I think I may be backing Ron Paul......

[Boz/BoFan 0]

I initially couldnt get past his intimation that we were somehow responsible for 9/11 but Ill give him JUST that one slip up. Have any of you found yourself gravitating towards RP lately?

[itsjjw 1]

He actually makes a lot of sense.

 

My only problem is that he is against universal health care, which I am for. I guess if they could shift that to the states and have each state do their own, I could live with that.

[edjr 7,004]

I never really liked any candidates and I focking hate politics thanks to living in Massachusetts and george bush being president.

 

That being said. I saw Ron Paul on Bill Maher and the guy was amazing. I'm a big fan of Bill Maher and I agree with a lot of his views. Him liking Ron Paul made me pay attention and I agree with 95% of what he says.

[itsjjw 1]

I never really liked any candidates and I focking hate politics thanks to living in Massachusetts and george bush being president.

 

That being said. I saw Ron Paul on Bill Maher and the guy was amazing. I'm a big fan of Bill Maher and I agree with a lot of his views. Him liking Ron Paul made me pay attention and I agree with 95% of what he says.

 

That must have been weird, Mahar is such a liberal.

[itsjjw 1]

But I'm still voting for Hillary.

[edjr 7,004]

That must have been weird, Mahar is such a liberal.

 

That's a misconception i think.

 

Maher isn't a liberal really IMHO. he leans to the left, but I don't think he's liberal. He like I, just focking hate George W. Bush.

 

I hate Liberals just as much as I hate George W. Bush.

[Me_2006 14]

But I'm still voting for Hillary.

 

Why don't you like America?

[edjr 7,004]

But I'm still voting for Hillary.

 

On this very site, in 2004 I said Hillary was going to be the next president after GWB and people laughed at me.

[Boz/BoFan 0]

That's a misconception i think.

 

Maher isn't a liberal really IMHO. he leans to the left, but I don't think he's liberal. He like I, just focking hate George W. Bush.

 

I hate Liberals just as much as I hate George W. Bush.

 

He's a power lib, but he is correct on a few issues, the following is not one of them. The other night he honestly tried to downplay illegal immigration as if it were something completely concocted by a right wing think tank and that it should have ZERO bearing on the 08 election. For someone who's entire show is hinged on current events he constantly shows an absurd level of hollywood detachment from the rest of America. The War and Illegal immigration will be the top 2 issues for voters, period. Not the only two, but the top two.

[wiffleball 4,797]

"And, in a stunning blow to the Ron Paul campaign..."

[Me_2006 14]

He's a power lib, but he is correct on a few issues, the following is not one of them. The other night he honestly tried to downplay illegal immigration as if it were something completely concocted by a right wing think tank and that it should have ZERO bearing on the 08 election. For someone who's entire show is hinged on current events he constantly shows an absurd level of hollywood detachment from the rest of America. The War and Illegal immigration will be the top 2 issues for voters, period. Not the only two, but the top two.

I gotta think the health care thing will likely play a bigger role than immigration. Just my opinion, but it's a much bigger deal to me.

[edjr 7,004]

He's a power lib, but he is correct on a few issues, the following is not one of them. The other night he honestly tried to downplay illegal immigration as if it were something completely concocted by a right wing think tank and that it should have ZERO bearing on the 08 election. For someone who's entire show is hinged on current events he constantly shows an absurd level of hollywood detachment from the rest of America. The War and Illegal immigration will be the top 2 issues for voters, period. Not the only two, but the top two.

 

There are so many issues, it's really impossible for 2 people to agree on everything. I dropped HBO because it's a ripff, so I haven't seen the show in months

[itsjjw 1]

He's a power lib, but he is correct on a few issues, the following is not one of them. The other night he honestly tried to downplay illegal immigration as if it were something completely concocted by a right wing think tank and that it should have ZERO bearing on the 08 election. For someone who's entire show is hinged on current events he constantly shows an absurd level of hollywood detachment from the rest of America. The War and Illegal immigration will be the top 2 issues for voters, period. Not the only two, but the top two.

You don't think it will be the economy?

[itsjjw 1]

I gotta think the health care thing will likely play a bigger role than immigration. Just my opinion, but it's a much bigger deal to me.

When Hillary gets the nomination, health care will be the only thing people are going to talk about.

[itsjjw 1]

Why don't you like America?

Hillary would be the best president that this country ever had.

[wiffleball 4,797]

When Hillary gets the nomination, health care will be the only thing people are going to talk about.

 

Unpossible. She murders two people with her own hands. She's a full-on Lesbian who backs the Terrorists -

 

-and all people can talk about is health care.

[hellothere 1]

while some of his ideas are at least interesting, i personally have a hard time even looking into him seriously as a lot of his fans (BLS on this bored for example, and others RL) seem to be completely raving loons. they come so hard and over the top about him, it makes you brush him aside as if he fans are this "nuts" what must he be? i wonder if his fans realize a lot of them are actually detracting from him. you can be for a canidate, or really behind him...but blasting rhetoric 24/7 and screaming down anyone that disagrees is not a good way to win support imo.

[gocolts 300]

Hillary would be the best president that this country ever had.

[wiffleball 4,797]

...but blasting rhetoric 24/7 and screaming down anyone that disagrees is not a good way to win support imo.

 

It's worked for the last two Presidential Elections.

[itsbigmoni 1]

You never know what the issue is gonna be with the puppet master republicans. They took a complete non-issue, gay marriage, made it a HUGE point leading up to the elections, then forgot about it.

 

I think republicans will make immigration an issue and they'll come off has the party with the hard line against immigration, even though Bush hasn't done anything. In fact, he let that whole trucking thing pass no problem. I don't think immigration is as much of a problem as some make it out to be (immigrants cost us 10 trillion dollars a day!!!! exagerration i know), but we should have stricter policies regarding illegal immigration. Its just way too easy for immigrants to come over here illegally. I don't get why people are against a wall. Its a border.

 

Health care is another come and go issue i think. Between 2008-12, i don't think we'll see any major change made to health care, regardless of who wins. Its a great talking point though.

 

Reading a few different message boards, it seems like most people consider Ron Paul some wacko 9-11 conspiracist who only has white supremists as supporters. I don't get why he gets that label (well, the 9-11 thing i get). He's one politician who votes the way he says he would. I don't think you could find a single contradiction.

 

I feel like since most of the candidates this year are fairly bad, i'd wanna go with the one who wants to scale back government. You know, give them less of a chance to fock sh1t up.

[gocolts 300]

I initially couldnt get past his intimation that we were somehow responsible for 9/11 but Ill give him JUST that one slip up. Have any of you found yourself gravitating towards RP lately?

I am too. I loath Rudi. No way I want that MF'er in there. If I HAD to chose right now, It would be Ron Paul.

[Me_2006 14]

while some of his ideas are at least interesting, i personally have a hard time even looking into him seriously as a lot of his fans (BLS on this bored for example, and others RL) seem to be completely raving loons. they come so hard and over the top about him, it makes you brush him aside as if he fans are this "nuts" what must he be? i wonder if his fans realize a lot of them are actually detracting from him. you can be for a canidate, or really behind him...but blasting rhetoric 24/7 and screaming down anyone that disagrees is not a good way to win support imo.

They've always been really knowledgable and respectful to me about the whole Ron Paul thing. That's actually what caused me to take a closer look. They do push it a bit hard at times with all the threads and stuff, but half the talk on this bored is political and at least they bring facts and insight instead of a name calling alias.

[Birdseed 1]

On this very site, in 2004 I said Hillary was going to be the next president after GWB and people laughed at me.

 

[gocolts 300]

He actually makes a lot of sense.

 

My only problem is that he is against universal health care, which I am for. I guess if they could shift that to the states and have each state do their own, I could live with that.

Have you really thought this through???

 

If you take the profit out of health care, the best and brightest won't become doctors because there would be no money in it. That would be really bad.

 

Plus, why do so many people from other countries come to the US for health care when they have FREE health care in their home countries????

 

Because it is the best you can get.

[edjr 7,004]

 

 

[wiffleball 4,797]

Have you really thought this through???

 

If you take the profit out of health care, the best and brightest won't become doctors because there would be no money in it. That would be really bad.

 

Plus, why do so many people from other countries come to the US for health care when they have FREE health care in their home countries????

 

Because it is the best you can get.

 

You and I've been down this path before. Idiots whine and cry about "Socialized Medicine", but that's not what it's about at all. And nobody worth two shiits is talking about taking the profit out of health care. Do you ever hear anybody whining about "Socialized Military?" Dunno how many times we have to go through this: The Fed Government makes companies richer than they'd ever be without it. Many of the major American companies today - From car companies to candy makers - ARE major companies today because the Fed Gov was the biggest customer by a longshot.

 

Again: HMO #1: 300,000 customers charging 12,000 annually in premiums and setting the average price for services at a 50% profit margin for Drs. and hospitals.

 

Gubmint steps in. Pools 3 MILLION customers charging each $500 annually in premiums each - and setting the average price for services at a 25% profit margin - but guaranteeing 3 Million customers.

 

If you're a major health care provider, which one are you going to choose?

 

For the same reason big companies can offer lower health care premiums lower than small companies, so can the Fed - Pooling. Size matters. Business 101.

[KSB2424 3,174]

You and I've been down this path before. Idiots whine and cry about "Socialized Medicine", but that's not what it's about at all. And nobody worth two shiits is talking about taking the profit out of health care. Do you ever hear anybody whining about "Socialized Military?" Dunno how many times we have to go through this: The Fed Government makes companies richer than they'd ever be without it. Many of the major American companies today - From car companies to candy makers - ARE major companies today because the Fed Gov was the biggest customer by a longshot.

 

Again: HMO #1: 300,000 customers charging 12,000 annually in premiums and setting the average price for services at a 50% profit margin for Drs. and hospitals.

 

Gubmint steps in. Pools 3 MILLION customers charging each $500 annually in premiums each - and setting the average price for services at a 25% profit margin - but guaranteeing 3 Million customers.

 

If you're a major health care provider, which one are you going to choose?

 

For the same reason big companies can offer lower health care premiums lower than small companies, so can the Fed - Pooling. Size matters. Business 101.

The one part of this that you forget to mention is how the gov't will manage it. They focking screw up everything they touch from SS, to the deficit, to the war. What in the wild wild world of sports makes you think they can handle this?

[congressmanreality 1]

I initially couldnt get past his intimation that we were somehow responsible for 9/11 but Ill give him JUST that one slip up. Have any of you found yourself gravitating towards RP lately?

 

I've been on board from the beginning. The guy is alone amongst the field of contenders in being someone that does what he says. No flip-flopping, no pandering, and remarkably consistent. All because he has a simple philosophy that the bigger the government is, the worse it is for the people. And he uses the Constitution as the basis for this belief.

[wiffleball 4,797]

The one part of this that you forget to mention is how the gov't will manage it. They focking screw up everything they touch from SS, to the deficit, to the war. What in the wild wild world of sports makes you think they can handle this?

 

That's definitely a valid concern. - And an unknown. But despite the horror stories you hear, the Fed Gov handles tens of millions of individual transactions every month. Of course, you only hear about the screw ups - just like any other bureacratic company. But, it's something to watch. What I'm addressing is more the knee-jerk bumper sticker mentality that you hear voiced so often: "they're taking out the profit!" "the health care will suck!" "it's socialized! We'd be Commies!"

 

The reality is, the Gov would have no more to do with health care than they do with say, if Verizon Wireless is the contractor of choice for the Government. Has that impacted the quality of your Verizon service? Is government cell phone service different than ours? No, but they get cheaper rates because they guarantee more customers. Their role would be to pool the customers and the funds (like Federal Employees). It'd likely be the same doctors and hospitals as before. Again, if you're the best hospital chain in America, are YOU going to be willing to cut your profit margin but see your customer base go up by say, a thousand-fold? Just basic business there.

[itsbigmoni 1]

Also, there are lots of people going out of this country for major surgeries. My mom is gonna have her lasik done in India. A family friend got busted up pretty bad in a drunken accident and had to do the whole learning how to walk, talk, speak thing. He went to singapore for about a year and a half.

 

People are going to Canada for medicine.

 

I really don't hear much about people coming here for services. I know i know, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. But i would be shocked to find out more people come here for health services, than americans going elsewhere for services.

[gocolts 300]

Again, if you're the best hospital chain in America, are YOU going to be willing to cut your profit margin but see your customer base go up by say, a thousand-fold? Just basic business there.

 

WTF??? Just basic business???

 

Who in the fock wants to work twice as hard for less money???

[wiffleball 4,797]

Also, there are lots of people going out of this country for major surgeries. My mom is gonna have her lasik done in India. A family friend got busted up pretty bad in a drunken accident and had to do the whole learning how to walk, talk, speak thing. He went to singapore for about a year and a half.

 

People are going to Canada for medicine.

 

I really don't hear much about people coming here for services. I know i know, that doesn't mean it doesn't happen. But i would be shocked to find out more people come here for health services, than americans going elsewhere for services.

 

It's kind of an apples and oranges thing:

 

1) People leave here mostly for cost. - Especially long term physical therapy type of stuff. Lots of procedures and therapies are fairly fungible; It doesn't matter who does it or where.

 

2) People that come here are largely non cost averse. Or in short, Millionaires. Houston has played host to all kinds of Middle East fockers who rent out entire hospital floors. The U.S. is on the bleeding edge of "Luxury Health Care". Sure you COULD get your gall bladder removed as an outpatient in Oman, but wouldn't you rather have a personal chef, masseuse, and piss-boy at your beck and call? - In those cases, it's less about the health care and more about the ambience.

[p.man 7]

I'm not into Politics so please bare with me.

 

I've heard that there are Republicans who do not like what Ron Paul wants to do as President.

If so, than there is the chance that he doesn't get the nomination needed to even run for President.

 

Is this true?

There could be a chance that Ron Paul doesn't even make it as a Presidential Candidate because both major political parties in the United States select their presidential candidates through a process of primary elections.

Which also means that voters do not directly select presidential nominees.

 

[wiffleball 4,797]

WTF??? Just basic business???

 

Who in the fock wants to work twice as hard for less money???

 

Look, I'm trying to be civl, and I hope to Gawd you're joking, but you honestly can't be this stupid can you? This is the 2nd time I've run this out for you and it's getting tiresome.

 

 

Who the fock said less money?

 

3 Million customers x $500 a procedure = 1.5 BILLION

 

or

 

300,000 @ 1,000 = 300 Million

 

- Which would you want?

 

Again, pretty basic, no?

[wiffleball 4,797]

I'm not into Politics so please bare with me.

 

I've heard that there are Republicans who do not like what Ron Paul wants to do as President.

If so, than there is the chance that he doesn't get the nomination needed to even run for President.

 

Is this true?

There could be a chance that Ron Paul doesn't even make it as a Presidential Candidate because both major political parties in the United States select their presidential candidates through a process of primary elections.

Which also means that voters do not directly select presidential nominees.

 

 

 

Ron Paul won't get the nod as a Republican for one simple reason;

 

He doesn't believe that Radical Fundamentalist Religion Fringe elements should drive the political process.

 

Thanks to Jerry Falwell and Newt Gingrinch, that kind of thinking is anathema to the so-called Republican Party.

 

He's got a shot as an independent though. He may be smarter than we think; As an independent, he wouldn't get to participate in any of the debates or be taken seriously at all. Now, he gets a chance to win over a lot of hearts, minds and dollars - THEN run as an independent after he doesn't get the nod.

[p.man 7]

Ok thanks.

 

That sounds about right to me.

[EAwer 1]

to the OP: welcome to the side of liberty, my friend.

 

As for universal health care, I am soooooo against it. i mean what makes you think the federal gov't can provide equal and efficient health care for every american? perhaps their excellence in equal and succesful public education, or their great response to natural disasters through FEMA...

 

Also, how is it ethical to force me to purchase healthcare for myself, LET ALONE OTHER PEOPLE???!!!

 

Basically if you like small gov't, low taxes, low federal spending, individual liberty, the constitution, ending the war in Iraq and our foreign empire, and thomas jefferson, then ron paul is the presidential candidate for you.

[gocolts 300]

Look, I'm trying to be civl, and I hope to Gawd you're joking, but you honestly can't be this stupid can you? This is the 2nd time I've run this out for you and it's getting tiresome.

Who the fock said less money?

 

3 Million customers x $500 a procedure = 1.5 BILLION

 

or

 

300,000 @ 1,000 = 300 Million

 

- Which would you want?

 

Again, pretty basic, no?

Thanks for helping reinforce my point. It was a greta help.

[p.man 7]

to the OP: welcome to the side of liberty, my friend.

 

Basically if you like small gov't, low taxes, low federal spending, individual liberty, the constitution, ending the war in Iraq and our foreign empire, and thomas jefferson, then ron paul is the presidential candidate for you.

 

 

All of those points sound good to me. What am I missing?

Why wouldn't anyone (Republican) like what he stands for?

 

I guess what Ron Paul wants to do will take money and power away from them.

That has to be it.

[wiffleball 4,797]

As for universal health care, I am soooooo against it. i mean what makes you think the federal gov't can provide equal and efficient health care for every american? perhaps their excellence in equal and succesful public education, or their great response to natural disasters through FEMA...

 

Really uninformed analogies. The difference between your analogies and most intelligent proposals is that you're talking about government employees providing service. - Something they suck at. Whereas, most intelligent proposals don't envision 'federalising' Doctors and Nurses and making them Government employees. They work for the same employers - and the employers make more money by adding otherwise free-loading customers to thier base. Again, go back to the Verizon example. Government has a huge contract with them. Think their phone service is any different than yours? Think your service has suffered? No, if anything, it's gotten better because they have a crapload more money.