UM 2-1).and the ONLY team to beat 4 teams FINISHING in the top 25...OSU v USC is the way it should be....and I hate them both(ND Grad)

 

 

 

Yes but USC lost to an unranked team....which is completely worse than losing to a ranked team....so just because they beat all the ranked teams it was ok and overlooked that they lost to an unranked team?

[shovelheadt 71]

You are WRONG...anytime a team drops in rankings from where they were when you beat them...takes away from the "quality win" and points given towards BCS rankings. Just like if they kick a$$ after, it improves ranking points and strength of sched. If ND, for example, would have lost 2 more games, the win would NOT have been as important to Michigans ranking or strength of sched..points are deducted as the teams you beat start to suck. That is why all teams root for the teams they spank to do well(unless they have to face them again..ie. conference championship). By Texas losing today for example, would have hurt OSU in both ranking and SOS had they not been dominating, as it already has....they are NOT getting credit for beating the #2 team in the country twice...only once

 

Correct. This is part of the reason Michigan is going to drop. Their win against ND looks less impressive to the computers now.

[Chiefs04 0]

Yes but USC lost to an unranked team....which is completely worse than losing to a ranked team....so just because they beat all the ranked teams it was ok and overlooked that they lost to an unranked team?

 

 

Yep...sucks huh??...dont like it??...get in line....and its a long focking line

[nicewolf64 0]

Yes but USC lost to an unranked team....which is completely worse than losing to a ranked team....so just because they beat all the ranked teams it was ok and overlooked that they lost to an unranked team?

Who you lost to is waaaaaaay less important than who you played and who you beat. Dumba$$ system............

[jpcdds 26]

Yep...sucks huh??...dont like it??...get in line....and its a long focking line

 

 

 

I agree...its bs that USC loses late and they still jump all others including Florida...coming into this week...

 

 

I hate the BCS....and i hate all the BS with college football....

[brettfavreisbetterthanmarino 0]

hey niceyboy...please do us Maddies a favor..leave..

[UncleHulka 0]

A shame LSU couldn't be more consistent. There isn't a more talented team in the country.

[nicewolf64 0]

hey niceyboy...please do us Maddies a favor..leave..

I like everything about Madison except the politics, and the overvaluing of the local teams. If the Badgers would play a respectable schedule, I'd be a big fan. This is my 4th college town, and by far ya'll have the least realistic view of your teams.

 

(I even have the cheese hat hoping to someday have a reason to wear it)

 

[fenmcflashes 0]

I know it's likely USC will jump Michigan for right to play OSU, but I just don't follow the logic.

 

1. Both teams have one loss:

- but, USC's is to a nonranked team (Oregon St.).

- and, Michigan's is to #1 team in the country (for entire season)

 

2. Big 10 is stronger conference than Pac-10

 

3. Against common opponent (Notre Dame):

- USC wins 44-24 AT HOME,

- and Michigan wins 47-21 AT NOTRE DAME

 

Someone explain

[CantTouchThis 23]

They just said on ESPN that USC played the 4th hardest schedule. Who the heck were 1 thru 3?

 

 

Not sure after this week. Last week, #1 was Cincinnati, #2 was Michigan, #3 was Florida. I think USC would be around #1, you know Michigan's will probably drop because ND would drop(however, Winsconsin will rise to around #5 or 6, so, it may even out). Bottom line, Michigan's one loss was against a much better opponent, on the road, by less point. USC WILL be ranked #2, and will be playing in Glendale if they get by UCLA. However, i still think Michigan is clearly the #2 team in the country for those reasons. However, USC, has won all their big games, has played some great teams, and deserves to go dispite losing to a mediocre team, and nearly losing to several mediocre-bad teams.

 

 

 

3. Against common opponent (Notre Dame):

- USC wins 44-24 AT HOME,

- and Michigan wins 47-21 AT NOTRE DAME

 

 

Plus, watching both games, the Michigan game was actually not as close as the score indicated, and the USC game was closer than the score indicates(A freakin onside kick return??? WTF???). Michigan could've scored 60 and held them to 10 if they had played their first stringers throughout, ND was deffinently in that game a couple times, and they were never close to being in the game vs. Michigan.

 

Yes, it is all because, OSU is in the same conference, are bitter rivals, and USC's big win came at the end of the year in a cruitial time, and Michigan's loss came at the end of the year. Using logic, Michigan is still the clear cut #2, but, that is not how it will be.

[The Moose 0]

I actually think there could be major changes to the BCS in the near future. If USC faces Ohio St. and loses BIG at a neutral location, every single sports analyst in the country will be pointing out that:

 

1. Michigan only lost by 3 in the Buckeyes' house, so they were more deserving than USC

2. The winner of the SEC faced a brutal schedule, so they were more deserving than USC

3. Boise St. did what they were asked to do and went undefeated, so they were more deserving than USC

 

Basically, all the problems come down to how we determine #2. This year, it's a matter of who has the "best loss" which is absolutely rediculous and everyone knows it. I predict big changes within a next few years.

[BMoney 0]

its OK to bash teams for weak matchups...

 

this was the first year that wisconsin scheduled buffalo...with the coaching connections, they were doing the Bulls a favor by scheduling them..its cash for the small schools..as if Penn State playing Temple isnt a waste of time?

 

wisconsin would LOVE ND..but when exactly can they schedule it?..NDs opponents are always set..

 

a lot of these teams had these 1 week waste of time matchups..and its awful because..with the crapass bcs system..the only you MIGHT impress the gay voters, is to run it up on a team with 1/5 the scholarships your school has..what good is THAT?...

 

im not defending playing buffalo..just saying that MANY teams do it..these schedules are set up 4 years in advance in many cases..college football needs to dump these games and either mvoe the real season up..or use those weeks and add a playoff later...

 

"the kids will get worn down and tired"... wont this help them prep for a 16 week season in the nfl? for some..there wont BE the nfl..cant they have 1 more game?...

 

"it takes them away from school and their family during the holiday season" BS...no one cares that louisville plays on every day of the week when school starts..why would they care when its close to holiday break?.. dont say finals..this stuff can be worked out..

 

no one knows the last season that u of michigan beat OSU? cmon now.....i cant recall...

 

wisconsin hasnt lost to them since 2002..a 19-14 squeaker..maybe a reason why OSU is conveniently 1 of the 2 teams that wisconsin doesnt get anymore?

[The Moose 0]

"the kids will get worn down and tired"... wont this help them prep for a 16 week season in the nfl? for some..there wont BE the nfl..cant they have 1 more game?...

 

"it takes them away from school and their family during the holiday season" BS...no one cares that louisville plays on every day of the week when school starts..why would they care when its close to holiday break?.. dont say finals..this stuff can be worked out..

 

I agree, those arguments don't really make any sense. Couldn't we just take away one non-conference game and replace it with a playoff game?

[Trojan35 0]

I know it's likely USC will jump Michigan for right to play OSU, but I just don't follow the logic.

 

1. Both teams have one loss:

- but, USC's is to a nonranked team (Oregon St.).

- and, Michigan's is to #1 team in the country (for entire season)

 

2. Big 10 is stronger conference than Pac-10

 

3. Against common opponent (Notre Dame):

- USC wins 44-24 AT HOME,

- and Michigan wins 47-21 AT NOTRE DAME

 

Someone explain

 

 

Because frankly, Team A beats Team B and Team B Beats Team C does not equal Team A better than Team C. If you play the "who beat who by how much" game there is no right answer.

 

The answer is that, barring a playoff, people and computers put in the two teams they think are most deserving to play for a national championship. USC gets the nod over Michigan for many reasons:

 

1) USC had a tougher non-conference schedule consisting of real teams... Arkansas, Nebraska, Notre Dame.

2) Michigan had a laugher non-conference schedule of .... Vanderbilt, Central Michigan, and Notre Dame.

3) USC is the only team to have wins over 4 of the BCS's top 25 teams - Michigan beat ND and Wisconsin... and wisconsin's big non-conference schedule was bowling green, western illinois, and san diego state.

4) Michigan lost later in the year than USC... in fact, putting a team in the BCS championship following a loss would be a USC-Oklahoma type disaster.

5) USC beat Notre Dame at their best (after a winning streak)... Michigan beat them early in the year.

6) Michigan couldn't win their conference.

7) USC won their conference.

8) Michigan had its shot at OSU and lost, USC hasn't yet.

 

If USC beats UCLA, it's an obvious choice over Michigan, despite Michigan being a very good team.... I know I have the obvious USC bias, but I'm happy voters are rewarding scheduling real teams for non-conference play. You schedule Western Carolina and Central Michigan... you sit home on Jan 8 over the team that schedules Arkansas and Nebraska. Yeah that's right, USC scheduled the top independent (ND), and two teams playing for conference titles next week (N, Ark).