The Bush Legacy: Failure

[MDC 7,955]

Hindsight. It is what it is.

 

Opinions, we all gots em.

 

Sure seems like some people root for future blunders with this administration. Something bad happens, some people will discuss that, and only that. Something good happens, we don't hear a peep from them. IMO, more bad than good has happened, and i know you will agree with that, and I think we can agree with the state of the media, we see alot more bad than good. Some people have hard ons' for the bad stuff.

 

 

It is not hindsight - the problems in Iraq were predicted by Bush's own people. He was told that the evidence Saddam had a WMD program was faulty, invading Iraq would lead to sectarian warfare, and it would take many more troops to secure the country. Either he didn't believe them or thought it would be easier to sell the war on the cheap. Calling it "hindsight" is revisionist history.

 

The rest of your post is the kind of typical cheap dodge I expect from "conservatives" these days.

[Uh-huh 0]

Here's a partial list of time-honored right-winger debate tactics:

• When confronted with facts, play the strawman game.
  
• Claim your opponent said something ludicrous, then attack it. Incessantly. Even if it's not true.
  
• When all else fails, change the subject. Or blame it on one of the Clintons (either one will do).
  

[Guest Davaco]

Agreed. But really, all these things you mention, you really feel all of them were GB's fault huh? His and his alone? There was no line of order or anything?

 

making FEMA part of homeland security IS the problem, IMO. and that was done by him after 9-11, correct?

 

he could of mentioned the gulf coast in his most recent state of the union address too. out of sight, out of mind I guess

[Toro 3]

Here's a partial list of MY debate tactics:

• When confronted with facts, play the strawman game.
  
• Claim your opponent said something ludicrous, then attack it. Incessantly. Even if it's not true.
  
• When all else fails, change the subject. Or blame it on one of the Clintons (either one will do).
  

[mayhem39 3]

I work for a living azzhole. I havent heard Rush in like 10 years. Its one of those things that happens when you , ya know, have a job. I am however flattered that becasue of what I write here you think its a carbon copy of Rush, one of the, if not THEE most listened too/successful people on the radio. Whille you still make cheeseburger jokes. I know, you are poor, and probably hungry so that CBurger keeps poppin into your head. Well you know what, maybe if you would put down the hippie pipe and sacrificed a bit whey you were younger you wouldnt be living off of payday loans at 50% interest. Clown. We do reap what we sew, dont we.

 

 

Is your job posting on a FF website?

[Celticspride 0]

I hate to say it, but I have to agree with you. I voted Bush in '00 and '04, and probably still would if he were running against Gore and Kerry once again, but I had higher hopes for him. In retrospect, his father was a much better President. Actually, his father wasn't that bad of a President. He got scapegoated for the economy failing, which wasn't his fault, and than he paid dearly for his "No new taxes" pledge, eventhough raising taxes in that instance was probably the best thing for the country.

[TD Ryan2 316]

People like that jackass want to revise history and make this a failure of will rather than put the blame where it belongs, on faulty strategies, crappy planning, and misplaced priorities at the highest levels.

 

perfectly stated.

 

BoZo continually tells us how hard he works, how nothing's been handed to him, and how we just aren't man enough or tough enough to stick it out and win this war.

 

this ain't about being tough or willful BoZo, it's about being smart and strategic.

 

the tough guy mentality in you should to understand that you either got it done or you didn't. It's the way I have to operate in my professional life every day; it's the way I have to be accountable every day.

 

Our government, our President simply did NOT get it done.

you can list all the reasons you want, but I really don't care... results oriented my man, there's no excuses, freebee's or handouts here.

Recover and Destroy WMD's - nope

Capture OBL and Destroy Al Qaeda - nope

Stay within the budget allotted to accomplish all of these things - nope (not even close)

 

the only thing you did was get the extra-credit part right (topple Saddam). You blew the budget. Missed all the primary goals on only came up with the extra credit piece? And even in obtaining the extra credit, you've created a massive project that we were not prepared for and we have to address immediately

[Boz/BoFan 0]

perfectly stated.

 

BoZo continually tells us how hard he works, how nothing's been handed to him, and how we just aren't man enough or tough enough to stick it out and win this war.

 

this ain't about being tough or willful BoZo, it's about being smart and strategic.

 

the tough guy mentality in you should to understand that you either got it done or you didn't. It's the way I have to operate in my professional life every day; it's the way I have to be accountable every day.

 

Our government, our President simply did NOT get it done.

you can list all the reasons you want, but I really don't care... results oriented my man, there's no excuses, freebee's or handouts here.

Recover and Destroy WMD's - nope

Capture OBL and Destroy Al Qaeda - nope

Stay within the budget allotted to accomplish all of these things - nope (not even close)

 

the only thing you did was get the extra-credit part right (topple Saddam). You blew the budget. Missed all the primary goals on only came up with the extra credit piece? And even in obtaining the extra credit, you've created a massive project that we were not prepared for and we have to address immediately

 

 

 

Because I work, and recommend it to those trying to find their way, Im a fockin tough guy? The bar truly has been lowered in this country. IF everything is sooo horrible, if nothing has been done correct at all, not goals met, notthing positive at all...........then why dont those who oppose Bush, the Dems in power cut all funding and stop this war right now and bring our boys home? Can you answer that without being blinded by your own personal agenda......tough guy.

[Voltaire 5,502]

Because I work, and recommend it to those trying to find their way, Im a fockin tough guy? The bar truly has been lowered in this country. IF everything is sooo horrible, if nothing has been done correct at all, not goals met, notthing positive at all...........then why dont those who oppose Bush, the Dems in power cut all funding and stop this war right now and bring our boys home? Can you answer that without being blinded by your own personal agenda......tough guy.

 

Ther'ell be money. But every time I think about how the war supporters have to now go through Jack Murtha's committee to get their money, it puts a big smile on my face.

 

What's increasingly apparent is the money will come with strings all over it, the more the better IMO, that ties the Bushtard in knots if he accepts it. If the Bushtard doesn't want the money, simple- veto the legislation- the best outcome of all. Then he gets nothing. But if he does sign his name and take the money, Murtha will have him by the balls, the Dem restraints on the president should effectivly force him to withdraw soon.

 

Congress is going to use whatever tactics necessary to end this war. The war is extremely unpopular and opponents have all the momentum and popular support now to end it.

[Franknbeans 46]

sad but true

[Boz/BoFan 0]

Ther'ell be money. But every time I think about how the war supporters have to now go through Jack Murtha's committee to get their money, it puts a big smile on my face.

 

What's increasingly apparent is the money will come with strings all over it, the more the better IMO, that ties the Bushtard in knots if he accepts it. If the Bushtard doesn't want the money, simple- veto the legislation- the best outcome of all. Then he gets nothing. But if he does sign his name and take the money, Murtha will have him by the balls, the Dem restraints on the president should effectivly force him to withdraw soon.

 

Congress is going to use whatever tactics necessary to end this war. The war is extremely unpopular and opponents have all the momentum and popular support now to end it.

 

Its tough to blame him or the Dems for pulling this, its politics as usual, but at what cost? When do you draw the line and do whats best for our country instead of nickel and dimeing/extorting our president during a war? Leaving now would almost guarantee that Iran gets Iraq...do we really want that?

[Peens 0]

Its tough to blame him or the Dems for pulling this, its politics as usual, but at what cost? When do you draw the line and do whats best for our country instead of nickel and dimeing/extorting our president during a war? Leaving now would almost guarantee that Iran gets Iraq...do we really want that?

 

Dems dont care what happens as long as they gain control over the country. They arent interested in actually trying to better the country or world, they just want the power. Playing and winning"Politics" is the goal here. HTH

[Voltaire 5,502]

Its tough to blame him or the Dems for pulling this, its politics as usual, but at what cost? When do you draw the line and do whats best for our country instead of nickel and dimeing/extorting our president during a war? Leaving now would almost guarantee that Iran gets Iraq...do we really want that?

 

Why not let Iran try? What's the worst that can happen? They'll try to kill all the Sunnis, the Sunnis will try to kill them. The Saudis and Syria will jump in. Those dumb fockers all killing each other, is that really so bad?

 

I honestly suspect the Iranians/Syrians/Saudis/whothefockever will have as much success running the place as we did. Only it'll be their troops and their taxpayers footing the bill.

 

We'd just have to sit back and watch, a few years from now congratulate the winner and buy oil from them.

 

:popcorn:

[Boz/BoFan 0]

Why not let Iran try? What's the worst that can happen? They'll try to kill all the Sunnis, the Sunnis will try to kill them. The Saudis and Syria will jump in. Those dumb fockers all killing each other, is that really so bad?

 

I honestly suspect the Iranians/Syrians/Saudis/whothefockever will have as much success running the place as we did. Only it'll be their troops and their taxpayers footing the bill.

 

We'd just have to sit back and watch, a few years from now congratulate the winner and buy oil from them.

 

:popcorn:

 

Wow. So you are for the growth of the Iranian government. The government that is supplying insurgents with weapons 5x more powerful than the home brewed IED's, under the rule of a maniac who has openly stated his desire to erase Israel while desperately trying to acquire nuclear weapons, begins EVERY public speaking engagement with a 5 minute crowd cheer or "Death to America", a govt of people who intend to murder us all because we do not submit to Allah as interpreted by the Iranian mullahs, a govt in the midst of the most barbaric regime since 600ad Persia, a phenomenal history of terrorist incubation and facilitation and so on and so on.

 

So you want the expansion of this government? I now know why you are against this war. In the midst of a war in which we have lost thousands of soldiers and an attack in which we've lost thousands of Americans, you may somehow still convince yourself that these people are just saber rattling, I tend to take them at their word.

[Voltaire 5,502]

Wow. So you are for the growth of the Iranian government.

 

Not really, but it's going to happen no matter what because we already lost. Besides, I think the proper sentiment is I don't focking care and I don't give a rat's ass. All I care about is our troops, our taxpayers, and our nation's reputation.

 

Iraq is no prize, it'd be just as much a focking endless headache for Iran as it is for us. The reality is that even if the US withdraws, the Sunnis are still going to be there fighting full out to kick the Iranians out. They're sure to give Iran as much fits as they give us. It'd be a big diversion and drain on their resources instead of ours. Plus the Iraqi Shiites aren't puppets. Sadr certainly isn't. They'll have their own agenda, I'm pretty sure they don't want to be controlled by Iran either. We did the Iraqi Shiites one big favor by sacking Saddam and we'll do them another favor by allowing them to stomp the Sunnis.

 

Also, Al Qaeda is Sunnis and Iran and other Shiites hate them as much as we do. That's one reason why Iran had been helpful (at first) to the US effort in Afghanistan. The major threat to the US has been Sunni terrorists not Shiite ones anyways.

 

Actually, talking with Iran can help things too. We conducted Iran's foreign policy for them on our own dime for free. We've taken outtwo huge enemies of theirs by sacking the Taliban and then sacking Saddam and installed a Shiite Iraqi government. Further, we've done such a sh*t job in Iraq that they'll just take over regardless one way or the other. There's a lot of pressure over there to make amends with the US. Iran is the closest the Middle East has to a democracy and they have more human rights than the other majore players.

 

The thing to do is just disengage and let the place fall apart, if they get tired of fighting in a few years let the UN in or somefockingbody else. There's nothing the US can accomplish there anyways.

 

The best thing, the very very best thing is to establish energy independence and get off our addiction to oil so we don't have to deal with any of these a$$holes ever. If the price of oil falls to nothing, we can stick a pitchfork in those devils for good.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

The best thing, the very very best thing is to establish energy independence and get off our addiction to oil so we don't have to deal with any of these a$$holes ever. If the price of oil falls to nothing, we can stick a pitchfork in those devils for good.

 

 

I agree 100%